How Long Would You Wait For a Red Light?

 

My wife and I were on vacation in Golden Colorado a couple of weeks ago and were were on our way to Denver airport to catch an early flight. We stopped for red red light and waited 6 full minutes but it didn't turn green. It was 2 AM and there was absolutely no traffic on the road. I backed up and pulled up to the stop line again thinking I didn't trip the timer. We waited another 4 minutes and still no green. Fearing we would miss our flight, I drove through the red light

Sure enough, a cop pulled out of a hidden spot and pulled us over. I told him I thought the light was broken. All he said was, "it's a long light". While he was checking my license, I continued to watch the light and it finally did turn green after another 4 minutes. The cop was nice enough though and let us go with a warning.

There is no doubt I broke the law but it raises the question as to how long must you legally wait for a traffic signal? Somehow, I think 14 minutes is excessive.

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Turn right,

then make a U-turn, and then turn right again. All these actions are legal IF signage does not state otherwise.

It is excessive

If you'd actually been ticketed despite what you said to the officer, I'd say this was complete BS. Sounds like a play on the old speed trap game where town officials do something to make the speed limit sign very hard to see and drop the speed from 55 mph to 20 mph with no warning, that kind of thing, and then ticket tourists driving through. Why would they do that? Because some municipalities get a majority of revenue from traffic tickets. And the traffic court judge is the sheriff's brother, etc.

I would not have waited as long as you did. But if something like this happens again, another good idea, besides the right-turn U-turn one, if that's not allowed there, and assuming you don't have a dashcam, is to turn on the camera on your cellphone and record the intersection for 5 minutes before driving on. Then if you get pulled over you can say, hey, obviously the light had been red long before I started recording... otherwise, why would I have started recording it?? Lights do get stuck.

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Other than

The “Trip wire” at some intersections sometimes there is a sensor up at the traffic light. Flash your high beam a couple of times to trigger it. But actually they are designed to sense headlights approaching and are supposed to change the light. That system is designed so the main road always is green until the sensor triggers a car coming on the secondary road.

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The longest I've waited

... was about 10 minutes a year ago, and that was to make a very safe and simple right hand turn onto a not very busy street with nothing blocking my view of any potential oncoming traffic. Sign on the post said "No Turn On Red". So I waited ... and waited ... and waited. Did the back and forth shuffle a couple of times to try and trip the sensor, to no avail.

The light for cross traffic changed three times in that span, along with a left turn arrow for traffic facing me who were turning left. So 6 cycles of lights ... and mine stayed red the entire time. I finally said "The Hell with it" and made my right turn, otherwise I might still be there.

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Melaqueman wrote:

The “Trip wire” at some intersections sometimes there is a sensor up at the traffic light. Flash your high beam a couple of times to trigger it. But actually they are designed to sense headlights approaching and are supposed to change the light. That system is designed so the main road always is green until the sensor triggers a car coming on the secondary road.

What happens when a vehicles doesn't have lights on, not every car has day time running lights.

The light sensors popular in my area look similar to a camera pointed down at the stop line area from the pole the signals are on, they detect a change in the pixels of the "photo" it's taking thus triggering the change sequence.

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Not Legal

mr55 wrote:

then make a U-turn, and then turn right again. All these actions are legal IF signage does not state otherwise.

I would have made a right and u turn but the intersection was posted "No Turn on Red".

Perhaps

Lost Anyway wrote:

If you'd actually been ticketed despite what you said to the officer, I'd say this was complete BS. Sounds like a play on the old speed trap game where town officials do something to make the speed limit sign very hard to see and drop the speed from 55 mph to 20 mph with no warning, that kind of thing, and then ticket tourists driving through. Why would they do that? Because some municipalities get a majority of revenue from traffic tickets. And the traffic court judge is the sheriff's brother, etc.

I would not have waited as long as you did. But if something like this happens again, another good idea, besides the right-turn U-turn one, if that's not allowed there, and assuming you don't have a dashcam, is to turn on the camera on your cellphone and record the intersection for 5 minutes before driving on. Then if you get pulled over you can say, hey, obviously the light had been red long before I started recording... otherwise, why would I have started recording it?? Lights do get stuck.

I also thought it might have been a variation of the old speed trap but the cop didn't give me a ticket. Maybe it was and he just had mercy on an old couple trying to get to the airport.

