Nassau And Suffolk County NY Red Light Cameras

 

The number of red light cameras permitted has doubled to 100 in Nassau and 100 in Suffolk.

New red light cameras need roadway sensors to work so the contractors will be putting conduit and sensor loops under the roadway.

We need to find and geocode these cameras and we need your help! Everybody has done an excellent job on the existing cameras and I know we can do it again! Newcomers are invited - we need all the help we can get.

It may be that Nassau County speed cameras will return in the future. We will be ready to report those locations also.

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The old Nassau and Suffolk thread was becoming much too long so here is a new thread.

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Reminder about the greenvale speed camera

Today 10/5/14 the fixed speed camera at Harbor Hill School at 3 Glen Cove Road in Greenvale, 1/4 mile south of 25A, has no school speed limit signs and no school signs of any kind, so drivers do not know that a school is there. It is far back from the road with many trees.

Nassau County activated the speed camera 9/15/14 according to Newsday. In a later Newsday story 9/20/14 Judge John Marks, director of the Traffic and Parking Violations Agency, says that the camera has not been activated, "due to an issue we are attempting to resolve."

The only speed limit sign permitted by law is called the New York School Speed Limit Assembly. On top it says "School" with yellow or lime yellow background. Under that is a normal speed limit sign. On the bottom it says "School Days" and the specific time of day when the speed limit is in effect. All these parts are required to be included and used together as an assembly. The only exception is where the bottom sign says "When Flashing" and flashing yellow lights have been provided.

The problem is that Nassau may not have the legal authority to post such signs. The Village of East Hills is responsible for passing a resolution to create a school zone speed limit there. It is likely they never did because no children ever walk or bike to school there. That is the law. There are no sidewalks and no shoulder on the 4-lane road. The terrain next to the roadway is not walkable. By not acting, the Village of East Hills is acting in full compliance with the law.

This location can be a real moneymaker if drivers are not aware a school is there. A dispute about the legality of the signs could make this the most controversial Nassau speed camera.

This location is already in the POI Factory speed camera file.

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New Nassau speed camera found

A new fixed speed camera has been found at -

Turtle Hook Middle School, 975 Jerusalem Avenue in Uniondale

It has been reported.

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Keep watching these locations

This is what is left of Aardvark's list. Please watch for new cameras at these locations -

Charles Campagne School, 601 Plainview Road, Bethpage

Woodmere Middle School, 1170 Peninsula Blvd, Hewlett

Shelter Rock Elementary School, 27 Shelter Rock Road, Manhasset

New Hyde Park Road School, 300 New Hyde Park Road, New Hyde Park

Garden City High School, 170 Rockaway Ave, Garden City

Malvern Sr. High School, 75 Ocean Ave, Malverne - a mobile camera location but look for a fixed camera

Newbridge Road School, 1601 Newbridge Road, Bellmore

Glen Cove High School, 150 Dosoris Lane, Glen Cove

C P W Middle School, 705 Pt Washington Blvd, Port Washington
or the High School on Campus Drive, St. Peter's School, or any school in Port Washington

Great Neck North Middle School, 77 Polo Road, Great Neck -
Arrandale Avenue between Polo Road and 1/4 mile west of Polo Road is a mobile location, but look for a fixed camera

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Speed Cameras - Nassau County

I subscribed to the POI Factory today in order to download the POI files for Red Light Cameras in Nassau and Suffolk Counties.

The Red Light Camera file contains only 50 locations for the entire state of New York.

I have some questions:
How often is this file updated?
If users are reporting locations, how long does it take for a new location to get included in the file?
How can I report locations that I have found are not in the file?
I would love to be able to assist in keeping this file as up-to-date as possible.
Thanks!

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What's the definition of a "School Zone"?

Is it a zone where people debark and embark on their way to and from school, or is it more of just a proximity to the school?

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@ciarmer

ciarmer wrote:

I subscribed to the POI Factory today in order to download the POI files for Red Light Cameras in Nassau and Suffolk Counties.

