The Android OS is Eating away at the Apple IOS

Lets see what Google does?

To me, the biggest problem with Android is that it is a more open ecosystem, with apps available that haven't been screened for security issues. While open is usually better than closed, it's resulting in more security problems for android users. Apple's closed system's main advantage is that it just works, and apps are screened before being permitted to run. Good and bad, but that's the way it is.

http://www.electronista.com/articles/11/08/23/mcafee.shows.a...

And it will be fun to look at these numbers in October into November after the new iPhone hits the streets, on more carriers than just AT&T and Verizon.

I agree the market is skewed by the limited carriers of iphone. If Sprint comes on board and if the "rumours" are true of a lower cost iphone being launched at the same time as the iphone 5 then Apples share will increase.

Earlier this year it was time to update my phone and went into the Verizon store with the intention of going with the Apple iphone. I did a lot of playing around with the phone just to assure myself that I was making the right choice for me.

While I was there I quickly took a look at the Android phones and found myself no longer totally committed to the Apple iphone. The Droid X kept pulling me back to it and after looking the phone over carefully and some of it's accessories like the very trick charging stand and car mount I changed my mind. The car mount had the same size mounting ball as the Garmin so allowed me to use the Garmin mounts I already have.

Ended up going with the Droid X and have been very pleased that I decided against the iphone.

good insight.. thanks

I love my iPhone (jail broken) and it integrates great with the rest of my Apple stuff. God bless Steve.

In light of his announcement today, indeed.

I have yet to have any kind of security problems on the two Androids I have had. That doesn't mean they don't exist,I just havn't had any. I do use protection and scan my OS daily for vulnerabilities.

Now for you!
For some reason Apple users feel they are exempt from Virus's and Trojans, and of course that's just false security and a uninformed way of thinking.

You may want to check the links below, and be sure your Iphone IOS does not have security issues, because it could.
OBTW check your Mac, Touch (3rd generation) and later, and All versions of the IPhone

http://www.apple.com/support/security/
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1222
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1620

“You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.”
Steve Jobs quote

That type of thinking made him one awesome inventor, Apple will miss his mind and leadership at the helm. The competitive spirit he brought to the table at Apple drove his competitors crazy.

Mr Jobs, Your inventions have made my life easier and my entertainment top notch in quality.

For that I thank you.
I wish you nothing but good luck in your future and live long, please keep that mind of yours working for all of us.

I'm not saying that it's not possible for iPhones, iPads, and Macs to not be infected - just that so far iPhone viruses have been only theoretical, whereas Android phones are experiencing that every day. In fact, "McAfee found that Android went from being the third most attacked platform to the first in just three months. And as Android continues to crush the mobile OS market, that's likely to get worse." See: "McAfee: Android Is The Biggest Target For Malware, And It's Getting Worse" at http://www.mcafee.com/us/about/news/2011/q2/20110601-01.aspx

Your sentiments regarding Steve Jobs are certainly easy to agree with - Visionary doesn't even begin to describe him. I too wish him well, and it's a good reminder to all that no matter how much money you have, your health is precious, so take care of yourself and enjoy life!

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2392025,00.asp

http://www.wirelessandmobilenews.com/2011/08/samsung-galaxy-...

Once again, people are lining up to back their personal favourite. Whether it's iPhone vs Android, Mac vs PC, and so on. All these products have different advantages and disadvantages, and we make a choice based on our needs and perspective on these differences.

But then there seems to be a need to proselytise in support of our selection. I enjoy reading the diverse comments and what people see as the strengths and weaknesses of various technologies. But it still comes down to what I think is best for me.

About time! Apple needs to go away!

well said, good advice

Why do you say that? Is it just that success bothers some people? If you don't like Apple, look elsewhere. That's how I spend my money. That's why I love Apple.

Not true!
Competition is good for everyone!
It keeps prices from running completely out of the box, and technology on a razors edge.

Some people like Apples (Iphones) some Like Oranges (Android)and some XYZ (the rest). Without the competitive development of the companies mentioned you wouldn't of had the chance to read the above android link.

Take heed in what you ask for, it could end up costing you more than you want to spend!

The real enemy of the Cell phone user is not the manufacturer or even it's OS, but rather the carrier that they operate on (Verizon,AT&T, Sprint, etc).
That's why I feel the AT&T and T-Mobile merger needs to be stopped, COMPETITION.

