Nuvi Line Being Replaced

 

Garmin has announced a new line of automotive GPS units called Drive. For detail see:

http://garmin.blogs.com/my_weblog/2016/01/garmin-revs-up-the...

The Nuvi has had a great run since the first 350 was released in 2005 but it looks like that run has come to an end.

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Nuvi 350, 760, 1695LM, 3790LMT, 2460LMT, 3597LMTHD, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, DriveSmart 61, Garmin Backup Camera 40 and TomTom XXL540s.
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Yikes

Yikes, we've all got a new learning curve ahead of us.

I didn't find a link to the owners manual of any of the devices so my thoughts are based on the link offered above and its additional link:

http://explore.garmin.com/en-US/drive/

MSRP range from $130 to $350.

My thoughts:

-the lowest level of the four offerings is a line that many users will find lacking: lifetime map updates may not be offered, the map offered is not all of North America, types of Junction Views offered are limited, no Smartphone Link App ability, and no voice command.

-only the highest level of models offers the magnetic mount, which I will assume is similar or identical to the one offered on the nuvi 3597.

A question I really would like to see answered is which of the four series uses a powered mount. The two lowest series (Drive and DriveSmart) of the 2016 line appear not to have a powered mount while the top of the line, the DriveLuxe, does have a powered mount. I'm still unclear as to the mount on the DriveAssist model.

Specific

Specific product details and pricing can be found at:

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/cOnTheRoad-cAutomotive-c1076...

The more I read the more these look like "re-branded" Nuvi models. shock

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Nuvi 350, 760, 1695LM, 3790LMT, 2460LMT, 3597LMTHD, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, DriveSmart 61, Garmin Backup Camera 40 and TomTom XXL540s.

On the bright side, ...

t923347 wrote:

Specific product details and pricing can be found at:

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/cOnTheRoad-cAutomotive-c1076...

The more I read the more these look like "re-branded" Nuvi models. shock

Thinking positively, this may bode well that our accumulated knowledge base for nuvis will carry over to thew new line; e.g., MTP vs MS, device folder structure, filenames, etc.

Just

Just my opinion but I very much doubt that Garmin has reinvented the wheel here. My guess is that if you are familiar with the Nuvi you will have about a zero learning curve to get up and running with the Drive.

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Nuvi 350, 760, 1695LM, 3790LMT, 2460LMT, 3597LMTHD, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, DriveSmart 61, Garmin Backup Camera 40 and TomTom XXL540s.

One more

CraigW wrote:

Thinking positively, this may bode well that our accumulated knowledge base for nuvis will carry over to thew new line; e.g., MTP vs MS, device folder structure, filenames, etc.

One more benefit if these new models are nuvi-like: there may not need to be 47 new versions of Garmin Express offered in the next three months. If these new models are entirely new, there may be weekly GE updates. confused

New models

Like what I see on some models. Looking through the spec I was hoping to see the memory capacity.

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Charlie. Nuvi 265 WT and Nuvi 2597 LMT. MapFactor - Offline Maps & GPS.

Looking at the top model

t923347 wrote:

Specific product details and pricing can be found at:

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/cOnTheRoad-cAutomotive-c1076...

The more I read the more these look like "re-branded" Nuvi models. shock

It appears Garmin has tweaked the software in the 3597 upgrade to offer such things as a drowsiness alert and a few other "goodies" such as backup camera and baby monitor connections.

The magnetic mount is different as it doesn't center on a ring but other than that, it doesn't appear that much different - other than being incompatible.

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Interesting features

Garmin Drive 50 GPS navigator provides driver alerts to encourage safer driving and increase situational awareness. Warnings include alerts for sharp curves, speed changes, railroad crossings and animal crossings. Additionally, Garmin Drive 50 notifies you when driving the wrong way on a one-way street and sends warnings for nearby school zones. Receive alerts for nearby red light and speed cameras³, and be prepared for sudden halts in traffic with upcoming traffic jam alerts. For longer drives, a fatigue warning4 suggests break times and potential rest areas after hours of driving. The Up Ahead feature lets you easily see places up ahead and milestones along your route, without leaving the map view.Lots of features for 129.99 to 169.99

Driving on a one way street would be agood one for FL.

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Charlie. Nuvi 265 WT and Nuvi 2597 LMT. MapFactor - Offline Maps & GPS.

soooooo

what happens with our lifetime maps on our older nuvi's is this where they say the nuvi model lifetime maps has ended with the new introduction of GPS models ?

Digital traffic

Seems only one of the US models have digital traffic, five of the UK models do, and in the UK at least initial pricing seems far higher than the current nuvi line. Suspect we'll see price drops quite quickly smile

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I doubt it

geo334 wrote:

what happens with our lifetime maps on our older nuvi's is this where they say the nuvi model lifetime maps has ended with the new introduction of GPS models ?

