In Dash GPS

 

Do any of the car manufacturers install a Garmin Nav unit that is actually able to be updated with LM and POIs just like a portable unit?

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Frank DriveSmart55 37.322760, -79.511267

Not that I know of, & Yes

phranc wrote:

Do any of the car manufacturers install a Garmin Nav unit that is actually able to be updated with LM and POIs just like a portable unit?

Lifetime maps, haven't heard of that but yes, you can load POI's, see here:

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/39623

and a thread on the 430N here:

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/39590

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. 2 Garmin DriveSmart 61 LMT-S, Nuvi 2689, 2 Nuvi 2460, Zumo 550, Zumo 450, Uniden R3 radar detector with GPS built in, includes RLC info. Uconnect 430N Garmin based, built into my Jeep. .

Map Updates

The custom POI's is sort of an aside. I only have a few that I use, but the Map Updates is the important thing. I don't see why it can't be done. The 2797 has a 7" screen which means that the unit could be a prime candidate for an easy option for the car makers.

I think that the car makers have not really put out anything to the GPS makers to make it worth while for them to create a workable solution.

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Frank DriveSmart55 37.322760, -79.511267

multifunction

phranc wrote:

I think that the car makers have not really put out anything to the GPS makers to make it worth while for them to create a workable solution.

The units by car manufacturers are multi-function which the 2797 is not. In order to get that capability they provide their own programming and because it is different, they can control the format of the files and the way they load. Yes, they could standardize on either Garmin or Tom-Tom but then they wouldn't be able to charge the prices they do for a fairly mundane item.

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The Automotive Market

Is heading down the smartphone connected app route...

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*Keith* MacBook Pro *wifi iPad(2012) w/BadElf GPS & iPhone6 + Navigon*

Uconnect in dash system

Chrysler/Dodge/ Jeep and Dodge currently have systems that will take upload POI files, IF done correctly.
I have been researching this very subject since I have recently purchased a Chrysler 300C. The vehicle is awesome and it has a Uconnect radio/Nav system that is state of the art as they say.
I have been wanting to load onto the GARMIN nav system POI files that will alert me when I am entering a red light/speed camera areas.
I have loaded POI files onto my Garmin nuvi2555 that does exactly that! Having said that I wanted to see if I could load the same files onto the Garmin in my Chrysler Uconnect system. Easier said than done.
There is a way and a lot of the procedure depends on the software version found in the Uconnect system found in the specific vehicle.It is a doable thing, but you will need a way to upload files into the Uconnect system. The newer units have a SD disk drive as well as a USB port on board which allows for the install of a few files.

In dash.. Mazda

On boot up the TomTom flash screen appeared. As I drove through town, the unit showed railroad tracks that have been gone for 40 years. There are buildings on the old ROW. West of town, those tracks were removed 50 years ago.

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Lincoln?

That's great news for a Chrysler. Does anybody have a method of doing this on a 2011 Lincoln MKS?

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Map Updates

For me, the map updates (or lack thereof) are the biggest killer for onboard GPS. I bought my car 4 months ago and the maps are already out of date here in the Dallas area. My Garmin, however, has several of the changes already incorporated and, with 4 map updates a year, tends to stay a little more up to date.

I will eventually be able to get updated maps for the car but I believe they run around $200 and I have no idea what updates they may contain.

What I Thought

Those are my thoughts. The software was installed in the units then shipped to the car manufacturer maybe as much as 6 months before they were installed. By the time the consumer gets them, they are out of date. then there is a great expense to update maybe only once a year.

Not a viable option as far as I'm concerned. Although the ease of use and integration may be really attractive, I think I and a lot of others are spoiled by the updatability of the portable units.

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Frank DriveSmart55 37.322760, -79.511267

To use a cliche - "Follow the money"

Box Car wrote:

Yes, they could standardize on either Garmin or Tom-Tom but then they wouldn't be able to charge the prices they do for a fairly mundane item.

I think that this is the primary reason that you don't see an auto manufacturer offer a built-in GPS from a "standard" GPS manufacturer. If you look at the prices that are typically charged for a yearly (not even quarterly !) map update, it's clear that the built-in GPS is being treated as a profit center for the manufacturer and its dealers.

- Tom -

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Good Thread Thanks

This is a good thread thanks for the info.