Recording with a smartphone is a good idea though.

suspicious

2 a.m., no traffic, stuck light, and hidden cop sure sounds like a city revenue program. Surprising, but nice that he didn't ticket you.

I was once told by a cop, and later saw the same comment on the local news, that cities in Utah were more inclined to give warnings with mandatory traffic school, because the local city or county keeps most of the traffic school "fee". With a formal citation fine, the state gubmint rakes something like 75% off the top before the city gets anything.

Run into this issue often on

Run into this issue often on the motorcycle. Wait 2 min, look both ways then go.

Here in the socialist state of IL, they even have something about this in the rules of the road.

https://www.ilsos.gov/departments/drivers/traffic_safety/mcy...

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Stoplights

If a red light fails to turn green after 120 seconds, a motorcycle rider may proceed through the intersection after yielding the right-of-way to on coming traffic.
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Wonder how this applies to cars. I've run into some lights that are just too long (4-5 min).

Golden, CO. Why am I not

Golden, CO.

Why am I not surprised?

Though could've been worse, I suppose. This could've been in Denver. Or worse, Boulder.

We have one light in town

We have one light in town here that stays red for a looooooooong time. Well over 5 min at times.

Called the local PD to report. When mentioned the the mcy law above, she had no idea it even existed.

We are talking about night time

soberbyker wrote:
Melaqueman wrote:

The “Trip wire” at some intersections sometimes there is a sensor up at the traffic light. Flash your high beam a couple of times to trigger it. But actually they are designed to sense headlights approaching and are supposed to change the light. That system is designed so the main road always is green until the sensor triggers a car coming on the secondary road.

What happens when a vehicles doesn't have lights on, not every car has day time running lights.

The light sensors popular in my area look similar to a camera pointed down at the stop line area from the pole the signals are on, they detect a change in the pixels of the "photo" it's taking thus triggering the change sequence.

These light sensors o ONLY work in the dark, so if you are driving without lights on then !!!!!

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Hmmmm...

This whole thread makes me think of

How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie-pop?

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ok then

Melaqueman wrote:
soberbyker wrote:
Melaqueman wrote:

The “Trip wire” at some intersections sometimes there is a sensor up at the traffic light. Flash your high beam a couple of times to trigger it. But actually they are designed to sense headlights approaching and are supposed to change the light. That system is designed so the main road always is green until the sensor triggers a car coming on the secondary road.

What happens when a vehicles doesn't have lights on, not every car has day time running lights.

The light sensors popular in my area look similar to a camera pointed down at the stop line area from the pole the signals are on, they detect a change in the pixels of the "photo" it's taking thus triggering the change sequence.

These light sensors o ONLY work in the dark, so if you are driving without lights on then !!!!!

The traffic light sensors I'm referring to work 24-7 , never heard of traffic light sensors that are in effect only in the dark. They look similar to this (on the pole in between the two traffic lights):

https://cdn-djhbb.nitrocdn.com/mxVOOGnYcDQDMzXuDuZBiNHSQqhAA...

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Agree.

soberbyker wrote:

The traffic light sensors I'm referring to work 24-7 , never heard of traffic light sensors that are in effect only in the dark. They look similar to this (on the pole in between the two traffic lights):

https://cdn-djhbb.nitrocdn.com/mxVOOGnYcDQDMzXuDuZBiNHSQqhAA...

Wouldn't make sense in my area of the world to install a light control that doesn't work after dark. Heck, in the middle of winter, we are dark for 15 hours or more a day!

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I know it well

Lost Anyway wrote:

Sounds like a play on the old speed trap game where town officials do something to make the speed limit sign very hard to see and drop the speed from 55 mph to 20 mph with no warning, that kind of thing, and then ticket tourists driving through. Why would they do that? Because some municipalities get a majority of revenue from traffic tickets. And the traffic court judge is the sheriff's brother, etc.

I actually saw one of those scenarios back in the late 1950s. My family was driving along a highway when my father suddenly slowed down dramatically. When my mother asked him for the reason, he said that we had just entered such and such a town.

He said that there had recently been an article in our home town newspaper where the reporter had noticed that the budget that all unincorporated towns were required to file with the state showed that this particular town paid its entire budget with revenue from speeding tickets.

About 10 seconds later a brand new Oldsmobile police car came past us, and a quarter mile down the road it had an out-of-state car pulled over.

In subsequent years the thought has occurred to me that the later creation of an Interstate highway through that area must have thrown a major wrench in the economy of that town's government.