I doubt it, and I expect you do as well. Did map updates end with the Street Pilots when the nuvis replaced them?

Time will tell.

I Agree

t923347 wrote:

Just my opinion but I very much doubt that Garmin has reinvented the wheel here. My guess is that if you are familiar with the Nuvi you will have about a zero learning curve to get up and running with the Drive.

Appears to me basically the same product using a different marketing language. I'm wondering if we can still use POILoader to install our favorite POI's as well as Red Light and Speed Camera's, I'm fairly confident that we can.

As for the statement, "Drivers also receive red light and speed camera alerts as well as vital timesaving traffic information with fast-approaching traffic jam notifications."

Are these camera alerts the Garmin Cyclops cameras of old that weren't compatible with some units.

I'm curious to get member Preroll's opinion of the new line since he will be attending the CES show.
http://www.poi-factory.com/node/45538

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Nuvi 2460LMT 2 Units

New models

I hope that no one buys the cheapest Drive expecting to see lifetime map updates. I wonder why Garmin is even offering a model without included lifetime map updates as I can't imagine why anyone would buy one.

One more observation. The Assist model has the camera while the Luxe has the largest number of bells and whistles. I feed sorry for any buyer wishing for the most advanced bells and whistles model with a built in camera. They will have to choose camera or bells.

Battery Life

In looking at the new models. It appears that battery life is 1 hour or less! That seems odd?

Drive

If you go on the Garmin Product page and sort for lifetime maps it shows which ones. https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/browse.ep?filters=cOnTheRoad...

Lifetime traffic https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/on-the-road/automotive/2016-...

Digitial traffic https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/on-the-road/automotive/2016-...

When you click on accessories for the models they all show the same power cable.Vehicle Power Cable 010-11838-00 .Looks like traffic receiver built into the unit.

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Charlie. Nuvi 265 WT and Nuvi 2597 LMT. MapFactor - Offline Maps & GPS.

Mounts

Box Car wrote:

The magnetic mount is different as it doesn't center on a ring but other than that, it doesn't appear that much different - other than being incompatible.

Yes, the Assist and Luxe both use new unique mounts. The Assist uses a 10-12464-00 and the Luxe uses a 10-12394-00 mount. The Garmin site doesn't show an image for either of these. The two lower model lines (Drive and DriveSmart) use a non-powered mount 010-11983-00 compatible with each other and with many earlier nuvi and dezl models.

I would like to see a model that fits the 7XX-8XX trays

My Frontier has a built in flip tray for the 7XX and 8XX Nuvi's. Be nice to get a newer model that popped in there without having to change out the existing tray.

I'm seeing MP3 player is not mentioned in literature

For folks like me that use it, that does not bode well.

Powered Mounts

As far as I can tell the only new 2016 model that will have a powered mount will be the DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, the DriveAssist 50LMT according to Garmin, does NOT have a powered mount, nor does the Drive and DriveSmart models.

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/catalog/product/compareResul...

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NO MP3

cratecookie wrote:

For folks like me that use it, that does not bode well.

MP3 Players in Garmin units have not been available for many years now,it's doubtful they will ever be in future models.

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Nuvi 2460LMT 2 Units

Nice idea

windwalker wrote:

My Frontier has a built in flip tray for the 7XX and 8XX Nuvi's. Be nice to get a newer model that popped in there without having to change out the existing tray.

... but I don't think it is ever going to happen.

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

DriveLuxe 50LMTHD

DriveLuxe 50LMTHD looks like a good follow-on for the Nuvi 3597 with several added nice features.

True

Pillowcase wrote:

DriveLuxe 50LMTHD looks like a good follow-on for the Nuvi 3597 with several added nice features.

True. I'd like to see a YouTube describing some of these new features.

Garmin DriveLuxe GPS navigator provides driver alerts to encourage safer driving and increase situational awareness. Warnings include alerts for sharp curves, speed changes, railroad crossings, animal crossings and more. Additionally, Garmin DriveLuxe notifies you when driving the wrong way on a one-way street and sends warnings for nearby school zones

The wrong way warnings sound great. I wonder, though, about the speed changes, RR and animal Xings, etc. In some areas I could see where these warnings could become really annoying. I wonder if they can be selectively disabled.

A couple of random thoughts ...

