Nassau And Suffolk County NY Red Light Cameras

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Thanks.

We have prepared a POI file containing 18 known mobile speed camera locations in Nassau County.

Here is the link to the file:

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/43581

If you know of other locations that you think should be added to this file, please post the information and we will work to get it updated as soon as possible.

Be on the lookout for other locations. With several of the locations currently in the file, the mobile speed camera van has actually been spotted on site at school speed zones. dobs108 has described this van in previous posts.

Ciarmer, thanks for posting the mobile file. It has already been downloaded and loaded into the nuvi.

dobs108

The mobile speed camera was there again Friday the 17th - every day in the four-day week.

Since the law only permits one speed camera per school district, this means that the fixed speed camera at Baylis School must have been turned off for the week while the Syosset High School camera was operating.

Do we really believe that it was turned off? ATS, after making a big capital investment in the Baylis camera, is going to follow Nassau County's instructions to turn it off for a week with no return on investment?

dobs108

The Syosset High School mobile camera location is included in the Mobile Speed Cameras Nassau file posted by Ciarmer -

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/43581

dobs108

Will this file be updated regularly if there are new sites added or will a separate file be created?

Good Point dobs108. Who has oversight to ensure no one is issued tickets from a fixed camera on days when the mobile camera is operating in the same school district, and vice versa?

There is no incentive for the county or the contractor to prevent "double ticketing". They each make more money if no one catches them at it.

Individuals have no way of knowing where and when which fixed cameras are issuing tickets, or in which school district mobile cameras are issuing tickets on any given day.

Hopefully it's not a matter of trust.

Our intent is to update this file periodically as new sites are identified and confirmed.

For several days I have gone outside my comfort zone and watched many locations while the speed cameras were active. I am convinced that the expected bonanza of fines is not going to happen.

Some locations are a ghost town where almost all drivers avoid driving there. On busy streets, people are driving too slowly - 10 mph below the speed limit which is 20 mph below the "illegal" speed. They all know the camera is there, and the drivers who don't know about the camera know something is up.

With all my watching I did not see one driver come close to getting a ticket.

dobs108

Found a new mobile speed camera location. Oyster Bay High School on East Main Street in Oyster Bay NY. Sent the coordinates to Ciarmer.

dobs108

Found two new mobile speed camera locations:

Massapequa High School on Merrick Road

Theodore Roosevelt School on West Main Street in Oyster Bay

Forwarded the coordinates to Ciarmer.

dobs108

There is a meeting this evening 10/30/14 at 7:30 PM at Cantiague Elementary School, 678 Cantiague Rock Road, Jericho NY, regarding the speed camera in front of the school.

Local officials will be there including Judge John Marks, who is in charge of the speed camera program.

http://www.syossetjerichotribune.com/2014/10/17/jericho-grou...

dobs108

Just saw a "Scofflaw Patrol" van in Nassau County. It is a white Ford Transit micro van with a "Scofflaw Patrol" sign on the side and a "Do Not Tailgate" sign on the back, both in black lettering. A yellow warning light is on the roof. It has NY plates.

The driver was looking at a car in a driveway in Syosset.

dobs108

We have prepared an updated POI file containing mobile speed camera locations in Nassau County. The file now contains 22 mobile speed camera locations, all of which have signs warning of photo/video enforcement.

Here is the link to the file:

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/43581

If you know of other locations that you think should be added to this file, please post the information (school name, street and town) and we will work to get it updated as soon as possible.

Be on the lookout for other locations. With several of the locations currently in the file, the mobile speed camera van has actually been spotted on site at school speed zones. dobs108 has described this van in previous posts.

Thanks Ciarmer!

dobs108

Not sure if it's been reported yet, but I saw two new units at Deer Park Avenue and Bay Shore Road. I reported it anyway.

-Bob

There will be 50 additional red light cameras, and there is no need to wait for 2015 like Suffolk is doing for the speed cameras.

dobs108

They have been there for quite some time now and are present on the RedLight Camera file.

If you had your Nuvi on, the alert should have sounded when you passed there.

Better safe than sorry...

Newsday columnist Judy Cartwright yesterday stated for the first time that 20 mobile speed camera units would be deployed in Nassau County by the end of the year. Prior to this we never knew whether officials were referring to units or locations.

According to the last speed camera list published in Newsday 10/11, it looks like there will be 41 mobile locations. Ciarmer has more than half of them in his file available for download. We still need to find the remaining locations.

There are also two mobile locations found that were not on the list of 10/11, so we are dealing with a moving target. Nassau County has promised not to provide any more lists or other location info to the news media, meaning Newsday. According to a recent editorial, Newsday does not want to publish the locations of cameras. Nassau has a shell game going on and Newsday is a participant.