The Red Light Camera file contains only 50 locations for the entire state of New York.

I have some questions:
How often is this file updated?
If users are reporting locations, how long does it take for a new location to get included in the file?
How can I report locations that I have found are not in the file?
I would love to be able to assist in keeping this file as up-to-date as possible.
Thanks!

When you view the files on your Garmin, it shows just the 50 locations nearest your current location.

The current red light and speed camera files actually contain 608 sites in New York as well as many in nearby New Jersey and elsewhere.

POI Factory publishes updated camera files every week, and you can report new locations using the "report an enforcement camera" link on the right side of each page.

Regards,

Jonathan (aka JM)

Two definitions

camerabob wrote:

What's The Definition Of A "School Zone"? Is it a zone where people debark and embark on their way to and from school, or is it more of just a proximity to the school?

There are two places in law where "school speed zone" is defined:

1) The NY State Supplement to the "Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices" or "MUTCD":

Page 163 and 164 explain the procedure for the local municipality to decide where a school zone should be. On Long Island, the local municipalities are the towns and villages, not the counties:

https://www.dot.ny.gov/divisions/operating/oom/transportatio...

Edit - changed the above link to a more specific location.

2) The new speed camera law passed this spring (NY State Vehicle and Traffic Law 1180-c):

" "School speed zone" shall mean a distance not to exceed one thousand three hundred twenty feet on a highway passing a school building, entrance or exit of a school abutting on the highway." This does not require a local municipality to create it.

Note that 1 and 2 are not compatible with one another. They are different. That is how the state legislators made a big mistake.

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ciarmer - thanks for your help!

ciarmer wrote:

I subscribed to the POI Factory today in order to download the POI files for Red Light Cameras in Nassau and Suffolk Counties.

The Red Light Camera file contains only 50 locations for the entire state of New York.

I have some questions:
How often is this file updated?
If users are reporting locations, how long does it take for a new location to get included in the file?
How can I report locations that I have found are not in the file?
I would love to be able to assist in keeping this file as up-to-date as possible.
Thanks!

ciarmer, welcome to the site!

The entire red light or speed camera file can be viewed on the PC. Right-click the .csv file and choose "Open With - Notepad." Each line of the text file is a location. Do a text search such as "NY" and many entries will come up.

When you load the red light or speed camera file into the GPS, use the whole thing even though you may not need the entire country. Because it is a text file, it is very small in comparison to the memory inside the GPS.

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Red light cameras

ciarmer wrote:

I subscribed to the POI Factory today in order to download the POI files for Red Light Cameras in Nassau and Suffolk Counties...

...I would love to be able to assist in keeping this file as up-to-date as possible.
Thanks!

You are bringing up an important point. While all of us have been focused on speed cameras since August, what have Nassau and Suffolk been doing about red light cameras? They each have received permission for an added 50 locations.

In Nassau, the pace of speed camera installations has slowed in the last month. What if the contractor has simply changed to red light camera locations?

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Speed Cameras - Nassau County - Corrected Post

I wanted to correct my post from October 6 and thank those who responded here and on email. I stated that the Red Light Camera file contains 50 New York locations. That is incorrect. The Red Light Camera file contains far more than 50 NY locations.

The Speed Camera file contains 50 New York Locations. Based on everything I've read, this is sure to grow. I'm glad that this website has made it so simple to submit updates when we come across new locations. Also, the frequency of posted file updates is also appreciated.

Sorry for the confusion. So far, the warning signals I'm getting on my Garmin have been accurate (I wish I had this loaded a few weeks ago; it would have saved me a lot of money!).

Also, just as a side note, I found the files easy to load with excellent online instructions provided. Sorry for the confusion in my original post.

Thanks!

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@ciarmer

Welcome to the site.

I usually would not make this particular post in a thread that is dedicated to a specific purpose, but since you are wanting to learn, I will do so.

We usually recommend the following to new mwmbers.

