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Extra_POI_Editor - A tool to View/Edit/Convert POI/TourGuides (Part 2)

 

This thread is a continuation of the original thread here: http://www.poi-factory.com/node/21156

What is Extra_POI_Editor?

It does too many things for me to explain in a short post, so let's say it will allow you to view, edit and convert any GPX/CSV/OV2/JPG/KML/MGLN POI file to GPX/CSV/OV2/KML. Yes! Geocoded JPG can be imported too!

* There are preview windows specially designed to simulate a 4.3" widescreen GPS like a nuvi 760, but the program will work for other GPS; the display in the program will not match exactly the non-widescreen GPS.

* The tool will allow you to see the POIs on a map. You can drag also the marker on the map and update the new coordinate. This is very cool to fine tune the POI location.

* You can also preview linked images and sound files used in TourGuides.

* EPE can do batch geocoding and reverse geocoding. It has special filters to extract State, Postcode, Phone and more. You can create custom column formats for your CSV files input and output, ...

* You can open POI Loader, MapSource or GoogleEarth directly from EPE to see all POIs on the map.

This is it for now. It does more than that and will probably do more later. Please post your comments and suggestions here.

Turbo.

The EPE page and download links are here:

http://turboccc.wikispaces.com/Extra_POI_Editor

As usual, if you find something missing just post your requests. I will see what I can do.

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Thanks

Thanks for all the work you did

Thanks again

I am using your program more & more. It reminds me of when I bought my first TI-30. Work get easier with the proper tools.

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Gvim

Wil01 wrote:

My 14,000 record file is just in such a mess that EPE can't do the conversion to GPX properly.

1. Nine digit zip codes are not handled properly.

2. Often the Batch Reverse Geocoding routine leaves the correctly entered city and generates a new one several miles from the correct lon/lat/city.

Correcting these errors would require analyzing each and every one of the 14,000 records. I don't have that time.

I've decided to brush up on Visual Basic (I'm an old Pascal programmer) and write a front end to format the record .csv file properly. Then I will use EPE to make the conversion to .gpx.

The major programming issue is to separate the Address field from the City field. I hope to do that by finding the endSymbol for the address. So far, I've identified over 40 different endSymbols used for that purpose in this file.

And of course, there is always the issue of every record does not have all the fields entered.

Again let me thank you for all your help.

Wil

I've done a few of these csv file repairs to make them gpx friendly. The PC version of vi, Gvim, has all the programmable features of the Unix version and a nice GUI. It's very fast, but may have a steep learning curve if you haven't used Unix tools in the past.

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oops

oops

Changed functionality

In version 4.88 when I hit add new poi the map defaulted to the position of the last poi highlighted. With 5.32 it comes up with a completely blank window. Could we go back to the way 4.88 worked or allow us to put in default values for lat/lon for add poi?

Thanks.

Jeff
AKA Panache

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Jeff - Garmin 765T(2), 2300LM, GPSMap 76CSx The difference between genius and stupidity--Genius does not hurt.

Default map when creating new poi

Hi Panache,

The behavior in v4.88 was a bug. When creating a new POI, there is no real reason for having a default map that is dependant on the last selected POI. Specially when those last lon/lat coordinates are not visible anymore. I would prefer not to go back to this previous behavior.

I assume you used that functionality to create a new POI from an existing nearby location. Right?

Yes

It worked better than just a blank screen. And it was in 4.85 also.

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Jeff - Garmin 765T(2), 2300LM, GPSMap 76CSx The difference between genius and stupidity--Genius does not hurt.

