Windows 10

It is the same company regardless of which version of Windows you use. Either trust Microsoft or start moving on to some distribution of Linux. As long as you are getting updates, M$ has you.

I have always preferred to build expertise with what I will be using in the future, but I do understand that some have an absolute need for stability. Fear and conservatism do have their place.

Hardware has become very inexpensive over the years. Redundancy, and parallel systems are affordable.

I use OS X 10.10.5, 10.7.5, and 10.5.8 and I have been developing my multi-boot capabilities after several years of Virtual Box explorations. I would use Windows 10 if it were really free, but for now there are too many other truly free choices to explore.

"Blah, blah, blah", said the old man...

I upgraded two of my machines the other day without incident. A third reported a compatibility problem due to an nVidia driver, so I'll leave it on WIN7. My laptop runs WIN7 and will most likely stay that way. WIN10 doesn't have Media Center, which I depend on while RVing. Using a WIN TV stick, it turns my laptop into a very nice DVR.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-is-allowing...

Microsoft reserves the right to check your system for “playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices.”

I read that days ago and there was really nothing factual to comprehend and was just a bunch of conjecture and speculation that the system was rushed out before it was ready and was not based on any actual facts.

That was written before Windows 10 was even released and was based on his assumptions and guesses and not actually based on the software that was released the following day. No facts in the article just speculation based on his predetermined assumptions as to what things he assumes will be the problems.

I have been running windows for nearly 30 years and have used every version since windows 1 in my personal and business computers with the exception of windows 8 and windows 10 is without a doubt the most trouble free and finished version at release to date.

I think win 10 runs good and I'm having no problems with it running the only thing I don't like is all the call home location tracking info built in just makes it easier for hackers to get at your info , I understand gathering info helps MS get info that your looking for to you faster, its their sharing with some of their partners I don't care for ! so for now ive turned off some of their tracking and info gathering that I dont believe they need I know I didn't turn it all off but I might have made it harder for the hackers to get info from me.

[quote=geo334 but I might have made it harder for the hackers to get info from me.

Some good info that was not written before the windows 10 was even released on some not true and overblown rumors about windows 10 being spread around the net and in this thread.

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2975004/microsoft-windo...

Thanks. That's the first article I've seen that has identified a workaround for mandatory automatic updates for Windows 10 Home users. (The Pro point is not new and is a canard, as most of us are Home, not Pro, users.) And as long as the Win10 Home automatic upgrade workaround holds, and Microsoft doesn't close the loophole (which they could do... uh... in an update /heh), it's a workaround that should be employed by anyone who moved past allowing Windows 7 or 8 to install any update Microsoft put out there without waiting a week or two and checking it out first, like me.

Why wait? Why say no to some updates? Because there have been some bad Windows 7 and 8 updates, particularly driver updates (older drivers, for example, than a newer driver a user had already installed from the manufacturer of a video card--Microsoft had in at least some cases, reinstalled the old one into Win7 or Win8 when allowed automatically) and some optional and non-security updates that have crashed and locked some devices.

I can live with Microsoft decreeing that the security updates can't be deferred for Home users; the herd-immunity reason for that is sound, and security updates generally have not been as common a cause of stability problems with Windows 7 and 8.

I do have some issues with his analysis of the privacy issue. Yes, *much* of the sharing can be turned off, and that's not new info, but most users won't bother... you know it and I know it... and it seems unlikely it can *all* be turned off. The jury is out on that one. IMO it's just a matter of time before this and automatic updates blow up in some Win10 users' faces. Actually there already have been a couple of Win10 updates that have caused serious problems for a few users. It is true, most upgraders have had no issues and are glad they upgraded; complaints have been few. But it's early.

Windows 10 is now installed on 75 million PCs after just four weeks . http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/windows-10-is-now-i... .A lot of downloads.

It worked great on Outlook. I could not get it to stay where I put it.

MikeG1 thank you for that info, little hints that make computing life a little easier .

Works great on an older touch screen computer. Minimal resources being used.

This is Microsoft. That means I will wait at least 6 months before doing any upgrade.

It works great.

Just received my new build on my preview PC.
I thought the graphic card was working ok but after testing a more involved game I see the mouse lags and sometimes overshoots the target.

I research my graphic driver and find out that there are no more drivers for it since 2013.

Microsoft is making drivers for the older ones and has sent me one but it is the one I received the other day and thought it was good.
It is the one that lags.

I guess I will buy a new graphics card. I have replaced hard drives but never a graphic card. I don't know what to look for. My current card is an ATI Radeon HD 3600.

Any suggestions?

Also, how do I make sure it is compatable with my system?

Thanks, Mary

Guess we will need to keep on top of the user experience. I just learned that there will be no Service Pack Releases for Win 10 only periodic updates.

I've received 15 updates in the last 27 days. 5 updates were cumulative. Updates are downloaded automatically and I've set the system to notify me when a restart is required.

Update process seems to be working fine except there's not much mention of what is getting changed.

try newegg.com for graphics cards the prices are pretty good and they give you user ratings and spec's and their return policy is good I buy a lot of computer stuff from them

I have an ATI Radeon HD 6450 in this 2007 Dell. After updating the drivers to the latest (amd-catalyst-15.7.1-with-dotnet45-win7-64bit), it was fine.

