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Line Breaks Anyone?

 

For those now working on or may be working on POI files in the future, I believe I may have discovered how to insert line breaks (dependably). It is the insertion of a simple “pipe”, “|” (uppercase backslash) character wherever a line break is desired for better display clarity. It works for my Nuvi 780, and I would be interested in finding out if it works for other models such as the 350/360 as well. An example would be in my file “Americas Best Inns”.

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Americas Best Value Inns

I downloaded your file: http://www.poi-factory.com/node/23170 and was going to try loading it on my 660. But first, I opened it with Notepad expecting to see the pipe (|) characters, but there were none. Did I get the wrong file?

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Pipes

I just opened it in Excel...no pipes seen.

EDIT: My apologies. I opened the wrong file. The correct file has the pipes. I'll try loading it.

Pretty as a picture in both my Nuvi 660 and 780
Thanks!

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Two Different Files (similar in names)

Americas Best Inns is the only one I have converted to the "Pipe" line breaks so far. The Americas Best Value Inns will be the next one, but I'm working on it. Sorry for the confusion. Glad it works for you - Thanks.

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Oops, Wrong File

I see that golfnm8 already tried it on a nuvi 660 which was all I could have done.

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Does not work on 255W

Sorry to say it does not work on my Nuvi 255W. The "|" character displays in the POI with no line break.

The 255W is one of the Nuvis that uses <BR> for line breaks.

It is easy to do a Find & Replace looking for "|" and replacing it with "<BR>" to use the file on a Nuvi 200 series. In that regard I prefer it to the line feed character.

It's Quick and Simple

Line breaks definitely make POI descriptions on your GPS display easier to read, especially those containing phone numbers. An example of a file with “pipe” line breaks (which I should have linked in my initial post) is:

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/22419

Thank you BruceMck for reminding us how quick and simple it is to replace characters in an entire custom POI file.
So far it appears that the “|”, or “pipe” character used for line breaks in the Description column (D) of a POI file triggers 3 different situations determined by unit software:

1 – Works perfectly, triggering line breaks where desired, and the pipe not appearing on the display (Nuvi 660, 760, 780 and probably many more).
2 – Works partially, triggering line breaks where desired, but with the vertical bar(s) remaining on the display (StreetPilot 2720). You can either ignore the extra vertical lines on the display (still with good line breaks), or choose to convert back to no line breaks at all (see * below).
3 – Doesn’t work at all, causing NO line breaks in the display, with the character showing on the display (Nuvi 255W). You can do a Find and Replace “ | “ (sp,pipe,sp) with a “(br)” or whatever is needed for your specific unit to accomplish a line break, as suggested by BruceMck, or convert back to no line breaks at all (see * below).

* Using Find and Replace, the “ | “ (sp,pipe,sp) can be replaced with “, “ (comma,sp) to return to no line breaks at all. A very large file can be done with Excel or Open Office Calc in a matter of seconds (or less) – I’m guessing milliseconds.

This type of line break should work for most people, but if there are additional situations, please let us know.

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Line Breaks

If you are creating a POI in Excel you can press ALT+ENTER to insert a linebreak.

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ALT+ENTER Method For Line Breaks

idea Thanks, Zuma314 !
After trying the ALT+ENTER method of inserting line breaks in a new file, I found it worked great on my 780. However, there were two false issues: “Problem Transferring” (from POI Loader), and “No POIs found” (on 780 unit) – neither being correct.
I have found that the “|” pipe character works for most units for line breaks in Column D (Description), but not at all in Column C (Name) and that the ALT+ENTER manner of inserting line breaks works in BOTH columns. I like that.
I have found also that Excel will not find or replace the ALT+ENTER character, which DOES show up on the 2720 name listing screen (from Column C), but at least for me is very acceptable.
All in all I believe the ALT+ENTER method of inserting line breaks for both columns will work best in most cases, and the way you see it (several lines) in a single cell (in Excel) is what you will get on your GPS screen. You may need to adjust row height to view all lines in Excel. Thanks again, Zuma314 – I’ll be using this type of line break in my next submission. smile