There is a "Learn" button in the upper right of this page next to "red light cameras" that takes you to a Getting Started page. It is worthwhile visiting this page.

To make navigation easy, most browsers provide the following option. When you want to follow a link - but still keep your current page open - you can hold down the "Ctrl" key as you left-click on a link. That action will open a new "Tab" in your browser up on the "Tab" bar. When you then left-click on that new "Tab", you will follow the link - leaving the "Tab" you are now reading open and available to click on and return here.

So, using the "Learn" link, you might try the "Ctrl" - left-click sequence and then return here. You can return by either "X-ing" out of the "Getting Started" page (using the "X" on the "Tab" itself) or just left-clicking on the "Tab" for the page you are on right now.

Note that the Learn Button will give you access to two valuable reference pages -
the "Index" to all of the FAQs (Frequently Asked Questions) and the Glossary of Terms and Links.

Since you are new here, I encourage you to go through a couple of the Tutorials.

The first link makes sure the settings on your computer are such that you can do more advanced POI loading.
http://www.poi-factory.com/node/30393

The next link helps you make a backup of your GPS by attaching it to your computer. (NEVER do anything to your GPS until you have a backup). It also assures that you put your (newer) unit into a state where you can see all of the folders there.
http://www.poi-factory.com/node/30394

Again welcome. We appreciate your willingness to help keep the camera files up-to date.

Let us know how we can help you enjoy your GPS.

thanks

jgermann, thanks for your post!

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@jgermann

Thanks so much for posting that information. I appreciate it.

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Syosset High School Speed Camera?

I passed by Syosset High School today. I was traveling Northbound on South Woods Road (between the LIRR tracks and Pell Lane). As I live in the neighborhood, the new sign was clearly evident. It warns about a school zone with a 20mph speed limit and clearly states that it is photo and video enforced.

While the sign is new, there is no evidence of a camera in the area. I don't know if this site has appeared on any list of proposed or potential sites for a speed camera. I'll keep an eye on it.

I can say that the presence of the sign has considerably slowed traffic in the area.

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mobile speed camera

ciarmer wrote:

I passed by Syosset High School today. I was traveling Northbound on South Woods Road (between the LIRR tracks and Pell Lane). As I live in the neighborhood, the new sign was clearly evident. It warns about a school zone with a 20mph speed limit and clearly states that it is photo and video enforced.

While the sign is new, there is no evidence of a camera in the area. I don't know if this site has appeared on any list of proposed or potential sites for a speed camera. I'll keep an eye on it.

I can say that the presence of the sign has considerably slowed traffic in the area.

This is shocking news! shock

This means that a mobile speed camera could be used in that school speed zone. There must be two signs - northbound and southbound. The only fixed speed camera in the Syosset School District is at Baylis Elementary School at 580 Woodbury Rd in Plainview west of the Nothern State Parkway. By law, the county can only have one speed camera per school district. John Marks from Nassau Traffic has said that they interpret that to mean that they can simply turn off a fixed camera for the day when a mobile camera would be operating in the same school district.

Do we really believe that Nassau will actually turn off the Baylis camera?

I live near Syosset High School, passed by last evening after dark and missed seeing the sign. I plan to go there this morning before school.

The traffic jams on Southwoods Road are very slow as it is. The middle school and district office are also nearby. Every kid is being driven to school by his parents.

A mobile speed camera is a white Ford Transit micro van with black bumpers and black equipment on the roof that cannot be seen from 200 yards away. It issues tickets in both directions.

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Confirmed

All of the above is confirmed. There is no fixed camera. The speed limit is 25.

Emailed Syosset High School and the principal called me back. The mobile speed camera has already been there. He said his wife had received 3 tickets while driving to other schools!

As I said before, the people mostly getting these tickets are parents, students, and teachers. Nobody else would be caught dead in a huge traffic jam near the school.

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Dobs108, Your recent posts have me wondering: Can mobile speed cameras only legally issue tickets in zones sign-posted for camera enforcement? Or can they operate anywhere where there is a speed limit sign? Regarding mobile speed cameras, are they restricted to only school zones, or can they legally issue tickets on any public road? Are mobile speed cameras authorized only in Nassau, Suffolk and NYC? Thanks.

