Anti photo camera devices

 

I'm new to this forum, but am curious if anyone has any experience with the available camera devices, i.e. License tag sprays or tag covers available out there. If so any recommendations. I know RadarRoy (http://www.radarbusters.com/?source=rnet) has a few on his site for sale and others exist. Any field reports?

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I disagree, about "Scooter,

I disagree, about "Scooter, there are currently no working redlight cameras in the Commonwealth of Virginia", sorry.

My friend just got a ticket in Alexandria.

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I disagree with there is no help.

Maxthrottle wrote:

I'm new to this forum, but am curious if anyone has any experience with the available camera devices, i.e. License tag sprays or tag covers available out there. If so any recommendations. I know RadarRoy (http://www.radarbusters.com/?source=rnet) has a few on his site for sale and others exist. Any field reports?

There are measures to defeat cams and lidar. And they work.

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But no points

You may get a ticket, but you don't get points!!! That is what is the important part. I can pay tickets all day long, but the points can suspend your license.

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Points

That thing about 'points' is what got redlight cameras declared illegal for now in Iowa - the infractions were not being reported to the DOT creating an 'un equal protection under the law' issue...and the state legislature wimped out on rewriting the law to legalize them, or flat out outlaw them in the recently ended session. Which gives me something to talk to those 'state level congress-critters' about in the off-season. smile

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Not trying to argue but ...

asianfire wrote:

I disagree, about "Scooter, there are currently no working redlight cameras in the Commonwealth of Virginia", sorry.

My friend just got a ticket in Alexandria.[/quote
If you look at this pdf, you can see the the City Manager in Alexandria just asked the City Council in March for permission/funding to reinstitute the red light camera program since the General Assembly JUST passed the measure allowing them again in the Commonwealth.

http://alexandriava.gov/budget/budget2008/memos/pdf/memo24.p...

The General Assembly only passed the measure in February. The localities have not had the time to implement funding for these programs yet.

Click for Washington Post Article

Hey if I am wrong, I am

Hey if I am wrong, I am wrong. I'll have to double check with my friend and see where he got his ticket.

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Most are on the rockets and

Most are on the rockets and have no cares about anything.But they bounce right off a pickup truck.

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Actually Flashing your

Actually Flashing your lights to warn someone that there is a radar or policeman ahead has been challenged in the courts by the police as "illegal" and it was thrown out of court by a judge as "FREEDOM OF SPEECH"

Away

Been busy taking care of my wife and taking her for follow up tests and trying to learn how to cook. What a joke that is.If there,s such a thing as reincarnation please Lord don,t let me come back as a women. Anyways everything is fine. So far I was told by three different people that they got a summons for "unobstructed plates on their cars and they said all that they had covering the plate was a Plastic cover. Thats in SouthEastern Virginia. I be careful what you cover your license plate with.On fine was $85.00 and the other two were $65.00. One in chesapeake va. and the other two in Hampton. different counties.

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yeah, but...

drm1963 wrote:

Actually Flashing your lights to warn someone that there is a radar or policeman ahead has been challenged in the courts by the police as "illegal" and it was thrown out of court by a judge as "FREEDOM OF SPEECH"

Talk to just about any LEO and you may find that there are quite a few of the "bad guys" that are caught and apprehended due to a traffic stop.

So, flashing the lights to warn other motorists may be a legal act of Freedom of Speech, it may also be allowing another "bad guy" to get away.

It's would be interesting if any LEO's out there might have some statistics on this fact.

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I live in the DC area and am

I live in the DC area and am in Northern VA all the time and they totally have cameras and they are now popping up super fast.... next time i take a trip into NVA I will send the intersections in...but there are cameras and more everyday

Don't waste your time and

Don't waste your time and money. Myth busters tested all the plate shields and they all failed. No matter what angle they took the shoot in the plate was clearly visable.

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Red Light Camera

Speeding i find sometimes is unavoidable.
But running red lights is just reckless.there is just no excuse for doing that

Wana Bet

omnitek wrote:

Speeding i find sometimes is unavoidable.
But running red lights is just reckless.there is just no excuse for doing that

I have seen people get hit in the rear by some jerk because the light turned red and the poor person that got hit was being tailgated and the SOB that was tailgating decided that the poor person in front of him was going to run the light and accelerated instead of hitting the brakes.

