Map 2023.10 available

 

Map City Navigator North America 2023.10 is now available.

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Thanks

John from PA wrote:

Review this as there might be better map alternatives as far as maps, https://hikingguy.com/hiking-gear/how-to-get-free-garmin-gps...

For posting a link to their site. Good maps to use on certain Garmin units where one doesn't want to buy new maps/map SD cards.

Direct link to the map site:
http://www.gmaptool.eu/en/content/usa-osm-topo-routable

Thanks

Just finished the update....went smoothly, as usual.

Thanks

Just updated.

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nuvi 2460LMT

nüvi 855 Replacement Battery

alandb wrote:

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Those darned 8xx batteries haven't been available for purchase for many years now. As old is it is (12 years) I am surpried mine still holds a charge at all.
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A bit pricey with shipping, but this place claims to have it:
https://batteryoutfitters.com/products/single/PDA-247LI
It's listed as for a nüvi 850, but it's the same part number as the replacement battery in my nüvi 855.
Mark

nüvi 855 FULL NA map updates

alandb wrote:

Has anyone tried to install the full CN NA 2023.10 map on a nuvi 8xx series device (using cloning of course)? I think cloning is the only remaining option on this series for full CN NA.

For me, Garmin Express is only showing the option for lower 49, even though my cloned thumb drive has plenty of free space that would accommodate the full NA map (including the corresponding large JCV file). The install for the lower 49 works of course, but gives only the puny JCV file and NO corresponding ASR for voice recognition.
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Since using a multiple year old GarminDevice.xml file to update a nüvi 855 to the full NA map might trigger the "lifetime map" expiration, I devised a way to update a GarminDevice.xml file to appear like "recent" map version that will allow updating to the full NA map. In principle, only the map version in a recent GarminDevice.xml file needs to be edited to be a valid map part number and (also valid major & minor versions) in the form: 006-D2338-XX. I don't know if it matters, but I removed the nüvi 855 and the backup files from Garmin Express and re-added it to Garmin Express before the map update.

The long story. The GarminDevice.xml file contains the current software configuration for your GPS. During a map update seven files get updated: 1) gmapprom.img, 2) gmapprom.gma, 3) gmapprom.unl, 4) DXXXXXXXX.jcv, 5) 0XXXXXXX.ASR, 6) 0XXXXXXX.SRX and 7) .express. On the first bootup after a map update GarminDevice.xml will be updated with the new filenames and version numbers. For the recent map updates, when the nüvi 855 updates the GarminDevice.xml file the part number for the .img file is in the format: 006-D0783-XX. Previously, the .img part number had been in the format: 006-D2338-XX. Examining the CN FULL NA 2023.10 update on my nüvi 3597 I found the .img file part number was in the format: 006-D2338-XX. I performed a byte-by-byte comparison of the .img file on the nüvi 855 and nüvi 3597 and found that they are IDENTICAL!!! If the GarminDevice.xml contains a 006-D0783-XX format part number, Garman Express will only update your map to the Lower 49 map. Edit the GarminDevice.xml file to contain a valid .img part number in the form 006-D2338-XX (with valid Major and valid Minor Versions) to have Garmin Express update to the full NA map version. Editing the GarminDevice.xml is nasty because the file doesn't contain any carriage returns. If you're careful, GarminDevice.xml can be edited with notepad without adding carriage returns to the saved file (many xml editors seem to add carriage returns when saving the edited file). Below are the recent FULL NA file versions that I edited into my GarminDevice.xml file, tested, and used to successfully update the clone μSD to the full NA map. The actual .jcv, .asr and .srx files don't need to be copied to the clone μSD folders. IF no .jcv, .asr and .srx are copied to the clone μSD, the new files will still be copied to the clone μSD folders. If the .jcv, .asr and .srx file names referenced in the GarminDevice.xml file are copied to the clone μSD they will be replaced during the map update process with the new files. If the .jcv, .asr and .srx file names referenced in the GarminDevice.xml file do not match the files that are located in the clone μSD folders, they will not be replaced during the map update process; the new files will be added to the folders. The .jcv, .asr and .srx part numbers don't seem to need to be frome the same map version as the .img part number. My clone μSD contains the Garmin folder in the root directory, the GarminDevice.xml file and the asr and jcv folders. The asr folder contains all of the .srd and .sum files from the nüvi 855. The jcv folder is empty.
Mark

