You get the ticket no matter who is driving the car
alia42 wrote:
i think it is realy stupid
But, if you can prove beyond a doubt that you, or someone else in your household could not have been driving the car, you're not stuck with the ticket. I heard of a case in the Des Moines area where the ticket was rescinded because the car owner proved the car was in the shop at the time of the ticket...and the shop owner got the hit instead of the car owner.
...you tell the party responsible for the ticket to PAY UP!
There SHOULDN'T, and I stress SHOULDN'T, be any points
assessed to the vehicle owner's license because the ID
of the driver can not be determined 100%!
Mike L.
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In Charlotte, NC the red light and speed cameras have come down because the police got the expense of maintaining the cameras while all the revenue went to the schools.
But before they came down my wife got a speeding ticket and yes they are a "no points" violation and you just pay the fine and if you weren't the driver, go get the money from the person repsonsible.
In Charlotte, NC the red light and speed cameras have come down because the police got the expense of maintaining the cameras while all the revenue went to the schools.
But before they came down my wife got a speeding ticket and yes they are a "no points" violation and you just pay the fine and if you weren't the driver, go get the money from the person repsonsible.
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When I got my speeding ticket a few weeks ago from the automated speed cameras in Scottsdale, AZ, there was a form enclosed that allowed you to name the person (and address) of who was actually driving the car (if it wasn't you). You then also had to send in a photocopy of your drivers license so they would have proof that the picture the camera took was not the same as you (who got the ticket for being the registered owner of the vehicle).
Gerogia just passed, a law where it does not matter, the registered owner is the one having to pay the ticket. This is like a cash crop for all og the townships here in Atlanta.
Maryland is similar - the owner pays the ticket but gets no points. If someone else was driving, you have to implicate them and they end up having to pay. If they deny that they were driving, the ticket comes back to you. I tried getting out of two that my ex-wife got with no luck. It's all about the cash for the state!
Very good info. Especially for Arizona. There is statute for time of service and he gives advice on avoiding service. If you are served by a process server, he has some suggestions for preparing for court.
Gerogia just passed, a law where it does not matter, the registered owner is the one having to pay the ticket. This is like a cash crop for all og the townships here in Atlanta.
I'm in Georgia. Speeding is a misdemeanor crime, so that means that there are certain rules that even the state must adhere to, and I believe that even if the summons goes to the registered owner, you still get your day in court. There may end up being similar loopholes like in the website I posted above for Arizona.
Do you have a link to the new law? If they automatically charge the registered owner and not allow adequate defense, that sounds like it might not pass a Georgia Supreme Court if someone wants to take it that far. I'm sure it will be challenged eventually.
I might give Sean McIlhinney a call and see what he knows about this (http://www.seanmac.com/). He is an Atlanta attorney very well versed in traffic court.
Georgia just passed, a law where it does not matter, the registered owner is the one having to pay the ticket. This is like a cash crop for all of the townships here in Atlanta.
I live in the Atlanta area and thought I heard on the radio a few weeks ago that the general assembly was looking into making a law that would make the red light cameras illegal? Did you hear anything about that?
My (at the time) Wife got a red light ticket in the mail. It came with a picture of the back of her car. Well I was driving when the picture was taken. She went to the court house and simply had to file a piece of paper that said she was not driving and they dropped the ticket. They did not even ask who was driving.
Georgia just passed, a law where it does not matter, the registered owner is the one having to pay the ticket. This is like a cash crop for all of the townships here in Atlanta.
I live in the Atlanta area and thought I heard on the radio a few weeks ago that the general assembly was looking into making a law that would make the red light cameras illegal? Did you hear anything about that?
