CES 2016 - Questions For Garmin?

 

Not sure how many here are going to CES but I will be going next week. If anyone has some questions for Garmin, I can "try" and get some answered while I'm there. They don't always a) have the answers or b) want to release info but I know one of the guys there that has given me some insight into unreleased or upcoming products in the past.

If you do, let me know by next Monday.

Thanks.

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Garmin: GPSIII / StreetPilot / StreetPilot Color Map / StreetPilot III / StreetPilot 2610 / GPSMAP60CSx / Nuvi 770 / Nuvi 765T / Nuvi 3490LMT * Pioneer: AVIC-80 / N3 / X950BH

Respectfully declined...

Attended (and worked) CES for many years. My favorite years doing CES were when I flew there and back with a friend in his private plane (his stock options at the startup were far, far better than mine).

Respectfully declined to go this year, and after the announcements of the new security measures (you're really going to try and run EVERYONE attending CES through metal detectors?), glad I won't be there.

I suspect Internet of Broken Things will be big, as well as everyone truing to get on the autonomous - nextgen vehicle bandwagon, which will also be a security nightmare.

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Nuvi 2460, 680, DATUM Tymserve 2100, Trimble Thunderbolt, Ham radio, Macintosh, Linux, Windows

Ask them

Ask them if they will ever try to bring back the app Viago.
Let them know how well a lot of us liked it and that it wasn't around long enough to buy the maps we wanted to use with it.

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Mary, Nuvi 2450, Garmin Viago, Honda Navigation, Nuvi 750 (gave to son)

I've got one

Preroll wrote:

...If anyone has some questions for Garmin, I can "try" and get some answered while I'm there...

Can you ask them what the future of standalone automotive GPS's is? I have to believe that that market's end days can't be too far off. I wonder how much of Garmin's money and resources are being put into what I think is a diminishing market. Too bad.

Phil

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Phil in Mentor, Ohio -- Garmin Nuvi 1450

Battery Improvement

Perhaps you can find out about Garmin's intentions for improved longer lasting batteries. That has always been a weak spot for those who use their nuvis walking around towns (mostly foreign for me) using the old $10 Foreign City maps.

As a workaround I have used an aux power bank about the size of my 3690LMT affixed by rubber bands. It works well on walking tours but improved batteries in the units would be better.

Gary Hayman

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Garmin DriveSmart 61 LMT-S, Prev.GPSs: Drive61 LM, nuvi 3790LMT, 755T & 650, GPSIII+, SP 2610, 250W; Magellan 2200T; Originator of GARMIN NUVI TRICKS, TIPS, WORKAROUNDS, HINTS, SECRETS & IDEAS http://bit.ly/GARMIN-TNT

could

mgarledge wrote:

Ask them if they will ever try to bring back the app Viago.
Let them know how well a lot of us liked it and that it wasn't around long enough to buy the maps we wanted to use with it.

not agree with you more, don't this was out long enough for them to really decide if profit incentive was really there.

Real Voice

It would be nice to get a answer on this from Garmins FAQ https://goo.gl/w00Rwh . "Garmin Real Voice uses refined speech technology to provide spoken instructions using a voice that sounds more realistic and friendly". Samantha has both real directions and real voice. When compared to voices without real voice.Is it really more improved?

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Charlie. Nuvi 265 WT and Nuvi 2597 LMT. Android Here WeGo - Offline Maps & GPS.

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blake7mstr wrote:
mgarledge wrote:

Ask them if they will ever try to bring back the app Viago.
Let them know how well a lot of us liked it and that it wasn't around long enough to buy the maps we wanted to use with it.

(Could) not agree with you more, don't this was out long enough for them to really decide if profit incentive was really there.

How about some ways to let those of us who have purchased Viago to download the program and/or buy add-on's. I just updated my phone and are looking for ways to get Viago, maps etc. to the new phone.

You can get the app from your Google Play

Pillowcase wrote:
blake7mstr wrote:
mgarledge wrote:

Ask them if they will ever try to bring back the app Viago.
Let them know how well a lot of us liked it and that it wasn't around long enough to buy the maps we wanted to use with it.

(Could) not agree with you more, don't this was out long enough for them to really decide if profit incentive was really there.

How about some ways to let those of us who have purchased Viago to download the program and/or buy add-on's. I just updated my phone and are looking for ways to get Viago, maps etc. to the new phone.

I reinstalled mine after they discontinued it when I got my new phone.. Go to PlayGoogle, click on left side on apps then choose my apps. At the bottom of your apps click on show more and your Viago will be there to reinstall. You will have to reinstall your maps from the app after you install it.

