POI Loader issues (DriveSmart 65)

 

I've just received my new DriveSmart 65, a replacement for my Nuvi 2587LMT

When I connected the Nuvi to my W10 computer it appeared as a drive, usually G: and I could use POI loader to load custom POIs - specifically geocaches.

The DriveSmart connects in MTP mode and POI Loader recognises the device in MTP Mode, and seems to start processing, but stops with a message that there was an error - the device is not ready.

On the Nuvi I could switch between MTP mode and mass storage mode, through the developer menu. The Drivesmart doesn't offer that option, it has USB Ethernet or USB Ethernet one time only. I tried switching to USB ethernet, but the pop-up said connecting to the computer in a very large number of seconds and when I touched Continue the screen changed to the usual device connected to the computer, but nothing happened. The device doesn't appear as either a drive or mtp device.

One thing I noticed is that the Nuvi showed the device connected icon in white for Mass storage and orange for MTP. The Drivesmart showed it as orange in both modes.

The owner's manual doesn't give any information regarding the MTP vs USB ethernet option.

Could someone please advise why POI Loader doesn't seem to work and how I can fix the issue.

Thanks

Tony

Well

You can select in POI loader to install the files to your PC, then copy the files to your device. I do it that way all the time as it makes it easier to update multiple devices

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POI Loader

I have know problem using POI loader

Review this thread

Just a long shot, but there is a thread at http://www.poi-factory.com/node/51682 that seems too indicate you need to have sox.exe if the POI files have audio or audio message so perhaps review that thread.

I don't use "custom" POI's anymore but I did at one time and I think something I added forced me to add a memory card so perhaps check you available memory for available space.

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John from PA

Thanks

sussamb wrote:

You can select in POI loader to install the files to your PC, then copy the files to your device. I do it that way all the time as it makes it easier to update multiple devices

Good to know, I’ll have to try this. Been doing it the hard way on my 3 GPS’s with the redlight and speed camera files loading one at a time.

Thanks

I was forced to do that yesterday, and I think it will be my preferred option in future.

I will only be using one device at a time, but saving POIs on my c
omputer means I don't have to have the device plugged in at the time.

It would be nice to know why POI loader doesn't like my device and also to understand what USB-Ethernet means. But not exxential.

It's a pain

I have two of those and had that same issue a while back with poi loader. It would actually work using a usb 2.0 connection. The usb 3.0 would crap out. I only noticed it when one of them wouldn't work on a usb 3.0 connection. Garmin express didn't see the unit either on usb 3.0. The weird part was that it was only one of them. I never figured it out, but i reloaded a backup of windows 10 and they both work on usb 3.0. It happened to my old 3790 also. Same issue. No issues so far with windows 11.

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usb3 vs usb2

Please note: A USB2 connection is USB2, period. HOWEVER, a USB3 connection is both USB2 and USB3. If your device is USB2, then it uses the USB2 connection, NOT the USB3 connection. A USB Mini, as exists on most Garmin Nuvi can only handle USB2 and the cable with a USB-A connector and a USB-Mini (or micro) connector is a USB2 cable and the plastic insulator inside the A connector is NOT blue (mostly white). The USB3 insulator is BLUE. If you look closely at a USB3A connector (plug) you will see 4 copper contacts near the front that match a USB2A connector. You will also see 5 more copper contacts in the rear (a little harder to see) Those are specifically USB3 contacts. If you plug a Garmin cable into a USB3 socket on the computer it can only connect to the 4 front contacts of the plug (contacts are on the front of the socket) because it has no rear contacts and couldn't use them if it had because there is nothing to connect to on the mini or micro connector at the other end. THEREFORE, if you are having a problem with a USB3 outlet it is likely the drivers for that outlet or its hardware since it needs to provide for both USB2 & USB3.