PartNumber: 006-D2338-44
Version
Major: 20
Minor: 22
FileName: gmapprom.img

PartNumber: 006-D3060-33
Version
Major: 2
Minor: 0
FileName: D3153330A.jcv

PartNumber: 006-D2367-36
Version
Major: 0
Minor; 0
FileName: 06kti58g.srx

PartNumber: 006-D2368-36
Version
Major: 0
Minor: 0
FileName: 06KTI58H.ASR

I'd love to see the YouTube of installing it!

baumback wrote:
alandb wrote:

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Those darned 8xx batteries haven't been available for purchase for many years now. As old is it is (12 years) I am surpried mine still holds a charge at all.
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A bit pricey with shipping, but this place claims to have it:
https://batteryoutfitters.com/products/single/PDA-247LI
It's listed as for a nüvi 850, but it's the same part number as the replacement battery in my nüvi 855.
Mark

I doubt that a 12V automobile battery will fit in a nuvi 850 or 855!
twisted

City Navigator Europe

Bought CN Europe in 2017, still keep it on my system even tho the trip has been postponed YET AGAIN. rolleyes

Express advised that my copy was old and should be updated. So I downloaded it from the Garmin site, got the same version I already had. No update seems to be available. Am I missing something here?

Hebbard

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M K Hebbard Lanexa VA USA

Gave Me A Good Chuckle

CraigW wrote:
baumback wrote:
alandb wrote:

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Those darned 8xx batteries haven't been available for purchase for many years now. As old is it is (12 years) I am surpried mine still holds a charge at all.
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A bit pricey with shipping, but this place claims to have it:
https://batteryoutfitters.com/products/single/PDA-247LI
It's listed as for a nüvi 850, but it's the same part number as the replacement battery in my nüvi 855.
Mark

I doubt that a 12V automobile battery will fit in a nuvi 850 or 855!
twisted

That gave me a good chuckle as I wondered why a car battery was shown on the webpage.

Nuvi 8xx cloning work-around.

baumback wrote:

Since using a multiple year old GarminDevice.xml file to update a nüvi 855 to the full NA map might trigger the "lifetime map" expiration, I devised a way to update a GarminDevice.xml file to appear like "recent" map version that will allow updating to the full NA map. In principle, ...

Thanks for the write-up on the nuvi 8xx cloning work-around to enable the full NA map update. This will be essential for those folks that don't have an old backup of the GarminDevice.xml file.

I might suggest that you repost this method in the cloning discussion thread (http://www.poi-factory.com/node/34914?page=7#comment-531683), as it may be easier to find it again in the future.

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

Device dependent

frostedside wrote:

The reason for the dramatic speed difference between the first and last half of a map update on USB connection is the first 50% is the actual downloading-from-internet process, and the final 50% is the copying-to-device process. In other words, when GE reaches 50% complete, the download is actually done and the rest is just copying files locally.

I envy the guy with six minutes for the second half. My 3597 is pretty spiffy, but the writing rate from PC to 3597 is slow enough that it takes a good bit more than six minutes for the "second half". In my particular case the two halves were about equal. Maybe when Starlink gets more satellites up and my over-full cell gets better speeds my first half will speed up, but this time it was roughly equal.

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personal GPS user since 1992

The usual reason for

The usual reason for slow-as-molasses file copy speed on older models is a USB 1.1 port in the nuvi instead of USB 2.0. The 3597 however is a 2013 model as stated here http://www.poi-factory.com/node/42240 so it should have USB 2.0 on board. But even with that, the 3597 has additional 3D buildings and 3D terrain data, so the update would take longer to get all the extra stuff sent to the unit with a full update in addition to the main map data itself. The only thing that would otherwise cause excessive slowness to update is if being updated through a USB connection that forced a "downgrade" to 1.1 speeds (like an old USB hub).

Thank you for the

Thank you for the information.

New Map Installation.

baumback wrote:
alandb wrote:

Has anyone tried to install the full CN NA 2023.10 map on a nuvi 8xx series device (using cloning of course)? I think cloning is the only remaining option on this series for full CN NA.

For me, Garmin Express is only showing the option for lower 49, even though my cloned thumb drive has plenty of free space that would accommodate the full NA map (including the corresponding large JCV file). The install for the lower 49 works of course, but gives only the puny JCV file and NO corresponding ASR for voice recognition.
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Since using a multiple year old GarminDevice.xml file to update a nüvi 855 to the full NA map might trigger the "lifetime map" expiration, I devised a way to update a GarminDevice.xml file to appear like "recent" map version that will allow updating to the full NA map. In principle, only the map version in a recent GarminDevice.xml file needs to be edited to be a valid map part number and (also valid major & minor versions) in the form: 006-D2338-XX. I don't know if it matters, but I removed the nüvi 855 and the backup files from Garmin Express and re-added it to Garmin Express before the map update.