Somewhat Related

We bought a car a few years ago. Vehicle was a dealer locator/trade with GPS radio combination already installed. $1000 option. We asked to have the GPS radio removed as we had a Garmin we preferred. Wasn't possible so I asked the salesman how the maps would be updated on the unit since we knew the manufacture date of the vehicle was over 6 months prior to our purchase. His answer was that the map would automatically update itself with data from the satellites. When the vehicle was delivered, the maps were quite outdated and lacked a major tollway that had opened over a year prior. And not surprisingly no satellite updates. The dealership ended up paying for the map update DVD.

Garmin (Taiwan) Navtune 7190

Garmin Taiwan does sell this 7" model to the general public and after-market shops.

The maps and firmware are updatable through the same Garmin route.

The model is integrated to the vichle's AV system and loaded with features.

It is available only in Taiwan, however sad , and you need to be fluent in Chinese to navigate through the Garmin website.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&pre...

Two different units

When I bought my Ram, There were two different manufacturers available for the in dash units. One was a garmin and the other was Magellan. With the Garmin I was able to load POI's but the Magellan couldn't. I went with the Garmin. There is no option for lifetime updates with either of these systems. They make them proprietary so you have to get the updates through Chrysler at an inflated price.

Don't have one yet but

I think the in dash unit would be so great that a once a year $200 fee would be worth the money.
Now to get my husband to see this is another problem.

We are buying a car or truck this year. We buy a new car ever 10 years and our Odyssey is a 2004 so it's time. I am looking for a new Odyssey but my husband wants a Prius or something like that or a new truck.
His Dodge Ram is old and maybe a new one.

We are in the looking stage but I hope to get a Garmin in what ever we get..... AND it must have a built in GPS... smile

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Mary, Nuvi 2450, Garmin Viago, Honda Navigation, Nuvi 750 (gave to son)

onboard vs standalone

jwillum wrote:

For me, the map updates (or lack thereof) are the biggest killer for onboard GPS. I bought my car 4 months ago and the maps are already out of date here in the Dallas area. My Garmin, however, has several of the changes already incorporated and, with 4 map updates a year, tends to stay a little more up to date.

I will eventually be able to get updated maps for the car but I believe they run around $200 and I have no idea what updates they may contain.

For my 2013 Jeep the onboard (a Garmin product) update lists at $149. I too am spoiled by the 4 times a year updates for my 2460.

However, before I bought the Jeep and was using my standalone unit I didn't have it hooked and and ready to go at all times. Now with the onboard I hit two buttons and I'm seeing a way around the traffic jam or construction detour I just ran into in an area I know my way though but not the entire area.

I've had lifetime updates for my standalone units back before a lot of units offered them as part of the package, I always bought the subscription, and honestly, in my built up area, I don't see what updates there were each time. I guess once a year updates for the Jeep will be good enough, albeit expensive.

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. 2 Garmin DriveSmart 61 LMT-S, Nuvi 2689, 2 Nuvi 2460, Zumo 550, Zumo 450, Uniden R3 radar detector with GPS built in, includes RLC info. Uconnect 430N Garmin based, built into my Jeep. .

2012 Suzuki Grand Vitara

has a pretty tricky on board navigation setup. There is a flip up hatch on the dash which houses a concealed, removable Garmin Nulink 2390. The unit snaps out of its housing and connects to a PC via USB. POI's and map updates work the same as with other Garmin units. No lifetime map updates are available for the 2390 though. You have to pay $80 for each update.

Beats the Heck

Beats the heck out of $200 a year.

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Frank DriveSmart55 37.322760, -79.511267

@ virtually lost

Get a Chrysler LOL

We bought the Accord last year

And this year they offered us the Map Update for $95.
We are waiting till next year. May update every other year...

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Mary, Nuvi 2450, Garmin Viago, Honda Navigation, Nuvi 750 (gave to son)

Good to see

It is good to see that some manufacturers are starting to bring down the cost of map updates to a somewhat reasonable amount. Hopefully they will someday offer reasonably priced lifetime updates on these built in nav systems. I could definitely see the German consortium that bought Here doing this.

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

Uconnect = DANGER Will Robinson!

snapline wrote:

Chrysler/Dodge/ Jeep and Dodge currently have systems that will take upload POI files, IF done correctly.
I have been researching this very subject since I have recently purchased a Chrysler 300C. The vehicle is awesome and it has a Uconnect radio/Nav system that is state of the art as they say....

You might want to read the latest news on this:
http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-high...

I work in the Detroit automotive industry and I can tell you that any car with UConnect is dangerous to be on the road.

Tell Chrysler you want to disable over-the-air firmware updates on your car. It's more dangerous that people have been led to believe.

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