Well,I'll tell you since I got a ticket at the intersection of Lenox and Peachtree. I was suckered into it. I drive a 'vette... plastic car. You DON'T want to have a wreck in it. I was behind a truck that blocked my view. We started off and I moved 3 car lengths behind the truck. He sped up... I sped up. He ran the light that I couldn't see but I was IN the intersection when the light had turned red. I got a ticket. Rather than take this lying down since I was suckered into the intersection, I went to court. I had the chief judge of Atlanta Municpal Court. She explained that if a cop writes a ticket, it's a criminal offense. Each side is at the end of a football field. Whomever "runs the entire length" to prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that you are guilty... then you pay. A red light camera ticket is a misdemeanor. NO points, just a fine of $70. In a misdemeanor case, the ball is at the 50 yard line. Whomever pushes over the line, wins. I showed that I could not have possibly seen the light and proved it. However, "it is your responsibility to insure that the lane is clear for you to continue. You should have stayed back further to make sure the light was green. Pay the bailiff." Another guy was mis-ticketed. He proved that his car was NOT the one that was in the intersection and that the car next to his was at fault. "Dismissed". You would have to prove, beyond any shadow of a doubt that you were NOT in the car... but the TAG gets the ticket. The judge would have to rule on that. The ball has to cross only the 50 yard line!
He ran the light that I couldn't see but I was IN the intersection when the light had turned red. I got a ticket. Rather than take this lying down since I was suckered into the intersection, I went to court. I had the chief judge of Atlanta Municpal Court. She explained that if a cop writes a ticket, it's a criminal offense. Each side is at the end of a football field. Whomever "runs the entire length" to prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that you are guilty... then you pay. A red light camera ticket is a misdemeanor. NO points, just a fine of $70. In a misdemeanor case, the ball is at the 50 yard line. Whomever pushes over the line, wins. I showed that I could not have possibly seen the light and proved it.
I thought all Geogia red light camera is the same. Here is what Alpharetta, GA definition is:
2. What is a red light violation?
A red light violation occurs when a vehicle crosses a stop line and proceeds through an intersection after the traffic signal has turned red.
It is not a violation if the vehicle’s front tires have already passed the stop line at the time the signal turned red. At no time will a citation be issued a citation if the vehicle crosses the stop line while the traffic signal is still yellow.
Based on above information, you might of been off the hook if you did not cross the lane when the light turned red vs. crossing a late yellow.
In AZ if you get a ticket in the mail and someone else was driving your car, all you have to do is photocopy your drivers license and send it in to DMV. DMV will drop the ticket.
I thought all Geogia red light camera is the same. Here is what Alpharetta, GA definition is:
2. What is a red light violation?
A red light violation occurs when a vehicle crosses a stop line and proceeds through an intersection after the traffic signal has turned red.
It is not a violation if the vehicle’s front tires have already passed the stop line at the time the signal turned red. At no time will a citation be issued a citation if the vehicle crosses the stop line while the traffic signal is still yellow.
Based on above information, you might of been off the hook if you did not cross the lane when the light turned red vs. crossing a late yellow.
Cheers.
They don't have the cameras in MI. But the way the law is here regarding red lights you can be cited for continueing/speeding up during the amber. The law states you are required to stop for amber or red lights. If/When they decide to try them here I am sure they would maintain the current criteria to maximize the citations.
In Maryland it's all about the money for sure. They can say what ever they want, but the lights guarded by the cameras mostly have very short yellows before firing. They are so short, that basically you have to screech to a stop on the yellow as opposed to continue with caution. I've had 2 red light tickets, one was maybe deserved, the other was out and out street robbery by the State. It was yellow for 1 1/2 seconds. Never had a chance. The State knows that without the fear of the "POINTS" the driver will just easily submit..........
They will also get you if you come to a stop and turn too fast. It looks like if you go from 10mph to 0mph to 10mph on a turn; it's consider running the red light in Fort Worth, TX
In AZ if you get a ticket in the mail and someone else was driving your car, all you have to do is photocopy your drivers license and send it in to DMV. DMV will drop the ticket.
I don't understand what that proves to them. Nor why they would drop the ticket when you do so.
I don't understand what that proves to them. Nor why they would drop the ticket when you do so.
Any moving violation should go to the driver and no the owner of the vehicle.
For instance, if I lend you my car and you get into a wreck and kill someone and the police determine you were at fault you will be charged with the violation and probably go to jail, nothing will happen to me for lending you my car.
