What to do in a hailstorm?

 

I need everyone's opinion on this. Help settle an argument between me and my wife.

If you are driving down an interstate at a moderate 80 mph or so and you encounter a hailstorm, do you pull over and wait on the shoulder or just keep going?

And you are not under an overpass or something like that.

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN
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Driving at 80 miles in a hailstorm

Driving at 80 miles in a hailstorm is a recipe for disaster. One the impact of the hail is tremendous on the windshield, the visibility is not that great and driving on top of it is more slippery. It is better to be safe than sorry. If you are not convinced on what to do with all the information many members of this site gave to you, you only have 2 things to do. 1st: Next time you encounter a hailstorm in front of you continue to see if you are right. 2nd: Next time pull over and compere you experience. Only this way you are going to learn.

Good luck

Yuuup

Icedog wrote:

Driving at 80 miles in a hailstorm is a recipe for disaster. One the impact of the hail is tremendous on the windshield, the visibility is not that great and driving on top of it is more slippery. It is better to be safe than sorry. If you are not convinced on what to do with all the information many members of this site gave to you, you only have 2 things to do. 1st: Next time you encounter a hailstorm in front of you continue to see if you are right. 2nd: Next time pull over and compere you experience. Only this way you are going to learn.

Good luck

I already did the first.

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

Hail Storm

Most certainly get off at the nearest exit or if no exit is close, pull to the side with 4-way hazard flasher on until the storm passes.

If I'm lucky, I can get under an overpass.

Curious

Tuckahoemike wrote:

Seems it would depend on the size of the hailstones. Less than nickel size should be OK to drive in. Baseball size, certainly not. In either case driving 80mph is a real risk. Best bet is to slow down, and if the hailstones become large, to stop.
I was in a hailstorm some years ago where the hailstones were softball size--large enough to kill someone. They did break out the rear window of my rental car.

I agree that with small hailstones, you can keep on driving, and of course, baseball-size hail is relatively rare… though what starts as nickel-size hail can get bigger in seconds in a storm.

I'm curious: did the rental company charge you for the damage to the car in the hailstorm which was certainly not your fault and is in the Act of God category? Rental contracts are extremely one-sided and many times, rental car companies have gone after people for things that weren't their fault especially with customers who didn't buy their ridiculously priced insurance.

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Yeah, you gotta stop

The exponential speed of the hail and your car could cause so much more damage than if you were sitting still.

I'd say pull over and hunker down.

Pull over

and wait on the shoulder until the hail stops.

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Head on collision and walking or running in the rain

In case your wife doesn't have an answer....

2 cars of identical weight and construction hitting head on at 50 mph is like a car at 50 mph hitting an immovable flat surface. It is just like having a steel plate (or piece of saran wrap) between the cars. One car prevents the other from crossing an imaginary plane.

It is identical to a car going 100 mph hitting a car that is initially stationary, not an immovable surface. The stationary car would yield, but the immovable surface would not.

High school physics explains this, but it's nice a demonstration does, too.

In the rain, you body must pass every point between you and your destination. The water in that volume of air will wet you no matter how fast you travel. However, rain also falls on you if you are standing still, so getting out of the rain as fast as possible should be your objective.

Exponential?

donbadabon wrote:

The exponential speed of the hail and your car could cause so much more damage than if you were sitting still.

I'd say pull over and hunker down.

I assume you meant incremental?

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I would not be driving... I

I would not be driving... I would move my car under some kind of underpass or get off the road and drive to a covered garage... Don't want my baby damaged.

Perhaps

alandb wrote:
donbadabon wrote:

The exponential speed of the hail and your car could cause so much more damage than if you were sitting still.

I'd say pull over and hunker down.

I assume you meant incremental?

Not necessarily.

I have no way of knowing the intent of "donbadabon", but he could have meant "incremental" or he could have meant "exponential". Either word would be correct, depending upon whether or not he intended to write "speed" or actually intended to write "energy".

"Incremental" is obviously correct when used with "speed", but the actual damage is related to the energy dissipated by the hail impacting upon the car. Energy is related to the square of the speed of impact, so "exponential" would have been correct if he had written "energy" instead of "speed".

With best wishes,
- Tom -

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Airliners and hail

avandyke wrote:
Gastx wrote:

What do airliners do in a hailstorm???

They get hit. However, since airliners don't fly through thunderstorms, they don't get hit in flight. On the ground is another matter.

