Zumo 395LM (Is there a way to eliminate the Europe map?)

 

Greetings, 1st time member. This site looks terrific and very helpful.

Q: I purchased a used 395LM. Works great but need help with maps. I successfully upgraded to the 2020.20 map. The issue is that the unit also came with the Europe map installed in the internal drive. The SD card is new and empty.

Garmin says no way to get rid of the Europe map. I can't even find the image files in the Zumo directories.

Has anyone tried to reset a Zumo map to a default file? Is there a way to eliminate the Europe map?

Any help is appreciated.

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Regards, Blue Munoz

Really?

Of course there is a way to get rid of the EU map, assuming it was an added map and the original map was the NA one? Do a search for .img files, there will be a number of them but you're looking for the two largest ones in the order of Gb in size. The NA one should be named gmapprom.img unless you've renamed it, the other one will be the EU map which you can delete (copy it to your PC just in case so you can copy it back if something goes wrong).

Note the map files are in the hidden .system folder, see the FAQ here that explains how to reveal it

http://www.poi-factory.com/garmin/problemsolver#system-folde...

I see you're from Manassas, I enjoyed visiting the battlefields around there when I lived in Vienna, VA

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@sussamb

When I read the OP, I started to reply that I expected sussamb would know the answer. But, I figured you were just a keyboard away.

Of course, this is one of the reasons you are the COW.

USA...

USA all the way...j/k. Get rid of the maps you don't need or use and use what you need.

Back it all up 1st.

Make sure you do a full back up.

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Zumo 395LM (Is there a way to eliminate the Europe map?)

sussamb, thanks for your response. I've tried all suggestions and links on this forum. On my 395LM I cannot see hidden files and can't find the image files. I have Win 8.1 and all the hidden file options open. Yet, on the 395LM I still can't see any image files in the Garmin folder or others. Only the GarminDevice.xml file is what I can see.

I asked Garmin if I could send it to them to remove Europe and tech support didn't want to deal with it.

Guess I have keep the Europe map on the darn thing taking up space. sad

Vienna? I'm sure we travel the same back roads.

~Blue

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Regards, Blue Munoz

Just to be sure

BlueMunoz wrote:

sussamb, thanks for your response. I've tried all suggestions and links on this forum. On my 395LM I cannot see hidden files and can't find the image files. I have Win 8.1 and all the hidden file options open. Yet, on the 395LM I still can't see any image files in the Garmin folder or others. Only the GarminDevice.xml file is what I can see.

I asked Garmin if I could send it to them to remove Europe and tech support didn't want to deal with it.

Guess I have keep the Europe map on the darn thing taking up space. sad

Vienna? I'm sure we travel the same back roads.

~Blue

Just to be sure, please confirm you've:

1) switched your Garmin device to MS mode from MTP mode:

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/41416

and 2) besides showing hidden files, you also need to allow Protected Operating System files to be seen by unchecking a box in Folder Settings:

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/39185

If both are done, your PC should now show a folder called .system and within the .system folder, you will see many new files and folders.

MTP Mode vs Mass Storage Mode.

I suspect your Zumo is in the default MTP mode which prevents many of the folders (including the hidden .system folder) from showing up. You need to change it to mass storage mode. See this FAQ: http://www.poi-factory.com/node/41416

Edit: As often happens, CraigW is quicker than I am wink

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Worms

alandb wrote:

Edit: As often happens, CraigW is quicker than I am wink

But then, early birds have to eat worms. twisted

Getting Rid of Europe Maps

Thanks for the info. I'll try that approach next.

UPDATE: It worked. I can now see all the hidden files. Thanks again.

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Regards, Blue Munoz

Zumo 395LM (Is there a way to eliminate the Europe map?)

"assuming it was an added map and the original map was the NA one?"

Correct. NA was the original map. Previous owner added the Europa map from a Garmin purchased CD.

There are 3 .img files in the .System directory:

gmapbmap.img 49,852 KB
gmapprom.img 2,955,136 KB
gmaptz.img 570 KB

It appears that the Europe map is embedded into the gmapprom.img

Thanks for trying to help.

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Regards, Blue Munoz

Your maps

BlueMunoz wrote:

"assuming it was an added map and the original map was the NA one?"

Correct. NA was the original map. Previous owner added the Europa map from a Garmin purchased CD.

There are 3 .img files in the .System directory:

gmapbmap.img 49,852 KB
gmapprom.img 2,955,136 KB
gmaptz.img 570 KB

It appears that the Europe map is embedded into the gmapprom.img

Thanks for trying to help.

Your gmapbmap is the world-wide basemap with very little detail. It needs to be kept.