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you can use find/replace

whoaboy wrote:

idea
I have found also that Excel will not find or replace the ALT+ENTER character, which DOES show up on the 2720 name listing screen (from Column C), but at least for me is very acceptable.
smile

FYI, Find/Replace WILL work in Excel! In the search box, Hold the ALT key and type 0010 into the box (nothing will appear in the box) then replace with whatever you desire EX <BR>

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Line Breaks Anyone? you can use find/replace

Finally an answer to a problem. I try to convert 4 column CSV files to 22 column CSV files using Excel. I then import the 22 column CSV file into Extra POI Editor and save it as a GPX file. I can then import the GPX file into Garmin POI Loader to create a very detailed POI file. My question-Are there any other "goofball" characters which must be treated the same or similar way using find/replace with Excel? The Excel help file is extremely lacking with this problem (I am using 2007 version).

"Goofball"

WanderingJohn wrote:

Finally an answer to a problem. I try to convert 4 column CSV files to 22 column CSV files using Excel. I then import the 22 column CSV file into Extra POI Editor and save it as a GPX file. I can then import the GPX file into Garmin POI Loader to create a very detailed POI file. My question-Are there any other "goofball" characters which must be treated the same or similar way using find/replace with Excel? The Excel help file is extremely lacking with this problem (I am using 2007 version).

What "goofball" character(s) are you having a problem with that the Excel help file is lacking?

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"Goofball Excel Characters"

In Excel the Character codes are listed for Symbols, but not for Special Characters under the Insert-Symbol-Special Characters tab (example-No Width Optional Break). Other programs may also use their own unique special characters. How do I find the character code for similar suituations?

"Goofball Excel Characters"

The character codes are shared across the various Office programs. Try looking in Word for more. Another source is the Internet - look for the ASCII codes. The ASAP Utilities will also do a "search and destroy" of characters and lists all by ASCII code.

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ASCII

Thanks, I'll dig deeper for info.

Excel Line Break Code

Use CHAR(10) for line breaks in Excel. If you have multiple columns of data like a column for address, city, state, zip code and phone number you could use the following command to combine the data and put items on separate lines:

=concatenate(address_column,char(10),city_column,", ",state_column," ",zipcode_column,char(10),phone_column)

No luck with NUVI 350

whoaboy wrote:

For those now working on or may be working on POI files in the future, I believe I may have discovered how to insert line breaks (dependably). It is the insertion of a simple “pipe”, “|” (uppercase backslash) character wherever a line break is desired for better display clarity. It works for my Nuvi 780, and I would be interested in finding out if it works for other models such as the 350/360 as well. An example would be in my file “Americas Best Inns”.

Good idea, but the NUVI 350 requires "<BR>" .

Your "pipe" line break displays on NUVI 350 but does not result in line break.

-jgracey

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Line Breaks In A Nutshell

Everyone appreciates a good looking display screen, especially when it comes to clarity with addresses & telephone numbers. This is where line breaks come in – designating the end of a line and the beginning of another.
Using Excel, there are at least 3 (maybe more) methods of inserting line breaks into a POI .csv file:

1 – "|" – "Pipe" method (uppercase backslash) EX: http://www.poi-factory.com/node/23170
(Pros) – Works in most units – so far. A visible character which is helpful in editing.
(Cons) – Will not work in 200 & 300 series units.
2 – "ALT+ENTER" method; EX: http://www.poi-factory.com/node/23663
(Pros) – Works in most units – so far. Works for both Name col (C) and Description col (D).
(cons) – A non-printing (invisible) control character making it cumbersome to edit.
3 – "<br>" HTML open end tag method EX: None known.
(Pros) – Visible characters, easy to edit, works well in 200 & 300 series units.
(Cons) – So far may not work in most Nuvi units.