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I'm one of those people

who don't accept stupid responses I guess.

A red light that lasts 4 minutes, is not functioning, so I'd do what you did.

For a cop to "appear" out of nowhere, pull me over, and tell me it's a long light, I'd suggest that it's malfunctioning.

If as a result I get a summons? So be it, it doesn't change the fact that it was a stupid statement.

I told the story of pulling over where a cop was on his phone in a parking lot, to ask him about the school bus reds laws in PA.

He told me oh you can't get a suspension because you get convicted of a school bus violation. That's 100% wrong, and told me that cops aren't necessarily up on the laws they enforce, just like a salesperson selling AC doesn't know the refrigeration cycle, nor does a car service advisor know anything at all about cars.

So I don't accept the police officer's response. There was a time when they were very human. I got into a heated exchange that was a Seinfeld episode on the corner of W 8th and Ave of Americas across from Grays Papaya in the Village many years ago (story could be a Seinfeld episode was sort of like when Jerry took the bread away from the old lady). So the cops were shouting at me and said you're getting a summons for giving old people a hard time.

By the time we were done we shook hands and the cop told me to stay in B school, don't get some stupid idea you want to be a cop. This was in the 1990s. Today the outcome might be bad for me.

Welll...

Now I'm not against the cops...

But.. on the other hand, when we give all this "legitimate" authority to those "under color" AND then pay them $3.25 / hour.. what kind of answers do you expect?

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$ 3.25/hour ?

I had a long conversation about 40 years ago in Daytona Beach with a young police officer and he told me then his annual pay was about $ 20.000,00. Which would have been about $ 10.00 hour.
So where does this $ 3.25 comes from.

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If The Cop Had Issued a Citation..

johnnatash4 wrote:

who don't accept stupid responses I guess.

A red light that lasts 4 minutes, is not functioning, so I'd do what you did.

For a cop to "appear" out of nowhere, pull me over, and tell me it's a long light, I'd suggest that it's malfunctioning.

If as a result I get a summons? So be it, it doesn't change the fact that it was a stupid statement.

If The cop Had Issued a Citation, I would have been more inclined to argue. If the incident had occurred close to home, I would have gone to court with video of the 14 minute light and argued my case before the judge. Flying back to Colorado for a court appearance however wouldn't have been practical. Thankfully, none of the above was necessary.

the key point

bdhsfz6 wrote:

If The cop Had Issued a Citation, I would have been more inclined to argue. If the incident had occurred close to home, I would have gone to court with video of the 14 minute light and argued my case before the judge. Flying back to Colorado for a court appearance however wouldn't have been practical. Thankfully, none of the above was necessary.

That is the key point about giving a citation to an out-of-towner. There is no way he would plead innocent, and he is forced to pay the fine even if there is evidence in his favor.

What was trying to be imparted was

Melaqueman wrote:

I had a long conversation about 40 years ago in Daytona Beach with a young police officer and he told me then his annual pay was about $ 20.000,00. Which would have been about $ 10.00 hour.
So where does this $ 3.25 comes from.

We tend to give people lots of "legitimate authority" AND then pay substandard wages to them.

Since they are paid substandard, we tend to get individuals that aren't well suited to being able to think about "what might be" REASONABLE.

Would you go to a cardiologist for a serious cardiac issue and expect top-rate service paying minimum wage as a general observation?

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Avoiding an Intersection and Running a Red Light

mr55 wrote:

then make a U-turn, and then turn right again. All these actions are legal IF signage does not state otherwise.

In some jurisdiction like nyc doing that will result in two traffic violations (running a red light and avoiding an intersection). I used to drive to school in the early morning. One light was really long. I would drive into a gas station and come out the other side. I almost got written up for two tickets, except the cops were too lazy to write the tickets. They lectured me instead.

Subsequent to that I did ride a city bus where the driver ran all of the red lights, and he also cut through a gas station to avoid a red light. I was glad to see that I was not the only person doing this.

bdhsfz6 wrote: There is no

bdhsfz6 wrote:

There is no doubt I broke the law but it raises the question as to how long must you legally wait for a traffic signal? Somehow, I think 14 minutes is excessive.

I would wait about 5 minutes. Recording with a cell phone seems like a good idea.

Stupid question time

Considering almost everyone these days has a cell phone and there seems to be celluar coverage for the majority of the U.S. land mass, why wouldn't you call the cops and inform them of a malfunctioning traffic light before you take any action on your own?