TourGuide problems

I am having a problem with using EPE to set proximity alerts in TourGuide files. The alerts work fine as I pass by each location. I have no problem navigating to any of the locations in the TourGuide file. I like to use favorites as via points each day of a trip. On my 1490t, Where to? > Extras > Custom POIs>McDonaldsTourGuide> Nearest McDonalds >Save. The unit responds with SAVED TO FAVORITES. > OK.
Main Screen. Where To? > Favorites > Select > , The map shows my favorite in the ocean, 6500 miles away. When I touch the PRESS FOR MORE, the correct address shows in the window.
I down loaded the newest EPE program and the current version of POI Loader. No improvement. I downloaded all of my custom POIs from this site. I have tried creating my own TourGuide GPX file using EPE and info from Google Maps, manually typing each location into Add New POI. I have tried changing the preferences in EPE also. I tried different alert proximities also. No luck. Using POI loader in manual mode, setting the distance, works OK when saving Custom POIs to favorites. But that is not what I want to do.
When using the very same files to load my 295w, I have no problems at all. Bear007 could not duplicate my problems on his 14xx either.
I have downloaded a fresh McDonalds CSV file to my PC. Using GPS Visualizer, I converted the CSV file to GPX. I opened the GPX file with MapSource. I then set the alerts to a distance of 0.1 miles for all locations. At this time I changed the alert distance for some of the locations near me. I saved the file as GPX to my custom POI folder. Then I used POI Loader in the express mode. All the entries now work OK when saved to favorites… I don’t like the way MapSource renames multi locations in the same city, so this method is not as good as EPE.

This is an earlier screen shot of my problem.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21928761@N04/6972577530/in/phot...
Here is a discussion thread.
http://www.poi-factory.com/node/36302

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1490LMT 1450LMT 295w

I'll ask you again

spokybob wrote:

I am having a problem with using EPE to set proximity alerts in TourGuide files. The alerts work fine as I pass by each location. I have no problem navigating to any of the locations in the TourGuide file. I like to use favorites as via points each day of a trip. On my 1490t, Where to? > Extras > Custom POIs>McDonaldsTourGuide> Nearest McDonalds >Save. The unit responds with SAVED TO FAVORITES. > OK.
Main Screen. Where To? > Favorites > Select > , The map shows my favorite in the ocean, 6500 miles away. When I touch the PRESS FOR MORE, the correct address shows in the window.
I down loaded the newest EPE program and the current version of POI Loader. No improvement. I downloaded all of my custom POIs from this site. I have tried creating my own TourGuide GPX file using EPE and info from Google Maps, manually typing each location into Add New POI. I have tried changing the preferences in EPE also. I tried different alert proximities also. No luck. Using POI loader in manual mode, setting the distance, works OK when saving Custom POIs to favorites. But that is not what I want to do.

How do you have your preferences set in EPE?
The Editor options should be set to US/Imperial with the CSV Read/Write as Metric. GPX Output encoding should be UTF-8. Are these what you have?

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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy, 35th U.S. president

Yes and no

I changed the CSV to what you said before. I guess I did not see your reference to the GPX output coding of UTF-8. Mine is set as "same as input." I have time this evening to try this.

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1490LMT 1450LMT 295w

Done

The problem still persists. I converted the McD file but not my Wal-Mart file just now, using the settings you suggest.. Both are in the same custom POI folder for the POI Loader. Both reproduce the same error when saving to favorites.

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1490LMT 1450LMT 295w

I'm not an expert on Tourguides

I'd like to help, but I never used tourguides. I looked at your screenshots and it's pretty weird to have the POI in the water. Could it be a lon/lat inversion?

Compare a single POI

@spokybob,

Can you open, with a text or xml editor, the saved GPX files from EPE and Mapsource. Then search for a given POI in each that you know is wrong and compare them to see what differences there are before POI Loader.

Just curious to see if this shows any noticeable differences that may shed some insight.

Also, since saving with Mapsource and it working correctly, did you go back and do it again with EPE to see if it still isn't working?

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Zumo 665, (2) Nuvi 765Ts & 1450LMT | 2005 Harley Road King, Black Cherry Pearl / Black Pearl