Complicated

perpster wrote:

Dobs108, Your recent posts have me wondering: Can mobile speed cameras only legally issue tickets in zones sign-posted for camera enforcement? Or can they operate anywhere where there is a speed limit sign? Regarding mobile speed cameras, are they restricted to only school zones, or can they legally issue tickets on any public road? Are mobile speed cameras authorized only in Nassau, Suffolk and NYC? Thanks.

The new speed camera law (VAT 1180-c in Nassau and Suffolk and another similar section in NYC) does not mention "fixed" or "mobile" speed cameras. They are both the same thing.

As far as I know, speed cameras in New York State are only authorized in New York City, Nassau County, and Suffolk County.

Speed cameras are restricted to school speed zones.

There are two kinds of school speed zones mentioned in my post above in answering camerabob:

1) The traditional school speed zone under MUTCD requires the local municipality to post New York School Speed Limit Assembly signs which notify drivers that a school is there as well as the speed limit and time of day in effect.

2) The school speed zone under the new speed camera law VAT 1180-c creates a school speed zone adjacent to any and all schools, some of which do not have traditional school speed zones with signs. The new law does not require signs of any type. The Nassau County signs "Speed Limit Enforced by Photo/Video" are not required by law. It is just Nassau's idea of prior notice. Their proposal for "When Flashing" signs is not required.

It is possible under the law to operate a speed camera without school speed limit signs in place where drivers are unaware that a school is nearby, but in my opinion this would not be politically possible in Nassau County; however, I am afraid this may be happening in New York City. Remember that at the same time the speed camera law was passed this spring the city lowered the default speed limit to 25 mph. This is a perfect speed for a school speed zone. Since it is a default, the 25 mph speed does not have to be posted and a speed camera can be installed lawfully near the school without any signs whatsoever.

In my opinion, this is happening because the State Legislators intended it to be this way in order to create speed traps. This will end up in court and the lawyers will have a field day. Drivers must have prior notice that a school is nearby.

Perpster, I hope I answered all your questions or maybe I created new questions!

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Yup

Yup dobs108, you did, and thank you.

I just came across an article about the speed camera on the LIE service road by Gt Nk So HS. Wait till you see what the school district's Superintendent says about it!

It's All About Child Safety, Isn't It?

"[Gt. Neck School] Officials Oppose Camera by South [Middle School and High School Campus]"

By Anthony O’Reilly | Posted: Thursday, October 2, 2014 1:22 pm. ["The Island Now" publication]

"Great Neck school officials last week criticized the placement and purpose of a school-zone camera near Great Neck South Middle and High School at 349 Lakeville Road, saying they were not consulted before the camera was turned on Monday and it would not improve student safety.

“Choosing to place the school zone camera on the Long Island Expressway Service Road makes its purpose even more transparent. This is about revenue for the county, pure and simple,” said Great Neck Superintendent of Schools Thomas Dolan in an e-mail.

Dolan said that there are “virtually no pedestrians at all [by Great Neck South.]”

“No student uses this entrance to walk into the school, and we close the gates during the day to make it safer for our students. Again, this is about money for the county,” he said.

John Marks, executive director of the Nassau County Traffic and Parking Violation Agency, which oversees the operation of the school-zone cameras, said a school-zone camera was previously located at 77 Polo Road near Great Neck North Middle School and was changed to Great Neck South at the request of a school official.

Marks said he did not know the name of the school official who requested the camera’s location be changed.

“I was told I would get a call back if, as and when the name of the requesting person is determined,” he said. “To date I have not received a call back.”

Dolan disputed the claim that school officials were consulted on the location of the school zone camera.

“I know of no school official who was consulted,” Dolan said. “Who was it? If they can’t give a name, there is a reason.”

Barbara Berkowitz, president of the Great Neck Board of Education, also said the board was not consulted about the location of the camera.

