VA state police cracking down on GPS

 

http://www.wric.com/

The above link goes to a local (Richmond, VA) news website and if you scroll down a bit, you will see a picture of a GPS, click on it.

They are cracking down on the placement of GPS and whether or not it obstructs the driver's view. A bunch of BS in my opinion. I guess that it is best to have it mounted on the blue tint of your windshield on the far left. Won't obstruct unless you are looking for planes.

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Virginia Needs to Look to California On this law

Double Tap wrote:
Robert660 wrote:

One reason I can think of VA. not wanting them mounted on the dash is some GPS are large enough to be gutted, and a RD installed inside of it's case. That's pretty far fetched, and expensive installation, but some could do it. I lived in Va. when the RD law came into effect, and some would put the RD in a plastic weatherproof box mounted in the grill of the auto, and run a speaker wire back to the inside of the car.

http://www.speedtraps.co.il/valentine1/press/TheGreatDetecto...

There are remote mounts available from some of the makers of RD. However in my opinion with LIDAR and instant on radar the detectors are not a very valuable tool from a cost benefit ratio any more. The only unit worth anything at all is Valentine and it is priced at $499 I think it is not worth the dollars vs benefit.

Valentine very much worth the money, every single penny and a few more cents besides. If you don't own one, you would never understand the comfort it offers.

RD tests are about as ligit as Political polls, everyone remember Bush/Kerry Polls of 2004? you can't put much trust in polls or tests, they all have agendas.

Bob

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Why pick oin the GPS?

I am amazed they can actually see you with that big radar gun mounted on the dash and the camera and the pole for the searchlight and the light from the computer screen. I wonder if they consider a Beanbag a mounting since it doesn't really mount on the vehicle itself?

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Take a look

Just look inside the next cop car you see. Notice how much electronic equipment is in one. There is usually a few items on their dashes as well. Now who is the distracted driver??????

I think in California there

I think in California there are some nit-picky laws about where your GPS unit can be. If I remember correctly, can't be attached to windshield, but I might not have that exactly right.

I manage to attach the suction cup for mine to the dash, so I have no issue with these quirky laws.

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You know what is mounted to my windshield and partially obsructs my view...my rear-view mirror!

California is going to allow winshield mounts soon.

I mount mine to the tachometer so i can see it right through the steering wheel.

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They will probably do that

They will probably do that in California too....Combine all the texting, cell phone, gps in one lump.....

VA fuzz & GPS

Sound like the VA State Police OK. Instead of doing what they ought to be doing, out there fighting crime, they are fixating on where you have your GPS unit mounted.

Jeez, get a life troopers.

Speed3

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More on Politicians and Police

If it wasn’t for laws to protect citizens, yes even the Sc^m suckers police that Double Tap know enforce laws that the elected politicians write into law.
If there wasn’t some sort of law about the windshield. We citizens would be mounting everything we could on the windshield, GPS, R/D, Note Pads, ect. I wouldn’t be surprised if you would see a vehicle with a for sale sign or a favorite football team logo taped to the passenger side of the windshield. Most laws are written for the good of most people. Then there are the others who think most laws are stupid. JMHO

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Caught my Wife

My wife got pulled over today for having a GPS in the windshield area. She had the sandbag mount and had it in the middle of the dash. Virginia State Trooper said it was against the law. $65.00 into the Virginia State Treasury

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Rearview mirror

The rearview mirrors in my cars take up more of the windshield than the Garmin does. Should we remove our rearview mirrors? Actually, I have a vent mount and don't put it on the windshield, but I used to. I was driving my Saturn to work this morning and noticed how large the mirror is. That caused me to think of the GPS units being mounted on the windshield.

A photo?

david buck wrote:

My wife got pulled over today for having a GPS in the windshield area. She had the sandbag mount and had it in the middle of the dash. Virginia State Trooper said it was against the law. $65.00 into the Virginia State Treasury

Thought of taking a photo from the driver's vantage point & contesting it?