I think these cameras are more of a danger in crowded cities like NY than they are devices to prevent accidents. As far as I am concerned they are nothing more than revenue generators for the politicians that tax us and spend our money.

Double Tap

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the spray for the tags does

the spray for the tags does not work

I'm in California ...

where some of the most inconsiderate drivers are, but don't waste your time on ways to beat the system, don't go though yellow lights! Very simple when you think it through.

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Agree

Double Tap wrote:
omnitek wrote:

Speeding i find sometimes is unavoidable.
But running red lights is just reckless.there is just no excuse for doing that

I have seen people get hit in the rear by some jerk because the light turned red and the poor person that got hit was being tailgated and the SOB that was tailgating decided that the poor person in front of him was going to run the light and accelerated instead of hitting the brakes.

I think these cameras are more of a danger in crowded cities like NY than they are devices to prevent accidents. As far as I am concerned they are nothing more than revenue generators for the politicians that tax us and spend our money.

Double Tap

I agree,we have a habit to speed up,and others hoping we will not get our picture taken,but when we do decide to stop and not get our picture taken the person behind you may put the pedal to the metal and crash in your rear end.
Ron

Red Light Camera

I agree there are situations were you have no choice
but to go through a red light. First off, a driver should always be looking behind and know whats there.
If I see a nutbar tailgater I start braking alot earlier, allowing a safer stopping distance and cushion. If I cant stop safely I'll go trough and either buy the ticket or try to fight it(almost Impossible). Beats the other option of getting whacked from behind.

Red Light Camera

I agree there are situations were you have no choice
but to go through a red light. First off, a driver should always be looking behind and know whats there.
If I see a nutbar tailgater I start braking alot earlier, allowing a safer stopping distance and cushion. If I cant stop safely I'll go trough and either buy the ticket or try to fight it(almost Impossible). Beats the other option of getting whacked from behind.
But it does weed out some of the morons and aggressive out there.
Like anything else it has its pro's and cons

I am in Costa Mesa, CA.

I am in Costa Mesa, CA. They have several cameras taking front and rear photos. They shoot at least 30 frames of each violation so the spray probably wouldn't be able to blind all those frames.

Several of them are now in

Several of them are now in Santa Ana as well..

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THIS IS THE WAY

I don't remember if it was Youtube but saw a video clip of the ONLY way you can fool surveillance cameras- it was from a surveillance camera clip of someone walking toward the camera wearing a hat with a clip-on lighth with an infrared LED- all that could be seen of the person's face was a big white blob- this would probably work with toll and speed cams because they are also tilted slightly toward the infrared spectrum. The cool thing is the LED light would be undetectable to any police officer that pulled you over! We need to build a infrared LED License plate holder.or a bright infra red bulb to replace the license plate illuminator in our cars... Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_UE3s9edVo
and this
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/02/20/infrared-leds-make-y.ht...

They also make license plate

They also make license plate flippers, where you can make the plate lay down and you can't see it.

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Photoblocker WORKS!

Maxthrottle wrote:

I'm new to this forum, but am curious if anyone has any experience with the available camera devices, i.e. License tag sprays or tag covers available out there. If so any recommendations. I know RadarRoy (http://www.radarbusters.com/?source=rnet) has a few on his site for sale and others exist. Any field reports?

For those of you who say that sprays don't work, well ... one does. Photoblocker works! If it did not work, then why would 3 states (MD,IL,CA) go through the trouble of having to amend their laws to include "sprays" and "visibility to photo-enforcement systems" if Photoblocker did not work??

See the video page if you want to see the proof. Watch the first two videos at the top of the page.

http://www.shinyplate.com/video.htm

One is a test with the Denver PD performed in 2002 and the other is from late last year where California banned Photoblocker because it was taking revenue from their tollway cameras.

Again...if it does not work, then why would they ban it?

I don't care if you buy it from me, but buy it and protect yourself from the greedy cities who just care about their bottom line, and not your safety.

http://www.photoblocker.com

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They disabled the flash

prismtx wrote:

A local news station did a "Deal or Dud" report on the sprays that you can put on your license plate to block the red-light cameras. They worked with the police and took pictures with the camera before the spray was applied and after. The pictures after the spray were actually much clearer and sharper than the non-sprayed. The news crew declared the product a dud, but the cop thought it was a deal because it actually made the city's work easier.