I also agree, I would buy the Europe maps if they would let us. I have emailed them but they said no way...

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Mary, Nuvi 2450, Garmin Viago, Honda Navigation, Nuvi 750 (gave to son)

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

mgarledge wrote:
Pillowcase wrote:
blake7mstr wrote:
mgarledge wrote:

Ask them if they will ever try to bring back the app Viago.
Let them know how well a lot of us liked it and that it wasn't around long enough to buy the maps we wanted to use with it.

(Could) not agree with you more, don't this was out long enough for them to really decide if profit incentive was really there.

How about some ways to let those of us who have purchased Viago to download the program and/or buy add-on's. I just updated my phone and are looking for ways to get Viago, maps etc. to the new phone.

I reinstalled mine after they discontinued it when I got my new phone.. Go to PlayGoogle, click on left side on apps then choose my apps. At the bottom of your apps click on show more and your Viago will be there to reinstall. You will have to reinstall your maps from the app after you install it.

I also agree, I would buy the Europe maps if they would let us. I have emailed them but they said no way...

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The procedure works like a charm. smile

You are welcome

Pillowcase wrote:
mgarledge wrote:
Pillowcase wrote:

I reinstalled mine after they discontinued it when I got my new phone.. Go to PlayGoogle, click on left side on apps then choose my apps. At the bottom of your apps click on show more and your Viago will be there to reinstall. You will have to reinstall your maps from the app after you install it.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. The procedure works like a charm. smile

You are welcome, glad I saw your post.

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Mary, Nuvi 2450, Garmin Viago, Honda Navigation, Nuvi 750 (gave to son)

Garmin Fenix 4

Hi

I'm in the Market for a GPS watch. I believe the last Fenix 3 GPS watch was announced at CES. If the Fenix 4 isn't announced, then it'd be nice to know if there are any rumours of a launch date for the next model? Also be nice to find out the new features of the Fenix 4 if possible.

I'm holding off buying a Fenix watch encase a new one is announced @ CES.

Many thanks!

Dave

Garmin Fenix 4

Hi

I'm in the Market for a GPS watch. I believe the last Fenix 3 GPS watch was announced at CES. If the Fenix 4 isn't announced, then it'd be nice to know if there are any rumours of a launch date for the next model? Also be nice to find out the new features of the Fenix 4 if possible.

I'm holding off buying a Fenix watch encase a new one is announced @ CES.

Many thanks!

Dave

Map situation.

They probably won't answer this, but I would like to know what kind of agreement Garmin has with the European auto manufacturers (BMW AG, Audi AG And Daimler AG) who now own the Navteq/Nokia/Here mapping products. I know their 5 year contract with Navteq was set to expire in 2015 ... about the same time that Nokia put Here up for sale. I have not heard whether Garmin has signed a new long term agreement with the current owners.

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

Got it!

OK thanks for the questions. I'll see what I can find out. Some years they are very accommodating with info RE; new products and other years they don't want to talk to you about much of anything unless you are a re-seller buying thousands of units. We'll see how this year pans out and if they have some info for the above.

Thanks.

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Garmin: GPSIII / StreetPilot / StreetPilot Color Map / StreetPilot III / StreetPilot 2610 / GPSMAP60CSx / Nuvi 770 / Nuvi 765T / Nuvi 3490LMT * Pioneer: AVIC-80 / N3 / X950BH

Broken screem

I sat on my garmin nuvi, not sure what the number is but here are some numbers. Ic 1792A-01652 the actual nuvi number sticker fell off. The screen has broken is there some place that fixes these? It was very expensive in the $500 range 5 yrs ago. Thank you.

I agree on bringing back Viago and map updates

mgarledge wrote:

Ask them if they will ever try to bring back the app Viago.
Let them know how well a lot of us liked it and that it wasn't around long enough to buy the maps we wanted to use with it.

I second this and would be pretty simple being they have already developed the app.

Viago app was and still is for some of us a very useful and familiar interface. Viago works great and if they added support for custom POI's it would be nearly perfect. smile

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GM Built-in Navigation system - Samsung S6 Edge+ Smartphone with Garmin Viago, Google Maps & HERE Apps

All

All the new product announcements for CES are now posted on the Garmin Blog at:

http://garmin.blogs.com/

The biggest news for us appears to be that the Nuvi is being replaced with a whole new line of automotive GPS units called Drive, see:

http://garmin.blogs.com/my_weblog/2016/01/garmin-revs-up-the...

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Nuvi 350, 760, 1695LM, 3790LMT, 2460LMT, 3597LMTHD, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, DriveSmart 61, Garmin Backup Camera 40 and TomTom XXL540s.

