school bus violations with cam system

This system was started in Ontario, in 2023 and there are no issues. I don't know if there's a specific time between Amber & Red, but I do know that the Red Lights won't activate until the bus stops completely and the Stop Sign goes out.

In the past, drivers had no way to know when the bus was about to stop and this gives drivers a warning, so that you can be prepared to stop.

Drivers should never use this as a warning to hurry up to pass.

It has been proven to reduce accidents. Personally, I don't think the fines are high enough and should be in The $thousand range for anyone that passes a school bus when the red lights are flashing.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/police-warn-ontario-drivers-about...

Two weeks ago, I started to pass a school bus as it was slowing to make a pickup. No lights were flashing. The yellows came on just as my front bumper passed the rear bumper of the bus. Less than 2 seconds later, the lights went red as I was halfway past the bus.

I thought these light systems were mostly automated, but apparently not.

I don't know if our county uses cameras, or even if I broke the law, but so far, no ticket.

I know a few people who drive school bus in the Twin Cities Minnesota area. I have never known any stop arms to be automated. They all require the driver to activate the 8-way warning light system and stop arms.

FWIW, a school bus in PA (and most states I assume) has four warning lights on each end of the bus, two yellow and two red. The red are on the outer edges of the bus, so even if you couldn't determine the color the position of the lights should help you figure it out.

... I'm always reminded of the woman in Ohio who would pass a bus with activated lights by driving on the sidewalk. She apparently did this on a regular basis and one morning the police were waiting for her.

story --- > https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1208807113299260

I'm not sure of the amount of the fine, but in Pennsylvania failure to stop for a school bus with its red lights flashing and stop arm extended is a 60-day suspension and 5 points on your license.

Of all the moving violations you can get, 5 points is the highest with only two other violations giving the 5, both speeding related 26 MPH or more over the limit. PA is serious about stopping for a school bus with activated red lights.

I love the 60 day suspension, but you regularly see articles about people caught while driving under suspension.

In Ontario, we have a charge called Stunt Driving, that is 50KPH (30 MPH) over the speed limit, or 40 KPH (24 MPH) of roads marked as 80 KPH (50 MPH) or less. You have your vehicle impounded for 2 weeks and a 30 day suspension. There's also the speeding fine on top and the insurance hit.
Then there's the trouble you're in if your a teenager that was driving the parents car. LOL

What do they call doing 2x the speed limit up there? IE, 110 mph in a 55mph zone?

We don't give it a special name just more severe penalties.

Conviction for excessive speeding.--

1538(d)

(1) When any person is convicted of driving 31 miles per hour or more in excess of the speed limit, the department shall require the person to attend a departmental hearing and attend a driver improvement school and shall notify the person in writing. In addition, a hearing examiner may recommend one or more of the following:

(i) (Deleted by amendment).

(ii) That the person undergo an examination as provided for in section 1508.

(iii) That the person have his driver's license suspended for a period not exceeding 15 days.

(2) The department shall effect at least one of the sanctions but may not increase any suspension beyond 15 days.

(3) Failure to attend the hearing or comply with the requirements of this subsection shall result in the suspension of such person's operating privilege until the requirements of this subsection have been satisfactorily completed.

Pulled over for 52 in a 25, a long time ago, maybe 2009.

The officer told me to make sure I sent it in not guilty, which I did. He stated 2X, "We'll be lenient."

They gave me zero points, and modified it to 30 in a 25, and the fine was around $120.

I pulled my record 13 months later, and nothing was on it.

Maybe as much as I feel PA is soft (let people drive away from an accident when unlicensed, unregistred, uninsured, 5% tint), maybe it worked to my advantage that time.

This makes me wonder if anyone has ever really had their license suspended for a school bus violation?

I do think $300 is steep for an automated violation, but that's better than a suspension.

Again, the thing is that the red lights are activated by a human. On a road like City Line Ave., no matter when they are activated, somebody is going to be in the bus' route. Understandably, unlike a more suburban setting, the driver can't "wait" until there is no traffic to activate the lights.

The front cam is a true 4K, yet the lights are so bright and small, it's hard to distinguish color, and position. It seems the more obvious is whether the stop sign is folded in, or out....

I checked online and even the really expensive setups are 4K front, 1080p rear. Again, mine is a true 4K, not upscaled. I'd be curious to know how big the lens is in a place like Amazon go. It's not really the megapixels but the lens...