interesting (Automatic Transmission Fluid)

 

Nothing remotely connected to a GPS but I found the following very interesting and am going to try it on some rusted parts in my gas grill.

“Machinist Workshop Magazine” did a test on penetrating oils. Using nuts and bolts that they ‘scientifically rusted’ to a uniform degree by soaking in salt water, they then tested the break-out torque required to loosen the nuts. They treated the nuts with a variety of penetrates and measured the torque required to loosen them.
This is what they came up with:
Nothing: 516 lbs
WD-40: 238 lbs;
PB Blaster: 214 lbs;
Liquid Wrench: 127 lbs,
Kano Kroil: 106 lbs
Automatic transmission fluid/Acetone mix (50/50): 50 lbs.

The article went on to say it also makes a good gun bore cleaner. Just thought I'd pass it on.

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ATF

Automatic Transmission Fluid has a very high detergent content and most also have lanolin or a lanolin type additive in them. Many of the hydraulic orifices and passages in a Auto Trans are small so attention to keeping dirt particles broken down is critical. Also the friction material of the various clutch plates will become suspended in the lube as well and broken down. The lanolin or lanolin type additive is there to keep the various clutch-pack O'rings pliable and flexible so that they can do their job and seal when hydraulic force is applied.

For years when I was a working auto technician, when my hands were really filthy, I'd pour a small amount of auto trans fluid on them....rub all over the hands and then towel off.......THEN wash with a good soap. It was always interesting to see how that stuff would cut through some pretty tough grime.

I've never tried ATF on my guns, but would be willing to experiment with that 50/50 mix. One product I have used for a long time on my weapons and other mechanical products is Ballistol. It cleans weapons wonderfully and conditions the metal with a slick surface, the more applications the better. It also works well on keeping leather pliable and conditioned. I've also used Ballistol to pre-treat rusted fasteners and it works great.

That's my 2 cents...

good

to know, but as you say nothing to do with GPS

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actually

kkkelleher wrote:

to know, but as you say nothing to do with GPS

it could be useful information on loosening that nut behind the wheel.

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no kidding

kkkelleher wrote:

to know, but as you say nothing to do with GPS

That's why I put it in the open talk forum.

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Interesting, indeed!

Don B wrote:
kkkelleher wrote:

to know, but as you say nothing to do with GPS

That's why I put it in the open talk forum.

...and it's certainly more useful than a lot of the "chit chat" traffic we see around here....

i've worked in a

i've worked in a transmission shop for years and never heard of this. gonna try it though.

I think I'm going to have to

I think I'm going to have to try the Ballistol. Thanks for the tip.

thanks

Thanks for the tip, have a bolt I've been trying to loosen for a while, will try automatic transmission fluid next.

I have a couple of bolts

I have a couple of bolts that are going to need loosening in the very near future. Could be a useful tip. Thanks.

Not sure...

Not sure I'd try ATF on a rifle, it sounds like a mess -- and I don't think I want to mess with acetone, either.

Now something I have used for years to clean firearms is Hoppe's #9. It will even take rust off -- just rub it on the metal with your fingers, it's great.

Now if only they would make a Hoppe's #9 aftershave or cologne...

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What?

I though Hoppe's #9 *was* and aftershave!

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I've "snapped" off a few

I've "snapped" off a few rusted nuts in the past while trying to free them. I'll remember to try ATF first, next time.
Thanks for the tip.

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Nice to know

I have always used trans fluid for cleaning and penetrating rust, never thought about mixing with Acetone.
Thanks for the tip

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Friction Kills

My guess is, most automobile use fluid/oil/Lubricant have similar effect.

Good to know

Thanks, I keep a little ATF on the work bench but never used it for that. I will try it next time.

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Amazing. I should consider

Amazing.

I should consider replacing my WD-40 stock.

Thanks.

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Thanks -

Appreciate the tip. I'll use it on a couple of really tough nuts next door. Oh wait! Wrong kind of nuts.

ATF.

I found a pipe wrench ones that was completely rusted up. I stuck it in a can with ATF for about a week got it working again. Good stuff.

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Fried Cheese

Don B wrote:

Nothing remotely connected to a GPS but I found the following very interesting and am going to try it on some rusted parts in my gas grill.

When you re-light your grill, watch out for a flare-up from the ATF residue. Move the grill as far away from structures as possible. Keep low and as far back as you can. If you have any Nomex, use it. Just suggestions to keep your cheese from melting. wink

ATF

As is mentioned below, ATF does have some unique properties; it really is far better suited in an unintended application is as an affluent/coolant/cutting oil for such applications as your shade tree shop's drill press. Another unique property of ATF is if you soak your bare hands in the stuff working on transmissions all day with no protection, you can be provided with proof positive of how quickly the body can absorb chemical directly through the skin. Anyone that has ever walked around with that ATF "vomit mouth" can confirm this; don't know if it tastes like vomit, but it might as well and takes days to titrate from the body...

There is no way for me to know about the study you are quoting, but what I CAN TELL YOU is that there is much more to fasteners and torque than dumping some ATF on it. Also, there is no mention how it was applied and on what - likely brand new fasteners as corrosion cannot be controlled; nor can a control be put to work to use a standard scientific method to test with. After making a portion of my life's career doing such work in a lab for at the time what was the largest domestic auto maker - from both a lab technician to an engineer, just believe me, if it sounds too good to be true it likely is. Ironically, the torque to fail ("torque to yield" - or BREAK) the fastener would have been a better test method.

I'd not be at all phased by putting it on a gun as lubricant, but if you have say a seized lug nut or other fastener, the very most affective and safe way of removing it is heat applied properly; which means very hot and accurately only on the nut for a VERY short period - and have the tools right there ready to turn off your loose but hotter than Hell fastener the moment you remove the heat...

Enjoy - pleased to contribute to another OT thread...

not really

cameotabby wrote:

My guess is, most automobile use fluid/oil/Lubricant have similar effect.

read TheProf's post.

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Interesting

I don't like acetone very much. It is so volatile it evaporates and stinks things up a LOT. It hard to get the lid on the container tight enough you have any next time you open it. I don't have ATF around either because I have no automatics. But maybe I should get a little of each and give this a try. I've tried the other items on the list and never seen a big difference in performance. I use Kroil on my guns, however. Seems to be an effective lubricant/rust preventer.

Jim