New On The Road lineup

Now that we see that the nuvi line is being replaced by the Drive line

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/45572

anyone attending the show should look at the four new model lines and report back if the devices have powered mounts or not.

Other questions to ask:

Are these MTP devices? If so, will they be user-configurable to MS mode?

What is the storage capacity of these new models? How much free space will they contain out of the box?

How many English language voices are offered with each from the factory? How many additional TTS voices are available through Garmin Express?

What voice engine is used in them? Will they use one of the current three voice engines? Or will there be yet another version of navigational voices beyond the current three?

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/42708

Since new models are coming out...

Also ask

1) Do they plan to continue to support the NUVI line?
2) Will the Nuvi's continue to get lifetime map support?
3) Is the traffic support built into the new models, the same as the current Nuvi's?
4) Will the current POILoader software that Garmin offers work with the new models?

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Garmin Nuvi 2699 with 2017.30 Maps

Cyclops

Also, will the new Drive line be compatible with Cyclops safety camera subscriptions in North America. So far, it is only Europe.

Wow, FAST work! Garmin just

Wow, FAST work! Garmin just added the Drive line to the Cyclops compatible list for North America this morning. So my question has already been answered. Thanks!

New units look nice

I saw the new units and now I want a new unit although I only use my Nuvi for vacations as I have a built in unit in my car and app on my smartphone. But I still want one of the new units with all the bells and whistles. I am going to have to do a lot of talking to get one. So far just a NO...
smile

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Mary, Nuvi 2450, Garmin Viago, Honda Navigation, Nuvi 750 (gave to son)

ok

mgarledge wrote:

I saw the new units and now I want a new unit although I only use my Nuvi for vacations as I have a built in unit in my car and app on my smartphone. But I still want one of the new units with all the bells and whistles. I am going to have to do a lot of talking to get one. So far just a NO...
smile

Why? Not t tying to be a snot just currious what you e seeing that I'm not.

I've got a 3597 and haven't really seen much difference...

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Never argue with a pig. It makes you look foolish and it anoys the hell out of the pig!

Mid-ground

BarneyBadass wrote:
mgarledge wrote:

I saw the new units and now I want a new unit although I only use my Nuvi for vacations as I have a built in unit in my car and app on my smartphone. But I still want one of the new units with all the bells and whistles. I am going to have to do a lot of talking to get one. So far just a NO...
smile

Why? Not t tying to be a snot just currious what you e seeing that I'm not.

I've got a 3597 and haven't really seen much difference...

I guess I'm between the two options. I would not replace my 3597 with the new Luxe but when my 3597 dies, I'll happily buy a Luxe. I do worry about some of the alerts and message-ey things in the Luxe and hope they can be disabled individually if I were to find them bothersome.

When the Owners Manuals for the various Drives come out, I think I will read through them...even more so, the new YouTube demonstrations of the Drives' new features.

It'll be awhile ...

CraigW wrote:

I guess I'm between the two options. I would not replace my 3597 with the new Luxe but when my 3597 dies, I'll happily buy a Luxe. I do worry about some of the alerts and message-ey things in the Luxe and hope they can be disabled individually if I were to find them bothersome.

When the Owners Manuals for the various Drives come out, I think I will read through them...even more so, the new YouTube demonstrations of the Drives' new features.

I just bought a new Nuvi 2689 a couple months ago so I'm nowhere near a new unit, until it dies or support is withdrawn. The bells and whistles as compared to my 2460 are really nice.

As for the new line I'm not a fan of the text messages being displayed, like you, I'd want to be able to disable that kind of stuff. In fact I turn off bluetooth altogether on my GPS's, my Jeep can handle phone calls in a much better, clearer way.

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. 2 Garmin DriveSmart 61 LMT-S, Nuvi 2689, 2 Nuvi 2460, Zumo 550, Zumo 450, Uniden R3 radar detector with GPS built in, includes RLC info. Uconnect 430N Garmin based, built into my Jeep. .

I don't have much

BarneyBadass wrote:
mgarledge wrote:

I saw the new units and now I want a new unit although I only use my Nuvi for vacations as I have a built in unit in my car and app on my smartphone. But I still want one of the new units with all the bells and whistles. I am going to have to do a lot of talking to get one. So far just a NO...
smile

Why? Not t tying to be a snot just currious what you e seeing that I'm not.

I've got a 3597 and haven't really seen much difference...

My 2450 is just a basic unit. No bluetooth or anything modern. No link to phone, nothing. Just a basic GPS. As Soberbiker said above "No bells and whistles".