They are getting around the law by not making the running of the red light a moving violation but a local ordinance breaking enforcement.
If you can prove you were not behind the wheel that ticket CAN be beat in court.
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If you can prove you were not behind the wheel that ticket CAN be beat in court.
Well, that's as it should be. I just don't understand how sending them a photocopy of my drivers license would prove that I was not driving my own car and exempt me from the ticket.
Why would you want to waste the time and effort to go to court? Pay the fine and than COLLECT from the person that was driving the car. Simple solution!
And for those people whinning about getting a ticket for running a red light when they didn't have time to stop because of a short yellow. Well try explaining or using that as an excuse the next time it happens when you have an accident.
Yep...in Lafayette, LA, you better have a good relationship with whoever you let borrow your car:
Quote:
If the owner was not driving at the time of the violation, they may temporarily transfer responsibility to the person who had custody of the vehicle when it ran the red light. The registered owner, however, is ultimately responsible for the operation of the vehicle and the citation if the driver fails to pay the fine.
In TN there are no points on your driving record for red light tickets. They are treated like a parking ticket.
You can dispute it if you were not driving but you must tell them the name and address of the person who was driving your car at the time.
Not sure what they would do if the person you ID just ignores the ticket.
In this community the local police department now has 4-5 people in the office doing nothing but processing these tickets. They pay a % of the revenue to the company who installed the cameras.
In Charlotte, NC the red light and speed cameras have come down because the police got the expense of maintaining the cameras while all the revenue went to the schools.
But before they came down my wife got a speeding ticket and yes they are a "no points" violation and you just pay the fine and if you weren't the driver, go get the money from the person repsonsible.
Maybe not. Redflex puts in their contracts that it will not cost the city a dime to operate the cameras. The city gets the profits above the agreed upon monthly charge. For instance the copy of the contract that I have states a charge of $4500 per camera, per month. Anything over the $4500 goes to the city. The vendor pays for the installation and operation. The city just rakes in the bonus bucks. If for some reason the fines don't cover the monthly cost, then the vendor will make adjustments and try to make it up the following month. Either way, the city is not out a dime....ever. If the problem persists, then they (vendor) will move the cameras to a more profitable (heavier traffic)site. Several cities have been caught with cameras in locations that have NEVER had a wreck in that intersection. But they are the more traveled roads.
So if the schools are getting the profits, and not the city, then the greedy ****** aren't getting their money so they don't want them in their city.
If you look at their contract, you'll probably find exactly what I have mentioned to be true there as well.
-- I knew I shoulda made a left turn at Albuquerque! -- Bugs Bunny
Gerogia just passed, a law where it does not matter, the registered owner is the one having to pay the ticket. This is like a cash crop for all og the townships here in Atlanta.
I'm in Georgia. Speeding is a misdemeanor crime, so that means that there are certain rules that even the state must adhere to, and I believe that even if the summons goes to the registered owner, you still get your day in court. There may end up being similar loopholes like in the website I posted above for Arizona.
In "most" states, these tickets are civil and not criminal. If they do not access points, then I would think it to be a civil issue. That is the case in Texas for sure. They ticket the registered owner of the car regardless. And they make it $75 so it is more than likely the owner will just pay it and go on about his/her day rather than messing with trying to fight it. That is their plan anyways.
Some states are making it more difficult on the vendors to send the tickets too. Having to send by certified mail, process servers, etc...guaranteeing that the accused receives the citation. which in my mind is the only way to do it. The vendor goes by the last available address, which is not always correct, and then fine you double if you do not contest it in time. I have seen many stories of this kind.
For my fellow Texans, as of Sept of 07 you have the right to a trial by jury now if you care to take the time to fight the ticket. Just FYI
-- I knew I shoulda made a left turn at Albuquerque! -- Bugs Bunny
I thought all Geogia red light camera is the same. Here is what Alpharetta, GA definition is:
2. What is a red light violation?
A red light violation occurs when a vehicle crosses a stop line and proceeds through an intersection after the traffic signal has turned red.