It's an inexpensive 1 gigabyte card, and has HDMI output and sound.

FALSE. I did mine about a month ago.I have been installing windows since 1995. I usually try to do a clean install but it is a upgrade. So I let her do her thing. It was as smooth butter. Way better than Win 8 and it just feels natural, for windows users.

I will look at that. Thanks.

Will all graphic cards work with any computer?
Thanks

Thanks

Well, depending on the age of your computer, most support PCI Express cards.

Give us the details on what it is, eg. make and model.

Link saved for when I get around to installing 10. I have a 7 pro laptop and a 7 home desktop.

I just upgraded to W10 from W7 and it went super easy. Kept everything I had and so far everything just works like it did before.

If my experience is of any indication, this is the most seamless and easy Windows update yet to date.

I have a Win 8.1 tablet and I'm worried that upgrading to Win 10 will use too much resources on it... Has anyone heard/experienced anything on a tablet running a fast Atom processor?

I chose to do a "clean" update from Win 7 to Win 10. Completely backed up all my data, formatted HD and installed Win 10.

Seems to be running just fine.

I'm enjoying my Win10 experience on my laptop. 7 was a great OS but 10 seems to be nice as well so far. No issues.

Been using Win 10 now for a few weeks and I am really starting to like it much better than 8.1. So far, other than some issues using Firefox it has gone smoothly for me. I switched to Chrome and actually like that as much or more than Firefox so I will keep using it. I have really gotten over the learning curve of using the apps and finding where things are hidden in the new menus.

I wouldn't wait too long, you will be kicking yourself for not doing it sooner.

I thought windows 7 was the best ever OS but after a few weeks on windows 10 I would not even think for a second now of every going back. I have to say I have had zero problems and everything runs much faster and smoother now.

A friend of mine was using Windows 7 and asked me to help him install Windows 10. He was a little hesitant fearing he may have problems.The installation was a breeze. No key numbers were required. He is now happy to have the new Windows system and found the learning curve nothing to be concerned with.

Microsoft accused of adding spy features to Windows 7, 8

The privacy impact of Windows' telemetry features continues to be scrutinized.

by Peter Bright - Aug 31, 2015 7:25pm MDT

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/micros...

Oh no question. Microsoft has been doing this stuff for the better part of a year with Windows Update, which is why I think it shows a lack of judgment for users to allow automatic updates. I've been blocking and removing these telemetric updates from Windows 7 SP1 all year... and MS keeps reissuing them with new update KB#s.

The other part of the issue for Windows 10 is that even if there is a workaround to block many non-security updates, Microsoft has become increasingly uninformative about what each optional and regular update will do, particularly with Windows 10, so it's becoming harder to know whether or not an update should be allowed or blocked for those who don't think phone-home telemetry is in their best interests.

If someone is worried or afraid of being tracked they best not go on line at all or have a smartphone or even go on any forum sites like this one. Even this site you are posting on tracks when you are on, what you post, what you download and upload and how long you have been doing that.

If you are afraid of being caught up with if you are hiding from someone or something you best not go on the internet or participate in any social media site or forum site. If you are not hiding or being sought than you do not need to be paranoid and really have nothing to be worried about.

I turned off automatic updates on my Windows 7 a few days before Windows 10 was released. I forgot to turn it back on.

I looked for the tracking files and found them.

Two had been installed before I turned update off.

The other two were waiting for me to update them.

I deleted the two that were installed. Now I am checking for new updates. When these two come back in the updates I will hide them so they will not come back again. I will also hide the other two so they will not install.

I also found another one that looked like it might not be needed, KB3078667. Can anyone tell me IF I NEED this file.

Now for my question:
Tell me the reason I DO NOT need these four files.
Tell me the reason I DO need these four files.
The files are:
KB3022345
KB3068708
KB3075249
KB3080149

Thanks, Mary

My posting "Adding spy features to Windows 7, 8" was to communicate that some of the objections regarding Microsoft and Windows 10 was that Microsoft's philosophy is likely going to be implemented (to various degrees) in whatever software they continue to support. If one is going to be subjected to Windows 10 style intrusions, perhaps getting the benefits now instead of later makes more sense (in some cases) than seeking "safety" in a pre-10 Windows.

I blocked installation of all of these. Your mileage may vary. Like you, I am only installing Windows Security Updates and other updates that address specific issues I am having in Windows 7 (which is to say, none).

Websearch KB3078667 and you will see discussion from others that don't understand what this update is about. If you are running Windows Server 2008 R2 for an Itanium-based system, you should install it. I know: you're not. Almost no one else who gets this pushed at them in Windows 7 is in that category, which makes this update very suspect and very unnecessary in most cases. It is designed to plug a memory leak. If your Windows 7 PC is freezing randomly and requiring a reboot to unfreeze, or if it gets slower and slower as you use your computer (key symptoms of a memory leak), consider installing it. If not, IMO, you can skip it. Microsoft's information on this update:
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=4862...

