2016.10 Large Junction View

Thanks for the appreciation. I don't see any problem by posting this file to help other members. I am not making any money out of this, so don't see any copyright issues.

I am always intrigued when someone rants that something they bought does not do what they (the purchaser) thinks that it ought to do or does not have features that they think it should have.

What has happened to "caveat emptor"?

@rtbond - where did Garmin ever say that it would provide "lifetime" support for a large "junction view" file?
All I can find is:

Did you not receive in this last update a "junction view" file?

To rookie8155

I downloaded the files. Now I am not sure how to handle them. On being able to combine the 3 files into the large JVC file.
Sorry but I need some help.
Thanks in advance
Hardin

Please install 7zip or WinRAR program on your computer and then double click on the archived file. It should combine all fragments into one file. Just save it and use. I hope this makes any sense?

I did a simulated trip last night, and saw a junction view. So it looks like my update is complete until the next one in 4 months.

You are welcome. I am glad I was able to help.

Thanks for uploading the large JCV file. Now I have a stupid question. How do I extract them? Help much appreciated. I downloaded the 4 files which are .zip.001, 002, 003, and 004

Please see my previous post in the thread to use 7zip or WinRAR to re-assemble the file.

Not speaking for rtbond, but he likely perceives Garmin cutting 90% of the junction views out of the file available for 13xx and 14xx users as not supporting the products they sell. On top of that he likely sees the change as duplicitous, given that the file originally on the device when it was released had far more views than the file currently downloaded with the map update.

While I'm inclined to agree with his general sentiment on the whole thing, that Garmin is shafting 13xx and 14xx owners because of Garmin not building sufficient flash storage into these devices, his "lifetime" support claim is irrelevant. Garmin, as you point out, offers lifetime maps, not lifetime support. He got a map, and he got the JCV file appropriate for his device.

TL;DR: He got what he paid for, but he isn't happy about it.

@Strephon_Alkhalikoi ... I generally agree with what you said, although I think insuficient storage in the 13xx/14xx is a poor excuse for not providing the full JCV content. These devices won't even hold the full NA map, and that is why Garmin Express offers the option to install to SD. If the user selects this install option and has an SD card with sufficient capacity, there is no reason they couldn't install the full JCV file. The nuvi 8x5 series has the same situation except that Garmin Express doesn't even offer to install to SD on that device.

As I said before, it will be interesting to see if Garmin handles the older 7x5 series the same way when it can no longer hold both the map and large JCV file in internal memory. I am not sure what the memory status on the zumo 660 is, but I suspect it is also close to filling up. Then Garmin can just eliminate the large JCV altogether.

When I tried to install 2016.10 to my 855 the only way it could be done is by using a SD card and the cloning method.
I have everything that is not needed for day to day operation deleted, but there still is not enough room for the newer maps now, other than on the SD card.

@melaqueman ... I was actually able to install the full NA 2016.10 map to internal memory on my 855 with Garmin Express, so I must have eliminated more extraneous files than you. Of course I just got the puny JCV file, but it all fit and still had sufficient free space to operate reliably. I have since moved the .ASR and .SRX voice recognition files to the SD card, After doing that, I was able to put the large JCV file in internal memory, and still have 153 MB of free space. So I think I am still good for another map update or 2 on this device.

Thank you so much for your help.

It may be a silly question, but what should I do after I download this four files? Do I have to combine the four separate files into a single file and unlock them?

Or do I have to unlock each of the four files?

Thank you in advance.

Answer is in this post

Can someone please confirm if this large junction view works on a 3597 ?

Which program would you say is more user friendly between the 7zip and WinRAR ?

When we want to combine all 4 downloads together do we highight the folder the 4 files are in or must we first go into the folder and then highlight the files ?

Thanking you all in advance for your help and guidance in this matter as I have absolutely no experience whatsoever in doing the above and not sure where to start

You don't want to use this file on your 3597. It is designed for older nuvi's that show Full screen junction views (covering up the entire map). This would interfere with some of the advanced features on your 3597. The split screen junction view file that came with your map update is the correct one for your device and has the same coverage (number of junctions) as the so-called large JCV file being discussed in this thread.