It is not a violation if the vehicle’s front tires have already passed the stop line at the time the signal turned red. At no time will a citation be issued a citation if the vehicle crosses the stop line while the traffic signal is still yellow.
Based on above information, you might of been off the hook if you did not cross the lane when the light turned red vs. crossing a late yellow.
Cheers.
What they do here is the cities redefine what an intersection is. Rather than going by the state definition of stopping behind the stop line, or crosswalk, the city defines the intersection as corner to corner. So around Dallas/Ft. Worth you will see a dotted line from corner to corner if there is not already a line there from the crosswalk or something. This line could be just a foot or so from the big stop line, or it could be ten feet. And if you have been driving for any amount of time, you are preprogrammed to judge to the stop line and not the corner.
This practice and the setting of the delay time to 1/10 to 2/10 of a second amounts to about 80% of the accused violators. Oh...the short yellows don't hurt either.
-- I knew I shoulda made a left turn at Albuquerque! -- Bugs Bunny
You get the ticket no matter who is driving the car
i think it is realy stupid
But, if you can prove beyond a doubt that you, or someone else in your household could not have been driving the car, you're not stuck with the ticket. I heard of a case in the Des Moines area where the ticket was rescinded because the car owner proved the car was in the shop at the time of the ticket...and the shop owner got the hit instead of the car owner.
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What happen's is...
...you tell the party responsible for the ticket to PAY UP!
There SHOULDN'T, and I stress SHOULDN'T, be any points
assessed to the vehicle owner's license because the ID
of the driver can not be determined 100%!
Mike L.
Freedom isn't free...thank you veterans! Heard about the tests to detect PANCREATIC CANCER? There aren't any! In Memoriam: #77 NYPD-SCA/Seattle Mike/Joe S./Vinny D./RTC!
That is exactly why some
That is exactly why some judges are striking down the red light cameras. Here in Minneapolis, a judged ruled them unconstitutional on that basis.
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In Charlotte, NC the red
In Charlotte, NC the red light and speed cameras have come down because the police got the expense of maintaining the cameras while all the revenue went to the schools.
But before they came down my wife got a speeding ticket and yes they are a "no points" violation and you just pay the fine and if you weren't the driver, go get the money from the person repsonsible.
Mark E
Agreed
In Charlotte, NC the red light and speed cameras have come down because the police got the expense of maintaining the cameras while all the revenue went to the schools.
But before they came down my wife got a speeding ticket and yes they are a "no points" violation and you just pay the fine and if you weren't the driver, go get the money from the person repsonsible.
X2
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When I got my speeding
When I got my speeding ticket a few weeks ago from the automated speed cameras in Scottsdale, AZ, there was a form enclosed that allowed you to name the person (and address) of who was actually driving the car (if it wasn't you). You then also had to send in a photocopy of your drivers license so they would have proof that the picture the camera took was not the same as you (who got the ticket for being the registered owner of the vehicle).
It shouldn't matter
It doesn't matter who was driving the car in NY your just obligated to pay a "Notice of Liability" summons no points just a fine
Shoot, I wish that my last
Shoot, I wish that my last four tickets were by camera!!!! Although, I managed to get out of most of them.
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Lucky U or
Lucky you or the cop must have REALLY liked you over here they don't want to hear it.
No, I meant that I didn't
No, I meant that I didn't get the points, always was able to get out of the speeding, but not the ticket being issued.
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Oh ok
Oh ok
Gerogia just passed, a law
Gerogia just passed, a law where it does not matter, the registered owner is the one having to pay the ticket. This is like a cash crop for all og the townships here in Atlanta.
ticket
the person the car is registered to gets the ticket unless you can prove otherwise
Red light cameras in Maryland
Maryland is similar - the owner pays the ticket but gets no points. If someone else was driving, you have to implicate them and they end up having to pay. If they deny that they were driving, the ticket comes back to you. I tried getting out of two that my ex-wife got with no luck. It's all about the cash for the state!
You NEED to read this website
http://www.radarbusters.com/support/beat-tickets/default.asp
Very good info. Especially for Arizona. There is statute for time of service and he gives advice on avoiding service. If you are served by a process server, he has some suggestions for preparing for court.
