2009 MAP UPDATES

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Yeah!!

I just thought that I would leave my 2 cents in on this. I have been reporting the same road for 2 years now and it still has not been added. Navteq, which supplies the mapping to Garmin gave this answer. If it has already been added and verified, then why not release the update. It is not even showing up on their maps.

Dear Map Reporter,

NAVTEQ has responded to your feedback for Map Report number NVTQ000005958745:

Hello.

Your inquiry has been received and investigated

It has again been verified that the US-70 Bypass has recenlty been updated in the NAVTEQ database. Please be advised that the map image present on the NAVTEQ Map Reporter site does not represent the current state of the live NAVTEQ database. This map is from an old version, and it is designed specifically for the required operations on the Map Reporter page.

Please also be aware that NAVTEQ produces the road database only. NAVTEQ then makes navigation data available each year to a wide range of navigation system manufacturers. System updates, as well as the data inclusion on software and the associated pricing, are determined by the manufacturer, since it is at their discretion to purchase and format our releases for their mapping systems. Accordingly, please contact the manufacturer of your navigation system, by web search or phone call, for more detailed information regarding their updates and software packages.

Thank you.

NAVTEQ - Fargo

Thank you again for being a Map Reporter.

Regards,
NAVTEQ Map Reporter Team

I'm thinking of getting a new 360 but does anyone know if Garmin is offering the map updates to discontinued models? It's new and not refurbished. I thought I read a comment on this on the site but cannot find it.

After everything I've read, I'm still going ahead with the complimentary Map Update for my two month old Nuvi. But I doubt that I need quarterly updates.

I purchased the Lifetime updates. It costs almost the same as 2 annual updates, so if I keep my Zumo 550 for another year or so, I'll break even. Why update every year, or every quarter like I get to do now ? I ride my Harley cross country about 15K-25K each year. I want the most up to date Garmin POIs I can get. I'll have a better chance of getting fuel when I need it if my maps are as updated as I can get. Free? You don't get something for nothing in this world. Navteq is a company employing many people attempting to keep up with changes in our world. The company also needs to profit to stay in business. If you can't afford to upgrade, fine. Don't expect free map updates any more than you would expect free meals at a restaurant.

For those interested in the updates, 2009.1 is also called 2009.11. That's going to lead to confusion. It also REQUIRES MapSource 6.15.3 due to a new map data format. 6.15.3 has a few bugs, but no real show stoppers. I've turned in 4 bug reports to Garmin and hopefully they are going to improve it now that someone is working on changes to it.

Make sure you clean up your Zumo/Nuvi before loading 2009.1, as it's larger than the old maps. If you get a message asking which regions you want to load, quit right there (with Task Manager if you must.) Remove more unused stuff and try again. Remove all the TTS voices you don't speak. Send your Tracks to MapSource and clear the track logs. Delete Current.gpx and Temp.gpx. Delete all routes and Waypoints. Delete any supplimental maps you have loaded. (Obviously, delete means backup to your PC before deleting.) Windows Explorer should show 50MB or so free space to fit the whole thing.

And have a few hours to do this update, 3-4 hours to download the 1.91 GB file, 1 hour to update the Maps on your PC and 15 minutes to build and download a map image to your GPS. If you are running Vista, you will want to right-click on the downloaded .exe file and run as administrator.

The 360 shows on the list of models eligible for updates: https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=256&pID=33379#produc...

I too have been sending updates to Navteq. My address is not in their dtatbase, yet it has been in existance since 2004. I get the same canned responce.

I first sent it in when I bought the property in 2004 and it is not yet in the 2009 update... maybe 2025É

what was the cost of the update

I wonder what creiteria they(Garmin) use about updating or correcting the map errors. In this computer age, it can not be that hard. I found Tele Altas map much more accurate at least in my area. Google uses them too. Tele Atlas shows my home at the exact location (verified by TomTom unit and google map) ..... Garmin (navteq) shows about 500 ft off on the wrong side of the street.
Garmin's answer for this was... NavTeq do not geocode every street address and the unit is meant to bring you in the general area.
Don't get me wrong ... I do like my Garmin Nuvi 255W but they should be able to correct some of these little errors when new map comes out. BTW this along with other errors were reported back in November 2008 and it's not on 2009.11 map. But after seeing your post i am not expecting them to correct for at least another 2-3 years.
Thanks.
DL

Again 2009 maps are 2 years old, aging them back to 2007, even with Lifetime Maps your advancing the 2007 maps till April 1st. the you will start advancing the 2008 maps quarterly.

