Gas Prices and Driving Speeds

 

I had to take a trip to Birmingham this past weekend. The posted speed limit on I-65 is 70. I set my cruise at 70 and went on my merry way. At least 70% of the traffic I came across had to have been doing between 80 and 90 MPH. Most of them were full-size pickups and SUVs. There were only a few old fogies like me that were trying to maintain a legal rate of speed. With gas prices hitting the $4.00 mark in some places in Alabama, you'd think folks would start to slow down to conserve fuel. No dice. It's beginning to irritate me as the increased speeds (which only save a few minutes in the long run) lead to greatly increased gas consumption (in my van, it's a good 2-3 miles per gallon between 70 and 75 MPH), which in turn, leads to greater demand and increased prices. If only a few people were driving like that, it wouldn't be a big deal, but it was the majority of the traffic on that highway. I'm sure that Alabama is not unique. Folks complain about gas prices, but not many seem to be willing to change their poor driving habits.
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I had always heard that about windows at highway speeds...

Don B wrote:
johnc wrote:

I get around 2MPG better when turning off the Air Conditioning. Not always possible, but at this time of the year it's often nice enough to do so.

If you turn your AC off and roll your windows down at highway speeds, according to the experts, you'll get worse milage.

And then I saw a TV program called Mythbusters, they ran tests and it seemed to indicate that it didn't make much difference one way or the other.

I know I was surprised by what they found....

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Pick-up Trucks

aophiuchus wrote:
Don B wrote:
johnc wrote:

I get around 2MPG better when turning off the Air Conditioning. Not always possible, but at this time of the year it's often nice enough to do so.

If you turn your AC off and roll your windows down at highway speeds, according to the experts, you'll get worse milage.

And then I saw a TV program called Mythbusters, they ran tests and it seemed to indicate that it didn't make much difference one way or the other.

I know I was surprised by what they found....

We tried this a long time ago and it saved on longe distances. If you have a pick-up truck, driving with the tailgate down on the highway can save you some gas. Or get one of those mesh gates or even a cover. City driving speeds does not affect it much but if you are mainly highway it should cut down some. Just make sure there is nothing that will blow out.

When gas was cheap...

...and I had to drive from KC to San Diego I set the cruise control at 90 when driving in the desert from Bakersfield to San Diego. I was in the right lane and holding up traffic. A lot of people told me I was #1 when they got to pass me.

I wonder if that is the same way now.

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At moderate to high

At moderate to high speeds, having the windows open creates lots of drag - decreasing your mileage !

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Not necessarily

Don B wrote:

If you turn your AC off and roll your windows down at highway speeds, according to the experts, you'll get worse milage.

That little tidbit is left over from the big gas crunch of the '70s. It is, for the most part, not true now. The air conditioners are more efficient (less mechanical load) and the aerodynamics are better too (less wind drag). Consumer Reports says that now the difference is negligible, varies by specific model and might go the other way in some cases.

It has also been true that a small engine will experience a larger mileage decrease due to A/C than a big engine. Based on the Civic report above though, that might be changing too.

With my '01 Corolla, there is a BIG difference between A/C on-windows up versus A/C off-windows up.....something like 4 mpg.

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I wonder?

aophiuchus wrote:

There was the guy who got a ticket for speeding; he claimed he wasn't driving any faster than anyone else, to deaf ears. He thought o.k., I'll drive exactly the speed limit, and he got another ticket for impeding the flow of traffic….

I know several cops who say that is nothing more than an urban myth (being ticketed for impeding traffic flow while doing the speed limit), but admittedly they were not from California. I'd like to get that ticket and fight it in court, along with local media to observe.

However, I've seen inconsiderate drivers in the left lane (probably doing at least the speed limit) intentionally blocking traffic when they could just as easily drive in one of the right-hand lanes and still do their speed. I'd probably applaud the cop pulling them over.

Yeah, I know. I'm arguing both sides of the issue. Maybe I need to up my medication. twisted

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According to the CHP (California Highway Patrol)

gregb882 wrote:
aophiuchus wrote:

There was the guy who got a ticket for speeding; he claimed he wasn't driving any faster than anyone else, to deaf ears. He thought o.k., I'll drive exactly the speed limit, and he got another ticket for impeding the flow of traffic….

I know several cops who say that is nothing more than an urban myth (being ticketed for impeding traffic flow while doing the speed limit), but admittedly they were not from California. I'd like to get that ticket and fight it in court, along with local media to observe.

However, I've seen inconsiderate drivers in the left lane (probably doing at least the speed limit) intentionally blocking traffic when they could just as easily drive in one of the right-hand lanes and still do their speed. I'd probably applaud the cop pulling them over.

