The old Nassau and Suffolk threads were getting much too long, so please post here for both counties.
This is a good time to make the change because the State Legislature has approved an added 50 in Nassau and an added 50 in Suffolk. We need to find and geocode all these new cameras and we need your help! Everybody has done an excellent job on the existing cameras and I know we can do it again! Newcomers are invited - we need all the help we can get.
The milestone will be legislative approval by the county to move forward. Unfortunately, I suspect the proposed locations will be kept a secret as the last ones were after the change in administration. I did like it that the county used to post the locations as they were activated. The new County Executive nixed that almost day one. Considering drivers have been getting better at obeying the red lights, they will need to redouble their efforts to make sure drivers miss them and generate more revenue.
On the bright side, the county appears to be adhering to section 2B.55 of the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices regarding the installation of R10-19P "Photo Enforced" signs even though they are not mandatory under the FHWA until December 22, 2013. So at least there will be warnings at the various intersections making it easier to identify active RLC's as compared to traffic monitoring cameras.
It looks like there are a lot!
DC's newest Crook (oops, make that Mayor) For Life wants speed cameras on every street and RLC at every intersection. It will definitely reduce the number of cabs, but I don't know much about raising revenue for the welfare state.
Thankfully we don't have speed cameras in New York yet. The State DOT recommended speed cameras on I-495, the Long Island Expressway. It will be like shooting fish in a barrel. The speed limit is 55 and the normal speed is about 72. The Legislature would have to approve it first.
The State DOT recommended speed cameras on I-495, the Long Island Expressway. It will be like shooting fish in a barrel. The speed limit is 55 and the normal speed is about 72. The Legislature would have to approve it first.
I think it would be more about enforcing the minimum speed postings - at rush hour, they'll make a mint on vehicles that can't maintain 40mph.
If they did decide to put speed cameras on the LIE, I for one would start driving 40MPH on that road and hope others would do so as well as a form of protest. Can you imagine how bad things would get on Long Island if even 10 percent of the LIE drivers decided to do 40MPH? Truck drivers alone would have trouble making timely deliveries being stuck in slow traffic. And such a protest would be perfectly legal until they decided to raise the minimum speed or charge people for unsafe driving. I am sure there is some law they could dust off to charge people driving the minimum in good weather.
According to a blurb in Newsday this past Sunday, hearing will be starting soon with regards to the next fifty cameras to be installed in Nassau and Suffolk. Just another step in the process. I am guessing we will not start seeing new installations until late this year at the earliest. I haven't even seen a list year of the proposed intersections for this new round.
In spite of reading Newsday, I missed the article about the hearings. Thanks for the update.
Speed cameras should only be allowed on the LIE if the speed limit is increased, at least in Eastern Suffolk, at the same time.
I hope they put the next 50 Suffolk cameras in Southampton.. Or, along the south shore, The north shore has the bulk of them to catch the people turning right on red, $$$$$.. Montauk or Orient point sounds good, but Nooo.. Lets put 200 cameras around the malls and rail road stations.. I will look into the list. Once the legislation passes, they have to submit the list to Albany. The locations are then public information and you can request it under the Freedom of Information Act, it's that easy.. Then it's off to geocoding the locations of the cameras..
There is a new red light camera in Syosset, Nassau County NY, at Southwoods Road and Syosset-Woodbury Road. It has been reported to POI-Factory.
It has been at least six months since new cameras have been approved in both Nassau and Suffolk. I cannot believe this long delay in installing them!
After a long delay it looks like ATS has finished an installation of a red light camera in Syosset. Please keep an eye out because 50 additional cameras have been approved in Nassau and 50 in Suffolk!
Any new members, your contribution will be appreciated! POI Factory has been a success because of the contributions of many people. If you see a camera, bring it up for discussion. All we need is the intersection.
Please make a report to GlobeTurtle at the "report an enforcement camera" link at the top right column on this page. Coordinates are helpful. You will get credit for making a contribution to the site!
Thanks for the heads up.. I'll look into getting the list from the legislature in Albany..
I do not believe there is such a list in the legislature. The legislation authorizes Nassau and Suffolk counties to install fifty additional lights but does not stipulate where they must go. That information would be somewhere in the county DPW offices. Under the previous Nassau County administration, the intersections were posted at http://www.nassaucountyny.gov/agencies/TPVA/rlc-intersection.... However, when the new administration took over in 2010, that page was pulled down from the county website and there is no longer an official online list that I am aware of.