Oh, but they do get hit now and again, despite efforts to avoid. The radome commonly gets rather mussed up in relatively mild hail. It can look ugly without being at all serious, as it is not pressure vessel structure. Working up from there, cockpit windows get damaged or even broken out (which is impressive, those things are _tough_).

A few pictures:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_rsUldUURuFM/STqfKVCfVuI/AAAAAAAAAD...
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/235/img2151zvy5.jpg/
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/187/385180510_ee320151d7.jpg
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l185/DryMonkey/HailDamage....

But the really, really serious problem comes when enough hail is ingested into the engines to make them lose the ability to keep the plane in flight. That can spoil the whole day for all concerned.

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Not quite

-et- wrote:

... Energy is related to the square of the speed of impact, so "exponential" would have been correct if he had written "energy" instead of "speed".

With best wishes,
- Tom -

Not to be picky, but square and exponential are not the same!

80 is Not Moderate

Juggernaut wrote:
David King wrote:

If you are driving down an interstate at a moderate 80 mph or so...

80 MPH is "moderate"?! shock

Not in Ontario, Canada. That's 130 KPH and the speed limit is 100 KPH. 120 in a 100 zone is about as much leeway that the cops will give in Ontario and doing that during a hail storm might even be a Careless Driving charge.

That could be be worse than driving on snow at 80 MPH, because weather that produces a hail storm is too warm to warrant snow tires.

Betting that Mr King will be bowing out of this thread soon, since he's not getting the support he'd hope for.

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No yet

But starting to get the feeling that I am vastly outnumbered.

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

Stop

Having been in a major hailstorm in Montana once, I realized that I was driving on ice so I slowly came to a stop and waited for it to end. I did not even consider the damage to my car for that is why I have insurance.
What really bothered me was when it stopped I stepped outside and the clouds above looked like elephant feet which I had read was tornado clouds.
My young daughter said out loud "Is this the end of the world?
We were camping on this trip but that night we spent the night in a motel and the sirens were blaring all night.

OK, OK

I bow to your pressure. I will tell the wife she was right soon.

redface

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

Quite

jale wrote:
-et- wrote:

... Energy is related to the square of the speed of impact, so "exponential" would have been correct if he had written "energy" instead of "speed".

With best wishes,
- Tom -

Not to be picky, but square and exponential are not the same!

Actually, they ARE the same. Square is a specific case of exponential.

"Exponential" means "raised to a power". So, "X cubed", which is "X*X*X", is "X raised to the third power", and "X*X*X*X*X" is "X raised to the fifth power". Similarly, "X squared", which is "X*X", is "X raised to the second power".

With best wishes,
- Tom -

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No cigar

-et- wrote:

Actually, they ARE the same. Square is a specific case of exponential.

"Exponential" means "raised to a power". So, "X cubed", which is "X*X*X", is "X raised to the third power", and "X*X*X*X*X" is "X raised to the fifth power". Similarly, "X squared", which is "X*X", is "X raised to the second power".

With best wishes,
- Tom -

Nope! Not quite. But this is not the forum to give private math classes anyway.

Told my wife...

...that she was right. She is reveling in vindication.

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

Hailstorm

David King wrote:

I need everyone's opinion on this. Help settle an argument between me and my wife.

If you are driving down an interstate at a moderate 80 mph or so and you encounter a hailstorm, do you pull over and wait on the shoulder or just keep going?

And you are not under an overpass or something like that.

I have been in this very situation.
STOP!!!
1. 20 mph hail stones don't do near the damage that 100 mph stones do.
2. If you don't know which way the storm is moving, you are better off stopping.

Learned some interesting

Learned some interesting points of view-

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- yes -

tendriver wrote:
David King wrote:

I need everyone's opinion on this. Help settle an argument between me and my wife.

If you are driving down an interstate at a moderate 80 mph or so and you encounter a hailstorm, do you pull over and wait on the shoulder or just keep going?

And you are not under an overpass or something like that.

I have been in this very situation.
STOP!!!
1. 20 mph hail stones don't do near the damage that 100 mph stones do.
2. If you don't know which way the storm is moving, you are better off stopping.

I agree!