It looks like Garmin is using the same model number on the various model groups which indicates the screen size (50 for 5 inch, 60 for 6 inch and 70 for 7 inch), and distinguishing the model groups with different names instead of numbers. This is different from what they did in the nuvi line, where they used model numbers to distinguish between the various nuvi flavors. We have seen how convoluted the nuvi model numbering schemes became over time. It does make me wonder what Garmin will do when new Drive models come out. Will there be a a DriveLuxe 52? Or will they come up with a new name (DriveXtreme 50)? I suspect we can count on Garmin to come up with something completely illogical rolleyes smile

The DriveLuxe 50LMTHD certainly sounds like it is an updated 3597LMTHD. It is nice to see that Garmin has decided there is a continuing market for the high end device. If I was to replace my 3597, this is the only one of the new models I would be interested in. The driver alerts feature does sound promising, but probably not enough to make me replace the 3597.

Hopefully these devices are close enough software wise to the current nuvi models that there will not be the rash of new model software glitches Garmin has become famous for. Time will tell I guess. It will be fun to see the early user reviews.

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Sounds promising

charlesd45 wrote:

Garmin Drive 50 GPS navigator provides driver alerts to encourage safer driving and increase situational awareness. Warnings include alerts for sharp curves, speed changes, railroad crossings and animal crossings. Additionally, Garmin Drive 50 notifies you when driving the wrong way on a one-way street and sends warnings for nearby school zones. Receive alerts for nearby red light and speed cameras³, and be prepared for sudden halts in traffic with upcoming traffic jam alerts. For longer drives, a fatigue warning4 suggests break times and potential rest areas after hours of driving. The Up Ahead feature lets you easily see places up ahead and milestones along your route, without leaving the map view.Lots of features for 129.99 to 169.99

Driving on a one way street would be agood one for FL.

Agreed, Charles, these are promising feature upgrades that could breathe some new life into the Garmin line. In some ways they're trying to better compete with what built-in navigator systems and smartphone apps offer. Not just a re-badging/marketing upgrade if it's applied across the Drive line.

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As the

owner of an original 350 I'm looking forward to the next generation of GPS's.

Fred

Interested

to check the new ones out.

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Nüvi trivia

As you are saying "Good bye" (or "Good Riddance"?) to the Nüvi line of products, I thought you might find this old post from 2007 interesting: http://www.poi-factory.com/node/7671

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

MP3

muell9k wrote:
cratecookie wrote:

For folks like me that use it, that does not bode well.

MP3 Players in Garmin units have not been available for many years now,it's doubtful they will ever be in future models.

Hopefully, they don't drop them from the Zumo line.

Competing for the future

dagarmin wrote:
charlesd45 wrote:

Garmin Drive 50 GPS navigator provides driver alerts to encourage safer driving and increase situational awareness. Warnings include alerts for sharp curves, speed changes, railroad crossings and animal crossings. Additionally, Garmin Drive 50 notifies you when driving the wrong way on a one-way street and sends warnings for nearby school zones. Receive alerts for nearby red light and speed cameras³, and be prepared for sudden halts in traffic with upcoming traffic jam alerts. For longer drives, a fatigue warning4 suggests break times and potential rest areas after hours of driving. The Up Ahead feature lets you easily see places up ahead and milestones along your route, without leaving the map view.Lots of features for 129.99 to 169.99

Driving on a one way street would be agood one for FL.

Agreed, Charles, these are promising feature upgrades that could breathe some new life into the Garmin line. In some ways they're trying to better compete with what built-in navigator systems and smartphone apps offer. Not just a re-badging/marketing upgrade if it's applied across the Drive line.

It looks like they are positioning themselves to compete with other means of navagation. I like there move.Means support will be here in the future.They have made a bold move.

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Charlie. Nuvi 265 WT and Nuvi 2597 LMT. MapFactor - Offline Maps & GPS.

Cyclops

Interesting that the Cyclops safety camera alerts for the new Drive line only include mostly European countries and NOT U.S. and Canada - at least so far.

Cyclops is very popular in Europe but less so in North America. I actually prefer Cyclops because there are far fewer false alarms. I am always afraid that Cyclops will disappear here in North America, but it seems to still plod along. They even added a couple of new compatible units. (But still nothing from about 2013 to 2015.)

It will be interesting to see if they add Drive to the North America compatibility list. Of course, it is also NOT free!

Positioning

The list of features Garmin has in its newest top of the line unit appears to be an effort to remain relevant in the coming push for telmatics and the connected vehicle. Telmatics is the over arching term used to describe the new computerized safety devices and features. On Star is an example of telmatics in that it can report such things as airbag deployment along with diagnostic data for the vehicle. Other examples showing up are the blind spot warning systems, adaptive cruise control where your vehicle stays a certain distance behind the one in front, automatic braking and lane departure systems.

Connected vehicle will bring out another raft of new services and features when it starts deployment in about 2 years. The key piece to connected vehicles or cars talking to cars giving warnings will be their ability to talk to devices on the roadside. The main stumbling block to full implementation will be the money to install and maintain the fixed devices. That cost is estimated to run more than $50 Billion with another 1 or 2 billion for maintenance.