Seems like notifying the cops does 2 things.

1. The call is recorded, hence a permanent record that could be discovered for litigation if necessary for self / other litigation..

2. If there's a problem, perhaps those in control automated traffic signal devices might be able to re-boot or otherwise resolve the problem remotely.

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The officer knew that light was 'long'

bdhsfz6 wrote:

My wife and I were on vacation in Golden Colorado a couple of weeks ago and were were on our way to Denver airport to catch an early flight. We stopped for red red light and waited 6 full minutes but it didn't turn green. It was 2 AM and there was absolutely no traffic on the road. I backed up and pulled up to the stop line again thinking I didn't trip the timer. We waited another 4 minutes and still no green. Fearing we would miss our flight, I drove through the red light

Sure enough, a cop pulled out of a hidden spot and pulled us over. I told him I thought the light was broken. All he said was, "it's a long light". While he was checking my license, I continued to watch the light and it finally did turn green after another 4 minutes. The cop was nice enough though and let us go with a warning.

There is no doubt I broke the law but it raises the question as to how long must you legally wait for a traffic signal? Somehow, I think 14 minutes is excessive.

They may sit around at times doing nothing, but waiting at a long light because it is a 'target rich environment' is similar to a speed trap. Like baiting game. You know there's going to be people breaking the law there because of a device out of adjustment. If you were younger, or had purple hair or anything out of the norm, it may have escalated into something more. I'm not a fan of that behavior.

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BarneyBadass wrote:

Considering almost everyone these days has a cell phone and there seems to be celluar coverage for the majority of the U.S. land mass, why wouldn't you call the cops and inform them of a malfunctioning traffic light before you take any action on your own?

Seems like notifying the cops does 2 things.

1. The call is recorded, hence a permanent record that could be discovered for litigation if necessary for self / other litigation..

2. If there's a problem, perhaps those in control automated traffic signal devices might be able to re-boot or otherwise resolve the problem remotely.

I drive for a living, basically in Philadelphia, PA. I've called in malfunctioning lights many times, in an area I'm in all day long. Sometimes it take 2 or 3 days for them to come out and take care of it.

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Reporting The Light Malfunction is a good Idea But...

When travelling in an unfamiliar area, it's sometimes tough to know who to call when you don't know the jurisdiction you are in.

Seems like a trivial matter to call 911.

I was

soberbyker wrote:
BarneyBadass wrote:

Considering almost everyone these days has a cell phone and there seems to be celluar coverage for the majority of the U.S. land mass, why wouldn't you call the cops and inform them of a malfunctioning traffic light before you take any action on your own?

Seems like notifying the cops does 2 things.

1. The call is recorded, hence a permanent record that could be discovered for litigation if necessary for self / other litigation..

2. If there's a problem, perhaps those in control automated traffic signal devices might be able to re-boot or otherwise resolve the problem remotely.

I drive for a living, basically in Philadelphia, PA. I've called in malfunctioning lights many times, in an area I'm in all day long. Sometimes it take 2 or 3 days for them to come out and take care of it.

On Kelly drive 6/24/22 @ 17:14 EDT per the pic (dash cam might still be available). There was an 18 wheeler whose trailer said PRIME inc.com, # and plate is visible. Who the heck knows what transporation co. was hauling it. No way his dispatcher or GPS told him to get on Kelly Drive. Seems with the driver shortage and high pay nowadays lots of precarious drivers. Long ago I tried one of those 800#'s leading to a safety dept. but it was useless so I don't bother calling anyone anymore...

A few years ago when BMWs used to be hauled covered, I saw a tractor trailer clip a railroad bridge on Wynnefield Ave, destroying all the BMWs on the top level. My buddy used to tell me 11'8" doesn't really mean that, it means something less due to varying conditions. When this accident took place, the road was covered with snow.

https://billypenn.com/2020/10/20/truck-kelly-drive-crashes-b...

FWIW

johnnatash4 wrote:

On Kelly drive 6/24/22 @ 17:14 EDT per the pic (dash cam might still be available). There was an 18 wheeler whose trailer said PRIME inc.com, # and plate is visible. Who the heck knows what transporation co. was hauling it. No way his dispatcher or GPS told him to get on Kelly Drive. Seems with the driver shortage and high pay nowadays lots of precarious drivers. Long ago I tried one of those 800#'s leading to a safety dept. but it was useless so I don't bother calling anyone anymore...