Of course all of these work differently with various GPS models. The Nuvi 255W and 350 (possibly more) cannot use the "Pipe" OR "ALT+ENTER" line breaks – instead, these units need the type 3 line breaks.

(In Excel) To quickly convert from "|" – (Pipe) to type 3:
Type the "|" (Pipe – uppercase backslash) into the (Edit) Find box, Type "<br>" in the Replace box, click Replace All.
Note: There may be spaces before and/or after the pipe.

(In Excel) To quickly convert from "ALT+ENTER" (invisible character) to type 3: Using the numbers keypad (with Num Lock on) hold the ALT key and type 010 into the (Edit) Find box. (Nothing appears in the box because this is a non-printing control character). Then type "<br>" in the Replace box (4 chars), click Replace All.
Note: On laptops & other keyboards without separate number keypads, the number keys may be accessible using the Fn (Function) key.

This post is the result of member input, internet research, and personal knowledge (yep, I’ve learned a lot). I am now compiling a list and asking members for information concerning which line breaks work best for which units. You can check to find out which type of line break your unit likes by creating a simple 3 location file using the above 3 different types of breaks (or download the 2 examples above). So far I have info on the following units: 255W, 260W, C550, 350, 660, 760, 780, and 2720. Any help would be greatly appreciated. You can either post here or use my contact form. Thanks.

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Will provide feedback for 750

Thanks for the great research and tips! I will try your 3-location suggestion tonight and will let you know which ones worked in my 750.

Later on, it would be great if you could post your findings (table format) for all the models that you receive feedback for. It would be a handy reference.

Thank you!

Feedback

rajk wrote:

Thanks for the great research and tips! I will try your 3-location suggestion tonight and will let you know which ones worked in my 750.

Later on, it would be great if you could post your findings (table format) for all the models that you receive feedback for. It would be a handy reference.

Thank you!

Thanks, rajk !
I've already started the "Table". All we need is more input...
Thanks again

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755T

I tested all combinations on my 755T with the following results.

Linefeed charcter (ALT/ENTER): Shows as space, does not display new line
Pipe character (|): Shows as pipe character, does not display on new line
HTML break: Works correctly displaying new line.

When using pipe or HTML break in views that did not do the new line correctly, it looked better to have a space before and after the pipe or HTML sequence.

It was also interesting to see how these various formatting techniques displayed on TurboCCC's Extra_POI_editor. Maybe TorboCCC could comment on this.

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try CTRL-J

in Excel this has worked for me when trying to do search and replace to add line breaks (replacing with CTRL-J adds the break)...

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Results for nuvi 750

Hi,

I tried the 3-location test file. Here are my Line Break findings for my 750:
ALT+ENTER - works (as newline char)
Pipe - works (as newline char)
- does NOT work -> it shows as-is

Thanks!

Raj

ASCII Codes

ASCII stands for American Standard Code for Information Interchange. Computers can only understand numbers, so an ASCII code is the numerical representation of a character such as 'a' or '@' or an action of some sort. In ASCII the decimal number equivalent for a new line feed is 10. If you use char(10) in excel, then you should have no issues.

Results for nuvi 750

Just re-posting my previous response (more clearly):

I tried the 3-location test file. Here are my Line Break findings for my 750:

1) ALT+ENTER - works (as newline char)
2) Pipe - works (as newline char)
3) BR tag - does NOT work -> it shows as-is

Thanks!

Raj

Re: Line Breaks Anyone?

Hi all,

Don't mean to hijack this thread or digress from the discussion about how the line breaks are (not) displayed by the different Garmin models but...

I believe that we the customers who are keeping Garmin afloat should inform them that such "trivial" things (and quite a few others, I would believe) should be standardized so that when users create POI files, a single version should/would work across all models.

That's my $0,02, FWIW in today's economy.