Not sure I agree

ruggb wrote:

Please note: A USB2 connection is USB2, period. HOWEVER, a USB3 connection is both USB2 and USB3. If your device is USB2, then it uses the USB2 connection, NOT the USB3 connection. A USB Mini, as exists on most Garmin Nuvi can only handle USB2 and the cable with a USB-A connector and a USB-Mini (or micro) connector is a USB2 cable and the plastic insulator inside the A connector is NOT blue (mostly white). The USB3 insulator is BLUE. If you look closely at a USB3A connector (plug) you will see 4 copper contacts near the front that match a USB2A connector. You will also see 5 more copper contacts in the rear (a little harder to see) Those are specifically USB3 contacts. If you plug a Garmin cable into a USB3 socket on the computer it can only connect to the 4 front contacts of the plug (contacts are on the front of the socket) because it has no rear contacts and couldn't use them if it had because there is nothing to connect to on the mini or micro connector at the other end. THEREFORE, if you are having a problem with a USB3 outlet it is likely the drivers for that outlet or its hardware since it needs to provide for both USB2 & USB3.

I'm not sure I agree. For one thing I always do my updates from a Dell laptop using the USB-A 3.1 Gen 1 port. I do not pay any attention to what cable I use, I simply grab what fits from the desk drawer. I have the cable that came with (2) 265WT, likely USB 2 at best. and the cable that came with a nuvi 2689, probably a USB 3 cable.

Those extra pins you refer to simply improve the cable bandwidth, and assuming the devices at each end can support the bandwidth, then data transfer may be improved. But Tripp Lite, a major manufacturer of electronics states the following with respect to USB Type-A:

"The standard, universal connector found on virtually every desktop PC and older laptops, as well as TVs, game consoles and media players. Although USB 3.0 Type-A (blue) connectors have more internal pins, the form factor is the same, so it can operate in any Type-A port, even USB 1.1. Data transfer, however, will be at the speed of the older generation.

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John from PA

Didn't know that

John from PA wrote:

...I'm not sure I agree. For one thing I always do my updates from a Dell laptop using the USB-A 3.1 Gen 1 port. I do not pay any attention to what cable I use, I simply grab what fits from the desk drawer. I have the cable that came with (2) 265WT, likely USB 2 at best. and the cable that came with a nuvi 2689, probably a USB 3 cable...

Interesting. Are you saying that a USB-2 cable physically fits into a USB-3 port and will work as a USB-2? I didn't know that. Please confirm. Thanks.

Phil

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"No misfortune is so bad that whining about it won't make it worse."

Learned something new.. my day is complete. ;-)

The plugs on the front of my PC are blue.. which I have assumed means they are USB3's. Never worried about which cord to use.

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Lives in Edmonton AB A volunteer driver for Drive Happiness.ca and now (since June 20 2021) uses a DS65 to find his clients.

Backyard compatibility

plunder wrote:
John from PA wrote:

...I'm not sure I agree. For one thing I always do my updates from a Dell laptop using the USB-A 3.1 Gen 1 port. I do not pay any attention to what cable I use, I simply grab what fits from the desk drawer. I have the cable that came with (2) 265WT, likely USB 2 at best. and the cable that came with a nuvi 2689, probably a USB 3 cable...

Interesting. Are you saying that a USB-2 cable physically fits into a USB-3 port and will work as a USB-2? I didn't know that. Please confirm. Thanks.

Phil

As far as what plugs into the the USB a port on a PC, the rectangular socket, to borrow from OJ’s lawyers, “if it fits, it ships.” The bandwidth, the speed of which will vary, more or less based on what may be attached at the other end of the cable. Man of the PC’s and laptop you buy today will only have USB 3++ ports, but that doesn't eliminate the connection to a USB 1++ or USB 2++ device.

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John from PA

Mine don't fit

John from PA wrote:
plunder wrote:
John from PA wrote:

...I'm not sure I agree. For one thing I always do my updates from a Dell laptop using the USB-A 3.1 Gen 1 port. I do not pay any attention to what cable I use, I simply grab what fits from the desk drawer. I have the cable that came with (2) 265WT, likely USB 2 at best. and the cable that came with a nuvi 2689, probably a USB 3 cable...

Interesting. Are you saying that a USB-2 cable physically fits into a USB-3 port and will work as a USB-2? I didn't know that. Please confirm. Thanks.