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~Jim~ Nuvi-660, & Nuvi-680

Hailstorms

d-moo70 wrote:

Prepare for a Hailstorm

Here's what to do if you drive into a hailstorm:

Stay inside the vehicle. Hail falls at fast speeds, and it can cause injury to those in its path.
Stop driving and pull to a safe place so hail doesn't break the windshield or any windows — driving compounds hail's impact with your car. Stop under an overpass, and don't forget to pull out of traffic lanes and onto a shoulder. Avoid ditches due to possible high-rising water.
Keep your car angled so the hail is hitting the front of your car. Windshields are reinforced to withstand forward driving and pelting objects. Side windows and backglass are not, so they're much more susceptible to breakage.
Lie down, if possible, and keep your back to the windows. If you have a blanket, cover yourself with it to prevent possible debris from hitting you.

I agree with this. Especially since you don't know if the other drivers on the road are going to go crazy. Hailstorms don't last very long anyway.

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It is the ice on the road

Everyone keeps talking about the car windows when they should actually be thinking about the ice cubes on the road. Hail is ice and you will be driving on it. Consider your ability to drive and steer on ice.
Your window should be second thought in this case.

I would...

get off at the next exit and look for a Hooters or a Texas Roadhouse or equivalent.

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Jery wrote:

get off at the next exit and look for a Hooters or a Texas Roadhouse or equivalent.

grin

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Hmmmm

kurzemnieks wrote:

Everyone keeps talking about the car windows when they should actually be thinking about the ice cubes on the road. Hail is ice and you will be driving on it. Consider your ability to drive and steer on ice.
Your window should be second thought in this case.

Didn't think about this. Good point.

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

Yeah

Jery wrote:

get off at the next exit and look for a Hooters or a Texas Roadhouse or equivalent.

I had my wife with me and we are vegans, so HOOTERS IT IS!
evil

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

HAIL storm and riding a motorcycle...

Since I am a ATGATT (All the gear all the time) The helmet and gear helps with small hail. I stop or find shelter when on my motorcycle...and have been there and done that a few times.

All of sudden you associate structures with shelter... I was even allow to park on a porch of a country store (had loading ramp)...country cemeteries often have large trees and food pavilions...car washes, underpasses and service stations offer good protection..

Oh, Motorcycle or like gear is great for when you are in a tornado warning area..even at home...Have a friend who advised his wife to dress in the gear and get in closet...the tornado leveled the house...she walked away without a scratch. Helmet took a beating!

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It is always safer,

to pull over. Preferably, at a nearby diner !

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helmets

Norwood wrote:

Since I am a ATGATT (All the gear all the time) The helmet and gear helps with small hail. I stop or find shelter when on my motorcycle...and have been there and done that a few times.

All of sudden you associate structures with shelter... I was even allow to park on a porch of a country store (had loading ramp)...country cemeteries often have large trees and food pavilions...car washes, underpasses and service stations offer good protection..

Oh, Motorcycle or like gear is great for when you are in a tornado warning area..even at home...Have a friend who advised his wife to dress in the gear and get in closet...the tornado leveled the house...she walked away without a scratch. Helmet took a beating!

have been recommended for people that live in tornado prone areas.

Depends

Depends on which way the hail is falling. If it's falling head on, pull over. If going in the same direction, keep going or speed up to match the hail speed. Prevent more impact.

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Except for that little detail called 'stopping'...

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Hailstorm

As a trained Wx spotter, your best bet for survival is to get off at the nearest exit. You could hide under an overpass, but you will probably get hit. I travel with both CB and Ham radio, so I usually know where the hail is to avoid it. But not always. Even if you have to park under a tree (leaning away), the branches will somewhat (very little), slow the falling ice. By the time you find a car wash to duck into, the storm will be over.

Photons or Phasors

-et- wrote:
PastorMC wrote:

Just put up your deflector shields!!!!!!

What ??!!

You can't seriously be thinking of diverting power from your photon torpedos!!

What a ridiculous thing to say. Raising shields doesn't divert power from your photon torpedos, it diverts power from your phasers!

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I am the head...

...of my house. (However, my wife is the neck that turns the head.) rolleyes

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Really!

BillG wrote:
-et- wrote:
PastorMC wrote:

Just put up your deflector shields!!!!!!

What ??!!

You can't seriously be thinking of diverting power from your photon torpedos!!

What a ridiculous thing to say. Raising shields doesn't divert power from your photon torpedos, it diverts power from your phasers!

What was he thinking? Everyone knows that!