Download Ciarmer's mobile speed camera locations file -

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/43581

Please report new mobile speed camera locations in this thread, or contact Ciarmer or me on our contact forms.

dobs108

So how will we be able to track the additional units? Were they already disclosed, cause it sounds like there will be no more public disclosure.

Just like we found the RLCs in Nassau after Eddie took down the list - POI Factory members in the area finding and reporting them.

That's right. At all schools with fixed and mobile speed camera locations, Nassau has posted signs, "Speed Enforced By Photo/Video." That is what we are looking for.

Mike, you got my email with the list of 77 locations published by Newsday on 10/11. Those are the most likely spots. I will post them here. We have already found cameras and geocoded more than half that list.

dobs108

Look for fixed or mobile speed cameras at these schools in Nassau County. The school district (SD) is listed first and then the name of the school. As of 11/10 no speed cameras have been found yet at any of these locations. Remember that Nassau has already gone off this list with several speed camera locations.

Baldwin SD - Baldwin High School

Bellmore SD - Winthrop Avenue School

Bellmore SD - Merrick Avenue Middle School

Carle Place SD - Cherry Lane School

East Rockaway SD - East Rockaway High School

East Williston SD - North Side School on Hillside Avenue

Floral Park/Bellerose SD - John Lewis Childs School

Freeport SD - Freeport High School

Glen Cove SD - Glen Cove High School

Herricks SD - Herricks High School

Hewlett-Woodmere SD - George W Hewlett High School

Island Park SD - Francis X Hegarty Elementary

Lawrence SD - Lawrence Middle School

Locust Valley SD - Locust Valley High School

Lynbrook SD - Lynbrook High School

Lynbrook SD - Lynbrook South Middle School

Manhasset SD - Shelter Rock Elementary

Mineola SD - Jackson Avenue Elementary

New Hyde Park SD - Manor Oaks Elementary

North Bellmore SD - Newbridge Road School

Oceanside SD - Oceanside School #4

Oyster Bay/East Norwich SD - James H Vernon School on rt 106

Port Washington SD - Schreiber High School on Campus Drive

Rockville Centre SD - Jennie E Hewitt Elementary

Roosevelt SD - Roosevelt High School

Roosevelt SD - Roosevelt Middle School

Roslyn SD - Roslyn High School

Sewanhaka Central SD - Sewanhaka High School

Valley Stream 30 SD - Shaw Avenue School

Valley Stream Central SD - Valley Stream Mem Junior High School

Wantagh SD - Wantagh Elementary

dobs108

New from Newsday:

Hopefully this makes it easier to find them.

If it's all about safety, then no doubt Nassau County will use funds generated by school speed zone cameras in those 56 school districts to install flashing lights outside all 434 public and private schools ASAP. But I won't hold my breath.

I'm all for protecting children in our schools.
I'm just wondering has any type of study been done to determine just how many accidents occurred where children were hurt within a particular school zone.
Of course there will be accidents, but was the contributing factor due to excessive speed?

I sincerely think that number would be quite low to justify having the speed cameras present. As we know it's all about revenue and the inability of public officials to balance their budgets.

in Des Moines, ankeny, IOWA they move them al over those damn @#@#!
hate them so don't see how you could post them all..

Putting flashing lights at 56 school zones does not cover them all! They are planning for 77 locations including fixed and mobile cameras.

dobs108

This appeared in the print version of today's Newsday, 11/14/14:

MINEOLA

Rally against speed cams set for Sunday

Angry Nassau County residents plan to hold a rally in Mineola on Sunday to voice their opposition to the county’s controversial speed camera program.

It is slated to start at 11 a.m. at the Theodore Roosevelt Executive and Legislative Building, 1550 Franklin Ave.

“We’re a group of public people who are appalled by what’s being done,” said Woodbury resident Ned Newhouse. Newhouse is one of more than 2,700 members of a Facebook group, “Nassau County Residents Opposing School Zone Speed Cameras.”

Last month, more than 400 furious county residents packed a Jericho elementary school to confront the architect of the program and demand refunds for hundreds of tickets issued in front of the school.

By year’s end, there will be cameras at 56 locations countywide.

- MACKENZIE RIGG

dobs108

I was bike riding in Oyster Bay the other day and I noticed new warning signs about video enforcement by the Theodore Roosevelt Elementary School (a 20MPH zone which should make good money). However, there is no fixed camera installed anywhere (yet?). I am guessing this is a mobile camera zone.

I still need to head further south the the James H. Vernon School on NY-106 and see if there is new signage there. Being a main thoroughfare, that area is ripe for making a lot of money.

Ciarmer is way ahead of us - Roosevelt is already in the Mobile Speed Camera Nassau file. However, Vernon is not. You are right - this will be a big moneymaker!