The gmaptz is a timezone map to correct your device's time of day depending on where you are. Keep it too.

The gmapprom is about the right size for North America.

Given the above, I think you may have yet another .img file or two for Europe. It could possibly be in a different folder than the above three maps or could be on a SD card folder if a SD card is present.

Tread carefully and don't do anything that can't be undone.

Exactly

The two maps can't be merged. Check for a map folder on your device or Garmin folder on your card. Either way search for *.img files. The gmapprom.img is the NA map file, the EU one is likely, but not necessarily, to be named gmapsupp.img

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Zumo 395LM (Is there a way to eliminate the Europe map?)

CraigW: "Given the above, I think you may have yet another .img file or two for Europe. It could possibly be in a different folder than the above three maps or could be on a SD card folder if a SD card is present."

You are correct. In the .System dir there is a Map dir with two more .img files: (D4919170A.img and D4935130A.img) in addition 6 other files (.gma and .unl).

BTW, I don't have an SD card installed.

These must be the Europe Map files. I suspect they are linked to files in the .System dir as well as other dirs.

Thanks for the "tread carefully" warning. I think I'm getting in too deep here. smile

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Regards, Blue Munoz

Zumo 395LM (Is there a way to eliminate the Europe map?)

sussamb wrote:

The two maps can't be merged. Check for a map folder on your device or Garmin folder on your card. Either way search for *.img files. The gmapprom.img is the NA map file, the EU one is likely, but not necessarily, to be named gmapsupp.img

I have not found a file called " gmapsupp.img"

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Regards, Blue Munoz

Ah

BlueMunoz wrote:

You are correct. In the .System dir there is a Map dir with two more .img files: (D4919170A.img and D4935130A.img) in addition 6 other files (.gma and .unl).

It's been reported here that the new map of Europe comes as two files so if your device's Europe map was added recently, two files sound right. Maybe someone with the map of Europe can report approximate filesizes for you to compare. I'll guess all of Europe may run 2-5GB so two files of 1-2.5GB each or so might be in the correct neighborhood for a map of Europe.

Before tinkering with a GPS device's files, the best way to protect yourself is to have a complete backup of all visible files (making sure you've switched to MS mode, see a .system folder, etc., etc.) to a computer hard drive so that if you delete or corrupt a needed file in the GPS, you can restore it from the backup.

Nearly as safe in my opinion if you're just trying to delete a map is to have a computer backup of the .img, .unl, and .gma files you plan to delete.

The quickest and simplest way to test a map removal is to just disable the file. You can do this by just renaming the two Dxxxxxxx.img files you think may be the map of Europe to Dxxxxxxx.img.disabled, then safely disconnect the GPS from the computer, reboot the GPS and see if Europe no longer shows up in the device's myMaps offerings. If gone, the disabled files are likely the map of Europe so you can rename them again to the Dxxxxxxx.img filenames, then cut and paste them to your computer (for backup again) while removing the map of Europe from the GPS and freeing up much more space than could be needed in the future for North America map updates.

My guess is that your two Dxxxxxxx.img files are the map of Europe unless your device offers special maps like the digital elevation overlay map, etc. offered on some device models. The .unl file is the unlock file needed by your GPS to know that you are entitled to have that map; i.e, it's not a pirated Garmin map, and the .gma file apparently is also an authentication file for maps installed from a SD card. For these maps to work, the data file(s) (.img), and unlock/authentication files are needed for the GPS to offer the map.

So if you find that the two Dxxxxxxx.img files are, in fact, the map of Europe and you want to remove the map from the GPS, removing the Dxxxxxxx.img files, and the related .unl and .gma files should remove the map as you wish. You may want to be safe and offer the file sizes and even filedates of your two Dxxxxxxx.img files and wait until someone else with a map of Europe reports back on what their map files show before you tinker with your files.

Your City Navigator North America map that I assume you want to keep also has .unl and maybe a .gma file so don't go and delete all .unl or .gma files willy nilly. wink

In case I've made an error or forgotten to mention something, be safe and have backups on a computer from all files you plan to disable or remove, and just to be sure, know that I take no responsibility for the accuracy of what I've said or the resulting effect on the ability of your GPS to work. twisted However, I and many here have removed maps and specialty files like Junction View files and our GPS devices, knock on wood, are still functioning.

In fact, there's even a FAQ here discussing the various files on a Garmin GPS that can be removed to free up space:

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/41876

Yep

Check myMaps on your device, if it's showing EU North and EU South then the files mentioned are the EU ones. Normally one of these would be in the .system folder, and one in a folder named Map, but in any case they will be the files you need to remove. I'd simply copy them off your device to your PC somewhere as you never know, they might come in handy in the future if you take a trip to Europe smile

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Zumo 395LM (Is there a way to eliminate the Europe map?)