The long story. The GarminDevice.xml file contains the current software configuration for your GPS. During a map update seven files get updated: 1) gmapprom.img, 2) gmapprom.gma, 3) gmapprom.unl, 4) DXXXXXXXX.jcv, 5) 0XXXXXXX.ASR, 6) 0XXXXXXX.SRX and 7) .express. On the first bootup after a map update GarminDevice.xml will be updated with the new filenames and version numbers. For the recent map updates, when the nüvi 855 updates the GarminDevice.xml file the part number for the .img file is in the format: 006-D0783-XX. Previously, the .img part number had been in the format: 006-D2338-XX. Examining the CN FULL NA 2023.10 update on my nüvi 3597 I found the .img file part number was in the format: 006-D2338-XX. I performed a byte-by-byte comparison of the .img file on the nüvi 855 and nüvi 3597 and found that they are IDENTICAL!!! If the GarminDevice.xml contains a 006-D0783-XX format part number, Garman Express will only update your map to the Lower 49 map. Edit the GarminDevice.xml file to contain a valid .img part number in the form 006-D2338-XX (with valid Major and valid Minor Versions) to have Garmin Express update to the full NA map version. Editing the GarminDevice.xml is nasty because the file doesn't contain any carriage returns. If you're careful, GarminDevice.xml can be edited with notepad without adding carriage returns to the saved file (many xml editors seem to add carriage returns when saving the edited file). Below are the recent FULL NA file versions that I edited into my GarminDevice.xml file, tested, and used to successfully update the clone μSD to the full NA map. The actual .jcv, .asr and .srx files don't need to be copied to the clone μSD folders. IF no .jcv, .asr and .srx are copied to the clone μSD, the new files will still be copied to the clone μSD folders. If the .jcv, .asr and .srx file names referenced in the GarminDevice.xml file are copied to the clone μSD they will be replaced during the map update process with the new files. If the .jcv, .asr and .srx file names referenced in the GarminDevice.xml file do not match the files that are located in the clone μSD folders, they will not be replaced during the map update process; the new files will be added to the folders. The .jcv, .asr and .srx part numbers don't seem to need to be frome the same map version as the .img part number. My clone μSD contains the Garmin folder in the root directory, the GarminDevice.xml file and the asr and jcv folders. The asr folder contains all of the .srd and .sum files from the nüvi 855. The jcv folder is empty.
Mark

PartNumber: 006-D2338-44
Version
Major: 20
Minor: 22
FileName: gmapprom.img

PartNumber: 006-D3060-33
Version
Major: 2
Minor: 0
FileName: D3153330A.jcv

PartNumber: 006-D2367-36
Version
Major: 0
Minor; 0
FileName: 06kti58g.srx

PartNumber: 006-D2368-36
Version
Major: 0
Minor: 0
FileName: 06KTI58H.ASR

Good info... Thank You !

looking forward to it

looking forward to it

Thanks for the info!

Thanks for the info!

Thanks

OK

thanks

I saw Garmin Express telling me that i had updates available and that reminded me that it had been a while since i had logged on.

I'm still confused why my zumo takes so much longer than my older nuvi to update but it doesn't matter since i launch it and walk away for both.

Took a couple of tries, but

Took a couple of tries, but this weekend finally installed. Very large file, the first couple of times the server disconnected before downloading. Not sure if it was a problem no my end or their end.

Thanks for the info Jfossy

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Nuvi 2595LMT

Great, thanks

Great, thanks

got it, thanks

got it, thanks

Same, updating

Same, updating

Challenge of the Day

I have not updated my Nuvi 650 in just over two years!! Using Android auto. We will be taking some very long trips this summer, so I thought to update, just in case. (In West Virginia, due to its mountainous and rural nature, Android auto was sporadic.)

Seems that the map sizes have increased almost to the point that they won't even install on the Nuvi 650's internal memory. I just recently came to that conclusion after spending several hours of fruitless "experimenting".

On the internal Nuvi 650, I could only updated one map region, that was the border states. On the SD, card, I was presented with numerous regions to download. Currently, I am re-updating the border states regions on the internal memory, even though that contains areas I don't necessarily want. On the SD card, I will re-update one of the bigger regions that includes areas that I'm interested in.