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GPS Placement

Man... ever see the Dash of a Police Cruiser that had that Gigantic Radar gun pointing to the front.

Hmmm.. I guess they must have some sort of Special Training to be able to see thru that thing.....

Re: Wife getting ticket

david buck wrote:

My wife got pulled over today for having a GPS in the windshield area. She had the sandbag mount and had it in the middle of the dash. Virginia State Trooper said it was against the law. $65.00 into the Virginia State Treasury

Was/is the GPS below the "Hoodline"?

My 660 is on top of the dash on the stock suction
mount, but it is just below the hoodline of my 04 GMC Canyon. It's inline with the VA State Inspection sticker.

Will have to investigate what the "Code of Virginia" says about obstructing view.

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Code Section?

david buck wrote:

My wife got pulled over today for having a GPS in the windshield area. She had the sandbag mount and had it in the middle of the dash. Virginia State Trooper said it was against the law. $65.00 into the Virginia State Treasury

Can you post the code he cited her for? It should be 46.2 something. I haven't heard of any laws preventing GPS from being used here?

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GPS on Dash in Virginia

I have not ever.....EVER.... read a story about an accident being caused by a GPS on the dash or suction cupped on the windshield.

Talking on cell phone... texting on cell phone.... combing hair.... maybe something along those lines.

It is clear to me that it is absolutely a money making scheme with no real safety concern whatsoever.

AS I said... that radar gun sitting on their dash is 2 to 4 times the size of most GPS units.

California law

I believe they just changed the law to say you can mount to the windshield in the lower right or left hand corners.
Something like a 5” square on one side and 7” on the other.
I mount mine in the lower left and love it there.
It also says you have to pre-set it before driving and can not use it while driving.
Of course they said that about the cell phones and I see everyone obeys that law.
grin

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California Law regarding windshield mounts

If you read down exception 12 is for GPSr
Exception 1 is good as well razz

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d12/vc26708.htm

26708. (a) (1) ( )1 A person shall not drive any motor vehicle with any object or material placed, displayed, installed, affixed, or applied upon the windshield or side or rear windows.
(2) ( )1 A person shall not drive any motor vehicle with any object or material placed, displayed, installed, affixed, or applied in or upon the vehicle ( )2 that obstructs or reduces the driver’s clear view through the windshield or side windows.
(3) This subdivision applies to a person driving a motor vehicle with the driver's clear vision through the windshield, or side or rear windows, obstructed by snow or ice.
(b) This section does not apply to any of the following:
(1) Rearview mirrors.
arrow (12) A portable Global Positioning System (GPS), which may be mounted in a 7-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield farthest removed from the driver or in a 5-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield nearest to the driver, if the system is used only for door-to-door navigation while the motor vehicle is being operated and outside of an airbag deployment zone.

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California enforced this law

California enforced this law for some time. It wasn't just GPS though; it included pictures, stickers, etc. Beginning this year, they loosened the law a bit for GPS units. The law allows for GPS units to placed on the windshield but must not impede the drivers view. Here is where a GPS can be mounted:

1) Within a "seven-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield" on the passenger side.

2) Within a "five-inch square in the lower corner" on the driver's side."

CA has a Stupid GPS Law

bloodbath wrote:

Here is where a GPS can be mounted:
1) Within a "seven-inch square in the lower corner of the windshield" on the passenger side.
2) Within a "five-inch square in the lower corner" on the driver's side."

Whoever pass that law gotta have their head examined.

Here's what I think:

1) Who the heck would mount a GPS on the lower corner of the passenger side? We gotta have an extremely long arm to be able to touch the device. How is that safer than mounting on the windshield below the rearview mirror where it can be easily seen and touched without taking our eyes off the road?

2) Wire can be really messy running from the center console to the driver's side. At times, the power cable got tangled up on my legs. How's that safer?

