Congress overturns incandescent light bulb ban

 
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Great!

Thanks, Last Mrk, for the info. I did miss it. And I was going to miss those incandescent bulbs. I've bought a house full of the floursent bulbs, and they're not ready for prime time. They fade quickly to mere fractions of their rated output. And the burn out. Almost half of the ones I bought have already burned out. Lasted less than two years.

Maybe those LED bulbs will be better, if only the price would drop...

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Interesting. Now how to

Interesting. Now how to deal with the NTSB wanting to ban all cellphone use in cars.

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Too Bad

I guess the next thing to go will be the mileage standards for future vehicles. It was a start at reducing excess energy consumption. I myself have replaced about 95% of my incandescent bulbs with CFL's. The only ones left are either in hard to reach places or places I rarely use the light. The side benefit has been that I can now light up most of the house with my backup generator. The CFL's draw much less power for the same light output giving me the ability to run more of them on my generator without having to upgrade to a larger generator.

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now what?

What am I going to do with all the incandescent I've been stockpiling? idea idea idea idea idea idea idea idea idea idea idea idea idea

I have enough of those suckers to last me the rest of my life and probably my descendant’s lifetime.

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Too Bad Also

Aardvark wrote:

I guess the next thing to go will be the mileage standards for future vehicles. It was a start at reducing excess energy consumption. I myself have replaced about 95% of my incandescent bulbs with CFL's. The only ones left are either in hard to reach places or places I rarely use the light. The side benefit has been that I can now light up most of the house with my backup generator. The CFL's draw much less power for the same light output giving me the ability to run more of them on my generator without having to upgrade to a larger generator.

Wish I had gotten a bigger back up generator, but I didn't. Agree with Aardvark that my CFLs electricity draw is low enough that I can still run circuits in most rooms to provide light.

It is sad that some politicians do not have the backbone to back ways of reducing energy consumption. My grandchildren will grow up in a world that will disrupted by climate change and will wonder why we did not have the collective will to make the changes necessary to avoid global warming.

Definitely Too Many Distracted Drivers.

nuvic320 wrote:

Interesting. Now how to deal with the NTSB wanting to ban all cellphone use in cars.

I'd like to see that ban. I can most always tell when some turkey is on their cell phone and driving. They drive slower and more eratic than other drivers and are oblivious to the traffic around them. If you see a Harley rider pull in front of you and flash the international hand gesture for "call me" followed by the finger of disapproval, you'll know it's me. Those distracted drivers are a danger to my life.

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Repeal?

This appears to be just another congressional shuffle. If I read the article right and if the reporter actually understands what he is reporting, this is not a repeal of the law. It merely blocks enforcing the law banning incandescent bulbs. That block can be removed at any time by hiding it in another bill. Removing the ban wouldn't receive the same attention as another law banning them would. But it is a first step, at least they are acknowledging that the law was a mistake. It is a shame all of the light bulb factories have been closed and their equipment sold. Looks like light bulbs will be another thing we will be dependent on China to supply.

supply

Great, just bought a large supply of my favorite 100 watt bulbs. Figures.

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Stockpile

I am still going to buy a few dozen 100W bulbs just in case.

I concur

Tuckahoemike wrote:

they're not ready for prime time. They fade quickly to mere fractions of their rated output. And the burn out. Almost half of the ones I bought have already burned out. Lasted less than two years.

...

Same experience and they affect my eyes badly as some of them take quite some time to "warm" up. Used to love these new bulbs though.

Ebay!!!

flaco wrote:

What am I going to do with all the incandescent I've been stockpiling? idea idea idea idea idea idea idea idea idea idea idea idea idea

I have enough of those suckers to last me the rest of my life and probably my descendant’s lifetime.

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Glad to see the ban lifted on light bulbs

Congress never mentions all the mercury in those new florescent light bulbs that will end up in the landfills http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_fluorescent_lamp you know the toxic stuff we are not supposed to ingest or get in our water supply. I guess nobody talks about that and what IMPACT that would have.

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we are not the USSR

In a Capitalist and free market society the government has no business banning a product to benefit another unless GE is lobbying and buying votes in congress.