@Bear

Thanks for the emailed McD GPX TourGuide file. It works great. Then using EPE, I edited the proximity distance on all locations. Then I made minor long/lat corrections on two nearby locations. I saved it back in my Custom POI folder. I used POI Loader and everything OK.
Next I set the preferences in EPE to match the screen shot on Turbo's WIKI web site. I ran EPE, then opened the Arby's CSV file. I saved it as Arby's.GPX in my CustomPOI folder. Then used the POI Loader. The problem persists.
To restate: On my 1490t, I select a Extra>CustomPOI. I can VIEW MAP and GO to the location. I select the location then SAVE, the unit saves to FAVORITES. When I GOTO> FAVORITES, the long/lat appears to be 6200 miles away. For example, Arby's Moline -90.50638 41.4668.
When saved to favorites, then transferred from the unit to MapSource I get E 0.30213 N 0.22523
The unique problem seems to be that my EPE does not convert a CSV file properly. It does read a GPX file and save it back, with or without edits.
Signed:
Stumped in Illinois

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1490LMT 1450LMT 295w

Solved

Bear007 emailed a screen shot of his EPE preferences.

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1490LMT 1450LMT 295w

thanks

thanks for this nifty program ive been looking for somthing like this
thanks again

Compatability of extra fields

I note that Garmin typically has four fields in the POI file: lat, lon, name, and comment. If I add fields to a POI file, does Garmin simply ignore the extra data, does it crash, or will it open a viewing window for the extra fields?

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Dr. Ted

Depends on the file type

CSV allows only 4 fields.
OV2 for Tom Tom allows only 3 fields.
Gpx allows more fields. I don't recall how many.

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Nuvi 650 and 1350.

EPE

tcsmithgeol wrote:

I note that Garmin typically has four fields in the POI file: lat, lon, name, and comment. If I add fields to a POI file, does Garmin simply ignore the extra data, does it crash, or will it open a viewing window for the extra fields?

EPE uses up to 8 fields when saving as M-column CSV files. Garmin merges all the fields after the third.

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Save as M-Col

spokybob wrote:
tcsmithgeol wrote:

I note that Garmin typically has four fields in the POI file: lat, lon, name, and comment. If I add fields to a POI file, does Garmin simply ignore the extra data, does it crash, or will it open a viewing window for the extra fields?

EPE uses up to 8 fields when saving as M-column CSV files. Garmin merges all the fields after the third.

EPE will save a GPX into however many fields are defied in M-Column screen. I believe Turbo allows up to 24 but it could be more.

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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy, 35th U.S. president

More than eight

I have tried 10 columns and EPE drops the last two fields.

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Where is Turbo

Has anyone see or heard from Turbo lattly. It seems like it has been a long time since he has posted . confused:

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curious

spokybob wrote:

I have tried 10 columns and EPE drops the last two fields.

I guess it depends on how you are doing your files. My standard GPX file has up to 13 fields defined. I may not populate them all, but some of my personal files do have that many fields in use.

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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy, 35th U.S. president

**

What happens when you save as M-column.CSV ?

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Windmill

johnm405 wrote:

Has anyone see or heard from Turbo lattly. It seems like it has been a long time since he has posted . confused:

Yeah, he lost his windmill. I sent him an email a few days ago but have not heard anything. Hope he is OK.

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

Turbo

He emailed me on May 13th. Hope he is ok.

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why?

spokybob wrote:

What happens when you save as M-column.CSV ?

Why would you screw around with the CSV format in a spreadsheet? I do all my editing and file creation in the XLS format as it holds any formatting info so zip codes with leading zeroes maintain them when formatted as TEXT.

One of the FIRST things the CSV format does is strip all embedded format information.

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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy, 35th U.S. president

What I think is most

What I think is most important about this program is that when I create a CSV file, and then view it on my GArmin, the line breaks are not always what I want. After finding this program, I use it to 'clean up' my files so that the data looks the way I want it to in the Garmin.

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Can't explain why

Box Car wrote:
spokybob wrote:

What happens when you save as M-column.CSV ?

Why would you screw around with the CSV format in a spreadsheet? I do all my editing and file creation in the XLS format as it holds any formatting info so zip codes with leading zeroes maintain them when formatted as TEXT.

One of the FIRST things the CSV format does is strip all embedded format information.

Because I don't understand the advantages in creating 8 or more fields in EPE or xlsx. Then the file must be saved as a CSV to upload to POI_FACTORY.

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You have to use the older

"What am I doing wrong?
t923347 wrote:

Luckily Windows 7 snap feature fixes that issue but your right, having the program remember the screen position would be nice for other Windows versions.