Bob couldn't be more right. Many of my last posts state just the pont he mentions. Some say the smaller guys can't compete but they do make the market respond. Like the data cap that AT&T and Verizon now have on smart phones? Not trying to stir up the PND vs smartphones argument(I like and use both) but unless you have a smartphone that downloads the maps this directly impacts you if you use your smartphone for GPS. Its competition that will or will not break the cap. Even though I "grandfathered" I have checked my usage and I would not be in danger of the cap but I don't stream movies or music or use the gps function that much. Others users can say how much data a gps would pull say on a three hour trip. Please lets do this constructively and not jump on others who have their preferences!!! Point is new tech and data caps and pricing all is driven by competition and the merger of the either AT&T or Verizon is not good for competition. Want proof, look at gas prices. In my opinion the gas companies or whoever is setting prices are not competing on price and look what we get.

WebOS!

If we only had one choice we might just as well line up with the comrades. Ford Chevrolet, Dodge Chrysler, then all the others wouldn't be here with out the competing of other businesses. We are all afraid of the loser product. One brings the other to make there product better. For me if I didn't have an iMac, iPad I won't have gotten a iphone. But the choice for me was clear to have the Apple family even though I switched to pc after the Apple IIe. It doesn't matter which auto you buy anymore you can't hardly work on the auto same on to everything. So make your choice and use it wisely. Like Bob said competition is good. Good Night and God Bless

Even though his dad worked at Apple for 17 years, and the family uses Macs.

The deciding factor between iPhone and Android (a Moto unit in this case)?

Simple -- it's about the money.

Virgin Mobile has a $35 a month plan with unlimited data, and no contract required.

That's a whole lot cheaper than either of the carriers offer for an iPhone.

The Droid doesn't integrate with our Macs as well as the iPhone does (at least not yet), and software updates on the various Droid platforms have been sporadic/ erratic, or non-existent.

But when it came to making the decision, he voted with his wallet, and I can't blame him.

I would go android for my next phone. Never wanted to get on the iPhone bandwagon.

Really tempted with the Samsung Galaxy S 2 phone right now.

You'll love Android!!

I have used them all - Palm, Win Mobile, BlackBerry, iPhone, Android phones. My favorite by far is Android. I still like my iPhone, but it's more of a toy than my Android device, due to Steve Job's and Apple's limitations they put on it.

As long as you can jailbreak them, there are no limitations. Unless you know something I don't.

http://goo.gl/WAZ18

I remember when Apple got beat up for using Creative's MP3 player technology. I don't think the landscape changed much as a result.

The big release day brought a Iphone 4S ????

Yes it does look like the Android OS is indeed Eating away at the Apple IOS. Especially for all those deflated IOS users waiting for the Christmas upgrades and gifts.

It's amazing Apple felt they could squeeze more money out of the Iphone 4 in Europe's newly released markets, stopping the Iphone 5 here in the States.

Or

Was it the hype of the users themselves? when apple made a announcement of a new product, was it them that anticipated the IPhone 5? When actually it was just the next IPhone 4?

Overall, Google’s Android holds around 55% percent of the US market share. This is definitely something for Apple Inc, RIM and Symbian to consider seriously. With even Nokia is moving into the Android platform gradually, Symbian must come up with something that gives Android a tough fight.

Most of the Mobile Software Product Development companies are heavily into developing Android Applications for their clients today. Reputed mobile phone brands like Samsung, HTC, Motorola, etc have all come up with smartphones that run on the latest versions of Android – Froyo and Gingerbread. But Apple fans are hoping that newer iOS versions will bring Apple Inc back into the limelight. All we can do at the moment is wait and see! But with the release of the 4s and not the IPhone 5 it's not looking good for Apple Fans.

May the best phone win!!!

BobDee,

Please tell us what is so disappointing in that there was no iPhone5 announcement?

What does the iPhone5 have the iPhone 4S doesn't?

Does anybody know?

Apple could have called the iPhone4S an iPhone5. Big deal.

That's like saying the Samsung Galaxy isn't galaxy, it's a nebulous.

So tell us why the release of the iPhone4S instead of the iPhone5 is not looking good for Apple fans.

Compare the two.

Another thing is that people need to understand the product development process of highly integrated hardware and software. They leapfrog eachother.

Software grows and gets to be too much for a given hardware. Then the hardware advances and has higher capacity, speed, throughput, etc. It can now run the previous software faster. The software grows due to more features, gets bigger, runs slower on the latest hardware. The hardware evolves again, gets faster. Runs that software faster, and software gets bigger yet again. And so on, and so on, and so on.