Frustrated, I ended up mounting mine in the center console, under the CD/radio. Is this safer than mounting the device on the windshield below rearview mirror? Nope but it's neat because I don't even have to extend the power cable (wire remains tied). However, I now have to look down to look at the display, taking my eyes completely off the road.

I guess, just like traffic light camera, the law isn't there to protect us from danger. Thanks to the law makers.

VA law

This is just a way to allow officers to pull drivers over if they suspect you are using a radar detector. (RD's are illegal in VA) On a trip through VA, I was using my GPS (and had my radar detector hidden in the glove box for that portion of the trip). A state trooper paced me for about 1/2 mile in the lane to my left. He spent the whole time examining what was on my dash hoping to pull me over and confiscate what he thought might be contraband electronics. The whole time I'm saying "go ahead buddy - you'll be embarrassed when you discover it's a navigation system." He figured out what it was and didn't bother me, but with this new law, he could have pulled me over and instead of having to show embarrassment, he could just write me a different ticket. This is just a way for VA state troopers to save face (and write more tickets.)

When it comes to a any State

When it comes to a any State Trooper, my Motto has been pretty much "Trooper with hat, ain't getting outta that". Troppers picture themselves as the Policeman's Policeman and they are out to prove it. Rarely do you get slack from a State Trooper, of cource there are always exceptions.
I'm in MD and they certainly are not stand up comedians here. But I also give credit when credits due. State Troopers have a very dangerous job (obviously) but my point is when they need help it is not usually his buddy around the corner. He is out there day and niote miles and miles from backup and for that I am thankful.

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That sounds like a pretty

That sounds like a pretty cruddy law.. As long as it's mounted safely, they shouldn't care *where*. Excuses to write tickets are just wrong.

VA is a Police State

The troopers are extra strict and not being able to place a GSP in the front windshield is being extremely nick picky! What about all the gadgets in the trooper's windows? Can they still see the road with all that stuff obstructing their view?

Money for the State

Just another way for a state to make more money.

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Not a Police State

panama wrote:

The troopers are extra strict and not being able to place a GSP in the front windshield is being extremely nick picky! What about all the gadgets in the trooper's windows? Can they still see the road with all that stuff obstructing their view?

I've been driving in Virginia for nearly 50 years. I also used to drive Over The Road tractor trailer. Virginia State Police are no more aggressive/stricter than any other state's Police force.

The fact that someone may have gotten a ticket for an obstructed windshield tells me that the Trooper more than likely stopped them for some thing else and gave them a break. An obstructed windshield, like a seatbelt violation is not a primary offense in VA, and therefore cannot be used as the reason to stop a vehicle.

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GPS on Window

Lets get this clear.
I get pulled over for having a GPS on the Windsheild by a guy driving a car with a radar gun mounted on the dash and a mobile data terminal(laptop) mounted on a stand in the middle of the dash. These devices block most of the center and right side of the car in Police cars. Add in the flashing lights mounted behind the windshield and who is the most dangerous person in this picture.

How many times you follow a Police Car that looks like a drunk driver due to the operator attempting to read the LCD screen or better yet typing data in.

Virginia is a joke when it comes to traffic code.
I wonder how many people cannot see around those damn manatory inspections stickers placed ON THE WINDSHIELD ?

Let's clear up a little confusion here

kellysrv wrote:

Lets get this clear.
I get pulled over for having a GPS on the Windsheild by a guy driving a car with a radar gun mounted on the dash and a mobile data terminal(laptop) mounted on a stand in the middle of the dash. These devices block most of the center and right side of the car in Police cars. Add in the flashing lights mounted behind the windshield and who is the most dangerous person in this picture.

How many times you follow a Police Car that looks like a drunk driver due to the operator attempting to read the LCD screen or better yet typing data in.

Virginia is a joke when it comes to traffic code.
I wonder how many people cannot see around those damn manatory inspections stickers placed ON THE WINDSHIELD ?

trying to follow a lot of generalizations is a little difficult here, but then again we don't know the whole story behind the original post. The two most common elements in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity.