~snip~

Prime, Inc, IS a transportation company.

https://www.primeinc.com/

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what

soberbyker wrote:
johnnatash4 wrote:

On Kelly drive 6/24/22 @ 17:14 EDT per the pic (dash cam might still be available). There was an 18 wheeler whose trailer said PRIME inc.com, # and plate is visible. Who the heck knows what transporation co. was hauling it. No way his dispatcher or GPS told him to get on Kelly Drive. Seems with the driver shortage and high pay nowadays lots of precarious drivers. Long ago I tried one of those 800#'s leading to a safety dept. but it was useless so I don't bother calling anyone anymore...

~snip~

Prime, Inc, IS a transportation company.

https://www.primeinc.com/

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I mean is likely the job was brokered out because the tractor looked like one of those gliders from the late 90's. i.e. just because a trailer says Walmart doesn't mean it's being hauled by a Walmart owned tractor or Walmart's transportation subsidiary. But sure it looks bad for Prime because that's what people see, their name.

Image is Everything !

camerabob wrote:

They may sit around at times doing nothing, but waiting at a long light because it is a 'target rich environment' is similar to a speed trap. Like baiting game. You know there's going to be people breaking the law there because of a device out of adjustment. If you were younger, or had purple hair or anything out of the norm, it may have escalated into something more. I'm not a fan of that behavior.

About 50 years ago I worked with a guy who deliberately played this game. He lived over 70 miles from work, but at that time there were relatively few people living along the highway he took to work, so traffic was very light. He deliberately drove about 20 MPH over the limit and was pulled over multiple times, but never got a ticket.

He was in his mid-60s and looked very much like Santa Claus, creating a helpful image. In addition, he intentionally put a very visible decal on the driver's side vent window that said, "Support Your Local Police!".

With those two factors on his side, he received multiple lectures, but never got a ticket . . .

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How Long Would You Wait For A Red Light?

In Pennsylvania we have a "Ride on Red" law. For years motorcycle riders complained about sensored lights that wouldn't change because the bike wasn't heavy enough to 'trip' the wire in the ground so a law was passed that they could run the light, a few years later the law was amended to include all vehicles.

https://www.wgal.com/article/ride-on-red-law-allows-pennsylv...

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would

soberbyker wrote:

In Pennsylvania we have a "Ride on Red" law. For years motorcycle riders complained about sensored lights that wouldn't change because the bike wasn't heavy enough to 'trip' the wire in the ground so a law was passed that they could run the light, a few years later the law was amended to include all vehicles.

https://www.wgal.com/article/ride-on-red-law-allows-pennsylvania-drivers-to-drive-through-some-red-lights-1/6242933

be interesting to see how summonses are dealt with and if this law ever nullified a fine? There are times when I think PA (esp some of the administration) makes things up.

First of all, does inductive wiring have a dependency on weight? 2/3 of our cars have inductive wiring in the door handles so that the door unlocks when a hand is there. It doesn't "weigh" the hand. lol

If one were to say a bike can't be positioned effectively to be detected, yeah, possible. But to expand it to cars? lol

That law was passed when the

That law was passed when the trip mechanism was a "weight activated" plate in the lane. A 12"x10' mechanical switch activated by the action of wheels pressing the plate down as the vehicle approached and stopped at the light.

Eventually they have all been replaced by the inductive wiring loop, and now by visual detection by cameras. The laws just haven't caught up with the technology, or the laws would be changed again.

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Hmmn.

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He was in his mid-60s and looked very much like Santa Claus, creating a helpful image.

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I'm 75 with gray hair & beard. Maybe that's why I didn't get a ticket mrgreen

Also From PA.

soberbyker wrote:

In Pennsylvania we have a "Ride on Red" law. For years motorcycle riders complained about sensored lights that wouldn't change because the bike wasn't heavy enough to 'trip' the wire in the ground so a law was passed that they could run the light, a few years later the law was amended to include all vehicles.

https://www.wgal.com/article/ride-on-red-law-allows-pennsylvania-drivers-to-drive-through-some-red-lights-1/6242933

I'm aware of this law in PA. but I don't see anything that states how long a light must remain red before it is considered "unresponsive". It seems to leave the interpretation up to the motorist.

Another way

You can buy "Neodymium magnets" and mount 1 or 2 on the underside of a motorcycle and they will trigger the buried wires at an intersection.

How do I know? Because I've done it !

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Have you tried the complete experiment?