I downloaded 7-zip and that worked perfectly. I was very impressed with the download speed from Mega. Much faster(about 20X) than GPSUnderground.

For new folks here that are hearing about the large JCV file for the first time and wondering about it and whether they should try it, jgermann's Glossary has a large section on junction views worth reading.

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/37552

For this discussion, the alphabetical section Junction View (large file) gives details.

And yet another of jgermann's faqs on Junction Views

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/42260

Hmm, if a split-screen nuvi owner of a GPS that offers Birdseye and Active Lane Guidance chooses to substitute the large JCV file, I wonder if they not only lose the split-screen JV but also lose the Birdseye and Active Guidance. If lost, that'd be another reason not to use the large JCV file.

I agree with alanb, 100%. Do not use the Large Full Screen JCV file on your 3597. The 400+MB file you have on the 3597 is the correct file for your unit, and as Alan says, it has the same number of views as the larger file. The only reason that the file being discussed here is larger is because it takes up the full screen while the file you have is for split screen views (half the picture size = half the file size).

There are a number of reasons why you don't want this larger file, including the JC view will take up the full screen on the 3597 and therefore you will not be able to see the map and the view only stays on the screen for a few seconds while the split screen view guides you right through the maneuver being displayed in the view.

A very sincere thank you for your recommendation, I wasn't at all aware of the consequences you've all mentioned.

Your help is truly appreciated

I obviously struck a nerve among some folks with my critical comments toward Garmin. That was not my intent and I want to clear the air.

First and foremost I have no desire to hurt or damage Garmin or encourage everyone to run out the door and buy a TomTom. Successful companies care what their customers think and I feel certain that Garmin monitors this and other forums to see what people are thinking. If we were to pose the question: "Is Garmin acting in the best interest of their customers by not providing the Large JCV file?", I believe we all would know what the answer would be. I also do not think it requires a high degree of deductive skills to answer the question of "Why?" when Garmin fails to comment.

This may surprise some but I really like Garmin's products. I have purchased a number of them going back to the iQue 3600 and including my most recent purchase of the RV 760. They were all, in their day, wonderful and reliable products. The SmartLink and Voice Command features of the RV 760 were enough to convince me to buy without having to go out of the way to cripple my 1490.

Garmin has lost market share to smartphones and the future is not particularly bright. I made my comments to touch a nerve with Garmin in the interest of making them a successful and viable company going forward. I really don't like having to depend on GPS Underground to keep my device working. I want Garmin to be my GPS provider and I will be a loyal customer. It is the only GPS that I have ever recommended to others.

Garmin has basked for some years in the glory of being the "top dog" in the automotive GPS market and can be forgiven for catering to their shareholders. This has happened because of the likes of companies like Microsoft, Apple, and Google having shown only a casual interest in the GPS market. That could change at any time and it is no secret that Apple has a iNav project in the works. If and when that happens Garmin's future will rest with their loyal customers. I also loved the Palm devices and owned a number of them. I was disappointed when they failed and I do not want that to happen to Garmin.

Again, I apologize to anyone that I may have offended with my comments. I will strive to be a nice boy in the future.

Just a question to clarify, are you calling POI-Factory "Underground"?

GPS Underground is a forum and file sharing site that allows pirated map files for Garmin and other GPS brands to be distributed.

It has nothing to do with POI Factory other than some members have used the GPS Underground site to obtain the full screen large JCV file.

As has been said before, shame on Garmin for putting loyal customers in this awkward position.

Absolutely not. GPS Underground is another website that some others will refer to as the "other" site that has as made the large JCV file available. Do a Google search and you can find it.

GPS Underground is a another website which has posted the large JCV file for down load !

BTW: I just installed the large JCV file to my 855 and it works fine. Mind you the 2015.10 and JCV are both on a SD card.

I downloaded the files as kindly suggested by friendly folks.

Also downloaded 7-zip and could extracted the large-and-full JCV file with success.

Tested the file and it worked fine.

Thank you folks for your help! Enormously!

There seems to exist some people who are against using the large-and-full junction view file.

To be sure, for newer Garmin models, the large file might not be of significant use.