“Personally I believe that the major purpose of placing all of these cameras is to increase revenue for the county, not a concern for safety,” Berkowitz said in an e-mail.

Dolan and Berkowitz did not respond to specific questions on where they thought the best spot for a school-zone camera would be.

Marks said he did not have any information on any fatal accidents that have occurred on Lakeville Road.

He also said the Lakeville Road camera is the only one that is placed near a service road.

The state Legislature in April approved a law that would allow Nassau County to install one speed camera per school district.

Drivers caught speeding through school zones will be subject to $80 in fines.

The cameras, which record speeding violations in real time without the need to have a police officer present in the area, will only be operational from 7 a.m. to 6 p.m. on school days, Nassau County Executive spokesman Brian Nevin said.

Previously, county police were required to physically witness a driver speeding to write a summons.

Marks said the school-zone cameras frequently change locations in school districts, and that the school-zone camera near Great Neck South could be changed at any time.

“It could be there for Monday, Tuesday or just for one day,” Marks said.

At press time, the school-zone camera was still operational at Great Neck South.

In August, Mangano announced that he would forgive more than $2.4 million in fines that were issued in error after five school-zone cameras, which were turned on without notifying the public, recorded drivers speeding through school zones on non-school days.

Nevin said more than 9,000 tickets were issued in error when five school district speed cameras recorded drivers speeding in school zones on non-school days, resulting in $784,560 in fines.

The county issued 30,108 valid tickets, Nevin said, which resulted in more than $2.4 million in fines. Those tickets were also forgiven, he said.

Those who had to pay the $80 fine during the summer were issued a refund by the Nassau County Comptroller George Maragos."

http://www.theislandnow.com/great_neck/news/gn-officials-opp...

shocking!

Shocking - just shocking!

The Great Neck superintendent tells it like it is!

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I Wonder

I wonder who that "school official" was. Probably John Smith as I am sure the county just made it up.

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dobs108 wrote:

Shocking - just shocking!

The Great Neck superintendent tells it like it is!

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Yes. One might say he's really sticking his neck out. Great!

Weeeeelll....

perpster wrote:
dobs108 wrote:

Shocking - just shocking!

The Great Neck superintendent tells it like it is!

dobs108 mrgreen

Yes. One might say he's really sticking his neck out. Great!

Not really if you think about it. The superintendent serves at the pleasure of the Board of Education and ultimately the voters. The voters, by a majority, hate the speed camera program, especially because it is so obviously being set up as a money grab and not a safety issue in most places. By taking the parents side, he stakes out a safe position.

Still I am impressed by his statements. Our own superintendent has had some negative comments on our own camera too. The district did not request the cameras, derives no money from them and was kept out of the loop on operating hours.

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Aardvark wrote:
perpster wrote:
dobs108 wrote:

Shocking - just shocking!

The Great Neck superintendent tells it like it is!

dobs108 mrgreen

Yes. One might say he's really sticking his neck out. Great!

Not really if you think about it. The superintendent serves at the pleasure of the Board of Education and ultimately the voters. The voters, by a majority, hate the speed camera program, especially because it is so obviously being set up as a money grab and not a safety issue in most places. By taking the parents side, he stakes out a safe position.

Still I am impressed by his statements. Our own superintendent has had some negative comments on our own camera too. The district did not request the cameras, derives no money from them and was kept out of the loop on operating hours.

It seems the money grabbing politicians put their heads together to think where they could get the most money from cameras. RLC's are good, but not good enough. Hey, what about school zones?! They have artificially low (and usually un-needed) speed restrictions. Let's put cameras there! The Mayor of NYC liked the idea so much, he lowered the default NYC speed limit on ALL streets to a very ridiculous 20 mph.

The whole thing stinks to high Heaven of typical NY political greed and corruption. Heaven forbid actually eliminating fraud and waste rather than increasing "revenue". That would require locking-up too many cronies.

