City Navigator 2013.10 North America has been released

First thing I didn't know was that when doing a map update it will update the firmware also if older version is installed. I thought only Webupdater did that.

Second thing I didn't know that a a backed up gupdate.gcd will revert to an earlier firmware.
Does that mean while booting, it checks the gupdate.gcd file and if it doesn't correspond with what's on the unit it will install the firmware that is in the .gcd file?

Never experienced a firmware update while doing a map update since I always keep my firmware current.
Fortunatley I never experienced any problems with newer firmware.

Okay, I just spent the last hour or so downloading the LARGE JV file. As soon as I get the time I'll download the new maps.
I just couldn't bear the thought of downloading the new maps first and then not having the new JV file available. Maybe tonight after the missus and I get home from visiting her brother and his wife I'll do the rest.

Hi everyone! Im new here and waitng for my free membership to try out some of these "additions". Can't wait o test!

Where did you get 3.1.5? All I get is 3.1.11.

My 855 was updated this morning via Option 2 and like you, the installer was 3.1.11.

Don't know what version I had before, but updated it a week ago and all is good. Don't use it near as much as I used to now that I have a smart phone, but GPS is still valuable to me.

Yep, I think it started with the 2012.40 map update but for sure the update process now forces a firmware update prior to the map update if your not at the current version.

Yep again, when you use Webupdater or myDashboard to update the Nuvi's firmware it places a new gupdate.gcd file on the Nuvi. If you had the previous gupdate.gcd file available (made a backup), all you'd need to do would be to overwrite the new file with the old one and reboot the Nuvi.

On start up the Nuvi would warn you that you are attempting to install firmware that is OLDER than what is already on the device and ask you confirm that that's really what you wanted to do. Say yes and the old firmware is install.

is to edit the GarminDevice.xml before installing the map update.

and the adminstrators still haven't deleted this post, hummmmm.
I'll leave it at that.

@canuk, you can certainly go through the steps that Serg has detailed. Seems a bit easier to copy a file however.

The link to the "perry" site is still valid but I'd point out that it is of minimal use any more as it hasn't been updated since Jan. 2010 and has no firmware available for any of the 4 digit Nuvi models( other than the 5000) and probably some of the newest 3 digit models.

I didn't want to snip or cut part of the post Serg did out of respect to him and also to let others know that the method isn't only useful for map updates but also when registering or using WebUpdater to update everything else on the unit except the firmware.

I personally find it easier and much quicker to edit the GarminDevice.xml then proceeding your way but the importance is that the result is the same

My method also doesn't need any gupdate.gcd file

Hi everyone,

I just updated my 1450LMT directly to my SD card and found that the file size is smaller than what was reported in a earlier post. Are map file sizes different for each product?

My previous 2012.40 that is on internal memory
1,565,589,504

2013.10 upgrade:
1,602,551,808 bytes

Thanks!

The 2013.10 on both of my units (3790LMT & 1250T with LifeTime Maps) is 1,747,681,280 bytes in size.

I think I figured out why my update is smaller. I don't see any cities in Mexico. Is it possible Garmin is sending a reduced map due to internal memory limitations?

I used the XML trick to get the map installed on my 8GB SD card.

my update finally showed up an midnighton 5/12

Installed on my 1490T, download only took 28 minutes. I nerfed the small JCV file on the unit and put the large one in the SD card. Was pretty happy in the release timing, my 90 days runs out next weekend

The 2013.10 and 2012.40 maps for my 1490 are the same sizes as yours. MapSource shows that neither map has Mexico included.

https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=82601
According to the 1490LMT "In the Box" docs, it comes "Preloaded City Navigator® NT North America (U.S. and Canada)"

According to the nüMaps Lifetime™ footnote, "Unless otherwise stated, the updates you receive under the subscription will be updates to the same geographic map data originally included with your Garmin product when originally purchased"

Some newer models 2xxx, 3xxx have Mexico included.

Just updated my Garmin Nuvi 3590LMT with the new 2013.10 NA maps via Garmin Map Updater. Took about an hour to update. Longest time was downloading the new map.

Thank you both for the information regarding how to revert to an earlier firmware. Since it's not possible to get from Garmin, and the Perry site doesn't provide firmware for newer units, this is a valuable safety net.

Going forward, in addition to keeping a current backup of my Nuvi, I will make a separate folder for the GCD files. I will make subfolders and name them with the firmwares version so I can distinguish what they are. By doing so there will be no apprehension about downloading new firmware that may cause problems since a firmware backup will be in place. Sometimes problems may not be realized until several firmware updates, this way it’s possible to go back before the problem occurred. Although updates are supposed to fix problems, we know this doesn’t always happen.

I can't stress enough how important it is to back your files up. I hope others read your posts which may someday prevent avoidable aggravation.

I still haven't recieved one, have you ?

Updated mine 3490 to 2013.10 here what I get:

gmapprom.img 1.62 GB (1,747,648,512 bytes)
D3191050A.jcv 449 MB (471,049,071 bytes)
GMAP3D.img 182 MB (191,111,168 bytes)
GMAPTZ.img 581 KB (594,944 bytes)

Why 3490 have smaller JCV file than 765?