James

Still looking for more input

Thanks to all who have provided input on this subject. I am still compiling a list and asking members for information concerning which line breaks work best for their units. So far I have info on the following units: 255W, 260W, 350, 660, 750, 755T, 760, 780, and 2720, C340, & C550. When info is complete, I will post the results in this thread. You can check to find out which type of line break your unit likes by creating a simple 3 location file using the 3 different types of breaks (or download the 2 examples in “Line Breaks In A Nutshell” dated 07/14/09, above). Any help in this research would be greatly appreciated. Please let me know your model number and results by posting here or use my contact form. Thanks.

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Another option

I know It's not cheap, at $49.85, but for those who want an all around text editor, that does it all, look at http://www.blumentals.net/webuilder/ I bought it when I worked as a software engineer and designed Web pages. It's primarily designed for HTML/CSS/PHP, but works beautifully on a csv file, and just by pressing return, inserts a line break that works great in my C330 and NUVI 765T. I have no connection to this product, just a satisfied user.

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Extra_POI_Editor can help with the line break conversion

This line break analysis by whoaboy is very importnat. Line breaks have always been a source of problems and not having them reduces lisibility.

As per whoaboy's request, I made a few changes to Extra_POI_Editor to help in the line break conversions when saving to CSV files. I should apply this to GPX files as well and the preview window, but this may be coming later.

Here's how to make line break conversions using EPE v3.84:

1- Select the line break you want in the Options-Preferences. You can choose among the proposed choices whoaboy made in his posts. I added "Same as Input" to disable this feature. Remember, this will be the line break character(s) used in the output CSV.

2- You probably want to disable phone number extraction in Options-Preferences if the phone is part of the address field.

3- In Options-CSV Fields, edit the column assignment to Col1=Lon, Col2=Lat, Col3=POI_Name, Col4=Address. You can have more columns if you want, but do not merge columns together. This column assignment will be the same for CSV input and output.

4- Open your CSV file in File-Open.

5- Do a "Save As" (very important) and select "M-Column CSV" file type and type your filename. Use the down arrow to select the proper output file type.

If you select 4-Column CSV rather than M-Column CSV, you will see that all line breaks are gone. Do not use that one for now. It should only be used when converting from GPX to basic 4-column CSV.

To avoid polluting this thread, post all questions and feedback related to EPE in this thread:

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/21156?page=9

The latest EPE can always be downloaded here:
http://turboccc.wikispaces.com/Extra_POI_Editor#toc5

Feedback is important. It tells me if the program does what you want it to do.

Unit/Line Break Table

If you are the type person who appreciates a neat, orderly and easy to read “Go!” page, then you will surely be interested in the following table:

Unit/Line break needed
255W/<br>
260W/<br>
350/<br>
660/pipe (|) or LF
750/pipe (|) or LF
755T/<br>
765T/LF
760/pipe (|) or LF
780/pipe (|) or LF
2720/pipe* (|) or LF
C330/LF
C340/LF
C550/LF

* Effects a break, but character shows on display.
“LF” is the invisible control character otherwise known as “ALT+ENTER”.
It’s easy to convert from one type break to another using TurboCCC’s Extra_POI_Editor V 3.84 or later linked above.

Please let us know which type line break your unit likes if it is not included above.

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Nuvi 200 & 200W

These units use LF or enter.

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755T & 765T

Thanks for compiling this list Whoaboy. I am curious about the 755T (<br>) and 765T (LF). It seems odd that they require a different new line code since they run the same Garmin firmware/software. I wonder if a couple other users of these models could test them and verify that this is indeed the case.

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GPX vs CSV

It would be interesting to know if the supported line breaks for each model would be different depending if the input file is a GPX instead of a CSV. The processing could be different.

Thanks guys, for the input!