Mobile Speed Cameras

Still learning - perhaps it has already been discussed:

Should the "known" locations for mobile speed cameras be included in the Speed Camera POI file?

I am asking specifically about school zones with signs warning of video enforcement. I haven't been paying much attention to this issue until recently (when my notices began arriving in the mail). But even in my short time paying attention, I now know of two school zones where mobile units are in use.

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up to us to decide

Several mobile camera locations in Nassau are already in the file. Previously there were few locations, but now there are about 10. Today's Newsday says there will be 20.

It is up to us to decide. We will be getting alerts whether or not the camera van is there. I think they should be included.

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i disagree

dobs108 wrote:

Several mobile camera locations in Nassau are already in the file. Previously there were few locations, but now there are about 10. Today's Newsday says there will be 20.

It is up to us to decide. We will be getting alerts whether or not the camera van is there. I think they should be included.

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If you want to include locations where there might be a camera, then subscribe to Trapster or something similar. The long standing criterion here has been actual camera spotted. Including all school zones "because they may have a portable" would generate so many false triggers that people would lose confidence in other areas there are actual cameras.

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For your info

We are not talking about any road anywhere in the county but specific locations. Out of 400 school zones there are 20 locations declared by the county with about a 50% chance the mobile camera will be there. We have geocoded the locations we are talking about. We have confidence in the locations and no confidence in any service other than POI-Factory.

Those unfamiliar with the area will pay the price if we do not include these 20 locations. After paying the fine they will really lose confidence.

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Agree

dobs108 wrote:

We are not talking about any road anywhere in the county but specific locations. Out of 400 school zones there are 20 locations declared by the county with about a 50% chance the mobile camera will be there. We have geocoded the locations we are talking about. We have confidence in the locations and no confidence in any service other than POI-Factory.

Those unfamiliar with the area will pay the price if we do not include these 20 locations. After paying the fine they will really lose confidence.

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I'm new here, but in my opinion, these locations should be included. It sounds to me like the cameras are in use at these locations on certain days during the week (e.g. every Thursday and Friday). If that is true, then there is a 100% chance that at some point during the week, a camera will be in operation at each of these sites.

If I had the GPS coordinates right now, I'd add them to my file manually.

One way to approach this is to set up and publish a separate file for the known mobile cameras and leave it to each user to install or ignore.

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Possible

ciarmer wrote:

One way to approach this is to set up and publish a separate file for the known mobile cameras and leave it to each user to install or ignore.

It would be possible to do it and very easy, but other contributors have already made the decision for us. We both have not submitted any locations for mobile speed cameras but others have. A quick check shows that about 5 are in the file out of about 10 current mobile sites. It may not be possible for us to keep them out.

Our local file would work very well for those in the area who download it, but in my opinion we have a duty to those members unfamiliar with our area. I doubt that any of them would obtain our file before driving here.

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So will eventually all of

So will eventually all of the mobile locations be posted. I think it will be beneficial for all users. Is there a way to somewhat distinguish between a mobile location and an actual speed camera in the file, maybe attach an abbreviation to the name of the location.

We will ask GlobeTurtle

mikemab2 wrote:

So will eventually all of the mobile locations be posted. I think it will be beneficial for all users. Is there a way to somewhat distinguish between a mobile location and an actual speed camera in the file, maybe attach an abbreviation to the name of the location.

We will ask GlobeTurtle about it.

Mike, can you post the known mobile locations from your end of the county? (southwest) We have the county list but it helps to see the location.

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I have only seen 2 locations

I have only seen 2 locations recently in my area 3160 Skillman Ave near Oceanside High School in Oceanside and Rockaway Pkwy. near Wheeler Avenue School in Valley Stream. I haven't drove around the other areas to confirm the mobile locations. Please keep me posted on GlobeTurtle's response.