But, for the owners some older models like me, this file is still of great value and use. It is because Garmin provides only a junction view file which contains a limited number of junction views.

So, for older model owners, the large JCV file gives not only a LARGE picture of a junction, but also provides a great more number of junction views.

I beg your understanding!!!

When I commented above on your posts, I was not objecting to comments critical of Garmin (as most of us have those feeling from time to time), but rather only to your implication that we should have "lifetime" support.

As you are aware, Garmin devices with 2gig or less of internal storage now have a problem because - over time - the maps have gotten so large. As many have noted, this should have been anticipated as soon as "lifetime" maps were introduced. Internal memory size might have been increased on all new models. However, not having any idea as to what Garmin's competitors were doing, it would be a mistake to draw any conclusions.

The size of the maps thus puts pressure on other feature's use of storage - the maps must take precedence.

Still, each unit - regardless of internal memory - most likely did what it claimed it would do when purchased. As new features were introduced - photoreal junction view, for example - Garmin had no obligation to make sure that every previous model would be able to have such a feature.

I do appreciate your response. It was well thought out and clearly stated.

John

I agree and misspoke with relation to "Lifetime" support. I was really referring to the term "free lifetime map updates" which Garmin is presently using to sell devices. As has been pointed out to me "free lifetime map updates" really means "free lifetime map updates until we (Garmin) determine that the useful life of your device is over".

I had to laugh at this because it reminded me of the Pizza Hut lawsuit against Papa John's in 1998 for false advertising over the use of "Better Ingredients, Better Pizza". Initially, Pizza Hut won the case but it was over turned in a higher court. Papa John's interesting defense was that "Better Ingredients, Better Pizza" really did not mean that but meant something different. The case went to the Supreme court that refused to hear it and the rest is history. Papa John's continues to the use the statement to this day in their logo. This clearly opened the door for companies to say anything in advertising and when pressed claim that it really does not what they are saying.

Where we are today is not Garmin's fault and as you have said "Caveat Emptor".

I have the 2555, but I like having the split screen version. The split view shows your proximity to your turning point. I find this very helpful especially on a tricky interchange.

Thanks for your time and effort.

I would not update my map without the large JCV file.

Thanks again.

Garry

It appears that 1490 displays full screen junction view. I just tested mine tonight. It uses small JCV file but still shows lots of junctions. I think I used to copy large file on this unit. I never used this unit. It was for my wife's car only.

Yes it does. AFAIK there is no ability to display split screen views on the 1490.

I had no idea that there was an underground for GPS.
Not something I would want to use.
Thanks, I am so glad no one was calling us Underground...

I am blond you know.. well before the gray took over.

I just came back from a drive using the file that rookie8155 uploaded. It works great on my 1390T. The jcv that came with the downloaded map was only 25,550 KB. Thanks again for uploading the large JCV file.

Just sometimes you need an alternate source for something. None of the regulars here at POI-Factory support pirating but there are times you need to get something that isn't available anywhere else.

It's not as if we are attempting to avoid paying Garmin their fees for the large JCV file, we are just looking to be able to load something that was routinely provided and is no longer provided for that particular model in their update manifest. It would be "stealing" if Garmin had never provided the file and it was modified so it would work on our unit. Neither the file or unit are modified in any way so no "hack" has been performed.

(Oh, my wife is a Strawberry Blonde so sometimes I have to explain things to her in detail too!)

The way you put it it sounds ok. When most of us grew up the underground was not a good thing.

I am always getting detailed explanations from my husband too, sometimes a little more than I need...

Unless the copyright holder gives permission for others to freely distribute the copyrighted works, even though it might be freely distributed by the copyright holder, it is still copyrighted material.

You might want to rationalize it so you don't feel guilty downloading it from another source, but that does not change anything.

I am quite surprised POI Factory is allowing these links to be posted on this site, as useful as the information might be to the members.

I think Garmin was asked about non-Garmin folks offering unaltered GPS files to others and Garmin's response was that they were OK with it. This didn't apply at all to paid maps that were offered by Garmin as locked that had been cracked, but was useful when offering files like Junction View or other needed files that a user mistakenly deleted from their device.