Yeah, I know. I'm arguing both sides of the issue. Maybe I need to up my medication. twisted

The officers you spoke to are correct. But there is always that one instance.... I am just passing on info that I was given in a traffic school class, it may even be BS..... And yes I was in traffic school because I was speeding.... evil

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Moved my work closer to home

mashryock wrote:

I read an economist (Business Week)predicting that at some point the commute will be too expensive, and people will be forced to live near their place of employment.

I was fortunate enough that my work group relocated in April to a campus that's less than 2.5 miles from my house. I also use mass transit a lot, though.

Convertible and Gas

With my 2002 Trans Am, I get 22-23 mpg with the top up and AC on. I get 19-20mpg with the top down and the AC off. In my situation it pays to be comfortable.

Hmm... I wonder what I get with my top off and the AC on! How much does it cost to be cool? LOL

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bluestring wrote:

Even if we used less gas to try to make the gas prices down, it won't work. Especially with India and China coming into play.

This should slow them down by not subsidizing.

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/080619/china_oil_prices.html?.v=6

Depends a lot on the engine size

Ein wrote:
johnc wrote:

I get around 2MPG better when turning off the Air Conditioning. Not always possible, but at this time of the year it's often nice enough to do so.

Don't know what kind of car you have? But, using AC in my Civic is almost negligible on gas milage.

The relative load on a small 4-cylinder car is much higher than on a larger 6-cylinder car. On the small economy models, you can tell the difference in acceleration available while the A/C is running. It takes horsepower to run it, and there is a cost involved which will vary from car to car. My only point was if you're looking to squeeze as many miles as possible from a gallon, start looking at non-essentials like A/C (on those days where A/C could be considered non-essential). wink

And yeah, I've read the articles about wind resistance with the windows open, too. I don't think I will advocate going as far as the articles about Hypermileage on Wikipedia do and get an ice vest. For one thing, I wonder how much energy went into freezing the ice vest so you could try and save on gas. It would appear to have a potential net gain of 0. And then how much energy would be used when you got home and would need a shower right away. grin

You get arrested

Holydoc wrote:

Hmm... I wonder what I get with my top off...

Probably arrested - if you're female!

Saving 20 to 40 cents per gallon on gas

According to an article in the Kansas City Star on 31 May, "The U.S. Department of Energy estimates that the cost of driving rises faster above 60 mph — adding nearly 20 cents per gallon for each additional 5 mph."

If I saw a gas station selling gas at 20 cents less a gallon than I was paying now, I'd jump at it. At 40 cents a gallon less, I'd be even more eager.

Three people in my family have all independently noticed that people are driving slower on local highways these days. Maybe we all read the same article. smile

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Slower Here

We just got home (NoCO) from a road trip to South Dakota. We immediately noticed slower speeds on the highways and it held true throughout our entire 1500 mile trip. It was especially noticeable with the truckers. None passed me, and I was just doing the speed limit. It was one of the most enjoyable and stress-free trips I've ever taken!

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I think rather than using

I think rather than using the AC or roll down your window, you can probably set your AC function to fresh air intake and still get fresh cool air without using the AC.

Not setup or planned well...

mashryock wrote:

Not only may this be the death of the large SUV (finally), but also the suburbs. I read an economist (Business Week)predicting that at some point the commute will be too expensive, and people will be forced to live near their place of employment. Then again people predicted we would be in flying cars by now so who knows?!

In the midwest, most of our cities are spread out too much to make mass transit pay...we have done away with "industrial parks" and many companies have left downtown. So there are not many people living in the same area going the same place. The other problem is that there are few stores in the center of town anymore to buy groceries or other items. We just had a local store close 3 locations close to downtown.

I have slowed down some, from 70 to 63, but mileage has only increased a mile or so, 13 to 14.5. My gps has been the biggest saver in finding new routes and not getting lost.

Daniel

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Well...

DznyFan wrote:

...I don't really care what the other idiots do. Obviously they have more money than I do to spend on gas.

In the big scope of things and for the long run, we DO have to care about "what the other idiots do". Gas/Oil have been rising in price because of global demand - AKA everyone's use of it. If many people waste without care (speeding for example, not those that truly need to drive large vehicles), then there is less for everyone to go around translating to higher prices. This is a fundamental concept that makes a person go from indifference to upset regarding social issues. It’s no longer, "Look at that person harming himself" to, "Hey, that person harming himself now affects me." Many things became regulated through legislation for this reason. A guy smoking in his car - who cars. Your personal insurance premium going up to cover the health care of a kid who got sick from his dad's poor health choices...different story.