I've also downloaded the map update to BaseCamp, and will explore using MapInstaller to fill-in any missing areas that I want to have on the SD card.

I anticipate may more fun filled hours to get the Nuvi updated. A challenging learning experience.

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Garmin Nuvi650 - Morehead City, NC

Upgraded from cnnant 2021.2

Upgraded from cnnant 2021.2 to cnnant 2023.10.

State highway colors are now white, used to be yellow.

2021.2 - https://i.imgur.com/15Qo0Dx.png
2023.10 - https://i.imgur.com/WXLGl0l.png

Color scheme in basecamp mirrors that in mapsource.

WTF?!@#

Challange of the Day, Part 2

Steve R. wrote:

I anticipate may more fun filled hours to get the Nuvi updated. A challenging learning experience.

I found this thread on the POI factory: "Can you add more than one gmapsupp.img file to an sd card?" (http://www.poi-factory.com/node/25663), which led me to this app: GmapTool (http://www.gmaptool.eu/en/content/merging-maps). My first attempt at using it basically failed. But it's late so I won't be do anything more at this time.

The reason for having to use GmapTool is that Garmin MapInstall creates a second "supp" file on the SD card. My quick attempt at having two "supp" files work correctly on the SD card did not work. So I tried GmapToo. Testing it out will require more work.

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Garmin Nuvi650 - Morehead City, NC

Eventually...

I'll eventually do the update on both of my classic nüvi 760 devices. The last update took me forever to get around to doing but, as usual, went well.

Thanks for the heads up.

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GPSMAP 76CSx - nüvi 760 - nüvi 200 - GPSMAP 78S

Nuvi 6xx map file restrictions

Steve R. wrote:
Steve R. wrote:

I anticipate may more fun filled hours to get the Nuvi updated. A challenging learning experience.

I found this thread on the POI factory: "Can you add more than one gmapsupp.img file to an sd card?" (http://www.poi-factory.com/node/25663), which led me to this app: GmapTool (http://www.gmaptool.eu/en/content/merging-maps). My first attempt at using it basically failed. But it's late so I won't be do anything more at this time.

The reason for having to use GmapTool is that Garmin MapInstall creates a second "supp" file on the SD card. My quick attempt at having two "supp" files work correctly on the SD card did not work. So I tried GmapToo. Testing it out will require more work.

It appears you have been down this path before (see thread http://www.poi-factory.com/node/49329). The nuvi 3xx/6xx series is plagued by several map file restrictions making it difficult and maybe impossible to install the newest full NA map files. First, is the limited internal memory (~ 2 GB, with some of it taken up by the software and device management files). Second is a maximum map file size of 2 GB on the SD card. The third restriction is with map file naming convention. It is my understanding that the only map file name recognized on the SD card for this series is gmapsupp.img. Most of the newer nuvi models allowed a second gmapsup1.img file name, but I don't think it is recognized on the 6xx series.

Your best bet is to open up as much space in internal memory as possible by eliminating any unneeded files (voices, vehicles, music files, etc.) Then install the largest map region that will fit in internal storage. Then use MapInstall to install additional regions to the gmapsupp.img file on the SD card, making sure that you do not exceed 2 GB. This combination will probably allow you to get most or all of the lower 48 of the US.

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

Thanks for responding. I see

Thanks for responding. I see that there is also a thread now on "Action "Required: Your (GARMIN) Account Will Be Deleted in 60 Days" (http://www.poi-factory.com/node/51445#comment-537773), which was a kicker for me to update my Garmin stuff. Apparently, it is a hacking attempt. I never click on those links, but use the links that I have already saved in my browser.

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Garmin Nuvi650 - Morehead City, NC

No comments on the color

No comments on the color scheme change few posts up?

Thanks

Just did the map update and still don't see anything different.

working on it. thanks.

working on it. thanks.

Theme change?

zx1100e1 wrote:

No comments on the color scheme change few posts up?

Check your map theme. If you remember what it was earlier, maybe it's changed. You could also go through the themes and see if you can find the old one or find one you prefer.

I use Narvick's custom theme and prefer it for its added visibility of some items:

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/51064

Sadly, the download links in the above link no longer work. I just tried a second time to contact Narvick to see if something can be done to offer them again. If you read through the replies in the above thread, several folks like using them.

map colors

CraigW wrote:

Check your map theme. If you remember what it was earlier, maybe it's changed. You could also go through the themes and see if you can find the old one or find one you prefer.