The other updates, KB3022345, KB3068708, KB3075249, and KB3080149, here's what Woody Leonhard of Infoworld posted yesterday about them:

"If you’re concerned about Microsoft snooping (and you should be), it would be a good idea to avoid KB 3068708, 3022345, 3075249, and 3080149 for now. I say that realizing that my tinfoil hat is showing. I have an inquiry into Microsoft at this moment which should shed some light — if I get a straight answer."
http://www.askwoody.com/2015/msdefcon-4-windows-patched-watc...

He and others on the web believe these updates are telemetry updates reporting potentially private data about you to Microsoft. If he removes the recommendation to avoid them for now, I will post that information back.

you are so very right about privacy , not that it exist anymore. I knew before 10 hit it would be spying even more than older versions. Everybody needs to go to settings/privacy and turn off almost everything in the list. Cortana would quickly know too much about you such as where you are and will be and when you will not be home...I don't trust Cortana but am using Windows 10. Tried mail but don't care for online mail or I would be using yahoo. I use thunderbird email. I'm using Edge but it needs more customizing by the user maybe it will be added

Ditto X2.

2 Desktops on Windows 10 now. One install very smooth, the other not so great and had to re-do. After that, both are doing fine. 17" laptop on Win 7 and may keep it there. Small laptop on XP and may transition to Linux.

The Win 10 machines both have backup HDs inside with Win 7 configured and ready. Disconnected, but ready. Just trying to play it safe.

Win 10 so far is running smooth with no hiccups and were installed as soon as I could put it on the machines. Virtually all the "spy" options have been optioned off. Don't know if that will do any good. Wait and see.

Keep in mind that after 30 days the windows 7 license is no longer valid. You have to revert within 30 days to windows 7 or you will need to buy a new windows 7 license again as the original one is canceled. It doesn't matter if you use the built in revert operation or have it on a back up drive after 30 days windows 7 will no longer be valid on that computer.

I have not heard of that.

With the 10532 build my graphic card driver was not good. Went to reset the computer and it wiped my Windows completely off. I reinstaled from an USB card and got the 10240. I set up for insider because I have a Vista so I have to stay on the Insider to keep it.
The more I thought about being a Bata tester the more I wished I had not upgraged.
Well, I went through my old dvds and found years ago I made a recovery disk for this computer.
All went fine. I am now back on Vista and in the process of updating everything. I have 116 windows updates. After I finish that I will have to do my HP updates.
An all day job but I will have the gaming computer for the grand kids again when I finish.

The more I worked with Windows 10 the more I disliked it. I tryed to install an old ATI driver and it would not let me. Kept telling the generic Microsoft driver was better. I could find so way to delete that driver.

Well hopefully when I am through all will be ok.

Highly recommend a clean install, and windows pro so you can change the update settings, but it's pretty nice.

I loaded it on my home computer a few weeks ago and have not seen much difference from WIN 7 in surfing the Internet and reading emails. The interface is different of course, but the programs run the same.

It appears stable, but then I've not been using it for long. Hopefully, it lives up to its advertising.

Woody followed up on reaching out to Microsoft about Win7 and Win8.1 updates KB3022345, 3068708, 3075249, and 3080149. Bottom line, he recommends not installing these updates, BUT he does not feel they perform spyware functions. Microsoft indicated to him that these updates are part of the Microsoft Customer Experience Improvement Program (CEIP) and they do pass telemetric data for that purpose (perhaps when Windows Bluescreens or crashes--then data may get passed about what programs were running at the time, for example, or what you were trying to do).

But Woody does not believe these updates can compromise personal data. Still, again, his recommendation: skip these (and he's said elsewhere, other Optional Updates for Win7 or Win8.1 that don't address a specific issue you are having). He also recommends opting out of Microsoft CEIP and gives instructions on how to do that.

For more detail, please click here:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2981947/microsoft-windows/t...

Note that the jury is still out to what extent you can block updates like these that can be refused in Win7 or Win8 once you upgrade to Win10. It may still be possible to opt out of CEIP after installing Windows 10 and there are workarounds for delaying many updates, but can you indefinitely delay or opt out of any particular one? The extent of that is still under analysis per Woody.

Good luck Mary.

I will do as he recommends and not install them. I read that if you hide updates they will not come back. Will give that a try for now.

I will not upgrade my Windows 7 PC to Windows 10. I just finished repairing my Vista computer from the problems Windows 10 did.
I reinstall Vista but because it was such an old program it had over 250 updates when I finished it. The only good part is the Vista PC has a new Vista on it with no other software so it is running very well. It is used for the Grand Kids to play games on and works very well for that.

Thanks for the information and for the updated information.
Mary

Ever since the Windows 10 icon has been in my toolbar on my Windows 7 PC I have been having to open Windows Updater and check for new updates manually. I am going to see if there is a way to get rid of the Windows 10 icon and maybe that will fix the updates to automatically check for updates.I checked and the settings still tell it to automatically check for updates.
Has anyone else had this problem?

EDIT:
I found that update KB3035583 put the Windows 10 Icon on my computer so I deleted the update and the icon is gone. Will have to see if my Windows Updater starts working again.

drivers are the issue on some pcs