When it comes to mounting a GPS on the windshield there are a lot more drivers that use common sense and then there are those that you wonder how they escaped from the gene pool. As an example just the other morning I saw a contractor's work truck on a major street with 6 lanes and numerous cross streets in a heavily commercial area that had their GPS mounted about 4 inches below the rear view mirror. That's right, almost in the center of the windshield - and it was a wide screen model as well.

I have seen cabs and limos pulled over for obstructed vision because of the clipboards suction cupped to the windshield - again, always mounted where the driver has to strain to see around it.

As for me, I use a bean bag, and it is on the dash close to the center of the windshield, but well below the centerline and back almost 12 inches. In fact, it sits in the little tray provided by the manufacturer for holding the typical stuff we throw up on our dash boards like cell phones, sun glasses, pads of paper and other junk. Yes, it does obstruct my vision of my right front fender, but then I haven't dented a fender in many years.

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kellysrv wrote:

Lets get this clear.
I get pulled over for having a GPS on the Windsheild by a guy driving a car with a radar gun mounted on the dash and a mobile data terminal(laptop) mounted on a stand in the middle of the dash. These devices block most of the center and right side of the car in Police cars. Add in the flashing lights mounted behind the windshield and who is the most dangerous person in this picture.

Cops have a lot more driving training than the average citizen. That doesn't mean that cops can't be bad drivers, but it does mean that they are better equiped to deal with distractions while driving.

As long as everybody is

As long as everybody is happy and safe, either you use a GPS or not while traveling it will also be okay. Before traveling, you must do a car check at gasoline stations near your area for a safer and comfortable trip. sacramento auto glass

Vent Mount

Vent Mount; Vent Mount and again i say vent mount.
This solves all of the legal issues, but I am sure someone will find something to complain about the vent mount.

Vent Mount!!!

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It Sounds ...

kerstuff wrote:

It sounds to me that they are having problems thinking they are radar detectors. I didn't read the link but VA doesn't let you have radar detectors. Bunch of crap if you ask me.

Seems like the FCC had a rule that every citizen had the right to receive any radio wave broadcast in the USA. Since the airwaves belong to the citizens.

How they get around that rule?

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that is so bogus. it's all

that is so bogus. it's all about the revenue.

Vent Mount

Just adding my piece smile

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Cell phones

I personally feel that some people do block they're vision or as previously stated put them way up and keep looking way up and aren't paying attention to where they are driving. But if they do this then they should ticket people who have a cell phone stuck at they're ear and are holding back traffic. I think that California has the no mount to the wind shield but I haven't been even looked at for a gps stuck to a wind shield. Basically, the law is on the books but how it's enforced is the question. Like your state drivers manual to study for a driving test and the law book they are 2 separate things. Take it with a grain of salt.

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dancing hula girl on the dash!

Wow, I havent seen one of them since the 60's.

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high on my windshild

I generally keep mine high on my windshild in the tinted part by my rear view mirror. If I can keep an eye on my rear view mirror for safety then I certainly should be able to glance at the GPS occasionally for location or related information, and overall this should be much safer than last minute reactions or sudden turns that might be made without the help of a GPS. My road view is certainly not blocked, and the GPS is even in the area covered when I lower the perfectly legal sun visor. In fact, when I drove through Virgina a few months ago I did so with my GPS on the windshield and the sun visor lowered (even though I was not driving into the sun). I couldn't see it (unless I raised the visor) but it still got a good GPS signal and could give me audio alerts.

Dash

I live in VA and have my GPS mounted on a bean bag mount on the dashboard. I have been through two driver license checkpoints by the VA state police this year. Both times my GPS was turned on and it was at night. The police never mentioned anything about my GPS being on the dashboard.