They disabled the flash for the test. They did the test with Garland who set up the test with ACS for a particular intersection. They then disabled the flash on that camera for the test. They did the same with Ch11. I have PROOF if you would like to see it. grin

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temporary fix....

dave4jp wrote:

Someone once told me that by applying "aqua-net-pump" hair spray to the plate, that it will make the plate "invisible" to traffic cameras...........sounds fishy to me though.

Plus it would wash off in the first rain or car wash.

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Gadget guy

DizzyFox wrote:

Awesome, the new FoxPlate looks awesome, i just dont see how any camera could get your plate numbers with this hooked up and working.

I would want it just for the "coolness" factor. grin

But...what if you forgot to hit the button before approaching an enforced intersection??

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Lack of information....

Maxthrottle wrote:

I find it interesting that a number of posters deride folks for asking about license tag spray or covers, assuming anyone interested in these devices just wants to speed through and not get caught. Meanwhile they are on a site that posts locations of radar traps and photo red lights. I suppose they use this information to discuss over the water cooler at work..Not to adjust their driving habits..In Virginia these lights were outlawed but are now coming back. One down the street has a about a two second yellow light and is probably a great revenue maker for the city. Sometimes it's more dangerous trying to stop than continuing on. So your choices are .. have an accident or get a ticket..

Our society, as a whole, cares little about what does not directly affect them. It's human nature. So, reasonably, some think that because they do not run red lights that the cameras are not going to affect them. I personally have never had a citation for that offense (knocking on wood). Speeding....well....once or twice. But I took the time to look into the programs and found out that there is much more to them than what the cities want their citizens to know.

They have been in the UK for years and have not deterred speeding, or reduced accidents in the least. But they are still there because they are making the cities millions in revenue. Just as they are here. Even though accidents have increased in every single city which has installed them, city officials claim they are a success. One city actually acted responsibly (Lubbock Texas) and removed them after a study showed the drastic increase in accidents, and then lack of projected revenue. They could not move them after they were also caught with short yellows. Which factor weighed more into the decision? Well...only their city council would know.

For those who actually would like to educate themselves on the cameras, good and bad, can hit the following link:

http://www.thenewspaper.com

Some INDEPENDENT camera studies:
http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/04/430.asp

Otherwise....happy motoring. grin

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Again....

orbital wrote:

Check these links out..... I wrote a lot about this stuff and just figured I would post the link. Also, ttime4four is giving some good advice. Sprays are worthless, look into other counter measures.
http://www.poi-factory.com/node/1942
and
http://www.poi-factory.com/node/1915

Irrefutable proof that Photoblocker works!!

Denver PD and Fox News 31 proved that it works in 2002. Since then there has been a campaign of misinformation against it. If there is a countermeasure to a multi-million dollar cash cow, do you think that vendors want it widely known that there is something that thwarts their systems?

http://www.shinyplate.com/video.htm

Again, buy it or not. But be educated that there is a defense against the cameras that WORKS!

And...sorry, but ANY process in this country where you are GUILTY until proven innocent is illegal. And that is exactly how the camera programs work.

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Nah....

bdwyman wrote:

And if the application is designed to refelct the light of the flash, thereby making the plate unreadable, won't it do the same when the LEO's headlights, or even just any other vehicle's headlights, shine on your plate and thereby blow your cover??

It is not that noticeable. Since I have a sign on the back of my truck, it may prompt them to look at my plates a bit harder. But it is not something that just stands out at them. Besides, headlights are not the same candlepower as the flashes are.

Now...if he hit you with a spot light, that may be a different story. But he'd still have to PROVE that you have it applied. And do you think that they would go thru the hassle of that for a $50-$60 fine? Besides, it's only illegal in four states. Most states just mandate that the plate be clearly visible to an officer. Photoblocker does not hinder that.

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Civil, not criminal...

TMK wrote:
Motorcycle Mama wrote:

I think there is a difference between people asking for legal information about the location of cameras and speed traps so that they can be aware of these locations and adjust their driving if necessary and people asking about illegal substances and so forth to block their license plates.

