Mounting the DriveSmart 86

 

Since the mount for DS 86 is new to Garmin GPS units, I thought a few words about it may be helpful.

The name for this new mount from Garmin is “Large Suction Mount”, and it is large, sturdy, and secure. No other current mount can be directly connected to the DS 86.

In addition to mounting the 86 to the windshield, it can be mounted to some sort of dash mount that will accept the suction cup. The base of the Garmin mount has a dimeter of 2.75”, and the dash mount must accept that. It is unlikely that any of the mounts that let you slide the base into a slot will be large enough to accept the 86 mount. It is about 3” from the base to the top of the ball. The standard mount has a diameter of 2-1/8 and 2.5” to the top of the ball. The connection from the mount to the GPS itself is similar to those on the DriveSmart 61 and 65, but larger, and those connections are not interchangeable with the 86 connections.

You can find dash mounts on Amazon from Garmin and others, but I don’t know if any of them fit, except for the one I own. I own the Deco dash mount and it works great. Its inside diameter for the GPS base is 4”.

Some have been concerned about the suction connection losing suction and causing the GPS to fall. The suction action on the 86 has been very strong with no disconnects. I have always used suction cup mounts with great results, but I use special care about installing the cup to the base. I clean both surfaces with water treated with Dawn. I wet both surfaced with the dawn mixture, then make sure the GPS base is firmly pressed down to the dash mount surface before actuating the lever to form the suction.

A couple patches of industrial stick-on Velcro will secure either or both the GPS base to the dish mount or the dash mount to the dash. Don’t use too large a Velcro patch because it is very hard to remove.

My Deco dash mount came with an Amazon GPS order. It requires no modifications. You can find it on Amazon by searching for “Desco GPS Mount.”

--
wil01

sticky cup

Wil01 wrote:

~snip~

Some have been concerned about the suction connection losing suction and causing the GPS to fall. The suction action on the 86 has been very strong with no disconnects. I have always used suction cup mounts with great results, but I use special care about installing the cup to the base.

~snip~

I wonder if there is a sticky cup mount available for this new size ball. Sticky cup mounts are amazing, darn near need a chisel to get them off the windshield. And when you take it off and it doesn't seem to be sticky anymore a little water and allowing it to air dry and it's sticky again, just like when it was new.

I prefer windshield mounts, I mount them near the roof where they really don't block any of the view that I need to use.

This is the one I use with my DS61:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00IQ57Z4K/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b...

--
. 2 Garmin DriveSmart 61 LMT-S, Nuvi 2689, 2 Nuvi 2460, Zumo 550, Zumo 450, Uniden R3 radar detector with GPS built in, includes RLC info. Uconnect 430N Garmin based, built into my Jeep. .

The differences in the mount

The differences in the mount are not just the ball. The ball, the nut, and the attachment to the DS 86 are all just one unit that can't be separated.

The mount system and many other things with DS 86 are new and in a new direction. Maybe third parties will make accessories for the DS 86, but right now, what's in the Garmin box is all that works as a complete system.

--
wil01

What diameter ball does the

What diameter ball does the 86 use? Not 17mm?

All my mounts are from arkon. This came as part of another mount, but is sold separately. Note how it uses the threaded socket which fits the 17mm ball just fine.

https://www.arkon.com/product/RV001WR-iphone-phone-holder.ht...

Maybe you should read my

Maybe you should read my posts on mounting the DS 86.

--
wil01

ARKON

zx1100e1 wrote:

~snip~

All my mounts are from arkon. This came as part of another mount, but is sold separately. Note how it uses the threaded socket which fits the 17mm ball just fine.

https://www.arkon.com/product/RV001WR-iphone-phone-holder.html

ARKON makes the sticky cup I referred to above, great product.

--
. 2 Garmin DriveSmart 61 LMT-S, Nuvi 2689, 2 Nuvi 2460, Zumo 550, Zumo 450, Uniden R3 radar detector with GPS built in, includes RLC info. Uconnect 430N Garmin based, built into my Jeep. .

ball size

Wil01 wrote:

Maybe you should read my posts on mounting the DS 86.