Melaqueman wrote:

You can buy "Neodymium magnets" and mount 1 or 2 on the underside of a motorcycle and they will trigger the buried wires at an intersection.

How do I know? Because I've done it !

Have you tried the complete experiment? By this I mean removing the magnets and seeing if the traffic light sensor becomes unresponsive as it was before you added the magnets. This would show that nothing else changed that you might not have known about.

me too

Melaqueman wrote:

You can buy "Neodymium magnets" and mount 1 or 2 on the underside of a motorcycle and they will trigger the buried wires at an intersection.

How do I know? Because I've done it !

Plus if you position the bike over the cuts in the road with the magnet, it would normally work.

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Sort of

minke wrote:

Have you tried the complete experiment? By this I mean removing the magnets and seeing if the traffic light sensor becomes unresponsive as it was before you added the magnets. This would show that nothing else changed that you might not have known about.

I know there were some lights that would not change before finding out about the magnets that did after I installed them.

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2016

phranc wrote:

That law was passed when the trip mechanism was a "weight activated" plate in the lane. A 12"x10' mechanical switch activated by the action of wheels pressing the plate down as the vehicle approached and stopped at the light.

Eventually they have all been replaced by the inductive wiring loop, and now by visual detection by cameras. The laws just haven't caught up with the technology, or the laws would be changed again.

2016 the law passed in PA and long after that rubber plate in the road was fazed out.

The popular light changer at the time was the inductive-loop traffic detectors that motorcycles didn't have enough metal to break the loops magnetic field in order to change the light. The law was eventually expanded to cover all vehicles.

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What Does Pennsylvania’s Ride on Red Law Mean For Me?
The Ride on Red law applies to all vehicles, but it is not an excuse to treat any red light like a stop sign. The red light must be deemed as malfunctioning.

The benefit to motorists is that you will no longer be stuck at a malfunctioning red light, unsure of how you may legally proceed. This law allows motorists to use common sense to safely and legally drive through a red light, if the situation applies.

The Ride on Red law does not specify how long a vehicle must be waiting at a red light before it’s considered to be malfunctioning. Rather, PennDOT and the Pennsylvania State Police simply encourage motorists to use common sense. For example, look for a signal that is completely dark, frozen or goes through several cycles without giving you a green light. In such instances, use your best judgement and proceed through the intersection as you would if the light was a stop sign.

How Does The Ride on Red Law Work?
To further explain how to safely and legally use the Ride on Red law, here are several steps to follow:

Fully assess the situation and use common sense to determine if the stop light is malfunctioning and/or not recognizing the presence of your vehicle.
Wait until all other cars who have the green light proceed through the intersection.
Check the intersection for any other approaching vehicles or pedestrians who may be crossing the street.
If clear, cautiously proceed through the intersection.

https://www.cmlaw1.com/need-know-pennsylvanias-ride-red-law/

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Very informative stuff.

Very informative stuff.

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Interesting Thread

Good read here. I did not know they had oncoming headlight sensors for some of the traffic sensor intersections.

3 min, About right

IMHO, it was clearly a money trap

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I'm not aware of any traffic

I'm not aware of any traffic light that has signal change sequence activation by headlights. There are traffic lights that will change the light for approaching emergency vehicles responding, but this is not available (legally) on non-emergency vehicles. Flashing your headlights sounds good but it is fiction.

Why this might have been a setup

camerabob wrote:

They may sit around at times doing nothing, but waiting at a long light because it is a 'target rich environment' is similar to a speed trap. Like baiting game. You know there's going to be people breaking the law there because of a device out of adjustment. If you were younger, or had purple hair or anything out of the norm, it may have escalated into something more. I'm not a fan of that behavior.

Agreed. bdhsfz6 didn't get ticketed, but his finally going against the light did give the lying-in-wait cop an excuse to stop the car, and if there had been another issue, an outstanding warrant, contraband seen through the window, smell of marijuana, etc., the cop would have been able to make an arrest. If it was a setup, I suspect that's why.

Fun thread--good discussion.

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Just becaue

sunsetrunner wrote:

I'm not aware of any traffic light that has signal change sequence activation by headlights. There are traffic lights that will change the light for approaching emergency vehicles responding, but this is not available (legally) on non-emergency vehicles. Flashing your headlights sounds good but it is fiction.

You are not aware of this feature does not make it not so.
There will be a small sensor mounted near the traffic light itself.

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