Everyone who travels in southeastern Virginia has long known that Emporia is a speed enforcement zone. And everyone warns each other not to speed in this area. Sharing these locations is the same. And is legal.

However, I, for one, would hope that the discussion of illegal activities does not occur on this forum.
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Ummm...warning each other of the location in real time would seem to my small mind to be an obstruction of justice, thus illegal activity that you'd like to see kept off the board wink

Regards, Ted

Besides, camera tickets are civil issues between you and the city. Not criminal. That's how they are getting away with making you guilty first!

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Funny....

cruzh wrote:

Don't waste your time and money. Myth busters tested all the plate shields and they all failed. No matter what angle they took the shoot in the plate was clearly visable.

I watched that episode. Funny how they had SOMEONE else come in and run the camera for them. Why was that? I don't recall them having anyone else help them with their experiments in the other episodes I saw?

And I don't know what kind of camera that was, but it was not an RLC camera or a speedvan setup. Why did they not use one of those instead??

There are ALL SORTS of inconsistencies with that "experiment"

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Actually, they do get help

shinyplate wrote:

I watched that episode. Funny how they had SOMEONE else come in and run the camera for them. Why was that? I don't recall them having anyone else help them with their experiments in the other episodes I saw?

And I don't know what kind of camera that was, but it was not an RLC camera or a speedvan setup. Why did they not use one of those instead??

There are ALL SORTS of inconsistencies with that "experiment"

You must not have watched many episodes because on quite a few occasions they have someone come to help them with their experiments.
Sometimes I feel like screaming at them through the TV because they miss stuff that's real obvious, but I though that episode was pretty solid, especially with the revisit episode.
The first episode was Episode 73 — "Speed Cameras" and the second was Episode 87 - Myth Evolution!
Perhaps you saw the first one and had the same gripes that caused them to do the revisit. I can't quite remember all the details.

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GO TO MYTH BUSTERS

they tried many of the things you are talking about . NONE of them worked....

Just slow down and dont run red lights, it has worked for me!smile

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Regardless....

nhl2k wrote:

You must not have watched many episodes because on quite a few occasions they have someone come to help them with their experiments.
Sometimes I feel like screaming at them through the TV because they miss stuff that's real obvious, but I though that episode was pretty solid, especially with the revisit episode.
The first episode was Episode 73 — "Speed Cameras" and the second was Episode 87 - Myth Evolution!
Perhaps you saw the first one and had the same gripes that caused them to do the revisit. I can't quite remember all the details.

It was the one which they revisited the previous experiment.

Regardless, I have video proof which shows that it works as advertised.

Believe what you will. smile

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Just a matter of time...

werskine wrote:

they tried many of the things you are talking about . NONE of them worked....

Just slow down and dont run red lights, it has worked for me!smile

I have all the evidence to the contrary, but you seem to want to ignore it. Oh well. Lead a horse to water.... grin

One day, you'll have someone ridin' your tailpipe and the yellow will show, and you'll push it because you don't think it safe to come to an even semi-abrupt stop. Or...it'll be raining and you'll feel absolutely justified in pushing the yellow. Then...in the mail ... a nice pic of you "running the red light." Then you'll have to make a showing at the court to plead your case that you could not safely stop at that intersection in your opinion due to the rain. And they "might" let you go. I doubt it. But it may be worth trying. If they do, well, you still had to waste a couple hours of your day to fight a ticket that a cop, with an objective view of the current conditions, may not have given you.

It'll happen one day. The system is rigged to do so. smile

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I don't believe them anyways....

nhl2k wrote:

You must not have watched many episodes because on quite a few occasions they have someone come to help them with their experiments.

I watched the one where they submerged the car in the pool and the one dude tried to breath the air from the tire.

Apparently he did not do it right. I've seen 007 and others do that all the time. I don't know what his problem could have been!! He lost all creditability with me right there! I started watching Spike TV's "Manswers" instead. grin

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Here's the link to the myth

Here's the link to the myth buster episode where they tested all the stuff in regards to this.

http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2007/03/episode_73_beating_the_sp...

