2597LMT questions

 

New 2597LMT. Vast improvement over my previous 50LM, but I have a couple questions:

1) When I use Trip Planner to save a route (My somewhat convoluted route to work takes about the same amount of time as the 2597's route, but has less traffic lights and more freeway so is less unpleasant), why is it that every via point on the route adds 2-7 minutes to the final ETA? I can see the ETA drop by several minutes immediately after passing a via point. For a 7.8 mile trip, the original ETA was 12 minutes later than the actual ETA. Is there a better way to save routes for a more accurate ETA?

2) Is traffic actually supposed to work? On a 20 mile trip across Omaha the other day, traffic warned me of a little pocket that probably didn't even cost me a minute. However it was completely unaware of a larger pocket of traffic that cost me 2-3 minutes, and also completely unaware of a major logjam that cost me 9 minutes. Is it just because Omaha is a smaller metro area so traffic isn't as current as it might be elsewhere? Or is this just the nature of the beast?

Thanks for any and all insights!

My Thoughts

You have to be sure the vias you create with Trip Planner are actually on your direct route and not off the highway slightly. The lost time may be due to navigating off an exit ramp and then back on the highway. Check the route by simulating it and zooming in to see where the via points are actually located.

I avoid this issue by creating routes in Basecamp and altering them without the use of vias. I then import and save the routes into my GPSr.

I live in an area where the Garmin traffic receivers are all but useless. I have much better luck with Garmin’s free Smartphone Link app. The onetime fee for the “Live Traffic” option is well worth it if you have an Iphone or Android smartphone.

thanks

bdhsfz6 wrote:

You have to be sure the vias you create with Trip Planner are actually on your direct route and not off the highway slightly. The lost time may be due to navigating off an exit ramp and then back on the highway. Check the route by simulating it and zooming in to see where the via points are actually located.

I avoid this issue by creating routes in Basecamp and altering them without the use of vias. I then import and save the routes into my GPSr.

I live in an area where the Garmin traffic receivers are all but useless. I have much better luck with Garmin’s free Smartphone Link app. The onetime fee for the “Live Traffic” option is well worth it if you have an Iphone or Android smartphone.

The vias are definitely on the route as I created them by tapping on my vehicle icon and saving the location while I was driving.

I'm not familiar with Basecamp. I guess I have some research to do!

Thanks for your reply smile

TRAFFIC

I live and work in the Philadelphia, PA area a much larger area than Omaha. I have a 2460 with traffic and it's hit and miss, sometimes just as I pull up to a jam it'll say "traffic ahead", sometimes it'll warn me, and you can see the red or yellow line on the map down the road, and there's nothing by the time I get there, and every now and then it'll be on the money. I really don't pay it much mind now, it was part of the package when I bought the 2460 so it's not a loss, I use the 2460 at work and use a CB radio for traffic reports.

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shaping Points

dave31175 wrote:

New 2597LMT. Vast improvement over my previous 50LM, but I have a couple questions:

1) When I use Trip Planner to save a route (My somewhat convoluted route to work takes about the same amount of time as the 2597's route, but has less traffic lights and more freeway so is less unpleasant), why is it that every via point on the route adds 2-7 minutes to the final ETA? I can see the ETA drop by several minutes immediately after passing a via point. For a 7.8 mile trip, the original ETA was 12 minutes later than the actual ETA. Is there a better way to save routes for a more accurate ETA?

2) Is traffic actually supposed to work? On a 20 mile trip across Omaha the other day, traffic warned me of a little pocket that probably didn't even cost me a minute. However it was completely unaware of a larger pocket of traffic that cost me 2-3 minutes, and also completely unaware of a major logjam that cost me 9 minutes. Is it just because Omaha is a smaller metro area so traffic isn't as current as it might be elsewhere? Or is this just the nature of the beast?

Thanks for any and all insights!

talked to my friend, what he did is upgraded to a 2797, which is sort of similar to your unit. He started using shaping points instead of vias, and it stopped adding time to the ETA. I'm sure he does this on the unit, because I know he doesn't use Basecamp. I have an idea about the shaping points, but I don't think I can properly describe what to do. Perhaps one of the others can describe how to use the shaping points to edit your route.

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Shaping points

phranc wrote:

Perhaps one of the others can describe how to use the shaping points to edit your route.

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/45037

Cheers smile

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OK what ?

I just looked up jgermann's explanation of how to do shaping points and printed it.

But what I would like to know is, what is the difference between setting up a route using waypoints which I have done for years and SHAPING points?

It seems to me you are still using the waypoints since you must have at least 3 waypoints and up to 30 waypoints to create shaping points.
Something in my head does not compute.

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Shaping points advantages

1- You will not be alerted as you're navigating and arriving at a shaping point as you are when using waypoints/vias.

2- If you deviate purposely off your route, the unit will skip the upcoming shaping point and navigate you to your next shaping or waypoint.

The disadvantage of using only waypoints is when you deviate purposely off your route the unit will try to route you back to the waypoint that you didn't go through.

3- When using shaping points with certain units you're able to manually skip an upcoming shaping point.