Phil

As far as what plugs into the the USB a port on a PC, the rectangular socket, to borrow from OJ’s lawyers, “if it fits, it ships.” The bandwidth, the speed of which will vary, more or less based on what may be attached at the other end of the cable. Man of the PC’s and laptop you buy today will only have USB 3++ ports, but that doesn't eliminate the connection to a USB 1++ or USB 2++ device.

I have a three-year-old HP laptop that has two USB-2s and one USB-3 ports that are physically incompatible with each other. I hadn't heard of the newer ++ ports.

Phil

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"No misfortune is so bad that whining about it won't make it worse."

explanation of 2++ and 3++

[/quote]I have a three-year-old HP laptop that has two USB-2s and one USB-3 ports that are physically incompatible with each other. I hadn't heard of the newer ++ ports.Phil[/quote]

By using USB 2++ or USB 3++ I was not referring to a physically different type of port. I was referring to the digital protocol of the USB Standard. There are defined protocols USB 1.0, USB 1.1, USB 2.0, USB 3.0 USB 3.1, USB 3.2 (three versions Gen 1, Gen 2, and Gen 2x2), and USB 4 (two versions Gen 2x2 and Gen 3 x 2). All the numbers 1.0 and 2.0 are 4-pin and the 3.0 through 4 are the 9-pin. These cables also have differing voltage, wattage and length specifications.

USB 1.0 and USB 2.0 have data transfer speeds of 12 Mbps.

USB 2.0 is 480 Mbps.

USB 3.0 is 5 Gbps.

USB 3.1 is 10 Gbps.

USB 3.2 is 20 Gbps.

USB 4 is 40 Gbps.

But you should be able to plug the USB-A connector of a USB 2.0 cable into a USB-A 3.1 port on the laptop. USB 3 , by specification is backwards compatible; meaning it's designed to work with older USB versions including USB 2.0 and USB 1.1. You can plug a USB 2.0 device into a USB 3.0 port and it will always work, but it will only run at the speed of the USB 2.0 technology. The devices are able to sense the presence or lack of the additional pins of the USB 3 and USB 4 protocol and hence use the appropriate bandwidth.

I don't know the model of your HP laptop, but if I look at a mid-range HP laptop from about 2019, I see a model HP Laptop -15t-dw300. It's a Core i5 and comes with two Super Speed USB Type-A 5Gbps transfer rate ports. These are USB 3.2 Gen 1 ports. There are other ports as well (USB-C, HDMI, etc). But because HP only equips the machine with the 9-pin USB 3.2 port does not mean it isn't useable physically or electronically with earlier 4-pin cables and devices. Computers these days are getting less and less ports, especially laptops.

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John from PA

Back to the Future?

John from PA wrote:

All the numbers 1.0 and 2.0 are 4-pin and the 3.0 through 4 are the 9-pin.

Remember the old RS-232 standard DB-9 serial connector from the early PC's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_port)? Just plug in your acoustic coupler and dial up your favorite bulletin board on your AT&T rotary dial phone and you could chat at an amazing 110 baud (thats 110 BITS per second, approximately 10 characters per second). In the day, I thought it was the closest thing to magic I had ever seen. Ah ... the memories!

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

usb confusion

alandb wrote:
John from PA wrote:

All the numbers 1.0 and 2.0 are 4-pin and the 3.0 through 4 are the 9-pin.

Remember the old RS-232 standard DB-9 serial connector from the early PC's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_port)? Just plug in your acoustic coupler and dial up your favorite bulletin board on your AT&T rotary dial phone and you could chat at an amazing 110 baud (thats 110 BITS per second, approximately 10 characters per second). In the day, I thought it was the closest thing to magic I had ever seen. Ah ... the memories!

Alan, you're old!!!!

Best I can recall I got started in all this back in the 2400bps days (late 80's?).

How's this for blowing your mind,

https://i.imgur.com/IvW3czW.png

Speed test using intel ax200 nic with a compatible 160mhz AX access point. Sadly my internet tops out at gigabit (symmetric fiber), so I can't test beyond that. No 2.5/5gbit switches here either.