Thanks for your input, alandb. I was curious about the same thing regarding these 2 units. It seems as though it’s going to take more than one with a 765T unit to come up with the real answer.
And thanks for all your efforts, TurboCCC. You definitely deserve congratulations on your COW award. With regard to CSV vs GPX, my efforts have been concentrated on the results of various line breaks in CSV files, since it appears that the vast majority of files/downloads from POI Factory are CSV. Perhaps we can get another study going regarding GPX line breaks.
As the months and years go on, I truly believe there will be more interest in incorporating line breaks into POI files, due to the fact that most people are always looking to something better, more accurate, and better looking. And why not? The “Better Look” is (almost) FREE! smile

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Take a look at

I've been away for a while and just saw this thread. I can't spend much time at the moment, but I'll try to digest it and help some if you need it. I have a 765T and a 200W to use for testing, etc.

You might want to have a look at an FAQ I did a while back http://www.poi-factory.com/node/21274.

Quick summary is that I found that line break chrs act differently on different screens of the same models, as well as having different results between model types.

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Thank You Garmin

JD4x4 wrote:

Quick summary is that I found that line break chrs act differently on different screens of the same models, as well as having different results between model types.

Well, that doesn't sound like much fun!?! Thank you Garmin for maintaining consistency in the innovative design of these two models mrgreen

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Thanks for the results!

Hi Whoaboy,

Thanks very much for posting the results you've accumulated thus far! I appreciate your efforts!

Raj

Line Breaks

Based on the results so far, it seems that the LF character will work for most of the models (listed thus far).

That's great to know! Thanks!

Raj

Line Breaks Anyone... nuvi 1490T

Great info in this thread! Just finished a long round of experimenting w/ my nuvi 1490T, and wanted to toss in my results. To wit...

Using Windows Notepad, and saving my CSV files as unformatted ANSI text, line breaks inserted with the html tag WORKED, but those inserted with the "pipe" character did not.

POI Loader was used, and run in Manual mode.

On my 1490T, the tag did NOT break lines in the POI Name string (col 3); it only worked with the POI Details string (col 4).

By the time blood was pouring from my eyeballs, I also verified the following max line lengths...

C3: POI Name (39 chars max)
C4: POI Details (256 chars max; breaks allowed)

Line Breaks - nuvi 255W

turboccc (& whoaboy) - I have been making use of EPE 4.22, which is great by the way. Here are my results with my 255W.

1. I can confirm that 255W behaves differently depending on CSV or GPX files.
2. CSV files need the "br" command. Nothing else.
3. With CSV files, 255W does not display Address Info on the "GO" screen, only the POIName. I always have to hit "More" to see Info - strangely, this worked like a charm on my previous 250W.

Reading somewhere else (in this forum?) that on the 255W, in order to see Address on the "GO" screen, one has to use GPX instead of CSV.

So, back to making use of the excellent EPE program, I find using GPX that:

1. CRLF shows the Address on the "GO" screen, but as 1 long line, no linefeed.
2. LF shows the address on the "GO" screen, again as 1 long line.
3. "br" shows on the "GO" screen, but as one long line including the "br" characters.
4. (|) Pipe character shows on the "GO" screen, but as 1 long line including "|".

I also discovered that when using EPE to save as M-column CSV file that the header row created in the file that contains LAT/LONG/NAME/Address causes POILoader to have a snit and ignore that file. I have to remember to delete that row before loading to 255W. I thought that POILoader used to just ignore that dummy line, but can't be sure.

So, hours of searching, and I have yet to figure out what the #### Garmin uses internally in GPX files to do linefeeds. When I submitted a ticket to Garmin a while back, I just received "That is the way it is designed" answer.

My other issue with the 255W being that it now takes twice as many "clicks" to navigate down to Custom_POIs compared to 250W.

Hope this helps with the general debugging of Garmin units.

Try saving as a Garmin CSV

If you save the file as a Garmin CSV it doesn't have the header line.

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Save As...

a_user wrote:

If you save the file as a Garmin CSV it doesn't have the header line.

Yes, but I thought I had to "Save As" M-Column CSV in order to maintain proper formatting (line breaks) for nuvi255W (the reason I am here in the first place).