It's not about the name. Apple is known as a company that makes gorgeous and very appealing hardware. I think most are disappointed by the fact that Apple didn't redesign the phone external appearance (eg: larger display). I know I am. I'd never had an iPhone and was considering to get one. I change my mind now knowing that 4S looks exactly like the phone that's been around for 1.5 year (that's like 10 technology years). It's boring. I'll wait for the next version or go with an Android phone if I see one that I like.

I agree with chewbacca. I too was previously toying with the idea of checking out the new iphone, but now that I know it still has a "measly" 3.5" screen I'm not gonna waste my time. Not to mention Apple's continued design strategy of not allowing removable memory in their products.

LOL

The devices are just about the same height and width, iPhone, the Galaxy and HTC. I've never had a problem with the screen size of my iPhone.

Since you mentioned it, what does Apple's design strategy of not allowing removable memory have to do with it?

Why is it desirable to have removable memory?

You were probably outraged when Apple eliminated floppy drives in their designs.

My point was that most smart phones now have 4" or 4.3" screens. While you may be happy with a 3.5" screen I guarantee you that most people want a slightly larger screen. I personally like the 4" screen size because it keeps the phone dimensions smaller. Phones with 4.3" screens feel a little too large for my personal taste.

If I have to explain to you why more memory is beneficial then you definitely don't use your phone very much. But I'll humor you anyway!

If you buy an 8GB iPhone then you are stuck with a total of 8GB of memory for the life of the phone. If you buy a phone with removable memory then you can expand the memory at any point. So a year later when you have downloaded a ton of apps, music, photos, video, etc. you can just buy a larger memory card for $30 and continue on with life. If you run out of room on an iPhone you're crap out of luck, time to delete stuff! Or buy a new iPhone with more memory.

That was my thought too until I got my iPhone then I realized any music, movies, video's photo's etc. are readily available to me as long as they reside on my Mac any time or place I may be. Now with iCloud it will be even easier. If you like wasting $$, for sure load up on memory.

I know that streaming over 3G can use up your data plan, but usually I'm using wi fi somewhere and when I'm not I have the 2,000 mb ATT data plan and never use that up so that doesn't concern me.

Here is a link to why loading up on memory FOR ME will not be necessary.

http://www.apple.com/icloud/what-is.html

Hey gadgetguy2008, if you were knowledgable in what uses the memory and how much, you would know how to choose one of the memory options that the iPhone has available: 16GB, 32GB or 64GB.

And if you have ever had a smartphone already, this should be a moot point. But apparently, it isn't.

Removable memory is unnecessary. Think.

That's what I do and memory, or lack thereof, has never been a problem.

Maybe if he was GadgetGuy 2011 he'd know this. J/K

http://www.comscore.com/Press_Events/Press_Releases/2011/10/...

Newer stats... Apple growing, despite all the android fanboi claims to the contrary.

That is why I bought the 64GB Ipad. Because I knew if I got the smaller memory package I would somehow run out and need more.

Currently I have over 5,000 songs, 10GB worth of service manuals and still have nearly 25GB of free space.

My Blackberry has an 8GB card with several work related files, and some music and videos. Not sure what is left, to lazy to look.

My work HTC Evo Shift I just installed a 16GB card. I have my service manual on it also. Takes up about half the card. Also have a Drop Box account with 3.5GB of of space that I do not pay for, a 50GB account is $10 a month.

So with cloud storage, a lot of them free, almost no need to have extra memory. Granted it is nice to have locally when there is no 3G or wifi available.

It all comes down to what you are most comfortable with. But so far there really is not a whole lot that can be done on one and not have an app on another to do the same thing.

Ok, here's a question for the Apple guys in the house. If Apple felt that memory was not an issue, then why is it offering three different memory configurations on the new 4S? By your logic the phone only needs a couple of gigs of memory because according to you everything can simply be streamed to the phone.

I guess even Apple realizes that phones need more memory.

And I find it funny how the Apple guys on this site feel the need to jump all over anyone who questions their vaunted Apple products. Especially considering I started my initial post by saying I was actually considering an Apple product!!

Good one!!

GadgetGuy2008, you are squirming, trying to change the subject, deflect attention another way.

Where are you getting a message that Apple thinks, or the subject is, that Apple thinks memory is not an issue?

The issue is what you said, "Not to mention Apple's continued design strategy of not allowing removable memory in their products."

Your topic is REMOVABLE memory, and the need for removability, not the quantity of memory.