According to Newsday, there is a problem delaying the installation of 50 new red light cameras authorized in Suffolk County by the State Legislature. Many of the new locations are not on state or county roads and the 5 western towns would have to maintain them while not receiving any revenue. Only Babylon has agreed so far.
Sorry, no link since www.newsday.com is a pay site.
Not surprised. Babylon Town just has to pass the costs onto the taxpayers in their property tax bills. Nassau had a similar issue when they first rolled out the RLC program. They installed lights in villages and discovered the county would not get the revenue (Massapequa Park IIRC). Pulled those lights rather quickly. Now they are proposing two for the City of Glen Cove but it will be on the county owned and maintained Glen Cove/Forest Avenue.
I noticed the last time I was in Nassau County that, at night, the speed cameras take pictures regardless of whether a car is in the intersection or not.
Amusing to watch a light, in the distance, no cars around, light turns red and you see four flashes taking photos of - nothing. I wonder how much more expensive it is to ALWAYS take photos?
There is a new red light camera in Nassau County NY, in Woodbury, at Woodbury Road and Jericho Turnpike (Route 25). It has been reported to POI-Factory.
It will be included in next week's update.
Is it for all 4 ways?
Probably costs very little, just electricity and sorting out the photos. I wonder if/when someone will have seizures or temporarily blindness from such flashes and get into an accident. One good lawsuit would erase all the RLC revenue.
New Hyde Park Rd and Marcus Ave Lake Success!!!!!!
I will look again soon. They may not be finished with construction.
New Hyde Park Rd and Marcus Ave Lake Success!!!!!!
What do you mean it's down?
There is another red light camera in Nassau County in Plainview NY at Old Country Road and Manetto Hill Road. It has been reported to GlobeTurtle.
it was laying on floor
New RLC there in the east and west bound directions. Reported to GT.
Didn't see this posted yet...
There is a relatively new camera set on the east and north approaches of Stewart Ave and Quentin Roosevelt Blvd. in East Garden City.
Suffolk County has delayed the rollout of the additional fifty cameras until next year according to Newsday (see https://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/suffolk-red-ligh...). Apparently the delay is due to Suffolk pushing for greater revenue sharing from the redlight camera vendor Xerox. Nassau claims to have rolled out 13 additional cameras so far which would bring its total to 63.
Sounds like I should never again visit that area.
Sounds like the locals should replace the politicians who have made it a Big Brother area.
sounds like a lot of new revenue
Well, from what I've been hearing, barely anyone goes through read lights in Nassau/Suffolk county anymore. The counties are complaining that they aren't making enough money.
A good sign that a local government isn't making enough money from red light cameras is when you stop at a light at night and you see cameras going off all over the place, even if nobody is even near the intersection. I see that in Nassau County now.
I wonder when all those needless camera flashes are going to startle a driver (or cause a seizure) and cause an accident. Just one time could wipe out all the "revenue" generated by all the tickets issued.
I have been startled by those flashes. Most recently a few days ago by the RLC at the intersection of NY-109 and New Highway. I was sitting at the light, first car, and suddenly "POW" there was a bright flash. It was slightly foggy that morning and the fog seemed to enhance the flash as it just lit up around the whole intersection. Luckily I was stopped or I might have swerved from the surprise.
When the lights were first installed in Manhasset, one of the local residents was quoted in a newspaper article as saying it looked like a disco at night with all the flashes. Apparently the system fires the strobes at certain intervals as part of a routine calibration procedure according to the article. Exactly what it is calibrating I have no idea. I am curious as to whether they all do that or just certain manufacturers. Suffolk's system is run by Xerox and Nassau's is run by American Traffic Solutions. The hardware they use is different.
The Glen Cove Patch has a report today on the first of three cameras having been installed in Glen Cove. It will be active in a month or so.
In Newsday there was an interview with a Nassau official about the lack of "photo enforced" signs at some intersections in Nassau. (Sorry - no link because Newsday.com is a pay site.) The official was non-committal and said the signs would be put up in the future. He would not confirm that their policy has changed.