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Re-branding at it's best.

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I rarely replace my GPS nav units

Meh, I rarely replace my GPS nav units. None of the advertised features sound too compelling. I haven't felt the need to update hardware for a couple years and don't expect a few new features and a re-brand to change anything.

DUH

Box Car wrote:

The key piece to connected vehicles or cars talking to cars giving warnings will be their ability to talk to devices on the roadside.

The main stumbling block to full implementation will be the money to install and maintain the fixed devices. That cost is estimated to run more than $50 Billion with another 1 or 2 billion for maintenance.

How about the main stumbling block will be keeping the drunks from using the fixed devices as target practice for their cars to hit? razz

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Nothing new.

I'm the same. Nothing much new that's so great. Not worth shelling out real money.

Me too

charlesd45 wrote:

Like what I see on some models. Looking through the spec I was hoping to see the memory capacity.

would have been nice!

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not interested...

meh, I'll stick with the 3590 and wait for Garmin to bring back a rebranded Viago.

Pricey

The Garmin DriveLuxe 50LMTHD looks interesting but like the top of the line Nuvi's, a bit pricey for an automotive unit.

I wonder how long before refurbs become available.

FAQ

I guess I need to update the Model Release History FAQ ... will work on that later today.

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I still love

my 765t, has everything I need, and parts are readily available on EBay.

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Don't see any "features" I

Don't see any "features" I really need, or would use.
Foursquare - nope
Bluetooth - nope
10 million "points of interest" that Garmin has cluttered the map with - nope

I think the new units are just re-branded without much new being added, so I'll pass.

One of the kids returned a 55LM that I got new only 7 months ago. It has more than I need so I'll keep updating and hold it in reserve.

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replacing the Nuvi 3597

alandb wrote:

It looks like Garmin is using the same model number on the various model groups which indicates the screen size (50 for 5 inch, 60 for 6 inch and 70 for 7 inch), and distinguishing the model groups with different names instead of numbers. This is different from what they did in the nuvi line, where they used model numbers to distinguish between the various nuvi flavors. We have seen how convoluted the nuvi model numbering schemes became over time. It does make me wonder what Garmin will do when new Drive models come out. Will there be a a DriveLuxe 52? Or will they come up with a new name (DriveXtreme 50)? I suspect we can count on Garmin to come up with something completely illogical rolleyes smile

The DriveLuxe 50LMTHD certainly sounds like it is an updated 3597LMTHD. It is nice to see that Garmin has decided there is a continuing market for the high end device. If I was to replace my 3597, this is the only one of the new models I would be interested in. The driver alerts feature does sound promising, but probably not enough to make me replace the 3597.

Hopefully these devices are close enough software wise to the current nuvi models that there will not be the rash of new model software glitches Garmin has become famous for. Time will tell I guess. It will be fun to see the early user reviews.

Thanks for your research and comments. It is good to know that should the need arise, there is another model GPS that I can go to. I love the NUVI 3597 and plan to keep it for a very long time.

NUVI 3590

I plan on keeping my 3590LMT until I can't update it. I am 77 yrs old to damn old to learn another GPPSr.

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Just added to Cyclops

Garmin quietly added Drice compatibility to the Cyclops safety camera subscriptions for North America today. That is good as I like Cyclops.

Cyclops

Chickenhawks wrote:

Garmin quietly added Drice compatibility to the Cyclops safety camera subscriptions for North America today. That is good as I like Cyclops.

For users of the paid Cyclops, how often do you update? Are you notified of updates or do you have to run WebUpdater or Garmin Express to be offered the updates? Finally, how often is Cyclops North America revised?

Good to know

Thanks for the info! Good to know.

Nuvi Line Being Replaced

For what ever it is worth, I agree with most of what has already been posted. I do think that Garmin has had too many models in recent years. Generally speaking, most Americans seem to like choices. It can be a cultural things, though. Not everybody likes choices and too many choices can be overwhelming to some people. Having just a few choices might be better from here forward. I think the real question is whether those units will have the appropriate features at a reasonable price.

Much like toasters are these days, the product has matured. When you buy a new toaster, you can get 2 slice or 4 slice, but at the end of the day, what do you want? Something that will toast a slice of bread, be it 2 or 4 slices!

Nice

Its nice to see the new models but I will be sticking with my 2797 for a few years yet, its hit the sweet spot for me.

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New products need to have

New products need to have new features, which in-turn makes consumers want the latest features. When a company like Garmin runs out of new and meaningful features to offer, consumers aren't willing to buy a new product that isn't any better than what they already have. I believe this is where Garmin is now - running out of meaningful new features to promote sales.

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