When the light bulb was invented there was no need for the government to ban candles, when cars were invented there was no need to ban the use of horse drawn carriage, or when transistor radios was invented the government did not ban the production of tube radios, after plasma and flat panels TV became available congress didn’t have to outlaw the manufacture of CRT TVs and monitors.

Let the product stand on its merit, if it is as good as they claim the incandescent will disappear on its own or maybe not, sorry GE.

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Typical government.

Last Mrk wrote:

In case you missed it.

Typical government. In case anyone missed it, the major light bulb makers in the U.S. have all closed their plants.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/business/s_69...
So now we can all buy imported, lower quality bulbs from over seas. And I don't expect these bulky fragile devices to ship cheaply, particularly when there is no domestic competition.. And, no, the factories are not likely to just start up and return the lost jobs to America, the equipment has already been shipped out of the country.

Not that I'm in favor of the ban. CFL are overpriced junk. No matter how long they claim they will last, and no matter the brand, most that I have bought have failed in a matter of months. Even when they work some take several seconds to come on and some others that I have come on very dimly and slowly brighten over the first several minutes of operation. Both of these can present dangerous conditions when used in applications such as lighting a stairway.

And tell your local "authorities" that you broke one (particularly in a child's room). They will recommend a professional has-mat cleanup that can cost over a thousand bucks!

Oh good, now I will have plenty of incandescent light>>>

to read about the myriad ways they are still screwing me.

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You know, not for nothing ...

Frovingslosh wrote:

And tell your local "authorities" that you broke one (particularly in a child's room). They will recommend a professional has-mat cleanup that can cost over a thousand bucks!

but why on Earth would you even consider telling the local authorities that you broke a lightbulb? What next, hey my toilet flap stayed up and the water ran for 3 minutes before I caught it?

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Light bulb debate

The compact florescents are crap, but the LEDs are getting better and better at duplicating the warm colour spectrum of the incandescents. At $25 a pop, kinda negates the saving one would incur. Maybe the price will go down. Actually, I think the free market should decide which bulbs are bought, not the government!!

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Ban won't stop the tide.

groundhog wrote:

The compact florescents are crap, but the LEDs are getting better and better at duplicating the warm colour spectrum of the incandescents. At $25 a pop, kinda negates the saving one would incur. Maybe the price will go down. Actually, I think the free market should decide which bulbs are bought, not the government!!

Well according to ABC, the way things are going, the phase-out is still effectively in-place. Most of the industry has already moved on and won't look back.

Moving on

Unintended consequence. All domestic light bulb manufacturers have closed their factories.
Way to go you dim-bulbs in Congress.

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Incandescent light bulbs

LED bulbs might be an alternative but as in CFL's LED's fade in light output as well from a bright blue white to a faded bluish white. I have many LED's and in time they all fade to a fraction of there output,in my experience.

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You must be kidding

jgermann wrote:
Aardvark wrote:

I guess the next thing to go will be the mileage standards for future vehicles. It was a start at reducing excess energy consumption. I myself have replaced about 95% of my incandescent bulbs with CFL's. The only ones left are either in hard to reach places or places I rarely use the light. The side benefit has been that I can now light up most of the house with my backup generator. The CFL's draw much less power for the same light output giving me the ability to run more of them on my generator without having to upgrade to a larger generator.

Wish I had gotten a bigger back up generator, but I didn't. Agree with Aardvark that my CFLs electricity draw is low enough that I can still run circuits in most rooms to provide light.

It is sad that some politicians do not have the backbone to back ways of reducing energy consumption. My grandchildren will grow up in a world that will disrupted by climate change and will wonder why we did not have the collective will to make the changes necessary to avoid global warming.

Man has nothing to do with climate change. It is a natural occurrence.

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Even though I switched to

Even though I switched to all fluorescent many years ago, it bugs the heck out of me they even get involved in something like this. Talk about micromanaging our lives. Considering all the problems our country has, I'd have to say these people need a serious reality check.
As for the mileage standards, I want them to stay because that will force the manufacturers to bring over the 60 MPG small diesels Europe enjoys today.

@Aardvark: I noticed this as

@Aardvark: I noticed this as well. I was able to run a lot more off the single generator and everyone was happy.