Doesn't sound kosher to me
Gerogia just passed, a law where it does not matter, the registered owner is the one having to pay the ticket. This is like a cash crop for all og the townships here in Atlanta.
I'm in Georgia. Speeding is a misdemeanor crime, so that means that there are certain rules that even the state must adhere to, and I believe that even if the summons goes to the registered owner, you still get your day in court. There may end up being similar loopholes like in the website I posted above for Arizona.
Do you have a link to the new law? If they automatically charge the registered owner and not allow adequate defense, that sounds like it might not pass a Georgia Supreme Court if someone wants to take it that far. I'm sure it will be challenged eventually.
I might give Sean McIlhinney a call and see what he knows about this (http://www.seanmac.com/). He is an Atlanta attorney very well versed in traffic court.
Gerogia just passed, a law
Georgia just passed, a law where it does not matter, the registered owner is the one having to pay the ticket. This is like a cash crop for all of the townships here in Atlanta.
I live in the Atlanta area and thought I heard on the radio a few weeks ago that the general assembly was looking into making a law that would make the red light cameras illegal? Did you hear anything about that?
Mark Ball Ground, GA
City of Marietta
Especially the city of marietta and Cobb County - NONE in Cartersville City and Bartow County.
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My (at the time) Wife got a red light ticket in the mail. It came with a picture of the back of her car. Well I was driving when the picture was taken. She went to the court house and simply had to file a piece of paper that said she was not driving and they dropped the ticket. They did not even ask who was driving.
Please
Georgia just passed, a law where it does not matter, the registered owner is the one having to pay the ticket. This is like a cash crop for all of the townships here in Atlanta.
I live in the Atlanta area and thought I heard on the radio a few weeks ago that the general assembly was looking into making a law that would make the red light cameras illegal? Did you hear anything about that?
Please be TRUE .... lol
red light cameras in maryland
Always great to see another Balto person in here. Welcome.
Winston
Well,I'll tell you since I got a ticket at the intersection of Lenox and Peachtree. I was suckered into it. I drive a 'vette... plastic car. You DON'T want to have a wreck in it. I was behind a truck that blocked my view. We started off and I moved 3 car lengths behind the truck. He sped up... I sped up. He ran the light that I couldn't see but I was IN the intersection when the light had turned red. I got a ticket. Rather than take this lying down since I was suckered into the intersection, I went to court. I had the chief judge of Atlanta Municpal Court. She explained that if a cop writes a ticket, it's a criminal offense. Each side is at the end of a football field. Whomever "runs the entire length" to prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that you are guilty... then you pay. A red light camera ticket is a misdemeanor. NO points, just a fine of $70. In a misdemeanor case, the ball is at the 50 yard line. Whomever pushes over the line, wins. I showed that I could not have possibly seen the light and proved it. However, "it is your responsibility to insure that the lane is clear for you to continue. You should have stayed back further to make sure the light was green. Pay the bailiff." Another guy was mis-ticketed. He proved that his car was NOT the one that was in the intersection and that the car next to his was at fault. "Dismissed". You would have to prove, beyond any shadow of a doubt that you were NOT in the car... but the TAG gets the ticket. The judge would have to rule on that. The ball has to cross only the 50 yard line!
what is the law for the red light camera?
He ran the light that I couldn't see but I was IN the intersection when the light had turned red. I got a ticket. Rather than take this lying down since I was suckered into the intersection, I went to court. I had the chief judge of Atlanta Municpal Court. She explained that if a cop writes a ticket, it's a criminal offense. Each side is at the end of a football field. Whomever "runs the entire length" to prove BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that you are guilty... then you pay. A red light camera ticket is a misdemeanor. NO points, just a fine of $70. In a misdemeanor case, the ball is at the 50 yard line. Whomever pushes over the line, wins. I showed that I could not have possibly seen the light and proved it.
I thought all Geogia red light camera is the same. Here is what Alpharetta, GA definition is:
2. What is a red light violation?
A red light violation occurs when a vehicle crosses a stop line and proceeds through an intersection after the traffic signal has turned red.