Source:

https://support.garmin.com/support/searchSupport/case.faces?caseId={b9db4250-5dbb-11e5-56c8-000000000000}

Note: Shaping points do not contain arrival time or distance between points information.

https://support.garmin.com/support/searchSupport/case.faces?caseId={ded5ca70-88e8-11e3-d5f4-000000000000}

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Shaping points

For what reason you would use Shaping Points instead of via?

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Shaping points

rthibodaux wrote:

For what reason you would use Shaping Points instead of via?

Forget this. I didn't see the previous post.

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Shaping points

I have 3590 and made a trip in Trip Planner like the instruction stated. I saved the trip. When I touch the orange flag nothing happens, what am I doing wrong.

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2012

The 3590 is a 2012 model. Shaping points were introduced with the 2013 nuvi models.

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2012

Thank you for the reply.

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Traffic

It' pretty easy to tell if you have digital traffic available or not, although it is not really explained in the manual.

When you select the 3 horizontal bar icon in the lower right corner of the map display, a sub panel will appear. On my 3597 the Traffic icon is at the top right corner of the panel.

Pressing on the icon will give you 1 of 4 messages:

1. No traffic reported.
2. There is traffic on your route.
3. Searching for traffic signal.
4. Traffic not supported.

#1 tells you that it is receiving a Traffic signal and there is no traffic on your route. NOTE: If a route has not been selected, the Garmin will use the street or highway you are on.

#2 tells you that there is traffic - press on message to see where and how long a delay.

#3 tells you that it is searching for a FM station near you. There is a list stored in the Garmin listing all the stations it should scan for. I don't know how the program works (by region or other). If you are in a non-covered area (like the middle of Nevada), it will say no signal found after a while. It will look for one periodically, but I don't know the timespan between searches.

#4 tells you to restart everything (if you really do have a Traffic receiver hooked up):
a. Remove Garmin from mount and let it power down.
b. Unplug power cord/receiver.
c. After a 10 second wait, plug the power cord back in.
d. Wait a few seconds and place the Garmin in the mount and wait for it to power up.
Not everybody may see the #4 message, but I do once in a while.

One way to know that traffic is working is that the Weather icon is not greyed out. - No Traffic signal means no Weather.

One other thing. - For best reception, keep the little black box above the dash as that has the antenna in it. My Garmin is on a Beanbag mount in the center of the dash and the cord is draped over the mirror.

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Canuk

canuk wrote:
phranc wrote:

Perhaps one of the others can describe how to use the shaping points to edit your route.

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/45037

Cheers smile

Thanks Canuk. I was being lazy and in a hurry.

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Frank DriveSmart55 37.322760, -79.511267

No Traffic

Forgot about another message. Thought of it on the way to work.

5. No Traffic found.

Means no FM station found with Traffic data.

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Metricman Nuvi 660, GTM-20 Traffic Receiver Nuvi 3597 GTM-60 Traffic Receiver Williamsburg, VA

Shaping points ?

Allright now, I monkeyed around with my 2797 for about 2-3 hours to see what these shaping points are all about.

First thing I found out it appears you cannot do it with an existing route. It seems that it has to be a NEWLY created route.Even though in an existing route there is a yellow flag next to the waypoint.

I also found out that a shaping point can be reverted back to a waypoint by clicking the odd symbol for the shaping point.
THIS IS OR WAS NOT MENTIONED BY ANY OF OUR KIND CONTRIBUTORS !!!

I am also wondering about the usefulness of shaping points. Apparently a shaping point will not give you an audible clue that you have to be aware of a change in the route. Would that mean you now need to keep an eye on the GPS screen for route direction changes? In my opinion that is useless if you are traveling in unfamiliar territory.
At least a waypoint gives you a warning as to what is about to happen.

Any comments ?

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metricman, Great info

Thank you

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shaping points

Melaqueman wrote:

Allright now, I monkeyed around with my 2797 for about 2-3 hours to see what these shaping points are all about.

First thing I found out it appears you cannot do it with an existing route. It seems that it has to be a NEWLY created route.Even though in an existing route there is a yellow flag next to the waypoint.

I also found out that a shaping point can be reverted back to a waypoint by clicking the odd symbol for the shaping point.
THIS IS OR WAS NOT MENTIONED BY ANY OF OUR KIND CONTRIBUTORS !!!

I am also wondering about the usefulness of shaping points. Apparently a shaping point will not give you an audible clue that you have to be aware of a change in the route. Would that mean you now need to keep an eye on the GPS screen for route direction changes? In my opinion that is useless if you are traveling in unfamiliar territory.
At least a waypoint gives you a warning as to what is about to happen.

Any comments ?

Shaping points have been around for years in the Garmin line. It is only recently the automotive units have started supporting them. The Zumo series for motorcycles had them for a long time. But enough about that.

The advantage of a shaping point is not just the no alert on arrival or the fact it does not display on the screen as much as it isn't added to the list of saved places that have to be cleaned out every so often. I've been using them for a few years with my 3597 (my first unit that supported them) by designating them as such in BaseCamp as I create route. I haven't tried creating a route with more than one or two vias or waypoints on the unit, I find it too tedious.