Exactly.

flaco wrote:

In a Capitalist and free market society the government has no business banning a product to benefit another....sorry GE

Very well explained flaco. (and I work for GE smile)

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+1 ... Man is a conceited creature and must invent ways >>

Double Tap wrote:

Man has nothing to do with climate change. It is a natural occurrence.

to be more meaningful than nature...global warming is a perfect example...is it getting warmer, maybe...can man influence that to any degree, maybe...does man's influence amount to a hill of beans in the grand scheme of things...nope. Between volcanos, forest fires, earthquakes and what have you nature places more pollutants and does more fracking than we, as humans, will be capable of in eons...our best (worst) efforts produced a Hydrogen bomb and fosgene gas...terrible but nothing compared to Krakatoa or the Ice Age or the Black Plague...think it through.

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What I've found

Even though I've replaced a lot of Incandescent bulbs with cfl's, they don't last as long as the hype, (if they did they'd outlive me) and the dimable ones don't work a darn and burn out really quick.

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This has dimmed my day.

Double Tap wrote:

Man has nothing to do with climate change. It is a natural occurrence.

*sigh* Really? That tired argument?

And besides

Maybe I want my light bulb to put out some heat. My row of 60 watt incandescent globes keeps my bathroom toasty warm during my shower!

Enjoy the swim

I'm in agreement that the government shouldn't be involved with the banning of light bulbs, the market will do that. I'm also saddened how a political movement has allowed so many to completely ignore overwhelming evidence and the word of virtually the entire scientific community while embracing the advice of a few highly paid shills and a couple of podiatrists.

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Out of curiousity...

TerminalAlkyne wrote:
Double Tap wrote:

Man has nothing to do with climate change. It is a natural occurrence.

*sigh* Really? That tired argument?

How did man end all previous Ice Ages?

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When I was in school

we learned things like many years ago North America was partially covered in ice and some of the ice flow created some of our rivers and valleys as we know them today. This is probably not taught in schools today because it doesn't mix well with the agenda of the radical environmentalists. Maybe SUV's or incandesced light bulbs warmed up North America so it's inhabitable today. wink

http://goo.gl/bszBt

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Uh oh

Major pissing match coming in 3, 2, 1...

Suffice it to say, most of the 'civilized' world consumes far more than necessary.

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Less government....

scores again...next, the low flow toilet!

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At the rate this Administration is going

Climate Change should be the last of your worries, if you are gullible to believe in it. In the 70's we thought the Ice Age was coming, lol.

Our house is Solar, we produce more energy then we use, so why can't I use incandesents????

Oh, and just in case you get the wrong Idea, we are not "tree huggers". I did it to beat the system, got money out of our 457, 30% tax credit Fed and $1000 from State. Plus the Power Company gave us half the cost out of a fund all rate payers pay into for Solar incentives. We pay $7.51 a month to Power Co., $7.00 Admin charge and $.51 tax

39 panels and a 8.58 KW inverter, on a sunny day we produce 58 KWH, excess goes to Power Co. during day and we get back at night.

cell phone in cars

nuvic320 wrote:

Interesting. Now how to deal with the NTSB wanting to ban all cellphone use in cars.

I have my cell phone talking to my car (prius) so it is hands free. But while setting up bluetooth for the car, I noticed that the phone sees my Garmin Nuvi's bluetooth connection as well.

Can you use the Garmin to do hands free? What functionality does the Garmin and phone working in tandem result in?

Thank you!

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I was under the impression

I was under the impression they just delayed it for some time. 6 months, 2 years. Something like that.

slick government in collusion with GE?

Steevo wrote:

I was under the impression they just delayed it for some time. 6 months, 2 years. Something like that.

The real intent was to ship production to Mexico then de-fund the ban so the new incandescent bulbs that GE will produce in the future will not be made in the USA
Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8Ilk1Tlfj8

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Curiosity Led To...

shrifty wrote:
TerminalAlkyne wrote:
Double Tap wrote:

Man has nothing to do with climate change. It is a natural occurrence.

*sigh* Really? That tired argument?

How did man end all previous Ice Ages?

To end the last ice age, Man invented FIRE! Which lead to industry, the automobile, indoor plumbing, central heating... and all those other conveniences. razz

Just The Opposite

Been using the CFLs for several years and have had to replace only two so far. Biggest complaint is the lag when switching them on.