"Address" field in Garmin csv file

oldboy wrote:

……..

3. With CSV files, 255W does not display Address Info on the "GO" screen, only the POIName.

That is because the fourth field in a Garmin csv file is not an address – it is a comment. Comments are only shown on the More screen.

As far as I have been able to determine, Garmin does not provide for an address in their csv file since the stated syntax is:
Lon,Lat,["]Name[@Alert Speed]["],["] [comment]["]

oldboy wrote:

……..So, hours of searching, and I have yet to figure out what the #### Garmin uses internally in GPX files to do linefeeds. When I submitted a ticket to Garmin a while back, I just received "That is the way it is designed" answer.

I also am using a 225W and I found as you did that no matter what you do while typing in the EPE “Address” text box, you cannot create new lines where you want them. (The new lines will show in EPE but not on the 225W.)

However if you put only the street address in the address box and put the other address info in appropriate boxes (city state etc) then the complete address will appear in several lines on the Go screen of a 255W.

You can create new lines in the EPE Comment and Description boxes by simply hitting the Enter key where you want a new line. The text you see on the 255W More screen will reflect the text as you see it in these EPE text boxes provided that br is selected in the Line Break box in Preferences-GPX Output section.

However I have noticed that the positioning of the Comment and Description text on the 255W is opposite from what is shown in the EPE views.

Quick Reference Info about Line Breaks

For quick reference info about line breaks (for both CSV & GPX files) try:
http://whoaboy.webs.com/editingfiles.htm

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Nice but...

whoaboy wrote:

For quick reference info about line breaks (for both CSV & GPX files) try:
http://whoaboy.webs.com/editingfiles.htm

That is nice, but I see nothing that alters the observation that there seems to be no way to cause “line breaks” in the text that is in the EPE address box – as seen on a 255W as loaded by POI Loader using a gpx file.

line breaks

Evert,

In the EPE menu under options, preferences, what do you have selected for the CSV Line Break Output? I believe you'll need to select:"<br> (HTML)" for your 255W when saving as a GPX file.

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thank you very much

thank you very much

address field line breaks

Jake88 wrote:

Evert,

In the EPE menu under options, preferences, what do you have selected for the CSV Line Break Output? I believe you'll need to select:"<br> (HTML)" for your 255W when saving as a GPX file.

I select the <br> option in the EPE "GPX Output"-LineBreak option.

As mentioned above this works for line breaks in the EPE Comment and Description fields but the line breaks from the Address field do not work - there the 255W shows the <br> characters instead of using them as line breaks.

EPE

Which version of EPE are you using? In EPE v4.49+ I now use <BR> instead of <br>. It seems it makes a difference on 7x5 models.

If you have EPE v4.48- try v4.49+ otherwise try v4.48.

Turbo

Edit: Address field? Mmmmm! Ok. I think I remember the address field line breaks are not supported for every model. The only option is to create multiple StreetAddress fields in the GPX which EPE does not at the moment. My question is : why create multiple lines in the address fields when there are other fields that can be used?

Can you show us an example of the output format you are trying to achieve?

Turbocc:

I have used both 4.48 and 4.49 and the only difference is that the br is in upper case on the 255W Go page when using 4.49

The Comment and Description field line breaks work ok with both versions.

What I was trying to achive was to respond to oldboys lament:

“I also am using a 225W and I found as you did that no matter what you do while typing in the EPE “Address” text box, you cannot create new lines where you want them. (The new lines will show in EPE but not on the 225W.)”

I don’t have a use for doing that myself, note that I advised him:

“However if you put only the street address in the address box and put the other address info in appropriate boxes (city state etc) then the complete address will appear in several lines on the Go screen of a 255W.”

Also my intent was to verify the fact that line breaks in the Address field of EPE do not work for the 255w.

ok

Ok. Still, I will add multiple StreetAddress fields in the future to provide some line break in the address field.

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