Turbo, thanks again for your great program.

I'm running Win 7x64 and when I try to use Extra_POI_Ed V460, it says I 'm missing RICHTX32.ocx, then I d/l'ed the Installer and it will not install. Is it because of the 64-bit OS?"

"You have to use the older

JJC
You have to use the older version to install then use 460 for EPE to work in all respects or the you will get an erro message saying file missing."

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I too am using Win 7 54 bit-----Can you explain more fully the procedure to getting everything installed please?

Thank You.

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triliby wrote:

I too am using Win 7 54 bit-----Can you explain more fully the procedure to getting everything installed please?

Use the latest Multilingual Installer, which will install V5.32

See http://turboccc.wikispaces.com/Extra_POI_Editor

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Nüvi 2595LMT, nüvi 760, TomTom START 45M, Galaxy Nexus

Possible EPE Bug on nuvi 3400 Series?

Hey Turbo!

Perhaps this has been mentioned earlier, but I think I may have found a small (?) problem using EPE 5.32 on a nuvi 3490.

I tried using EPE to "Open Garmin Favorites." I received an error message:

"Sorry. I could not find your Favorites. Be sure to...."

Upon examination of the USB storage, I found that the nuvi's default "current.gpx" file is indeed stored in directory \GPX. However, my Windows 7 computer thinks that the nuvi is a Portable Device rather than a disk drive.

EPE cannot read files from a Portable Device

You must change your GPS to Mass Storage Mode. The new Nüvi models (24x5,25x5,34xx,35xx) appear as a portable device to Windows (also called MTP mode).

See my post "Change From MTP To Mass Storage Mode" earlier in this thread on page 22 :
http://www.poi-factory.com/node/21156?page=22

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EPE changing proximity distances

Is anyone experiencing EPE changing their proximity distances?

A couple of times I looked, EPE changed the distances. For example, one POI I set at 1000 feet is now 3280 feet.

I have US/Imperial set at my unit preference.

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

In three places?

David King wrote:

I have US/Imperial set at my unit preference.

Yes

jgermann wrote:
David King wrote:

I have US/Imperial set at my unit preference.

Yes, in all three places of the Options ->Preferences -> Unit box

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

3280 feet is 1 Km

David King wrote:

Is anyone experiencing EPE changing their proximity distances?

A couple of times I looked, EPE changed the distances. For example, one POI I set at 1000 feet is now 3280 feet.

I have US/Imperial set at my unit preference.

If you are setting a distance in the Excel file, then the editor is reading that as a metric value and converting it to feet. You can change the file read/write, but I don't recommend it. Turbo is Canadian and they measure distances using the metric system and the GPX standard is also built around metric values.

To use Imperial values, set the editor to Imperial and then use the replace function. EPE will convert the feet/miles value and convert it to meters/kilometers when it writes the GPX.

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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy, 35th U.S. president

Nope, just gpx

Box Car wrote:

If you are setting a distance in the Excel file, then the editor is reading that as a metric value and converting it to feet. You can change the file read/write, but I don't recommend it. Turbo is Canadian and they measure distances using the metric system and the GPX standard is also built around metric values.

To use Imperial values, set the editor to Imperial and then use the replace function. EPE will convert the feet/miles value and convert it to meters/kilometers when it writes the GPX.

Nope, just GPX. I read in a gpx, set the proximity, then just save.

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David King wrote:

A couple of times I looked, EPE changed the distances. For example, one POI I set at 1000 feet is now 3280 feet.

How did you set the alert distance? With EPE, or in the GPX source? (gpxx:Proximity>1000<)

David King also wrote:

Nope, just GPX. I read in a gpx, set the proximity, then just save.

If the 1000 was in the GPX file, EPE is displaying the value correctly. The GPX Proximity units are meters, not feet.

1000 meters are 3280 feet...eh?
http://developer.garmin.com/schemas/gpxx/v2/oxygen/index.htm...

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No.

WAASup wrote:
David King wrote:

A couple of times I looked, EPE changed the distances. For example, one POI I set at 1000 feet is now 3280 feet.