CraigW, thank you for taking the time to provide the information. As suggested, I will cautiously back up all the files. I will tinker with the maps and see if I can eliminate Europe from my Zumo 395. I take full responsibility for tinkering with the maps and the damage I may cause to my GPS.

~Many thanks

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Regards, Blue Munoz

Zumo 395LM (Is there a way to eliminate the Europe map?)

Sussamb... In myMaps I have already deselected Europe and NA 2020 Foursquare. I only have NA 2020 selected. As I mentioned to CraigW, I will start tinkering with the maps and see what develops. Garmin has told me twice that EU can't be removed once it's added to the 395LM as an additional map. It's not my only GPS so lets see what happens. smile :) Backups and copies will help.

Thanks for the help.

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Regards, Blue Munoz

Europe Map

The Europe map on my nuvi 3590 SD card is located in a folder called maps and is 3,987,456 KB.

If there is a license for the updates for the Europe maps (they were from a CD) they should kept updated, on the computer at least, just in case.

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ChefDon

Another clue

Coming in a little late here.

Another way that might help is to be sure that "Details" is turned on while examining the files. In Windows Explorer it's in the upper right corner. In Win 7, it's the left icon under the "Search" input box. This will show the Name, Date modified, Type and Size.

If you've installed a map update recently, then all the pertinent files to keep should have the date of the install. One thing to remember is that "Moving" a file will keep the original time/date stamp and "Copying" a file will give the file a new time/date stamp.

The time/date stamp is especially helpful when determining which License files can be deleted. The License files don't always get deleted when installing a map update and after several map updates there can be a bunch of them since each map install puts 2 of them with the .img file. I've never had a problem, after a map update, with deleting the .gma files using the time/date stamp.

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JaVaWa

BlueMunoz wrote:

Sussamb... In myMaps I have already deselected Europe and NA 2020 Foursquare. I only have NA 2020 selected. As I mentioned to CraigW, I will start tinkering with the maps and see what develops. Garmin has told me twice that EU can't be removed once it's added to the 395LM as an additional map. It's not my only GPS so lets see what happens. smile :) Backups and copies will help.

Thanks for the help.

You could also try running JaVaWa's Device Manager, it will determine exactly what is on your device. Ignore the advice from Garmin, they are simply wrong smile

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Amazing!

sussamb wrote:
BlueMunoz wrote:

Sussamb... In myMaps I have already deselected Europe and NA 2020 Foursquare. I only have NA 2020 selected. As I mentioned to CraigW, I will start tinkering with the maps and see what develops. Garmin has told me twice that EU can't be removed once it's added to the 395LM as an additional map. It's not my only GPS so lets see what happens. smile :) Backups and copies will help.

Thanks for the help.

You could also try running JaVaWa's Device Manager, it will determine exactly what is on your device. Ignore the advice from Garmin, they are simply wrong smile

Sussamb, how long have you kept this from all of us? twisted

I'm tempted to try it now even though I think mine have no issues:

http://www.javawa.nl/jdm_en.html

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I second that

CraigW wrote:

...Sussamb, how long have you kept this from all of us? twisted ...

Why haven't any POI Factory members posted about JaVaWa if they knew about it?

dobs108 confused

JaVaWa

dobs108 wrote:
CraigW wrote:

...Sussamb, how long have you kept this from all of us? twisted ...

Why haven't any POI Factory members posted about JaVaWa if they knew about it?

dobs108 confused

JaVaWa has been around for a long time and has been a staple resource for "power" users of Mapsource and Basecamp … especially those with handheld, marine and other specialty devices that manage multiple maps from different sources on their devices. It has been mentioned several times over the past few years here on POI Factory, but it is usually not needed by users of Garmin automotive devices that install City Navigator maps with Garmin Express (or previously MapUpdater). I loaded it on my computer several years ago and played around with it to see what it would do, but I have never had an incident on any of my devices where I actually needed it to resolve a problem. Incidentally, I use BaseCamp occasionally to view or manage a route or trip log, but I am definitely not a "power user" of Basecamp.

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I prefer to use Delorme

I prefer to use Delorme Street Atlas 2015. Since Garmin bought them, I have been awaiting either a new combined program, or at least some incorporations from SA to BaseCamp. It doesn't appear that either scenario will happen.

IMHO, SA was the best Routing software going. Yes, I have Streets and Trips 2013, and it doesn't even come close.

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