I did read your posts, but don't see where you mention the ball diameter.

2797

I'll stick with my 2797

The ball diameter is much

The ball diameter is much larger than 19mm.

--
wil01

Thanks.....

This is helpful information.

--
RKF (Brookeville, MD) Garmin Nuvi 660, 360 & Street Pilot

I reached out to garmin to

I reached out to garmin to get some specifics.

Turns out it is indeed no longer a 17mm ball. Rather a 21.83mm rubberized ball. Why the .83mm? Who knows. they could just round it up to 22mm. Still, this is 5mm more than their standard one.

The standard round clip (part that clips into the gps) has a diameter of 1.75", according to Wil01 in the OP, this one is 2.125".

My take away is, none of the standard third party garmin accessories will likely work with this unit as.

All of that is true.

All of that is true. Here’ a little bit more.

As it now stands, you are going to be forced to deal with the suction mount on the DS 86. You can use the suction cup for the windshield mount, stick it to the dash, or use a bean bag mount on the dash.

I have searched the entire Amazon listing for GPS mounts that will work with the DS 86. All of them except one that I found imply that the mount will be stuck to the dash permanently, and the GPS will be mounted and unmounted by use of the section cup.

Any of the bean bag mounts, like the Garmin, that have a slot for the base to slide into won’t work because the base of the DS 86 mount is too large.

The Amazon Basic bean bag mount will work on most dashes. It has adhesive on the underside of the mount to keep the mount in place. It costs about $10.00.

The Deco Gear GPS Dashboard Mount will work on almost all dashes. It is not stuck to the dash. It is kept in place by weight and the texture of the bottom. I have used it since 2018 in both a Honda and Motor Home. There has never been a problem with it moving. It costs about $50.00.

I dislike permanently mounted bases because attaching and detaching the GPS from the base is clumsy, at best, and leaves evidence that a GPS is in or has been in the vehicle. It also makes it inefficient to transfer the GPS to other vehicles.

The DS 86 certainly has started a new direction for Garmin GPS units. I wish all good luck as we chart these waters.

--
wil01

Vent Mount

Vent mount is my preferred way of attaching to the car. I hope that will be possible when it’s time to replace my current Garmin. Maybe the new large Garmin would be too heavy?

I think I found a way

I have a RAM Mount track on my dash. Others may have other RAM Mount systems in their cars.

The B ball size is 1". The A ball size is ≈1/2" (too small). Looking at the ball from Garmin for the 86 it looks to be just over 3/4" (13.75/16" - or maybe round up to 14/16").

Anyway - there's no 3/4" ball to play with. What I've tried and it does seem to work is to unscrew the back locking nut from the ball mount (from what Garmin gives you for the 86), take that locking nut and put it over a B-to-B Adapter (RAM Mount). NOTE: This is NOT going to snap in BUT when you push it back up to the mount where, if it were small enough, it would snap, you can get the threads on it and, while not snapped it, it does lock up pretty nicely.

I've just ordered my B-B adapter from RAM Mount. The Snaplink adapters that they have seems like they'd be perfect but I don't see a way of going from Snaplink to B size (no adapter) without doing something very clunky.

Hope this helps!
Brad

DS 86 mount

I would bet Ram Mount will eventually offer a mounting option for the DS 86. It will probably be very expensive though.

--
Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

DS 86 mount

I would bet Ram Mount will eventually offer a mounting option for the DS 86. It will probably be very expensive though.

--
Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

RAM Mount

Yep. Either they'll offer a connection or someone on eBay will.

The 86 is still very new.

That's worth repeating!

alandb wrote:

I would bet Ram Mount will eventually offer a mounting option for the DS 86. It will probably be very expensive though.

twisted

Garmin Mounts

I know this is a little off topic but what size ball does the 7 inch Garmin gps use

Be nice.. if

Be nice if we could use actual measurements when describing the size of the ball, (13.75/16" - or maybe round up to 14/16")are not generally accepted proper units of measurement (or fractions).

The ball is likely a metric size, in a previous post someone measured it at 21.83mm (0.85944882 inches). If true this means Garmin has gone proprietary (read nuts) and is forcing a new line of holders on it's users.