As for usb, as indicated above, type A connectors are backward compatible, regardless if its usb1.x/2/3.x. Plugging in the older technology into connector supporting newer _should_ still work.

The issue is usually device compatibility. Not all legacy devices are able to properly negotiate when plugged into the higher performing type A connectors.

To add more confusion, there's type C connector which is an elliptical type connection (~5/16" x 1/8" or so). This technically supports the latest and greatest (5/10/20 gbps). Cables matter at this point.

Then there are devices using usb c physical connections but only support usb 2.0 speeds (likely lacking all the pins and cpu needed to handle the faster speeds). Wonder if the new garmins are configured this way.

here's what I have

John from PA wrote:

I have a three-year-old HP laptop that has two USB-2s and one USB-3 ports that are physically incompatible with each other. I hadn't heard of the newer ++ ports.Phil

By using USB 2++ or USB 3++ I was not referring to a physically different type of port. I was referring to the digital protocol of the USB Standard. There are defined protocols USB 1.0, USB 1.1, USB 2.0, USB 3.0 USB 3.1, USB 3.2 (three versions Gen 1, Gen 2, and Gen 2x2), and USB 4 (two versions Gen 2x2 and Gen 3 x 2). All the numbers 1.0 and 2.0 are 4-pin and the 3.0 through 4 are the 9-pin. These cables also have differing voltage, wattage and length specifications.

USB 1.0 and USB 2.0 have data transfer speeds of 12 Mbps.

USB 2.0 is 480 Mbps.

USB 3.0 is 5 Gbps.

USB 3.1 is 10 Gbps.

USB 3.2 is 20 Gbps.

USB 4 is 40 Gbps.

But you should be able to plug the USB-A connector of a USB 2.0 cable into a USB-A 3.1 port on the laptop. USB 3 , by specification is backwards compatible; meaning it's designed to work with older USB versions including USB 2.0 and USB 1.1. You can plug a USB 2.0 device into a USB 3.0 port and it will always work, but it will only run at the speed of the USB 2.0 technology. The devices are able to sense the presence or lack of the additional pins of the USB 3 and USB 4 protocol and hence use the appropriate bandwidth.

I don't know the model of your HP laptop, but if I look at a mid-range HP laptop from about 2019, I see a model HP Laptop -15t-dw300. It's a Core i5 and comes with two Super Speed USB Type-A 5Gbps transfer rate ports. These are USB 3.2 Gen 1 ports. There are other ports as well (USB-C, HDMI, etc). But because HP only equips the machine with the 9-pin USB 3.2 port does not mean it isn't useable physically or electronically with earlier 4-pin cables and devices. Computers these days are getting less and less ports, especially laptops.

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My laptop is an HP Notebook, model 15-dy0013dx. From the user guide for this model this is what it says about the USB ports:
For port #1 (physically much smaller than the other two ports): "Connects a USB device, provides data transfer, and (for select products) charges small devices (such as a smartphone) when the computer is on or in Sleep mode.

"NOTE: Use a standard USB Type-C charging cable or cable adapter (purchased separately) when charging a small external device."

The definition for this port is shown as "USB Type-C® port"

For ports 2&3 (physically considerably larger than the other port): "Connect a USB device, provide high-speed data transfer, and (for select products) charge small devices (such as a smartphone) when the computer is on or in Sleep mode.

"NOTE: Use a standard USB Type-A charging cable or cable
adapter (purchased separately) when charging a small external
device."

The definition for these ports is shown as "USB SuperSpeed ports (2)"

From this information, is it possible for me to use the USB3 port with a USB2 cable (with an adapter of some kind of course)?

Phil

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"No misfortune is so bad that whining about it won't make it worse."

A USB 2 cable will work in a USB 3 Type A port

You should be able to plug a USB 2 cable, the rectangular end (Type A), into a USB 3 Type A port and no adapter is required. Again, USB 3 is backward compatible. The "speed" is the only thing that will change and that is automatic since the computer can detect that you are not using a 9-pin Type A connector.

Bear in mind as well, that if I mix and match the three items; say a USB 3 capable laptop like you have and if the cable is USB 3 and feeds into a USB 2 device, the data transfer occurs at the USB rate.