I use Narvick's custom theme and prefer it for its added visibility of some items:

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/51064

Sadly, the download links in the above link no longer work. I just tried a second time to contact Narvick to see if something can be done to offer them again. If you read through the replies in the above thread, several folks like using them.

How do I apply a map theme in basecamp or mapsource?

Thanks

Thanks

good to update

good to update

finally got it to work!

finally got it to work!

didn't think it worked all

didn't think it worked all the way, but when I re did it, it seems to work fine now.

I must be doing something

I must be doing something wrong.

Updated the DS61 & DL50 without issues.

Tried to update the DS65 but GE doesn't offer it. It offers other firmware bits (like tz, keyboards, other files), but not the map data. Best I can tell unit was last updated ~20 months ago, summer of 2020. This is less than 2 years ago.

Tried deleting the device from GE, reinstalling GE (along with wiping all the other files that GE creates). Same result.

I have a feeling this will require a call to garmin to flip a switch to fix whatever is broken...?

Let us know

zx1100e1 wrote:

I must be doing something wrong...

I have a feeling this will require a call to garmin to flip a switch to fix whatever is broken...?

Keep us informed.

I agree that a call is your next step.

WiFi or cable updating

zx1100e1 wrote:

Tried to update the DS65 but GE doesn't offer it. It offers other firmware bits (like tz, keyboards, other files), but not the map data. Best I can tell unit was last updated ~20 months ago, summer of 2020. This is less than 2 years ago.

Tried deleting the device from GE, reinstalling GE (along with wiping all the other files that GE creates). Same result.

I have a feeling this will require a call to garmin to flip a switch to fix whatever is broken...?

Isn't the DS 65 able to update via cable or WiFi? If so whatever, you tried, maybe try the alternative. WiFi instructions are at https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/drivesmart55-65/EN-U....

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John from PA

Same outcome with wifi. Side

Same outcome with wifi.

Side not, i'm usually the one folks call when they have issues smile

This might be last resort,

This might be last resort, but here is Garmin's procedure to reset;

https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/drivesmart65w-alexa/...

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Frank DriveSmart55 37.322760, -79.511267

Yeah... Did the full reset

Yeah... Did the full reset last night. Did do the backup function in GE. All that saved was the "SAVED" items and trips. Other data such as recents, trip log, and probably other data got lost.

Thirty minutes into the garmin chat, issue fixed. He had me doing all the basic stuff I already did multiple times before. I finally told him to reset something on his end to satisfy GE.

Exit and reopen GE, success. Not sure why he didn't check there in the first place given the details I gave about what's already been tried.

I'm glad you got it. I shall

I'm glad you got it. I shall file that in the wet memory storage for future reference. I have DS55, which is same basic model in the 5" version.

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Frank DriveSmart55 37.322760, -79.511267

I'll make a new thread for

I'll make a new thread for the GE backup/restore discussion.

Something not right!

New GE update is not treating SD Cards correctly...

My 660 SD Card with Garmin Directory is seeing the Garmin ID and noticing that Map Update is available, but it RACES RIGHT PAST THE PART WHERE I HAVE TO SELECT THE QUADRANT OF COUNTRY TO SELECT!!!

THEREFORE WHEN IT FINISHES, AND FILES RENAMED OR NOT, THE MAP ON SD CARD, THOUGH IT FINISHES AND REPORTS BEING DONE SUCCESSFULLY, IS NO SEEN BY 660....

TRIED IT 4 TIMES....

Thank Goodness I cycle between 2x different SD cards.... !!!
Other one still works fine....
??????

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A 2689LMT in both our cars that we love... and a Nuvi 660 with Lifetime Maps that we have had literally forever.... And a 2011 Ford Escape with Nav System that is totally ignored!

The driveluxe 50 update

The driveluxe 50 update failed to use the internal storage, instead telling me I needed to use a SD. I offered it a 32GB fat32 formatted sandisk I had on hand. It updated successfully.

Granted, this is the full north america version. If you're using a sd card, shouldn't it install the entire eligible map for your device, not parts of ?

IMO GE is still a work in progress. It needs to supports many current and past devices, along with many different windows configurations.

I suppose they could simplify it by using a small tool to query the device, identify what it is and what needs updating. Download and install appropriately.

Wait, that's what GE does!@# smile I feel your frustration.

Just downloaded on my drive

Just downloaded on my drive 65. Not sure what's new though.

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Garmin DriveLuxe 51 LTM-S

Will test it next weekend on

Will test it next weekend on trip to Las vegas

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NickJr Nuvi 3597LMT

Nothing New

Never see anything new in the map updates.

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