I was at Vernon about a week ago and there were no signs or camera. Remember that they are entitled to one fixed camera in the Oyster Bay school district and Vernon could be it. On the other hand not every district will have a fixed camera.

dobs108

Looked at James H. Vernon School on route 106 in East Norwich again today. There are no Nassau County signs, "Speed Enforced by Photo/Video," and no fixed speed camera.

In my opinion there are problems there with the school zone speed limit signs. They were installed by the Town of Oyster Bay after the Town Board passed a resolution, so the county cannot fix this on their own.

The school zone is much too short for a mobile speed camera or a fixed camera on a single pole, because the camera looks at the back of a vehicle driving away.

There is a combination of two types of signs, "School Days, 7 AM - 6 PM," and "When Flashing" with flashing yellow lights. (which were off on Sunday) These two cannot be combined. They must use one or the other.

The "When Flashing" sign with the lights is in the middle of the short school zone, not where the school zone begins. There will be a big expense in moving it because of the underground wiring to operate the lights.

Unfortunately, defects like this exist at most of the speed camera locations, while officials are insisting that the speed limit signs are properly posted.

dobs108

Newsday columnist Judy Cartwright has reported that a driver who recently received a speed camera ticket requested a hearing, and the next available date was in June 2015!

dobs108

- - - June of NEXT YEAR!?!?!

I bet they are pretty quick to send you the ticket... with only a small amount of time to pay!!!

And if found guilty, it wouldn't surprise me if Nassau tried to tack on interest in addition to the 80.00 fine.

The school is on West Main Street in Oyster Bay which has the proper 20 mph school speed limit signs posted. The problem is a tee intersection with Lexington Avenue in front of the school.

This is a busy route to Bayville. You drive on Lexington and turn left on West Main to go to Bayville, and there is no school speed limit sign or school sign of any type on Lexington. Once you turn left on West Main you are already in front of the speed camera.

Another case of improper signs!

dobs108

welcome to the new world.
one day there will be cameras at all intersections. it will be just how it is.

The NYC local CBS TV news station has run two stories about this issue. Both of the stories were highly sympathetic to the drivers and had a significant amount of time devoted to the outrage of the public at what is obviously a system setup to generate revenue and not protect school children.

Cyclops uses the above logic, and since the alert is almost constant in DC, one basically says I'll just obey the law everywhere, or follow traffic.

In other words, Cyclops does have a mobile alert, when 99.9999% of the time there is no mobile setup there.

All speed cameras in New York State must be in school zones. Because of the way the speed camera law was written for Nassau and Suffolk counties limiting the number of all types of speed cameras to one in each school district, and the large number of fixed speed cameras which have been or will be installed, the flexibility of moving mobile speed cameras around is inherently limited.

It is not similar to other areas where mobile speed cameras can be moved to many locations every day. Our observation of various mobile locations has shown that the unit is there very often.

Because of the above mentioned restraints, Nassau and Suffolk counties could be the best example of an exception to the POI Factory rule of no mobile cameras in the file.

Ciarmer has posted an accurate file of the (now 22) mobile locations for anyone to download, but I do not expect visitors to our area to make use of it. The visitors will pay the price when ticketed by a mobile camera.

dobs108

Following the thread, you have stated many times the school zone must be posted and stated the mobile unit is a van or SUV. This begs the question of is the driver observant? If you start posting mobile locations in one area, how long before other areas will be clamoring for their mobile locations to be present also? Then you have the Cyclops/Trapster issue of so many false alerts you begin to disregard the real alerts.

How often does a person inadvertently speed through a school zone? Enforcement is nothing new in these areas, I expect to see a cruiser there 1/3 times, closer to 3/3 at the peak.

I know we're all on different pages, but from personal experience, the Garmin is going off almost all the time in DC. So much so that passengers ask for it to be muted. Which really just translates into being on your best behaviour, because it pays off to do so.

So you are advocating against the use of the POI Factory speed camera file?

if you live on Long Island. Just take a breath and think about the "insignificant change" you want for your situation would end up affecting a file used by thousands if others demanded the same change you want for their area.

We have prepared an updated POI file containing mobile speed camera locations in Nassau County. The file now contains 23 mobile speed camera locations, all of which have signs warning of photo/video enforcement.

Here is the link to the file:

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/43581

If you know of other locations that you think should be added to this file, please post the information (school name, street and town) and we will work to get it updated as soon as possible.

Be on the lookout for other locations. With several of the locations currently in the file, the mobile speed camera van has actually been spotted on site at school speed zones. dobs108 has described this van in previous posts.

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Thanks for the update on the mobile speed camera file!

dobs108

Thanks for the update, ciarmer - I'm driving up to Long Island this weekend for Thanksgiving, I'll be sure to update my GPS.

Good to hear from you, Moose!

dobs108