I wonder if someone can find the thread here in the Garmin Talk forum or who has kept the actual response from Garmin. This would have been several years ago, prior to the time that Garmin offered the large JCV file download (which of course was well before Garmin stopped offering the large jcv file as a download).

I do have a nuvi 855 that would benefit from the large JCV file and I manually installed it with each map update when the file was available directly from Garmin. Right now, I haven't downloaded the large JCV for the current and recent map updates, and I don't plan to, especially if required to go to a site offering pirated maps.

I suppose that part of my not minding the loss of the large jcv file for my 855 is that my 855 is a backup to a backup GPS device and therefore hasn't been used for navigation for quite some time.

Is this the thread you were looking for ?

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/36917?page=0#comment-294139

I don't use the large file but was offended when someone might have been calling us the underground. Hopefully Garmin said it is ok to use the large junction view. Maybe we can find out.

That's it! Genius. And being just over three years old matches my guess for when it was posted. I'm curious, had you saved this link for a time like this? If not, what words did you include in your search terms to find it? Given your quick response, it must have been found in your first search.

Hmm, this may be worthy of becoming a faq or something other than just a forum post since I expect the question could arise again in the future.

Very well done, canuk!

I just spent a week in Berlin, Germany and used the "Undergound" quite a bit, easy fast way to travel !

I asked Garmin if it was ok for people with a Garmin to share the larger junction view with others who have a Garmin. Will see what their answer is.

We went to Germany, and other countries around there last year. We never were in a case to use the underground there.

That reminds me of the time we did use the underground in London. I am so afraid I will loose my husband in an unknown area. We were standing in the area with the doors. My husband was behind me. At our stop I kept waiting for the door to open but it didn't. I turned my head to look at my husband and he was out on the platform. The door on the otherside opened instead of the one we came in at. I panicked, pushed a lady down, said sorry, then got caught between the two doors. Thankfully they reopened and I got off.........

We now have a rule. If we get separated go back to our hotel to meet up. So far I have not because I keep a finger in his belt loop when we are somewhere like that..

Sorry for getting off post but just a memory that had to come out.

From mgarledge post
So far I have not because I keep a finger in his belt loop when we are somewhere like that..
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Do like they do with the kindergarten kids, loop a string around both of your wrists. LOL

Sorry just couldn't resist.

I believe that if you hack or use whatever other method to obtain a map/voice/app or anything else free that ordinarily would cost money then yes I would consider that illegal.

When you want to edit/change for example a map theme/voice file on your device that you legitimately obtained, I certainly don't believe there's anything wrong in doing that.

Now let's say I don't have a full backup of my device and use Map Updater to get 2015.10 and the updater doesn't download the DEM file, I don't believe someone emailing me the file or providing a link to download it is considered illegal as my unit can use this file.

Getting back to the large Junction View file, previously Garmin would provide that link for everyone that wanted it, now they've decided for one reason or another in not providing that link. Is getting that file which they previously provided for years to everyone and that they still provide to certain models now all of a sudden be considered illegal ?

I'm not a lawyer but as a ordinary honest law abiding citizen I certainly wouldn't consider this illegal or a copyright issue.

P.S. With Garmin's affirmative answer in using files from one device for another, I consider the question answered in favor for all GPS enthusiasts/owners.

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/36917?page=0#comment-294139

I remembered having read in the past a thread from JM concerning copyright issues. The key to success was remembering the answer coming from JM.

I searched in the POI Factory window JM copyright and then looked at the various threads and found it. If it hadn't worked, I would have tried copyright JM and my last search would have been viewing all of JM past posts in trying to locate the one we are looking for.

Voila

I upgraded my 765T last week and I got the large JCV. I do use an SD card now as the device itself is not large enough to hold the maps for the last several years. Is available space a criteria for getting the large JCV?

Available space is not the issue. It is just that Garmin has decided to not offer the file to owners of 13xx, 14xx and 8x5 devices. The reason is not clear, especially for 13xx/14xx users who get the same option as you do to use a SD card for a map update.

The issue is also not the age of the unit, as the 7x5 series is older than the 13xx/14xx.