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

Hail storm?

hold on a minute is not making your wife mad consider already a HAIL STORM? I prefer the natural one over the artificial one. At list you can said that you did not ask for it...lol

Hailstorm

As a retired meteorologist for the National Weather Service, I'd advise seeking shelter under an overpass if it's available nearby. If on a street try to pull into a garage or parking lot which has coverage.

If none of these are available, pull over & read your automobile insurance coverage!

Fred

hailstorm

d-moo70 wrote:

Prepare for a Hailstorm

Here's what to do if you drive into a hailstorm:

Stay inside the vehicle. Hail falls at fast speeds, and it can cause injury to those in its path.
Stop driving and pull to a safe place so hail doesn't break the windshield or any windows — driving compounds hail's impact with your car. Stop under an overpass, and don't forget to pull out of traffic lanes and onto a shoulder. Avoid ditches due to possible high-rising water.
Keep your car angled so the hail is hitting the front of your car. Windshields are reinforced to withstand forward driving and pelting objects. Side windows and backglass are not, so they're much more susceptible to breakage.
Lie down, if possible, and keep your back to the windows. If you have a blanket, cover yourself with it to prevent possible debris from hitting you.

As to stopping under overpass... make sure your hazard lights are blinking. You don't want another driver with your idea for shelter in low visibility to rear end your vehicle.

your all wrong

You stop the car

Everyone takes off all their clothes

Everyone gets out and does a rain dance until the hail storm ends

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Laws of Physics

perpster wrote:
David King wrote:
jfossy wrote:

The hail is coming down at a certain rate. Driving 80 mph is like driving straight at a fast ball, thus adding an extra 80mph onto the already fast moving ball.

The Mythbusters tested the following:

Two cars hitting each other head-on, each at 50 mph, cause twice as much damage as one car hitting a stationary wall at 50 mph. They busted it.

It seems the damage is the same with both scenarios.

So, is hitting a hailstone with a moving car the same force as hitting a hailstone in a stopped car? Logic would tell us no, but the Mythbusters say yes.

The damage to the two cars may have been the same or similar, but the laws of physics cannot be denied. Two objects in diametrically opposed direction travelling at 50 mph, has the same velocity as one car going 100 mph in a straight line into a solitary object. The velocity of both equations is the same. Differences in materials, the respective cars' crash/crumple designs, the strength of the wall, etc. will have a real-world effect on perceived damage, a la Mythbusters, but the forces at work are what the laws of nature dictates, not syndicated programming. I should know, I took earth science and physics in high school last century. wink)

I think you have misremembered the laws of conservation of energy and the conservation of momentum.

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Buy one of these for hail

Buy one of these before the hail storm. Anyone tried it? Like a giant balloon that envelopes your vehicle.

http://www.hailprotector.com/

Yow!

ptownoddy wrote:

Buy one of these before the hail storm.

That's taking preparedness up a notch!

Geeez

Remember to exit the vehicle and to turn the ignition off too....

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MythBusters

Not2Bright wrote:
perpster wrote:
David King wrote:
jfossy wrote:

The hail is coming down at a certain rate. Driving 80 mph is like driving straight at a fast ball, thus adding an extra 80mph onto the already fast moving ball.

The Mythbusters tested the following:

Two cars hitting each other head-on, each at 50 mph, cause twice as much damage as one car hitting a stationary wall at 50 mph. They busted it.

It seems the damage is the same with both scenarios.

So, is hitting a hailstone with a moving car the same force as hitting a hailstone in a stopped car? Logic would tell us no, but the Mythbusters say yes.

The damage to the two cars may have been the same or similar, but the laws of physics cannot be denied. Two objects in diametrically opposed direction travelling at 50 mph, has the same velocity as one car going 100 mph in a straight line into a solitary object. The velocity of both equations is the same. Differences in materials, the respective cars' crash/crumple designs, the strength of the wall, etc. will have a real-world effect on perceived damage, a la Mythbusters, but the forces at work are what the laws of nature dictates, not syndicated programming. I should know, I took earth science and physics in high school last century. wink)

I think you have misremembered the laws of conservation of energy and the conservation of momentum.

I misremembered? No, I got it. Mythbusters confused me.

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

Yes, the wife is always

Yes, the wife is always right, just ask her.

Don't argue with the wife...

gerrydrake wrote:

Yes, the wife is always right, just ask her.

...Just agree with her. Saves a lot of time and trouble. grin

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