It is not a violation if the vehicle’s front tires have already passed the stop line at the time the signal turned red. At no time will a citation be issued a citation if the vehicle crosses the stop line while the traffic signal is still yellow.
Based on above information, you might of been off the hook if you did not cross the lane when the light turned red vs. crossing a late yellow.
Cheers.
Someone else driving your car
In AZ if you get a ticket in the mail and someone else was driving your car, all you have to do is photocopy your drivers license and send it in to DMV. DMV will drop the ticket.
Red Light Ticket
Where I come from; when you run a red light and get caught you pay the ticket; and don't whine!
I have a saying: Everything is legal until you get caught; and when you get caught; don't whine!
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On the flip side, if you are
On the flip side, if you are driving and you get snapped with speed camera, you don't get any points on your license.
d.dub
what is the law for the red light camera?
I thought all Geogia red light camera is the same. Here is what Alpharetta, GA definition is:
2. What is a red light violation?
A red light violation occurs when a vehicle crosses a stop line and proceeds through an intersection after the traffic signal has turned red.
It is not a violation if the vehicle’s front tires have already passed the stop line at the time the signal turned red. At no time will a citation be issued a citation if the vehicle crosses the stop line while the traffic signal is still yellow.
Based on above information, you might of been off the hook if you did not cross the lane when the light turned red vs. crossing a late yellow.
Cheers.
They don't have the cameras in MI. But the way the law is here regarding red lights you can be cited for continueing/speeding up during the amber. The law states you are required to stop for amber or red lights. If/When they decide to try them here I am sure they would maintain the current criteria to maximize the citations.
Red Light Camera
In Maryland it's all about the money for sure. They can say what ever they want, but the lights guarded by the cameras mostly have very short yellows before firing. They are so short, that basically you have to screech to a stop on the yellow as opposed to continue with caution. I've had 2 red light tickets, one was maybe deserved, the other was out and out street robbery by the State. It was yellow for 1 1/2 seconds. Never had a chance. The State knows that without the fear of the "POINTS" the driver will just easily submit..........
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Stop and turn too fast
They will also get you if you come to a stop and turn too fast. It looks like if you go from 10mph to 0mph to 10mph on a turn; it's consider running the red light in Fort Worth, TX
What does that prove?
In AZ if you get a ticket in the mail and someone else was driving your car, all you have to do is photocopy your drivers license and send it in to DMV. DMV will drop the ticket.
I don't understand what that proves to them. Nor why they would drop the ticket when you do so.
just because
I don't understand what that proves to them. Nor why they would drop the ticket when you do so.
Any moving violation should go to the driver and no the owner of the vehicle.
For instance, if I lend you my car and you get into a wreck and kill someone and the police determine you were at fault you will be charged with the violation and probably go to jail, nothing will happen to me for lending you my car.
They are getting around the law by not making the running of the red light a moving violation but a local ordinance breaking enforcement.
If you can prove you were not behind the wheel that ticket CAN be beat in court.
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Still don't get it
If you can prove you were not behind the wheel that ticket CAN be beat in court.
Well, that's as it should be. I just don't understand how sending them a photocopy of my drivers license would prove that I was not driving my own car and exempt me from the ticket.
Those bad Red Light Cameras
Why would you want to waste the time and effort to go to court? Pay the fine and than COLLECT from the person that was driving the car. Simple solution!
And for those people whinning about getting a ticket for running a red light when they didn't have time to stop because of a short yellow. Well try explaining or using that as an excuse the next time it happens when you have an accident.
"Old and Grumpy" and proud of it!
Yep...in Lafayette, LA, you
Yep...in Lafayette, LA, you better have a good relationship with whoever you let borrow your car:
If the owner was not driving at the time of the violation, they may temporarily transfer responsibility to the person who had custody of the vehicle when it ran the red light. The registered owner, however, is ultimately responsible for the operation of the vehicle and the citation if the driver fails to pay the fine.
I could see this ending quite a few friendships
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Red light ticket
You will get the ticket but you shouldn't get any points on your license.