Thanks

Thanks

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Syosset High School

The Syosset High School Mobile Unit was in place today (Tuesday October 14, 2014) on South Woods Road. I passed it at around 11:15 AM. Interesting that it is impossible to go more than 15 mph at this location during the time when students and teachers are arriving and leaving. There is simply too much traffic to move any faster. However, at 11:15 AM, the streets and sidewalks are deserted and with no one around, traffic is naturally moving faster. And, there is the mobile unit! Fortunately, I'm aware of the area and I was crawling along even before I spotted it.

It looks exactly as dobs108 described it in a previous post, ie:

"A mobile speed camera is a white Ford Transit micro van with black bumpers and black equipment on the roof that cannot be seen from 200 yards away."

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Creates its own traffic Jam!

The speed camera creates its own traffic jam!

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Aren't the license plates

Aren't the license plates from a different state as well? I noticed that on a few cars.

mobile

If there is a fixed location with a permanent platform or dedicated equipment we usually consider adding it to the file.
We do not add mobile vehicles for the reasons Box Car listed earlier. This is also based on many years of experience as well as the resources available to POI Factory for monitoring mobile locations.

We do keep the comments of members regarding the mobile cameras in mind and will continue to consider ways we can improve our current system in the future.

Feel free to msg Jonathan or I if you have further questions or thoughts on it.

~Angela

PLEASE Include the Mobile Camera Locations!

I hear what GlobeTurtle (and others) are saying. But, I think the Mobile Camera Locations should be included.

There are a finite number of mobile camera locations. It is not a large or overwhelming number.

The authorities are clearly playing Gotcha (see ciarma's post above about the speed van not going into operation until the road is empty, and devoid of students, buses, parents) for cash.

I would MUCH rather have a false warning than a ticket. In fact, the utility and trust of POI Factory's RLC and Speed Camera files would GO DOWN IMHO if I have to wonder if there's a known mobile location in an area unfamiliar to me, that has been intentionally left out of the file.

Realistically, how often would a driver encounter false warnings? There is a limit to the number of allowed locations, and most drivers aren't likely to be driving in many different school districts on a given trip. So, very few likely false warnings. Besides, they won't be false if the speed van happens to be operating there that day. Drivers are reasonably likely to be driving in an unfamiliar area and not even know there is a school coming up (many are well off the road and not visible or expected).

It really is a DIS-service to POI users to NOT include them.

The suggestion for an optional poi file is a good one, as is possibly using different text in the warning. Maybe also utilize a new/different icon/sound for the mobile sites.

New technology has made new gotcha tactics available to be used against drivers. Not only are they available, they are deployed. I respectfully submit that POI Factory should be flexible enough to arm its users against these new tactics. Particularly when it is well documented that safety concerns are a mere fig leaf for a money grab.

well said, perpster!

Well said, perpster!

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Create one yourself

Any one here could create a POI file for the less than dozen LI mobile cameras.

Just my two cents.

The benefit, as posted above, could be a different audible indication.

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Syosset High School

The Syosset High School Mobile Speed Camera Unit was again in place yesterday and today.

So, this week, it has been in place on at least three days (Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday October 14 - 16, 2014) on South Woods Road.

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Plates

mikemab2 wrote:

Aren't the license plates from a different state as well? I noticed that on a few cars.

I saw Arizona plates on 2 cameras today.

Craig, do they not need mobile speed cameras in Arizona anymore?

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Thanks

ciarmer wrote:

The Syosset High School Mobile Speed Camera Unit was again in place yesterday and today.

So, this week, it has been in place on at least three days (Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday October 14 - 16, 2014) on South Woods Road.

Thanks for your report, ciarmer, but as a result I am avoiding the area!

dobs108 rolleyes

we have

camerabob wrote:

Any one here could create a POI file for the less than dozen LI mobile cameras.

Just my two cents.

The benefit, as posted above, could be a different audible indication.

We have created a mobile file and it is ready for whatever use we can put it to.

dobs108 smile

Where is it D?

Are we waiting for clearance, Clarence?

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cooperative effort

camerabob wrote:

Are we waiting for clearance, Clarence?

This is being done by several members. We are now focused on double-checking 17 locations.

dobs108 smile

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