My NAVIGON has Fresh Maps and always has newer maps than my Garmin's do and they all use NAVTEQ maps.

NAVIGON & NAVTEQ are Joined at the hip with software development and ownership, hence newer fresher maps. Garmin buys the maps from Navteq under a contract that doesn't fetch top dollar for NAVTEQ so you get what Garmin Pays for.

Rayvock
I would think your report should be showing up at any time now.

So if I was living in or traveling often in an area that is under development I would buy a NAVIGON. As I don't my two year old maps a fine for me.

Didn't pay much attention at the time but pretty sure I saw 2009 City Navigator® North America NT for about $70 at Walmart yesterday.

Also $60.00 at Fry's Electronics. But remember, these disks are almost "obsolete" as the 2010 should be out in the next three months.

April 1, 2009 I do believe, we will all find out together. keeping the price high rather than blowing out 2009 get people to buy 2010 maps instead.
If not the price would be $50.00 or less by now, but that business and I can understand that.

Sent a note off to Garmin. I bought a 2720 in Oct. and now the "map update is available" message is popping up on the screen.

Here's hoping I'm eligible for a free update.

I would be surprised if you were not elidgible

I just bought the European City map NT 2009 and after spending 1.5 hours loading it, and now the registration web site says an update is available (2009.1). It offers me a choice of download or CD, but wants $129.99. The website shows that I unlocked the map today, so why doesn't Garmin allow you to get a free update if you are within a certain period of time since purchase? I guess another phone call to Garmin and another 2 hours or more for the install (download time). I had the same issue when I purchased the unit 3 weeks ago, the US map loaded in the unit was the 2009 and the 2009.1 was available.

Downloaded mine! Garmin still cannot get its act together on downloads. Took me 3 hours to get them to realize it was my unit and send my $69.00 download. It was a mess. You would think after all these years they would have it right by now.

I have a 780 that I bought for a bday gift (in March). Not activated yet (no sat search, still in original sealed box).

Wonder if it is elegible for the 2010 map free upgrade?

The new 2010 map release is expected around April 2009. They will upgrade for free 60days back from that date. I would wait until sometime in March to take it out of the box and turn it on. That will ensure you get in on the 2010 update.

Thats if the 2010 maps are released in April.

When do they usually release updates? In the April time frame or later in the year?

LOL

Yup. Guaranteed if I open the box now the maps will be June. If I delay they will be April.

Can't win...

Got mine today and its now 2009.11, going thru some addresses some were added others not and it changed some routes for you to take...weird.

Nuvi360

One big challenge is figuring out how long it takes to find new pois, locations and road changes in the maps-- we have had major changes in I 95 through baltimore...when will they show up?

Found out today that the 60 day window is only for maps that are preloaded on the unit. If you by the DVD or SD maps, they are only "current" the first quarter, then you will have to by a new update every quarter if you want the latest maps! I love my nuvi 785T, but Garmin needs a better business model if they want satisfied customers.

The information on the nuMaps guarantee has always clearly stated that "Guarantee applies to a Garmin nüvi or zūmo unit."

You can't update the maps on preloaded Garmin SD cards. You would have to purchase a new card.

It's important to understand that Garmin purchases the map data from Navteq and Navteq charges Garmin for EACH unit to which the maps are unlocked.

So does anyone have any history on when they typically release updates? Is it typically April?

Typically, the new annual map update has been released in the spring. Anytime between March and May in the past.

With the new quarterly updates just starting last month, my guess is that the schedule might be altered to accommodate for this and it's possible that the next map update might not be released until the second quarter this year.

But who knows at this point?

I own 2 Garmin 255 GPS units. My question is can I buy 1 update and use it on both units or must I buy 2 updates?

You must by 2 map updates.

how can i tell if i have the latest map upgrade on my nuvi?

