In the news today. Speed and red light cameras in California
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In the news today. Speed and red light cameras in California.
If they can get the law passed. I hope they don't.
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/speed-cameras-may-soon-be-i...
"A new program to slow drivers down and curb street racing using speed cameras could soon go into effect in three Southern California cities. The devices would photograph the license plates of drivers going 11 miles per hour or more over the speed limit in any given area.
While speed cameras are currently illegal in the state, a proposed bill could change all that. If it becomes law, a pilot program using speed cameras would kick off in Los Angeles, Glendale and Long Beach in January.
“They’re putting people’s lives in danger, so I think enough is enough. Stop speeding, please,” said Joshua Mora, a victim of a hit-and-run accident.
Mora, 13, had his leg amputated after a motorcycle rider hit him in Boyle Heights as he was crossing the street. While Mora has said he’s grateful to have escaped death, others have not been as lucky.
“According to the National Transportation Safety Board, speeding is a factor in 31% of all traffic fatalities,” California Assemblymember Laura Friedman said. “If we want to stop traffic fatalities and injuries, we’ve got to slow people down.”
California Assembly Bill 645, which has passed the state assembly, would allow speed cameras to be installed in school zones and in areas where people are prone to speeding."
again
I don't love speed cameras, but 11 mph over is reasonable, provided the speed limit is known. In PA, many roads are 25 when they would be 55 in CA. In NJ, there are actually 15 mph roads that look like 40.
The other issue with CA is there were fines up to $540 as I recall maybe 10 years ago--that's not reasonable. $50 is appropriate.
jmoymmv
If one doesn't think speeding is an issue, go on YouTube. There's a group that calls themselves the swim team. They have fun evading NYC cops and NYS troopers. Pretty interesting it's as if running into LE is an inconvenience, but they have fun showing off their driving abilities. The cops will be right along side, or behind them, in bumper to bumper traffic, yet they get away making precise cuts, while the cops get further and further in their rearviews, 100% of the time.
I was at a city council meeting.
I was at a city council meeting.
Salesman from ATS was there. His statement: "California fines are ridiculous."
I spoke against it at the council meeting and they didn't buy it. Glad of that.
Yeah, I bet
Sorry.. I've a different observation
I don't love speed cameras, but 11 mph over is reasonable, provided the speed limit is known. In PA, many roads are 25 when they would be 55 in CA. In NJ, there are actually 15 mph roads that look like 40.
The other issue with CA is there were fines up to $540 as I recall maybe 10 years ago--that's not reasonable. $50 is appropriate.
jmoymmv
If one doesn't think speeding is an issue, go on YouTube. There's a group that calls themselves the swim team. They have fun evading NYC cops and NYS troopers. Pretty interesting it's as if running into LE is an inconvenience, but they have fun showing off their driving abilities. The cops will be right along side, or behind them, in bumper to bumper traffic, yet they get away making precise cuts, while the cops get further and further in their rearviews, 100% of the time.
I beleive driving is a privilege not a right. Hence, fines ( financial punishment ) for violating the rules should be used both reasonable and affordable for the occasional simple infraction.
Those who frequently violate the rules, IMHO should experience increased financial pain with every subsequent infraction.
Those that become habitual offenders should have their driving privileges initially suspended for a reasonable period of time as well as experiencing significant financial penalties.
If thar doesn't work, revocation of licence and laws precluidimg them from owning a vehicle of any kind should be imposed with exhoborhant financial penalties.
And beyond that, prosecution and incarceration might be warranted.
As for giving citations at greater than 11 MPH I think is ridiculous.
I'm of the opinion anything beyond 3~5 MPH of the posted should be citable. There's no reasonable expectation in a 25 MPH zone anyone should be permitted to drive above 36 MPH before being cited.
In California, there's always been a "prima-facia" law for driving that said you could drive as fast as it was safe but never above the MAXIMUM SPEED limit ( I think the maximum speed limit is 70 MPH IN California ) which always meant, if the posted speed limit was 25, if it was safe, you "could drive 70" however if if your cited for driving 70 in the 25 MPH zone, you could be cited for wreckless operation and if you could prove it was safe, the court would let you off... but that was in California...
I do beleive this kind of nonsense of giving speeding tickets at 11+ MPH above the speed limit is just judicial nonsense.
Those that can't control their vehicles within the limits ( and +11 MPH ) shouldn't be allowed to operate vehicles as they make driving inherently more dangerous for everyone else and likely causes all our insurance rates to increase.
WHEW... my thumb is sore from typing all this!
Never argue with a pig. It makes you look foolish and it anoys the hell out of the pig!
The need
We need to get posted limits, reasonable behavior, and people's actual practices in consonance with one another.
Personally, I think that means in part selective raising of speed limits where both the common practice of the great majority of motorists and an assessment of the location agree that is reasonable.
But another leg is enforcement--mostly aimed at changing the public perception that extreme speeding is perfectly OK.
For efficiency reasons, I think automated forms of enforcement would help a lot. I have no hope that swarms of troopers will flock along the roads handing out so many tickets as to change behavior in most localities (it can and does work is localized problem spots).
The main objection I see to automated enforcement is that it actually works--which is not an objection I'm inclined to agree with.
If we were actually trying to get real behavior and posted limits in reasonable agreement we would NOT use an 11 mph offset.
personal GPS user since 1992
Have my own theories
We need to get posted limits, reasonable behavior, and people's actual practices in consonance with one another.
Personally, I think that means in part selective raising of speed limits where both the common practice of the great majority of motorists and an assessment of the location agree that is reasonable.