I have another 765 and get the 757MB JCV.

Thanks,

Once again, they are the same file. The difference in size is because the file on the 765 is all FULL screen views while the file on the 3490 is all SPLIT screen views.

Split screen views are only about half the size as full screen views and therefore the file is a lot smaller. Both files have the same number of views.

Thanks for quick respond.

I just go along with small one then.

I am starting to always use version 2, to me it so much easier to d/l the updates.

For my 855, WebUpdater pronounced my firmware up to date, but did not offer me a new map. The MyGarmin dashboard, in contrast, popped up an icon proclaiming the new map availability within seconds. As others, I used the version 2 option (i.e. a dedicated single-use update application small download, rather than downloading the lifetime updater I already have and don't want to rely on for this purpose).

All went well, with the download from Garmin phase proceeding at a rock-steady 1.1 Mbyte/sec as seen by the Windows 7 performance monitor. It think that is the rate to which Comcast throttles my long downloads, so probably Garmin could have gone faster. However the Garmin application reported a quite irregular readout of current download rate and expected time to complete (as on previous updates).

The new big JCV file mentioned above appears on a single trial to working correctly with my Nuvi 855.

WebUpdater does not check map status. MyGarmin->MyMaps will show status.

When have these updates been coming out?

I updated my new 3590LMT last week with 2012.40 and this week 2013.10 came out. Do they release 4 times a year or more often?

Up to four times a year. 2012.40 was released back in February, which makes 2013.10 the second update of the year.

Does the Webupdater automatically download the new maps so they're ready to load when I connect my GPS?

No. As noted above, WebUpdater does not update the maps.

Log in to your My.Garmin site and click on Manage Maps.

Wow, it is 2013 already?
No - it is still 2012, Garmin is ahead of its time.

Good to know it can fit on a 750

Howard

Thanks for all the info. I will give it a try soon.

It feels good to update the maps twice in a week, since I just got mine recently!
Thanks

This is the first map update I've done on my 265WT that has had issues.
1.) Downloaded Full North America (US, Canada, Mexico). After download was complete, was then informed that the file size was too large. Selected US and Canada (no Mexico), at which point several additional MB's were downloaded (!).
2.) During (after?) installation, got message stating that an error had occurred and that the maps should be reinstalled. Have not tried this yet.

Unit seems to be working OK.
Garmin lifetime map updater continues to notify me that a new map is available.
New map is not listed in MapSource.

1.5 hours from start to finish. Everything worked seamlessly.

Thanks to POI Factory for the info, as always...

Larry

I believe I found your problem. Use the option 2 installer instead of the lifetime updater. The lifetime updater has issues.

Seems to be downloading fine on my 2595lmt from the lifetime updater. Takes awhile though, Says 60 minutes left

Excited to see this out now... Maybe my street will be in the new maps!

Does anyone notice that the address location are 1 to 2 houses off, some are even 3 or 4 houses off.

When I'm in MapSource using the 2013.10 version map, I click on Find->Places->address and put in an address to find the location. The location found of that address is off and not accurate as the previous map versions. I tried several addresses and the same results.

that my installation went off without a hitch. Usually it hangs up, but not this time.

Yeah, addresses are notoriously suspect. This has been discussed over the years in previous threads.

When I make custom POI's I use Google Earth to get the lat/long accuracy down to six decimal places.

Downloading the update now. I thought the purpose of Garmin Lifetime Updater was that it'd automatically download updates when available, so I won't have to manually check it every few days.

Is it better to use WebUpdater or just log into myGarmin and go to myDashboard? Is it going to give the same results (firmware and map updates together)?

Webupdater will NEVER give you access to a MAP update.

MyDashboard and Webupdater will give you access to all software updates. See http://www.poi-factory.com/node/36405 for details of the newly released myDashboard facilities.

You MUST use the myMaps function in your myGarmin account to update maps and now with the upgrades to myDashboard you can use it in place of Webupdater for all other updates.

Just downloaded

I checked a few of the open issues I am aware of and none have been fixed yet. NAVTEQ has confirmed they are in the hopper but Garmin has not yet incorporated them. The biggest one is the new I-86 bypass in Parksville, NY. That is a major route change and my device currently shows me traveling in open space. Based upon the time frame it takes to get NAVTEQ updates incorporated, I do not expect to see it until the 2013.30 update, 2013.20 at the outside but that would be pushing it.

Navteq or Garmin; Which one did it?

Now that I updated the maps my Nuvi has decided to change the route that I have been taking home for the last 5 years. Luckily I know my way home.

It is nice to know when you can go and update.

Anybody have this problem updating their nuvi?

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/571/capturevj.jpg/

It basically lists a bunch of ?Mexican? cities that it cannot unlock, and it won't let me update the maps from 2012.40 to 2013.10.

I have a nuvi 1450T with a 4GB microsd card. I live in Canada, and the unit came with a nuMaps lifetime update card for North American maps. Hopefully that's enough information for you to help me out.

I don't need these cities installed, but I can't figure out how to exclude them or install them in their locked state.