Progressive Lenses and High Mounting a GPSr

Frovingslosh wrote:

I generally keep mine high on my windshild in the tinted part by my rear view mirror.
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I would have really liked to be able to do this, but for us getting-old timers that wear progressive lenses, looking down yields a near focus and looking up yields a distant focus. I tried high mounting my GPSr once and all I could see was a blurry screen! Vent-mount height is ideal for me.

dash mount

jfulton wrote:

I live in VA and have my GPS mounted on a bean bag mount on the dashboard. I have been through two driver license checkpoints by the VA state police this year. Both times my GPS was turned on and it was at night. The police never mentioned anything about my GPS being on the dashboard.

Glad to hear the dash mount (for now) is ok. I will be driving through VA soon at night, so it will be very easy top see the glow of the gps.

I live in Va and my GPS has

I live in Va and my GPS has been riding in the center of my Jeep windshield for more than 5 years. I've been through road checks, been stopped for traffic, and consorted with various Deputies, Officers and Troopers. Never has a word been said.

VA has a law about obstructed windshields, but it's a secondary law, just like seatbelts. You cannot be stopped for that and that alone.

Mount your GPS just about anywhere you want, as long as it isn't directly in front of you, and drive through VA. You won't be bothered.

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Right. I had been stop by the check point and they never say no

phranc wrote:

I live in Va and my GPS has been riding in the center of my Jeep windshield for more than 5 years. I've been through road checks, been stopped for traffic, and consorted with various Deputies, Officers and Troopers. Never has a word been said.

VA has a law about obstructed windshields, but it's a secondary law, just like seatbelts. You cannot be stopped for that and that alone.

Mount your GPS just about anywhere you want, as long as it isn't directly in front of you, and drive through VA. You won't be bothered.

consorted?

Sounds like you've been keeping those guys busy over there smile.

radio rights

alpine1 wrote:

Seems like the FCC had a rule that every citizen had the right to receive any radio wave broadcast in the USA. Since the airwaves belong to the citizens.

How they get around that rule?

There never was such a far-reaching law with respect to every type of radio signal. In fact most laws restricting radio reception are related to driving.

Here's a site that cites many federal and state laws, including Virginia. The site is focused on scanners, but several laws restict the ability to receive any signal transmitted by police:
http://www.grove-ent.com/LLawbook.html.

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GPS

I don't know how they can issue tickets when the law specifically states that this does not apply to GPS units. Here is the complete law....

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-107...

The link that you quoted

raycock wrote:

I don't know how they can issue tickets when the law specifically states that this does not apply to GPS units. Here is the complete law....

http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-1078.1

The link that you quoted only talks about inputting or reading text, and the exception for GPS use is limited to a GPS "used to transmit or receive data as part of a digital dispatch system." Since most of use don't use GPS as part of a digital dispatch system this doesn't apply to us. One could question why digital dispatch GPS systems who be permitted and consumer ones not have an exception, but that is clearly the wording of the law, they could have just excepted GPS systems, but they only excepted GPS systems "used to transmit or receive data as part of a digital dispatch system".

And absolutely none of what you quoted has anything to do whith the topic here, the claim that GPS use obstructs view or distracts the driver when placed on the dash or windshield. The law you quotes could be used to argue against claims that a consumer GPS distracts the driver, as a dispatch based GPS system would be even more distracting, but it does noting to fight the obstructed view ticket.

GPS

If you will read the above, it says OR and not AND. I'm a law enforcement officer and I don't need someone explaining the law to me.

A Solution

Just mount your GPS where the sun visor would normally be when it's extended. Clearly this cannot be an area that obstructs visibility; there are sunvisors on all vehicles.

Jen

Passenger visor

My GPS is attached to my passenger side sun visor. Completely out of the way. I never understood why people would attach it to the glass. But I can't figure out why people hang stuff from the rear view mirror. Guess it takes a blind spot accident before they learn.

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Passenger visor

As long as the GPS antenna has "open sky", whatever works for you is good and it doesn't "obstruct" your view of the road.

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VA is like a communist

VA is like a communist state...they ban radar detectors and now going after GPS mount placement...

Just the 2nd state behind CA over stupid laws.

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