How did you set the alert distance? With EPE, or in the GPX source? (gpxx:Proximity>1000<)

EPE

WAASup wrote:
David King wrote:

Nope, just GPX. I read in a gpx, set the proximity, then just save.

If the 1000 was in the GPX file, EPE is displaying the value correctly. The GPX Proximity units are meters, not feet.

Nope. EPE set to US (see first post). Always has been. I put in 1000 feet.

WAASup wrote:

1000 meters are 3280 feet...eh?
http://developer.garmin.com/schemas/gpxx/v2/oxygen/index.html#h558849294

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

Changed again

Now the POI says 163.7 feet.

I changed it to 50 feet, saved it and reopened it.
Changed to 49.9 feet.

I changed it again to 50 feet. Closed EPE and reopened it. Changed to 98.1 feet.

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Conversion

It's acting like it stores the numbers as metric, converting from the preferred units, then converts back to the preference units when you bring it up.

Apparently that function doesn't always kick in and it carries the numeric forward without conversion.

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

i wrote a FAQ on setting up EPE

I wrote a FAQ on setting up EPE and the values I use in preferences. Take a look at the FAQ and see if your set up matches the values.

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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy, 35th U.S. president

Yes

Box Car wrote:

I wrote a FAQ on setting up EPE and the values I use in preferences. Take a look at the FAQ and see if your set up matches the values.

Yes.
http://www.poi-factory.com/node/28521

Sorry, thought I'd already said that.

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

EPE Unit Preferences

jgermann wrote:

David King wrote:

I have US/Imperial set at my unit preference.

Yes, in all three places of the Options ->Preferences -> Unit box

David King wrote:
Box Car wrote:

I wrote a FAQ on setting up EPE and the values I use in preferences. Take a look at the FAQ and see if your set up matches the values.

Yes.
http://www.poi-factory.com/node/28521

Sorry, thought I'd already said that.

It appears from your earlier post that you have US/Imperial for all your settings which is incorrect. Try the following EPE settings and see if they work for you.

UNITS
Editor: Imperial/US
CSV File Read: Metric
CSV File Save: Metric
@Speed Unis: Same as CSV

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Speed Units?

bear007 wrote:

@Speed Unis: Same as CSV

Is this a setting?

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

Yes

In the latest version 5.32 from the menu goto

Options -> Preferences

It is the 4th option in the UNITS box.
(It is spelled correctly in the program redface )

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Zumo 665, (2) Nuvi 765Ts & 1450LMT | 2005 Harley Road King, Black Cherry Pearl / Black Pearl

5.32

bear007 wrote:

In the latest version 5.32 from the menu goto

Options -> Preferences

It is the 4th option in the UNITS box.
(It is spelled correctly in the program redface )

I don't have that version. I use 448 because 532 would not clear out it's processes after I ended it.

It takes 532 several minutes to come up when I invoke it.

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that option isn't important

David King wrote:
bear007 wrote:

In the latest version 5.32 from the menu goto

Options -> Preferences

It is the 4th option in the UNITS box.
(It is spelled correctly in the program redface )

I don't have that version. I use 448 because 532 would not clear out it's processes after I ended it.

It takes 532 several minutes to come up when I invoke it.

That option isn't as important as the CSV read/write options These need to be left as Metric. It is a known problem the double conversion from Imperial to metric and back again has problems in EPE and Turbo stated it wasn't an easy fix.

As we don't know what happened to Turbo, it probably will not be addressed as only he has the source code for the program.

As to your problems with 5.32, it may be due to changes in the libraries used. Download the complete v5 install package and get the updated libraries. The 5 dot versions have capabilities the 4 dot versions don't have and if you haven't updated the libraries that can be your issue.

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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy, 35th U.S. president

My problem went away

Box Car wrote:

As to your problems with 5.32, it may be due to changes in the libraries used. Download the complete v5 install package and get the updated libraries. The 5 dot versions have capabilities the 4 dot versions don't have and if you haven't updated the libraries that can be your issue.

However, with those 2 changes my proximity is holding at 29.9. My problem is fixed. THANKS!

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