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Traffic

On my 2595, the traffic reporting is hit or miss. Sometimes it's spot on and gives you a warning ahead of time. (although turing the icon red or yellow for something on the route that's 25-50 miles away is not particularly useful or helpful IMO. Also, the icon on my unit will not change color if the signal is lost or unavailable in the area. This means that if the last state was no traffic (green icon) and the unit loses a signal, it -stays- green. When it was new it would turn grey as an indication that traffic was not up to date any longer. Garmin broke this useful function during one of their early firmware updates. They never corrected it despite many reports to them.

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Played arounsome more

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Played around some more with the 2797 and the shaping points. I drive over 2,500 miles every fall and return in the spring, so two waypoints would not do. My concern about doing away with the waypoints was that audible signals as to where and when to turn would be lost. But I used the "Simulator" function to set up a route with several waypoints cconverted to Shaping points and I was pleasantly surprised that all went as normal with audible directions, just the flags for waypoints were gone.

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Two answers

Concerning this post :

Melaqueman wrote:

First thing I found out it appears you cannot do it with an existing route. It seems that it has to be a NEWLY created route.Even though in an existing route there is a yellow flag next to the waypoint.

When I travel to Florida twice a year I have several different routes which I've created using trip planner on my 3597LMTHD. In each route I have a starting point along with many waypoints and finally an ending point.

Even though this route has been created for months in trip planner, I can at ant given time change a waypoint to a shaping point. I can't unfortunately comment on your specific unit and if this function works or not as I don't own one. The big advantage is you don't get the audible directions each and everytime your going and arriving at a waypoint when using the shaping point.

I'll put a waypoint in the middlle of Interstate 77 because thats the route I want to go and not because I want to visit a museum. When you use many waypoints to go a certain way it can be tedious/ a pain in the a** hearing the unit announcing the multiple waypoints that you really couldn't care less about hence the advantage of a shaping point.

Concerning this post:

Melaqueman wrote:

I used the "Simulator" function to set up a route with several waypoints cconverted to Shaping points and I was pleasantly surprised that all went as normal with audible directions, just the flags for waypoints were gone.

I've found the same, they act/work the same way as a waypoint but are silent grin

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I found

canuk wrote:

When I travel to Florida twice a year I have several different routes which I've created using trip planner on my 3597LMTHD. In each route I have a starting point along with many waypoints and finally an ending point.

Even though this route has been created for months in trip planner, I can at ant given time change a waypoint to a shaping point. I can't unfortunately comment on your specific unit and if this function works or not as I don't own one.

I found the same thing about Melaqueman's statement about the route/trip having to be newly created and commented on it when he made the same post in another thread. This is just not the case, and at least on the 3597, it doesn't matter whether the trip/route was created today or months ago. I can't begin to understand why it would not be the same on other Nuvi model's that support shaping points but with Garmin who can ever be sure.

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@ t923347

I came across this thread first when I logged on tonight and immediately replied before passing on to the next one.

If I would have read through all my unread posts first, I wouldn't have answered Melaqueman as our findings are identical and your explanation was once again perfect smile

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possible exlanation.

I think I have a possible explanation. One would assume that if you wanted to change waypoints to shaping points on a saved trip, you would bring up the trip, go to the 3 bar menu and press "Edit destinations" like you do when you want to make other kinds of modifications to the trip. But as I recall (and I don't have access to my 3597 right now to check it), when you want to convert waypoints to shaping points, you don't select the edit menu. You do it on the main display after you select the trip in Trip Planner, before you click on the 3 bar menu pull up. Once you bring up the edit menu, you cannot select the flags. I found this confusing when I first got my 3597.

I suspect if Melaqueman tries this on his nuvi 2797, he will find he can change waypoints to shaping points on a saved trip.

@Melaqueman ... you might want to change your profile so it shows that you have a 2797. Makes it easier to respond to your posts when we know what devices you have.

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I think

I think that is a very possible explanation Alan. I changed my waypoints to shaping points by tapping Apps on the main menu screen and then selecting Trip Planner. In Trip Planner I selected a Trip by tapping on it's title and then tapped the waypoint flags in the list of them that appears for the selected trip. Each tapped flag brings up a warning and asks for confirmation that you want to change the waypoint to a shaping point. I never once tapped the 3 bar icon on any of the Trip Planner screens.

For anyone that hasn't attempted changing waypoints to shaping points you'll be happy to know that if you don't like the results, the shaping points can be easily changed back to waypoints. Just tap the shaping point icon that replaced the original waypoint flag and the Nuvi will immediately recalculate the trip and reset the point selected to a waypoint.

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Shaping points on 3597

I have a word document where I keep various instructions such as T923347 creating a custom dashboard, Alandb cloning method, hard reset procedure etc.

I noted that when your in the trip planner, all points (waypoints or locations) can be reordered if necessary by dragging and dropping the orange arrow icons on the touch screen. For shaping points all you have to do is touch the orange flag icon that's next to a waypoint.

Hoping this helps someone.

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