But another leg is enforcement--mostly aimed at changing the public perception that extreme speeding is perfectly OK.
For efficiency reasons, I think automated forms of enforcement would help a lot. I have no hope that swarms of troopers will flock along the roads handing out so many tickets as to change behavior in most localities (it can and does work is localized problem spots).
The main objection I see to automated enforcement is that it actually works--which is not an objection I'm inclined to agree with.
If we were actually trying to get real behavior and posted limits in reasonable agreement we would NOT use an 11 mph offset.
Everyone complains about a place like NYC and speed cams blah blah blah.
I'm not plugging anyone's YouTube channel but do a search on Wheres981, it will open up a pandora's box on how things are done in NYC. I had thought Phila was bad.
These guys have no plates. They do up to 160+ on the Belt Parkway with heavy traffic, etc, they blow red lights and you see 3 flashes in their rear dash cam. They even taunt NYS Troopers and NYPD--who can be directly behind them or along side, sirens on and lights flashing, and they drive away. Actually, it's quite embarrassing how they can outdrive cops like that. One would think that LE would receive proper training on pursuit.
And then post for years on YouTube, with compilations "Every time I outran the cops," that really is bordering on funny.
Automated enforcement, is a non issue.
You did say reasonable behavior, and actual practices?
@johnnatash4
We need to get posted limits, reasonable behavior, and people's actual practices in consonance with one another.
Personally, I think that means in part selective raising of speed limits where both the common practice of the great majority of motorists and an assessment of the location agree that is reasonable.
But another leg is enforcement--mostly aimed at changing the public perception that extreme speeding is perfectly OK.
For efficiency reasons, I think automated forms of enforcement would help a lot. I have no hope that swarms of troopers will flock along the roads handing out so many tickets as to change behavior in most localities (it can and does work is localized problem spots).
The main objection I see to automated enforcement is that it actually works--which is not an objection I'm inclined to agree with.
If we were actually trying to get real behavior and posted limits in reasonable agreement we would NOT use an 11 mph offset.
Everyone complains about a place like NYC and speed cams blah blah blah.
I'm not plugging anyone's YouTube channel but do a search on Wheres981, it will open up a pandora's box on how things are done in NYC. I had thought Phila was bad.
These guys have no plates. They do up to 160+ on the Belt Parkway with heavy traffic, etc, they blow red lights and you see 3 flashes in their rear dash cam. They even taunt NYS Troopers and NYPD--who can be directly behind them or along side, sirens on and lights flashing, and they drive away. Actually, it's quite embarrassing how they can outdrive cops like that. One would think that LE would receive proper training on pursuit.
And then post for years on YouTube, with compilations "Every time I outran the cops," that really is bordering on funny.
Automated enforcement, is a non issue.
You did say reasonable behavior, and actual practices?
Your comments are well and good.. as I see it.. if during a LE pursuit of any kind an a civilian(s) are injured, without regard who caused the injury since the STATE, county, city, township likely has deeper financial pockets AND the judicial system seems to think the injuries are caused by LE's reckless pursuit practices..
It seems LE is punished and in many cases, the offenders that caused the idmssue get off ..
Never argue with a pig. It makes you look foolish and it anoys the hell out of the pig!
agreed
We need to get posted limits, reasonable behavior, and people's actual practices in consonance with one another.
Personally, I think that means in part selective raising of speed limits where both the common practice of the great majority of motorists and an assessment of the location agree that is reasonable.
But another leg is enforcement--mostly aimed at changing the public perception that extreme speeding is perfectly OK.
For efficiency reasons, I think automated forms of enforcement would help a lot. I have no hope that swarms of troopers will flock along the roads handing out so many tickets as to change behavior in most localities (it can and does work is localized problem spots).
The main objection I see to automated enforcement is that it actually works--which is not an objection I'm inclined to agree with.
If we were actually trying to get real behavior and posted limits in reasonable agreement we would NOT use an 11 mph offset.
Everyone complains about a place like NYC and speed cams blah blah blah.
I'm not plugging anyone's YouTube channel but do a search on Wheres981, it will open up a pandora's box on how things are done in NYC. I had thought Phila was bad.
These guys have no plates. They do up to 160+ on the Belt Parkway with heavy traffic, etc, they blow red lights and you see 3 flashes in their rear dash cam. They even taunt NYS Troopers and NYPD--who can be directly behind them or along side, sirens on and lights flashing, and they drive away. Actually, it's quite embarrassing how they can outdrive cops like that. One would think that LE would receive proper training on pursuit.
And then post for years on YouTube, with compilations "Every time I outran the cops," that really is bordering on funny.
Automated enforcement, is a non issue.
You did say reasonable behavior, and actual practices?
Your comments are well and good.. as I see it.. if during a LE pursuit of any kind an a civilian(s) are injured, without regard who caused the injury since the STATE, county, city, township likely has deeper financial pockets AND the judicial system seems to think the injuries are caused by LE's reckless pursuit practices..
It seems LE is punished and in many cases, the offenders that caused the idmssue get off ..
So it's interesting that in NYC/LI, a person can freely drive around with tinted glass incl. windshield, no plates, have a NYPD or NYS trooper right behind, or along side, and then simply drive away, make videos for YouTube, and get more likes and subscribes. Seems like the rest of us are foolish to adhere to the law.
Again, judging by YouTube only, this is not tolerated in AR. They will go up to seemingly 147 mph with their police vehicles usually a charger, and conduct a pit maneuver even killing the driver. What a tale of two cities. I woulda thought it would be NYC who wouldn't tolerate the criminal activity.