Focus, stay on topic.

And it appears you do not know how to figure out how much memory you need.

Diesel - if you really think I'm trying to change the subject or deflect attention another way then you obviously haven't read the thread in its entirety.

Hint - two different people indicated that memory isn't an issue because you can store data in the cloud.

Anyway, I could care less if you figure it out or not. I'm done responding to your posts.

Maybe it is because Apple realizes the need for memory and already includes it in the phone. Most smart phones I have seen only come with a 2GB card to begin with, some might have more I'm no expert. So with the Apple product you start out with a minimum of 8 or 16GB depending on the model. Most people will not need 8GB of memory on a phone. Yes there are the few that need more then that and if they bought a phone that is limited that is their fault if they need more. Also the Apple products are not the only product that can take advantage of cloud storage. I know you realize this but in the above response you make it sound like it cannot be done.

The Apple users can say the same thing about non-Apple users. Some get so defensive when an Apple user points something out to the contrary of what may or may not be true. If a person likes an Android phone and cannot stand the marketing behind an Apple product, enjoy the Android. Enjoy it. I like the Android I have and my Blackberry. I also like my Ipad. They all three serve their individual purposes. They can all do the samething's but depending on what I do I like one over another. They all function and function well.

I do not use just Apple products. I have the following in the house:
1- Mac
1- Ipad
2- Blackberry's
2- XP computer
2- Win 7 computers
1- Android phone

Did we read the same link? Oh wait yes your right!

IPhone did manage to climb 0.7 percentage points, whereas Android managed a 5.6 percentage climb.

I am not sure how you do math, but to me it looks like the Android OS is Eating away at the Apple IOS.

84.5 million people in the U.S. owned smartphones during the three months ending in August, up 10 percent from the preceding three month period. Google Android ranked as the top smartphone platform with 43.7 percent market share, up 5.6 percentage points from the prior three-month period. Apple strengthened its #2 position, growing 0.7 percentage points to 27.3 percent of the smartphone market. RIM ranked third with 19.7 percent share, followed by Microsoft (5.7 percent) and Symbian (1.8 percent).

Don't compare operating system usage to smart phone usage. iPhone sales compare very well when compared to total smart phone sales.

http://goo.gl/McK9J

The issue is what you said, "Not to mention Apple's continued design strategy of not allowing removable memory in their products."

So are you conceding that cloud storage neutralizes the need for removable storage? Or that the iPhone comes in three memory option levels? Did you learn that cloud storage and the three available fixed storage options makes removable storage unnecessary? Is that it?

Is that what you are saying? That's what it looks like.

Oh, I read what the others said, but I didn't see YOU address the removable memory subject that you brought up.

I'm already well aware of cloud based storage, and what the others brought up. I've been using the cloud for several years already. But you obviously weren't. Do you know what the cloud is? That's why I questioned your comment about not liking Apple's continued strategy of not allowing removable memory. I haven't seen a phone with removable storage in many years. So I take it you no longer have an issue with Apple's strategy of not allowing removable memory?

LOL

Is there anything else I can help you with?

Like it or not, it's always been compared that way, Mac vs PC (Windows OS) and now iPhone vs Android.

seems like apple had better hurry and spread their phone across the other cell carriers. I know a quite a few people that won't touch ATT as a carrier.

What do you mean don't compare operating systems?

You have to compare them, Android OS owns 43.7 percent of the market and Apple 27.3 percent of the smartphone market.

Does Apple as a single manufacture sell more Iphones to the market in it's Sony BetaMax type closed architecture sales and manufacturing ideals?

Yes as a single manufacturer!

Do the many Manufacturers (Motorola,Nokia, LG just to nam a few) using the Android based open Architecture out sell the IPhone OS.
Is the IPhone losing the battle in the number of overall users?

Absolutely!

What part of statistics don't you understand?
Is Android OS Eating away at the Apple IOS?

Of course it is!

Take the OS out of the IPhone and you have handful of hardware with a basic rudimentary command structure, enough to get a OS on it and no resemblance of an IPhone in operation.

Take the OS out of my Droid2 and you basically have the same pile of hardware that can't run or do anything, But I can choose the version of Android OS and a customized Rom to my liking.
There are lots of folks that write custom Roms and kernels that will excel the Android OS past what and where the original was written. Something the closed architecture IPhone users don't have at their finger tips.

Now that the new iPhone is just a revamped old iPhone, I bet Android keeps chugging along.