Buy a convertible instead

johnc wrote:

I get around 2MPG better when turning off the Air Conditioning. Not always possible, but at this time of the year it's often nice enough to do so.

With the money you save on gas, you can buy a convertible and make the drive more enjoyable in the summer months smile

speed, mileage & AC

I have a new kia spec 5. Around town I get about 33 mpg. I took a trip this week and drove about 70 mph on average. My mileage dropped to 31 mpg. It pays to drive slower. my Hyundi Tuscon gives me 23/24 mpg at most speeds with and without the AC. Each car and driver are different. How can YOU afford to drive is the question.

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A/C

I have a small 4 cylinder Saturn, and I can definately tell there is a strain on the engine with either the A/C on or the window open. It is really bad with the window open and a headwind, so before I leave, I stick my finger in the air to get the wind direction, and decide to roll down my window or turn on the A/C!

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Just thinking !

dkeane wrote:

I have slowed down some, from 70 to 63, but mileage has only increased a mile or so, 13 to 14.5. My gps has been the biggest saver in finding new routes and not getting lost.

Daniel

Increasing your gas mileage from 13 to 14.5 is quite significant . About 11.5 % ! What if total gas consumption in the US decreased 11.5 % ????
Just thinking - as painful as it can be sometimes !

idea

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True Mr Ken

But gas has been going up more than 10 cents a week of late, (I know don't complain as it is still only $3.80 in wichita, ks) so I haven't seen any savings in $. It is a company van, and it is hard to fit my 8 foot ladder and 1,000 lbs of equipment in a civic. smile

Daniel

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Using my ScanGauge with the car parked and in idel. Turning on the A/C on my Civic burns an extra .02 GPH ( gallon per hour), which is almost negligible.

MPG...and MPH...and stuff like that....

Don B wrote:
johnc wrote:

I get around 2MPG better when turning off the Air Conditioning. Not always possible, but at this time of the year it's often nice enough to do so.

If you turn your AC off and roll your windows down at highway speeds, according to the experts, you'll get worse milage.

I've read the same thing. In today's current cars, the AC doesn't affect fuel economy like older cars might.

As for getting tickets for going to fast/slow...
Here in Utah, they have passed the "Move over" law, which states that if you're in the left lanes and are going slower than the lanes to right, you can get a ticket for going too slow in the "fast" lanes. IIRC, this law applies even if the "slow" car is going 85 in a 65 MPH zone...if he's holding up traffic, he shouldn't be in that lane.

Unfortunately, since this is Utah...the slow-pokes don't care, and the cops are too lazy to enforce a great law. mad

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While you save some money by

While you save some money by driving slower, if you really want to cut the cost try mass transit.

Mass transit still sucks, unless you're single or just tooling around a city.

I was pricing out train ride to my folks' house on Long Island. A round trip, with gas and bridge tolls, is about $80. A one-way train ride for me and the kids starts at $120, and either have to drive an hour to the train station or extend a 4 hour trip into 8 hours -- and that's if there's no delays.

And only for that's HALF of my family! A round-trip ticket for the entire family would get up to about 500 bucks!

Enjoy the gas prices, while we can :)

We are not used to today's gas prices, and it seems like that they go up by couple cents to a nickel every day. Yes, it's harsh on the pockets, but there are well over 100 countries that pay more for gas than we do, up to over $18 per gallon. On the flip side, folks in Venezuela can enjoy $0.12 per gallon of gas as well. Here are couple of interesting articles:

http://money.cnn.com/2008/05/01/news/international/usgas_pri...

Would our driving habits help lower the price; no way.... It's all in the hands of OPEC and the people that we had nominated:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/gas-price3.htm

So for now, just drive the speed limit, pray/hope for the best, be safe, enjoy the ride and the gas prices, while we can smile

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MoonA wrote:

Would our driving habits help lower the price; no way.... It's all in the hands of OPEC and the people that we had nominated

The first article states that since 1980 U.K.'s consumption of oil has remained stable, France's has declined, and the U.S.'s has increased over 20%. Also, that the U.S. uses about 3 times as much oil as Europe per capita. Price affects behavior. If we drive less and use more fuel efficient cars, the inference is that it should have a dampening effect on price.

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Headlights

Even using your headlights during the day causes more gas consumption!

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WSJ article ...

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Hornbyp wrote:

arrow http://blogs.wsj.com/environmentalcapital/2008/06/26/oil-shock-analyst-predicts-7-gas-mass-exodus-of-us-cars/

From the article: "Europe has had decades to develop a society based on expensive energy. What will happen if Americans suddenly are forced to shoulder European-style energy prices — but without the European-style society to cope with them?"