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John from PA

Don't understand

John from PA wrote:

You should be able to plug a USB 2 cable, the rectangular end (Type A), into a USB 3 Type A port and no adapter is required. Again, USB 3 is backward compatible. The "speed" is the only thing that will change and that is automatic since the computer can detect that you are not using a 9-pin Type A connector.

Bear in mind as well, that if I mix and match the three items; say a USB 3 capable laptop like you have and if the cable is USB 3 and feeds into a USB 2 device, the data transfer occurs at the USB rate.

I still don't understand. What I'm calling the USB3 port is only half the size of the USB2 port. There's no way the 2 will fit into the 3. What am I missing?

Phil

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"No misfortune is so bad that whining about it won't make it worse."

pics!!!

^^Post a pic so we can see what you're talking about.

Maybe you're talking about type B ports.

You're interpreting your ports incorrectly

Looking at your laptop, right side as viewing the screen, and from front to back, the first slot is an SD card reader, the next receptacle is a 3.5 mm jack for headphones, the next receptacle is a USB-C port and the last is an HDMI port. The USB-C port is somewhat rectangular with rounded ends.

Looking at your laptop, left side as viewing the screen, the first two receptacles from the front are USB-A. They are rectangular in shape and will measure about 1/2 inch wide by 3/16 inch high. The last receptacle is for power. For connecting your Garmin plug it into either of the rectangular shaped ports. The other end of the cable needs to be a Mini-B connector and it plugs into the back of the Garmin. In summary, all your Gamin connections will be made on the left side of the laptop.

If you need the manual for your laptop, see http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c06627899.pdf and go to pages 3 and 4, as numbered in the document, not your PDF reader.

You can see the shapes of these ports at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_hardware. Scroll down to the graphic along the right hand edge adjacent to where it says "Connectors".

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John from PA

Thanks, but...

John from PA wrote:

Looking at your laptop, right side as viewing the screen, and from front to back, the first slot is an SD card reader, the next receptacle is a 3.5 mm jack for headphones, the next receptacle is a USB-C port and the last is an HDMI port. The USB-C port is somewhat rectangular with rounded ends.

Looking at your laptop, left side as viewing the screen, the first two receptacles from the front are USB-A. They are rectangular in shape and will measure about 1/2 inch wide by 3/16 inch high. The last receptacle is for power. For connecting your Garmin plug it into either of the rectangular shaped ports. The other end of the cable needs to be a Mini-B connector and it plugs into the back of the Garmin. In summary, all your Gamin connections will be made on the left side of the laptop.

If you need the manual for your laptop, see http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c06627899.pdf and go to pages 3 and 4, as numbered in the document, not your PDF reader.

You can see the shapes of these ports at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_hardware. Scroll down to the graphic along the right hand edge adjacent to where it says "Connectors".

Thanks, but everything you just said I already knew. All the information I posted earlier I copied and pasted directly from the same User Guide. John said the can pick any cable and it'll work in any port. My question remains: those two different ports are not compatible so how does that work?

Phil

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"No misfortune is so bad that whining about it won't make it worse."

USB-C

plunder wrote:
John from PA wrote:

You should be able to plug a USB 2 cable, the rectangular end (Type A), into a USB 3 Type A port and no adapter is required. Again, USB 3 is backward compatible. The "speed" is the only thing that will change and that is automatic since the computer can detect that you are not using a 9-pin Type A connector.

Bear in mind as well, that if I mix and match the three items; say a USB 3 capable laptop like you have and if the cable is USB 3 and feeds into a USB 2 device, the data transfer occurs at the USB rate.

I still don't understand. What I'm calling the USB3 port is only half the size of the USB2 port. There's no way the 2 will fit into the 3. What am I missing?

Phil

That is a USB-C as used on Macs, and some PCs. It' the next generation up from the Lightning port.

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Frank DriveSmart55 37.322760, -79.511267

Dupe

Duplicate

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Frank DriveSmart55 37.322760, -79.511267

You are misunderstanding me (or something)

plunder wrote:

John said the can pick any cable and it'll work in any port. My question remains: those two different ports are not compatible so how does that work?