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Have to agree the ones I use have worked well >>

rlallos wrote:

Been using the CFLs for several years and have had to replace only two so far. Biggest complaint is the lag when switching them on.

but they do take a while to fire up fully. I understand the hybrid is supposedly the answer, halogen instantaneous and then the CFL takes over when fully lit.

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LEDs

when LEDs are ready for prime time, and if they become the bulb of choice, then we will choose to convert - there was never any legitimate reason for force CFLs on us. I really wish government would simply stay out of my life - as a general rule, they screw things up rather than make anything better.

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You're right

Juggernaut wrote:

Major pissing match coming in 3, 2, 1...

Suffice it to say, most of the 'civilized' world consumes far more than necessary.

Yes Juggernaut, we do use more than we really need.

We could dig a hole out back to crap in, then we wouldn't need water to flush our toilets. We could eat our food raw, then we wouldn't need energy to produce heat. We could live in unheated houses, further reducing our energy needs. We could go to bed when it gets dark, no energy needed to light our homes. We could collect and store rain water to drink so we wouldn't need treated, piped-in water.

I DO NOT want to live in your world Juggernaut!

Not Quite

spokybob wrote:

Unintended consequence. All domestic light bulb manufacturers have closed their factories.
Way to go you dim-bulbs in Congress.

I am not disagreeing that the folks in Congress are dim-bulbs but I cannot blame Congress for all domestic light-bulb manufacturers closing. Just about every industry has moved to China for the cheap labor. Heck, even before China came along, domestic production of TV's had ceased in the late 80's. Try finding things these days that are not made in China.

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Thanks...

This is good info.

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Won't take but a minute

jackj180 wrote:

I DO NOT want to live in your world Juggernaut!

@jackj180, it won't take but a minute or so. Write down your thoughts about climate change, incandescent bulbs and low flow toilets. Describe the world you want to live in as opposed to the world being imposed upon you by the government.

Put it in an envelope and write on it "To be opened by my grandchildren in 2050". Pick someone who can be trusted to open the envelope in 2050 during some family reunion.

missed it

thanks for the info mrk, I was going to stock up but have little space to store the bulbs. Problem solved..cz

Interesting. Guess the

Interesting. Guess the replacement technology isn't there yet -- no surprises.

Only one problem with this

jgermann wrote:
jackj180 wrote:

I DO NOT want to live in your world Juggernaut!

@jackj180, it won't take but a minute or so. Write down your thoughts about climate change, incandescent bulbs and low flow toilets. Describe the world you want to live in as opposed to the world being imposed upon you by the government.

Put it in an envelope and write on it "To be opened by my grandchildren in 2050". Pick someone who can be trusted to open the envelope in 2050 during some family reunion.

By 2050 Free thought will have been outlawed for many years, the envelope would have been destroyed years before.

We as a great Society are going the way of the Roman Empire, the fat and lazy are on a guilt trip looking for causes to sponcer. After all it must be wrong to work and be successful, thats the "Governments" job to take care of us. Funny, have you ever looked around, how come people on food stamps drive nice cars, 52" big sscreens and weigh 300 lbs???

speed camera

when will they plan to ban the installation of speed cameras?

Don't ban them

CFLs have gotten much cheaper than a few years ago (buy them in bulk at warehouse stores and they're not much more expensive than incandescents), last longer than they did a few years ago, gain brightness a little faster (still a problem) and have a more incandescent-like glow than the early ones did. They were and are by far cheaper to operate.

BUT... I OPPOSE banning incandescent bulbs to force the switch. For one thing, CFLs don't work in every situation. They don't work well in outdoor fixtures below zero where I live. And switching them on for less than 10 minutes before turning them off frequently shortens their life, so they're not good in rooms like closets where you only want light briefly and where electrical use is minimal.

Even more importantly, haven't we learned anything from prohibition and the "war on drugs"? Banning the sale of something most people want only glamorizes the fight and makes bad people rich and powerful. It's a dumb idea. If you want people to use more efficient light bulbs, subsidize the cost of production of the better bulbs.

Eventually LEDs or other more efficient solutions will be the best choice all around and this fight will seem sillier than it already does, but we're not there yet due to the high cost of newer bulbs.

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