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Sales pitch

OK Shinyplate. After 12 posts, we get your point. I know there are no specific rules about selling a product, but the few members that that do sell something on the side are VERY discrete about it. This is not discrete. I frankly think you've taken it a bit too far. And as an amateur photographer, I personally believe these products can work under certain conditions, but for the most part, they aren't effective. It assumes that a flash is used. Thats not always the case.

All I'm really asking here is that you please tone down the sales pitches in your posts. It really takes away from the purpose of the site. Thanks for your attention and help.

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red light cameras

I don;t speed through red lights or try to beat the yellow light. I do however enjoy hearing the alert when approaching a camera location. It gives a feeling that using the gps is a good investment. Let' just say the alerts are" fun".
gusb

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Not trying to sell here....

Doc_Brown wrote:

OK Shinyplate. After 12 posts, we get your point. I know there are no specific rules about selling a product, but the few members that that do sell something on the side are VERY discrete about it. This is not discrete.

With all due respect, I am not trying to sell here. Just correcting "incorrect" information. That's it. I am here for the same reason as you. Just putting my 2 cents in on discussions, just like you.

If I was trying to sell, I would not be "replying" to threads. I would be posting them to begin with. I have done nothing but dispute inaccurate information. I have not once said, "You need to buy my product!" Yes, I have linked to my site for the video, just because I know where the video is rather than fumbling through You Tube trying to find it again. Doesn't mean that you have to go check it out.

However, you are correct about one thing. It does rely on the flash. Otherwise there is nothing to reflect. At this time, all of the manufacturers have flashes on the camera that work night and day. Believe what you will. I am not here to change your mind.

I will take your comments under advisement and try to refrain from comments which may appear to be a sales pitch rather than a simple comment as so not to offend. grin

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Not the same cameras....

clint45 wrote:

Here's the link to the myth buster episode where they tested all the stuff in regards to this.

http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2007/03/episode_73_beating_the_speed_camera_exploding_patches.html

Quote:

Plate blockers

Myth: You can put something over your license plate that only obscures it to speed cameras

Adam took photos of it with his Canon SLR

Uh...Canon SLR is not the same as a red light or speed camera. Therefore it is not an accurate test. grin

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Pictures of plate obscurations....

If you want to see some examples of folks trying to obscure cameras, see the newsletter (Winter 2007 in media info) from the E-470 toll road in CO. Scroll down to "Protecting your Investment". One of those pictures should have resulted in a child abuse charge.

The link: http://e-470.com/Default.aspx?tabid=228

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Myth Busters

intentionalfun wrote:

Mythbusters did an episode on this topic a while back and NOTHING beat the cameras.....NOTHING.

I was just about to post this...They even wrapped the car in Tin Foil..and other such fun stuff to foil the camera and radar etc..

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Anti photo camera devices

Mythbusters (Discovery channel) tried all the devices on the market, including sprays, transparent covers, polarizing covers and other stuff. None of them worked.

Nothing Beats The Camera

Frisbee Golfer wrote:
intentionalfun wrote:

Mythbusters did an episode on this topic a while back and NOTHING beat the cameras.....NOTHING.

I was just about to post this...They even wrapped the car in Tin Foil..and other such fun stuff to foil the camera and radar etc..

On the episode I watched MythBusters used the company that makes the cameras. They even drove a Ferrari at top speed and nothing beat the camera.

All this talk about not paying the penalty when you break the law or spending more money to avoid paying a fine, it would just be cheaper and safer to drive responsibly and obey the laws.

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Definitely illegal here in

Definitely illegal here in Ontario Canada.

I don't know what I was thinking....

normk49 wrote:

Mythbusters (Discovery channel) tried all the devices on the market, including sprays, transparent covers, polarizing covers and other stuff. None of them worked.

You're right. I don't know what came over me. Myth Busters, being the irrefutable scientific resource of television that they are, if they say it can't be done...well...who am I to argue. If they can't do it, then it simply cannot be done.

I apologize for my unfounded and ill-advised opinion.

I just have one question. How do you explain this?

http://208.65.153.251/watch?v=nXn4H23FO-8

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I watch Myth buster too and

I watch Myth buster too and that was a fun episode to watch!

But they arent always

But they arent always correct.

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