What amazes me is that the Europeans never developed ways of dealing with $7/gal fuel, other than conservation and tolerance. After all, during WWII the Germans developed synthetic fuel. The Brazilians have more biofuel than they need. And Americans will find another way to cope within a decade. Maybe it is the European-style society that stifles innovation and invention.

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SUV's

I am looking forward to the day they ban giant SUV's from the cities. They can't fit in their own lane, can't see around them or even fit in a single parking spot, Guzzle Gas, cause more damage to other vehicles.

The funny thing is, I found this article that many CA areas prohibit trucks in excess of 6000 lbs. The Suburban, Tahoe , Land Cruiser, Yukon, and Navigator weigh more than 7000lbs so maybe the police just need to enforce this!

http://slate.msn.com/id/2104755/

I think that vehicle code

PaulATL wrote:

I am looking forward to the day they ban giant SUV's from the cities. They can't fit in their own lane, can't see around them or even fit in a single parking spot, Guzzle Gas, cause more damage to other vehicles.

The funny thing is, I found this article that many CA areas prohibit trucks in excess of 6000 lbs. The Suburban, Tahoe , Land Cruiser, Yukon, and Navigator weigh more than 7000lbs so maybe the police just need to enforce this!

http://slate.msn.com/id/2104755/

Is aimed at commercial vehicles... but even that isn't enforced....

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Weight Limit though?

aophiuchus wrote:
PaulATL wrote:

I am looking forward to the day they ban giant SUV's from the cities. They can't fit in their own lane, can't see around them or even fit in a single parking spot, Guzzle Gas, cause more damage to other vehicles.

The funny thing is, I found this article that many CA areas prohibit trucks in excess of 6000 lbs. The Suburban, Tahoe , Land Cruiser, Yukon, and Navigator weigh more than 7000lbs so maybe the police just need to enforce this!

http://slate.msn.com/id/2104755/

Is aimed at commercial vehicles... but even that isn't enforced....

I noticed the "commercial truck" too but if it is a weight limit ban, all vehicles over that are not supposed to cross that area. I wonder if people really know what their vehicles specs are or would just ignore a weight limit sign? confused

Cruising at 55

I hope you make it the whole trip.
Try 60 to 65 same results.More safe so you don't get driven over.

Probably a little of all of the following...

Some know and ignore, some don't know, some know and think it doesn't apply to them.... It's also more than likely treated the same way as having gps attached to your windshield...

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School busses

Here's one. School busses nationwide may make your kids walk farther to another bus stop to try and recoup some loss on gas with fewer start and stops. Though I would see this OK in some areas but I wonder what will happen when someone gets hit by a car walking to a farther bus stop or into a higher crime area?

http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/schoo...

Diesel.. Diesel... Diesel

MoonA wrote:

We are not used to today's gas prices, and it seems like that they go up by couple cents to a nickel every day. Yes, it's harsh on the pockets, but there are well over 100 countries that pay more for gas than we do, up to over $18 per gallon. On the flip side, folks in Venezuela can enjoy $0.12 per gallon of gas as well. Here are couple of interesting articles:

http://money.cnn.com/2008/05/01/news/international/usgas_pri...

Would our driving habits help lower the price; no way.... It's all in the hands of OPEC and the people that we had nominated:

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/gas-price3.htm

So for now, just drive the speed limit, pray/hope for the best, be safe, enjoy the ride and the gas prices, while we can smile

And go out and buy a diesel car. Some get over 50mpg, pollute much less ( yes they do! ) and look like real cars, unlike the hybrids.

I'm slowing down to speed

I'm slowing down to speed limit + 5MPH... which feels like a snail's pace here is SoCal...

Also take my wife's car more often since the Gas Mileage is 20/25% better (even if it requires premium)

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sorry!

Just for the heck of it

I checked my owners manual (which I have on line) and this is what it said about the A/C and improving gas mileage

c Accelerate slowly and smoothly. Maintain
cruising speeds with a constant accelerator
position.
c Drive at moderate speeds on the highway.
Driving at high speed lowers fuel economy.
c Avoid unnecessary stopping and braking.
Maintain a safe distance behind other vehicles.
c Use a proper gear range which suits road
conditions. On level roads, shift into high
gear as soon as possible.
c Avoid unnecessary engine idling.
c Keep your engine tuned up.
c Follow the recommended periodic maintenance
schedule.
c Keep the tires inflated to the correct pressure.
Low tire pressure increases tire wear
and lowers fuel economy.
c Keep the wheels in correct alignment. Improper
alignment increases tire wear and
lowers fuel economy.
c Air conditioner operation lowers fuel
economy. Use the air conditioner only when
necessary.
c When cruising at highway speeds, it is more
economical to use the air conditioner and
leave the windows closed to reduce drag.