Red light ticket
In TN there are no points on your driving record for red light tickets. They are treated like a parking ticket.
You can dispute it if you were not driving but you must tell them the name and address of the person who was driving your car at the time.
Not sure what they would do if the person you ID just ignores the ticket.
In this community the local police department now has 4-5 people in the office doing nothing but processing these tickets. They pay a % of the revenue to the company who installed the cameras.
Well...
In Charlotte, NC the red light and speed cameras have come down because the police got the expense of maintaining the cameras while all the revenue went to the schools.
But before they came down my wife got a speeding ticket and yes they are a "no points" violation and you just pay the fine and if you weren't the driver, go get the money from the person repsonsible.
Maybe not. Redflex puts in their contracts that it will not cost the city a dime to operate the cameras. The city gets the profits above the agreed upon monthly charge. For instance the copy of the contract that I have states a charge of $4500 per camera, per month. Anything over the $4500 goes to the city. The vendor pays for the installation and operation. The city just rakes in the bonus bucks. If for some reason the fines don't cover the monthly cost, then the vendor will make adjustments and try to make it up the following month. Either way, the city is not out a dime....ever. If the problem persists, then they (vendor) will move the cameras to a more profitable (heavier traffic)site. Several cities have been caught with cameras in locations that have NEVER had a wreck in that intersection. But they are the more traveled roads.
So if the schools are getting the profits, and not the city, then the greedy ****** aren't getting their money so they don't want them in their city.
If you look at their contract, you'll probably find exactly what I have mentioned to be true there as well.
I knew I shoulda made a left turn at Albuquerque! -- Bugs Bunny
Civil, not criminal...
Gerogia just passed, a law where it does not matter, the registered owner is the one having to pay the ticket. This is like a cash crop for all og the townships here in Atlanta.
I'm in Georgia. Speeding is a misdemeanor crime, so that means that there are certain rules that even the state must adhere to, and I believe that even if the summons goes to the registered owner, you still get your day in court. There may end up being similar loopholes like in the website I posted above for Arizona.
In "most" states, these tickets are civil and not criminal. If they do not access points, then I would think it to be a civil issue. That is the case in Texas for sure. They ticket the registered owner of the car regardless. And they make it $75 so it is more than likely the owner will just pay it and go on about his/her day rather than messing with trying to fight it. That is their plan anyways.
Some states are making it more difficult on the vendors to send the tickets too. Having to send by certified mail, process servers, etc...guaranteeing that the accused receives the citation. which in my mind is the only way to do it. The vendor goes by the last available address, which is not always correct, and then fine you double if you do not contest it in time. I have seen many stories of this kind.
For my fellow Texans, as of Sept of 07 you have the right to a trial by jury now if you care to take the time to fight the ticket. Just FYI
I knew I shoulda made a left turn at Albuquerque! -- Bugs Bunny
The line in the sand...uh..pavement....
I thought all Geogia red light camera is the same. Here is what Alpharetta, GA definition is:
2. What is a red light violation?
A red light violation occurs when a vehicle crosses a stop line and proceeds through an intersection after the traffic signal has turned red.
It is not a violation if the vehicle’s front tires have already passed the stop line at the time the signal turned red. At no time will a citation be issued a citation if the vehicle crosses the stop line while the traffic signal is still yellow.
Based on above information, you might of been off the hook if you did not cross the lane when the light turned red vs. crossing a late yellow.
Cheers.
What they do here is the cities redefine what an intersection is. Rather than going by the state definition of stopping behind the stop line, or crosswalk, the city defines the intersection as corner to corner. So around Dallas/Ft. Worth you will see a dotted line from corner to corner if there is not already a line there from the crosswalk or something. This line could be just a foot or so from the big stop line, or it could be ten feet. And if you have been driving for any amount of time, you are preprogrammed to judge to the stop line and not the corner.
This practice and the setting of the delay time to 1/10 to 2/10 of a second amounts to about 80% of the accused violators. Oh...the short yellows don't hurt either.
I knew I shoulda made a left turn at Albuquerque! -- Bugs Bunny