Phil

I did not say that you “can pick any cable and it’ll work in any port.” I did say that any USB Type A connector, the one that is rectangular and measures about 1/2 x 3/16 inches will work in any USB Type A port on your laptop, and you have two such ports. It does not matter if you use a cable that is USB 2 (may have blue insert) and insert it into the USB 3 port of your laptop. The laptop can determine that a USB 2 cable is attached and handle the data transfer.

But back to the task at hand, which I assume is connecting the Garmin DS65 to your laptop; the DS65 came with a cable. Plug the USB Type A connector of that cable, the rectangular end, into the identical port of your laptop left side. The other end of that cable, what is called a mini-B plugs into your DS65.

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John from PA

try and error method

I recently have an "interesting" experience with the my old Nuvi2465(TW) trying to update to the latest map. Encountering similar issues: my Win7 laptop did not recognize the 2465 as connected USB drives.

Searching Garmin Web site and found that Garmin suggests a try-and-error technique to help unravel the issue. I triumphed in the end.

https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?faq=l0p9W9vsc37NJ3vH2b5pF6

The technique boils down to
1. Try another USB cable
2. Try another USB port
3. Try another computer

In my case, the combination of a different cable, tried 4 different cable, and a different port did the job.

My old HP8460p running Windows 7 has 4 USB-A ports:

#1. USB2 with standby power
#2. USB? & eSATA
#3. USB3
#4. USB3

In the end, it is Port #1 that did the trick.

Hope this helps.

P.S. My other NUVIs work with all the cables that I have and all the USB-A ports on the HP8460p computer.

Agree!

Pillowcase wrote:

I recently have an "interesting" experience with the my old Nuvi2465(TW) trying to update to the latest map. Encountering similar issues: my Win7 laptop did not recognize the 2465 as connected USB drives.

Searching Garmin Web site and found that Garmin suggests a try-and-error technique to help unravel the issue. I triumphed in the end.

https://support.garmin.com/en-US/?faq=l0p9W9vsc37NJ3vH2b5pF6

The technique boils down to
1. Try another USB cable
2. Try another USB port
3. Try another computer

In my case, the combination of a different cable, tried 4 different cable, and a different port did the job.

My old HP8460p running Windows 7 has 4 USB-A ports:

#1. USB2 with standby power
#2. USB? & eSATA
#3. USB3
#4. USB3

In the end, it is Port #1 that did the trick.

Hope this helps.

P.S. My other NUVIs work with all the cables that I have and all the USB-A ports on the HP8460p computer.

I have seen cases of almost all of these combinations where a specific combination of computer/port/cable combination works on one of my garmin devices but not on another one. Also where a cable/garmin works fine on one computer but not another, yet a different cable works on that computer/garmin combination.

Dig out all those discarded USB cables in your junk drawer, turn on all your computers, and start trying the various combinations in each usb port of each computer. More than likely you will find a combination that works! Why? It's a mystery to me and I only seem to see this with my Garmin devices. Other USB devices seem to be pretty consistent.

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

Here's a useful tool to

Here's a useful tool to identify more information about a usb hub/device than you ever cared for.

https://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtreeview_e.html

POI file name

I found that my POI files were installed in a directory named POI. POILOADER would successfully load the files on to my GPS as POI.GPI, but they could not be found. Changed the name of my directory and now POILOADER loads the file as James_POI.gpi and all is good. Took forever to figure out why I could not find my POI after uploading them.

USB ports

I realize this is a year old thread but maybe this will help someone.

All USB ports on a computer are backwards compatible. Some devices may need a higher version to work Garmins do not need that. The Garmin cable will work.

Some older computers, before Windows 10 especially sometimes if they are not restarted for awhile, after plugging and unplugging a device, the next time it may not show in file explorer. Restarting the computer can get all working again.

On the Garmin 65 if you go to the volume screen, press and hold the top righit corner you will get a new screen. Pick Configurations and Settings, then MTP Settings.
Now put the check mark next to Show .System. Aside from now showing system files from the Garmin, this often forces File Explorer to show the Garmin.