Several months ago, two new red light cameras went into operation in Woodbury, at Jericho Turnpike and Woodbury Road, and at Southwoods Road and Syosset-Woodbury Road. During construction, signs were placed with black plastic over them. In the past, when the camera was activated the plastic would be removed. At these intersections, the signs were removed. They are not there today.
Silly me but I thought it was a requirement in the Federal Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices that RLC's be signed. The Federal ID of such signs is W16-10aP and is used in conjunction with the traffic light sign W3-3. Maybe Nassau has figured they will make more revenue by not providing warnings. The only regulation I can find at the moment is 2C.61 of the MUTCD.
I recall a few years ago when the RLC's went in on NY-25A and Searingtown Road (NY-101). One day the signs were gone and that lasted about a week. Then new signs appeared.
How are you guys startled by flashes from RLCs? Is it somehow scary? To see it, you're either making a turn with an arrow, and someone runs the light coming at you, or you're also running a light the opposite direction. Normally, you're stopped somewhere, be it at the line, or several cars deep, and the flash goes off as someone runs the light coming in your direction. How is that startling, you're already stopped and composed by then.
Now that's hyperbole to say the least. Being sideswiped by a red light runner would be a little more startling imho. I saw the effects of such a situation coming home on Thursday. Not only is it creepy (VW Passat, not the newest but one generation older was crushed like a sardine can), but it adds hours to a commute. Never would have happened if they installed a rlc with the startling flash.
...Never would have happened if they installed a rlc with the startling flash.
You seem really sure about that.
Such nonsense. How a RLC flash for someone already running a red light is going to make them have a come to jesus moment and not run them anymore sounds like how the RLC companies convince the politicians that they have the magic bean and will make their city tons of money.
I have heard that RLCs will flash if a car approaches a red signal above a pre-set speed, because if the car is going too fast it would escape identification if going so fast and the camera did not trip in advance. If the fast car stops short of the line there is no violation, but the RLC will have flashed just in case. Of course, that does not explain the many times I have seen RLC's flash when there are NO cars at or approaching a red signal.
Perhaps the RLCs are engaging in conversation with each other when they have nothing else to do. Dave?
Something we need to keep an eye on.
In Newsday there was an interview with a Nassau official about the lack of "photo enforced" signs at some intersections in Nassau.
I was back in Syosset for the last couple of weeks. I noticed several intersections without signs - the ones you mentioned, as well as Old Country Road at Manetto Hill Road.
Silly me but I thought it was a requirement in the Federal Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices that RLC's be signed.
From 2C.61 of the MUTCD (emphasis added):
Photo Enforced...plaque or a PHOTO ENFORCED... word message plaque...may be mounted below a warning sign to advise road users ...
Which means it isn't required. NYC has never had signs warning of RLC locations, although when the law first went into effect in Nassau/Suffolk, they did say signs were required as part of the legislation. I don't know if that was changed with the authorization for expanded locations, or if they have a time limit before they have to install signs, and Nassau is just pushing the limit as best they can.
Of course, that does not explain the many times I have seen RLC's flash when there are NO cars at or approaching a red signal.
I can't come close to finding a reference right now, but I remember reading that those random flashes when there were no cars around were part of the self-test/calibration programming of the system.
See http://www.antonnews.com/manhassetpress/news/12601-smile-you.... The relevant paragraph:
Have you ever been at an intersection where the camera flashes with no apparent vehicle in, or proceeding through, the intersection? That was said to be normal as a camera performs periodic self-testing when it photographs the red -yellow-green light sequence simply to monitor the traffic light timing.
Thanks, Aardvark, I knew I read that somewhere.
Is the sign advising use of red light camera (in Nassau/Suffolk) required by law?
Newsday reported some people who lived nearby were complaining the strobes were driving them crazy, flashing at all times of night regardless of traffic. Of course authorities blew them off.
When the law was enacted, I thought signs were required - the first batch of 50 in each county had signs installed when they went up. But I found the following:
Officials also noted that there is no law on the books in New York that mandates camera alerts at intersections, although they plan to install them in the future.
“The signs, again, are not a requirement. There is no state nor local statute; we do it strictly as a courtesy,” Nassau Traffic Safety Director Christopher Mistron told McLogan.
Nassau’s warning signs won’t be up for several more months. Until then, new red-light cameras will be fully operational, with fines imposed.
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