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Mary, Nuvi 2450, Garmin Viago, Honda Navigation, Nuvi 750 (gave to son)

im not looking for

mgarledge wrote:
BarneyBadass wrote:
mgarledge wrote:

I saw the new units and now I want a new unit although I only use my Nuvi for vacations as I have a built in unit in my car and app on my smartphone. But I still want one of the new units with all the bells and whistles. I am going to have to do a lot of talking to get one. So far just a NO...
smile

Why? Not t tying to be a snot just currious what you e seeing that I'm not.

I've got a 3597 and haven't really seen much difference...

My 2450 is just a basic unit. No bluetooth or anything modern. No link to phone, nothing. Just a basic GPS. As Soberbiker said above "No bells and whistles".

Bells n' whistles.. But I am looking for a GPS with a vacuum attachment! razz

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Never argue with a pig. It makes you look foolish and it anoys the hell out of the pig!

Funny :)

BarneyBadass wrote:
mgarledge wrote:
BarneyBadass wrote:
mgarledge wrote:

I saw the new units and now I want a new unit although I only use my Nuvi for vacations as I have a built in unit in my car and app on my smartphone. But I still want one of the new units with all the bells and whistles. I am going to have to do a lot of talking to get one. So far just a NO...
smile

Why? Not t tying to be a snot just currious what you e seeing that I'm not.

I've got a 3597 and haven't really seen much difference...

My 2450 is just a basic unit. No bluetooth or anything modern. No link to phone, nothing. Just a basic GPS. As Soberbiker said above "No bells and whistles".

Bells n' whistles.. But I am looking for a GPS with a vacuum attachment! razz

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Mary, Nuvi 2450, Garmin Viago, Honda Navigation, Nuvi 750 (gave to son)

Observations

OK...so I was hoping to get more information than I did on this trip. Usually I deal with a guy at the booth who gives me a lot of inside information about unreleased products that are coming out but not this time. I could not get so called Tier 2 techs to answer any in depth technical questions like I have in the past so I was stuck dealing with basic sales pitches on products we already know about. Personally, I did not find any of the DRIVE products to be innovative in any way. It's basically another rehashed NUVI. The resolution and features are basically all the same with a few new bells and whistles. The only thing I believe they did improve was the built in camera on the Drive model. They say it is now up to 1080P but I couldn't get anyone to confirm this. In any event, based upon some of the questions above, I received some answers but unfortunately, somewhat limited. Let's say a disappointing visit for me this year at Garmin.

*Powered Mounts - Only the Deluxe model has this. The other Drive models still plug directly into the unit.

*MTP / Mass Storage Mode - Yes. I confirmed by going to the hidden menus and the selection for both MTP and Mass Storage Mode are still options although it's hidden under yet another menu (which I can't remember the title off hand but it was easy to figure out)

*Free Memory Out Of The Box - This was amazing. I asked four people at the booth and NOBODY knew the answer to this. They were all guessing. They had no info on the units RAM.

*Is NUVI Line Dead? - Yes but lifetime maps are still going to be supported.

*POI Loader - Should still work on Drive models.

*VIAGO - Dead

Basically they kept pushing the driver alerts and FourSquare additions but that was it. I'm still holding onto a 3490 and that is a 4.3" at 800X480. It looks great. I remembered when it was released with the 3590 which was the 5" model and the screens resolution was not as great since it had the same 800x480 resolution stretched out to 5". Not to say it looked bad but like anything that is enlarged without an increase in resolution, it won't look quite as sharp. What I'm getting to is that the new Drive units are still at 800x480. My 3490 looked better. If you look at some of the new Samsung phones (for example) they have done wonders with screen sharpness and resolution. Why is Garmin so cheap in moving forward with some better technology for their screens? This is personal rant on my part - sorry.

Anyway, I was hoping to get more but that's all I could get out of them on this trip. Hopefully the next trip will be more productive.

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Garmin: GPSIII / StreetPilot / StreetPilot Color Map / StreetPilot III / StreetPilot 2610 / GPSMAP60CSx / Nuvi 770 / Nuvi 765T / Nuvi 3490LMT * Pioneer: AVIC-80 / N3 / X950BH

Thanks

Preroll wrote:

Observations

OK...so I was hoping to get more information than I did on this trip...

Thank you. It's added a lot.

To me, the biggest remaining question is whether the new Drive models offering redlight and speed camera alerts will come with free lifetime updates or if a cyclops subscription will need to be purchased beyond the initial data supplied with the device.

@preroll Thanks For The Information

CraigW wrote:
Preroll wrote:

Observations

OK...so I was hoping to get more information than I did on this trip...