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Diesel cars; where are they?

Freddie40 wrote:

And go out and buy a diesel car. Some get over 50mpg, pollute much less ( yes they do! ) and look like real cars, unlike the hybrids.

Great idea. Kindly let us know, will you, what models are available in the U.S. for less than $40K.

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gas prices

In a recent Top Gear episode, Clarkson & Co. pitted an M3 against a Prius on their test track. The M3 followed the Prius around the circuit as it lapped as fast as it could. It bored Clarkson to tears but he did it in the name of science. The end result showed the M3 averaged 16.1 mpg vs. the Prius’ 14.3 mpg. Does it take a genius to figure out why?

Volkswagens

ka1167 wrote:
Freddie40 wrote:

And go out and buy a diesel car. Some get over 50mpg, pollute much less ( yes they do! ) and look like real cars, unlike the hybrids.

Great idea. Kindly let us know, will you, what models are available in the U.S. for less than $40K.

Volkswagens come to mind: the Golf, Jetta and even the Passat. Although they had a brain fart over in Germany and decided not to import them the last couple of years, I think they are planning on bringing them back. Chrysler had a diesel Jeep Liberty that I think still exists ( interestingly, Chrysler has a lot of models selling in Europe that are diesel, including Jeeps, minivans, the PT Cruiser and even the 400 ). I think you'll have a lot more choice in 2009.

why price of gas is going up

spullis wrote:

kapnketel - Though I was just venting, my point is that if thousands of drivers are using a few extra gallons of gas to go 100 miles, the demand for gas increases. As demand goes up, the already high price continues to go up. That, in turn, costs me and others who are trying to conserve fuel, more money. I really don't want to pay more for gas so someone else can get to Birmingham 12 minutes faster.

I can understand your point and slowing down does make sense but it will not make the price of gas go down. Demand is going up because of the global demand on fuel, meaning China and India are starting to use more fuel, much more than conserving fuel here at home can compensate for. But it sure can't hurt and it does reduce our carbon footprint.

Available now ?

Freddie40 wrote:

Although they had a brain fart over in Germany and decided not to import them the last couple of years, I think they are planning on bringing them back.

So, to summarize, the total number of new diesel cars on the US market right now (reasonably priced) is how many......none ??

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Diesel??

I can't figure out Diesel pricing. Somemtimes it is less than regular fuel, and sometimes it is more. Also, around here many gas stations either have only one Diesel pump or none at all. I think Diesel is not the solution in some areas.

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When I first got my 85 mbenz diesel...

mashryock wrote:

I can't figure out Diesel pricing. Somemtimes it is less than regular fuel, and sometimes it is more. Also, around here many gas stations either have only one Diesel pump or none at all. I think Diesel is not the solution in some areas.

Diesel fuel was the cheapest fuel you could buy, now it's the most expensive... It seems like the oil companies see an easy way to get rich even quicker.....

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24% mpg improvement in Civic

I just returned from a vacation trip driving 60mph instead of my usual 72mph. My gas milage went from 42mpg to 52mpg in my Civic Hybrid. Slowing down added about half an hour to my five hour trip, but cruising in the slow lane was much more relaxing than navigating with the 85mph SUVs in the fast lane.

I don't pretend to understand the dynamics of supply, demand, and speculation in the oil market, but I'd guess that an organized effort to reduce demand in the US would have a significant effect on gas prices. How about "Slow and Easy Sundays" as a test? Everyone slows down to 60mph on Sunday and see what happens to gas prices.

Diesel is higher because.......

mashryock wrote:

I can't figure out Diesel pricing. Somemtimes it is less than regular fuel, and sometimes it is more.

For the past 8 months or so, it has been higher, and will likely stay that way. Their initial excuse was the new requirement for ultra-low sulphur formulation.

Somehow I doubt that really justifies the ~$.75 a gallon difference but they are getting away with it so it's not likely to change.

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500 mile round trip

Just got back from a trip to Jacksonville, NC, which is a 500 mile round trip for me. Drove the posted speed limit the entire way and all my starts were easy. Not like my normal drag strip take off. Got an extra 4 MPG. Stress factor was extremely low, except for twice I had tail gaters behind me. Open road and some turkey decides to tailgate. Honestly, had to pull off road once to get get rid of him. Maybe he thought he would save gas by drafting.

When I filled the car up it was very nice to get the bonus of not having to pay for extra gas. think my driving habits have starting changing for the better.

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