On the unit, go to Settings/Wrench > Map > Map Info

The latest North America City Navigator release is 2009.1.

Thanks MM. Mine says "CN North America NT 2009.11. I assume this is the latest and greatest. I saw somebody post that 2010 maps are coming out soon? Does this sound right? I just got 2009, LOL!

The 2009.11 is the latest map update.

Some FYi insider info. I think you should know as an American consumer.

Select A Case

This person is a party in cases.

2:05-cv-02274-KHV-JPO Mohnssen et al v. Garmin International, Inc. et al filed 06/29/05 closed 10/12/05

2:05-cv-02315-JWL-JPO Echo Flight, Inc. v. Garmin International, Inc. filed 07/22/05 closed 09/14/05

2:08-cv-02086-KHV-JPO Nuvio Corporation v. Garmin International, Inc. et al filed 02/26/08 closed 09/04/08

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OK. I'm a reasonably smart guy but not a lawyer. Someone please explain the relevance this has to me as a consumer.

I live in one of the fastest growing areas in Texas and seldom find an error in the GPS directions with the version I have had on my nuvi 350 for about 3 years. The need for updates seems to be overblown for most travelers especially if you have a paper map for backup as mentioned previously.

IANAL (tm), but I believe it means that prior art invalidates a patent which SPT was using to sue Garmin. To the extent this means that Garmin don't have to pay exorbitant legal fees to defend the case or licence fees for the patent that means they don't have to pass on those costs to their customers. In general terms the sooner Patent Trolls (tm) are put out of business the better for all of us.

As a consumer the above means absolutely zip.

Without looking at the actual cases, my guess is all three were rubbish cases which were thrown out. I say this because all 3 cases were closed within 7 months of being filed.

Edit - a quick google search leads me to the term "patent troll". 'nough said.

I acquired my Garmin 7200 about two weeks ago and went through all the online updates to the unit and MapSource. That included the free update from NT 2009 to NT 2009.1. And I've found that there is a LOT of data that was in 2009 that is missing in 2009.1. Since 2009 remained on my computer and can be selected on the screen this shows the difference. For those of you with the same configuration open map source and zoom to lets say Washington State for example. Look at the small black dots that are small towns. Now switch to the other file and watch the difference on the screen.

I'm surprised that you updated only 2 weeks ago and you have 2009.1. I updated yesterday and the version is 2009.11. I would think the version numbering would go 2009.1, 2009.2, etc. Anyone know?

From what I've seen the first digit after the decimal is the quarterly release number and the second digit is the revision number to the quarterly release.

So the map update in July/August should be numbered 2009.3 (third quarter). If they issue an update to that release, it would be numbered 2009.31.

It actually is 209.11. But again, does anyone have any explanation as to whey we have lost a whole lot of information, like small towns, in this so called 'update'?

I've got the 2009.11 d/load but haven't actually installed it yet. I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that whole towns have disappeared off the map? That sounds very strange. Can you quote specific towns that have disappeared?

I just noticed on Garmin's web site that they are now offering something called nuMaps Lifetime. You can pay a one time fee of $119.00 and then you can download map updates four times for the life of your unit. Sounds too good to be true, and you know what they say about that. Anyone have any comments about this?

There are multiple threads on this. Search for "nuMaps Lifetime".

Before PC HDD was replaced, I had Map Source installed with the Map Update 2009 City Navigator North America NT. With the new HDD, I need to re-install it and I'm having trouble. First, it is asking for a Product Key. The only thing I seem to have is the S/N on the back of the DVD case and that isn't working for the Product Key (S/N is ~2 digits longer than the Product Key).

Any idea on how to re-install the map to get Map Source to work?

Update: Never mind for now. I did some more search on the site here and found my Product Key from Garmin in an email. Unfortunately, the c580 is being updated again but it already had this map installed. Will I lose my Favorites? If yes, what file do I need to restore from my backup?

Update2: All resolved. After map update, all Favorites and custom POIs are still loaded. Map Source is now again installed on my PC so I'm a happy camper.

Tim

ordering mine today for Magellan 4040

I think the nuvi updates are 4 times a year, not 4 times lifetime.