Thank you. It's added a lot.

To me, the biggest remaining question is whether the new Drive models offering redlight and speed camera alerts will come with free lifetime updates or if a cyclops subscription will need to be purchased beyond the initial data supplied with the device.

It appears to me this new 2016 line is just a marketing ploy by renaming the Nuvi line to Garmin Drive product line. I see little incentive to purchase a new unit.

As far as the Cyclops Safety Cameras go, I highly doubt they will come with Lifetime Updates, I believe it will be the same as in the past that a subscription will be required. Some past models did include a one time free Cyclops Safety Cameras but only included the file which would need to be updated for the 25.00 yearly fee.

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Thanks Preroll

Preroll wrote:

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Anyway, I was hoping to get more but that's all I could get out of them on this trip. Hopefully the next trip will be more productive.

I'm sure everyone here appreciates the effort you went to for the lot of us... I know I appreciates your efforts.

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Never argue with a pig. It makes you look foolish and it anoys the hell out of the pig!

Thanks.

Thanks for your efforts. I think I will be sticking to my 2797, maybe even buy a second unit for future use.

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Nuvi2797LMT (2) Nuvi260,Ford Sync3 Navigation. Captain Cook was a Yorkshire man too.

Hip Hip

Thanks for the sleuth work, recently bought a Nuvi 2689, hopefully won't be needing a new GPS for quite awhile.

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. 2 Garmin DriveSmart 61 LMT-S, Nuvi 2689, 2 Nuvi 2460, Zumo 550, Zumo 450, Uniden R3 radar detector with GPS built in, includes RLC info. Uconnect 430N Garmin based, built into my Jeep. .

Thanks!

Thanks for your report Preroll. So Garmin said lifetime map support for the nuvi line would continue. Did they give you any specifics about their arrangement with the new owners of Here maps?

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

higher screen densities--

Yeah, I'm disappointed the new (sic) Drive models didn't go with higher resolution screens.

But when you think about it from an engineering perspective, there are a lot of added costs in going to a higher resolution screen, a lot more than just a different LCD --

--you need more memory for frame buffers (to build images and animation)
--you need more processor power to push around more pixels, particularly to do animation
--if you did your graphics as bitmaps for one screen size, you need to re-do all of those for higher rez
--you have to update most everything in your user interfaces (UI), element sizes, locations, line thicknesses, and more. The "big" computer companies, Apple, Microsoft, Google and the like put a lot of effort into their UIs, providing developers with UI building blocks to help deal with different screen (and window) sizes. Unless Garmin internal development had a great deal of foresight (backed up by iron wills), I'd imagine there are a whole lot of hard-coded sizes and positions in the various Garmin UI elements -- quick and easy today, many tears tomorrow.

And to make those changes, you're forking the software -- creating essentially a new branch for higher density screen support. You going to back-port that software to the old Nuvi line? When bugs are discovered, do you patch both forks?

(As part of the original Mac team at Apple, I did a lot of early coaching with developers, convincing them not to hard-code UI elements; just maybe, some day, we might have a different sized screen...)

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Nuvi 2460, 680, DATUM Tymserve 2100, Trimble Thunderbolt, Ham radio, Macintosh, Linux, Windows

Thanks Preroll

Your reporting at CES this year as in the past is always very much appreciated smile

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Nüvi 255WT with nüMaps Lifetime North America born on 602117815 / Nüvi 3597LMTHD born on 805972514 / I love Friday’s except when I’m on holidays ~ canuk

What accounts for short battery llife?

k6rtm wrote:

Yeah, I'm disappointed the new (sic) Drive models didn't go with higher resolution screens.

But when you think about it from an engineering perspective, there are a lot of added costs in going to a higher resolution screen, a lot more than just a different LCD --
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I agree with all your points k6rtm and can see why Garmin would keep the old screen resolution which is "good enough" for the application. That said, it makes me wonder what has reduced the estimated battery life ... smaller battery? more powerful processor? Garmin finally being honest about battery life? Any theories on this?

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

Thanks

Preroll, thanks for your time and report.

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Great Report Preroll!

Thanks for your efforts!

If it were up to me, I'd award you a COW!

CES in Las Vegas

CES must be slightly different than most of the other special events in Vegas.

My wife goes down to the NFR every year and has been to both Continental Cup (curling) events. I have been to a couple of trade shows there as well. Those functions run on very strict schedules... you're in, out and back to the casinos in less than three hours.

I watched some reports from CES on TV; I'm not sure I would have been able to tolerate the crowds, and the tech sales pitches.

Thanks for the commentary - it was more interesting then the TV reports!