--
Lives in Edmonton AB A volunteer driver for Drive Happiness.ca and now (since June 20 2021) uses a DS65 to find his clients.

21.83mm vs 22mm is a .17mm

21.83mm vs 22mm is a .17mm difference, or approx 7 thousandths of an inch ( 0.007"). Negligible IMO. Lets call it 22mm.

Unless they change over a number of other units to use this new larger ball, it's unlikely third party mfg's will see much market in developing new mounts/tools for this. Does ram use 22mm for anything?

DS 86 mount.

I could see someone coming up with an inexpensive "clamshell" that could fit over the standard size ball mounts to increase the diameter to the size needed by the DS 86. With the locking nut mechanism it should hold the two halves in place when the nut is tightened down.

--
Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 51LMT-S, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

Portrait Orientation

This entire discussion has ignored the fact that the DS 86 can be used in Portrait as well as Landscape mode. The DS 86 mount can’t ignore that fact and must make the unit usable in Portrait mode.

Consider that the DS 65 was the largest Garmin GPS until the X6 series. The height of the DS 65 is 3.9 inches in its landscape only mode. The height of the DS 86 in its portrait mode is 7.6 inches, and any proper mount must accommodate that height regardless of ball diameter.

I don’t know of any current third-party GPS mounts that can support that height and or allow easy rotation between landscape and portrait orientation. If that be so, all this concern about the DS 86 ball not being 17mm is mote because any third-party replacement must be a completely new manufacturing effort and can provide any ball diameter desired.

My use of the DS 86 since late October has proven the Garmin mount is a masterpiece when mounted to the dash. I would not even think of replacing it with something else.

It’s really very simple. If you must have a 17mm ball mount, don’t buy the DS 86.

--
wil01

Mounts

So is the Drivesmart 7 using the 17 mm or the new size ball...thanks

I don't think there is a

I don't think there is a DriveSmart 7. If you mean a DriveSmart 76 the answer is it uses a mount with a 17.09mm ball just like the DriveSmart 65.

--
wil01

But..

Wil01 wrote:

It’s really very simple. If you must have a 17mm ball mount, don’t buy the DS 86.

Gonna make it complicated for those that keep an old unit as a spare. Progress

--
Lives in Edmonton AB A volunteer driver for Drive Happiness.ca and now (since June 20 2021) uses a DS65 to find his clients.

Spares

Ralph6410 wrote:
Wil01 wrote:

It’s really very simple. If you must have a 17mm ball mount, don’t buy the DS 86.

Gonna make it complicated for those that keep an old unit as a spare. Progress

I keep a DS 61 and DS 65 as spares. They can all use the same munting attachment. Not a problem for me.

--
wil01

Thanks for the answer

Thanks for answering my question.. even the remark ( you knew what i was talking about....right)

Garmin 86 ball

Looks like most every GPS uses a 17-17.5mm ball. This is 21mm. want to use a cup holder but have to find one that will hold the gps with fingers not the ball as i cannot find a holder for 21mm ball

the ball and nut do come

the ball and nut do come off. You have to pull the bracket away from the mount to separate it

Drivesmart 86

I called Garmin. they dont have any mount other than the one that comes with it. too hard to see around it on my windshield. I am going to try to find one with fingers vs the ball. It is 7-1/2 x 4-3/4 measurement

Perhaps

Tim Scheller wrote:

I called Garmin. they dont have any mount other than the one that comes with it. too hard to see around it on my windshield. I am going to try to find one with fingers vs the ball. It is 7-1/2 x 4-3/4 measurement

Perhaps something like:
https://www.rammount.com/part/RAM-HOL-UN9U

DS 86 Mount

Hi; Will the DS 86 large Suction Mount attach ok with other
models of Drive Smarts? It looks the same in the pictures.

The DS 86 is a completely

The DS 86 is a completely new design. It is the wave of the future for Garmin Auto GPS units.

All of the attachment hardware is unique to the DS 86 and won't fit anything else. Likewise, nothing else will fit the DS 86.

I have written a lot about this issue in this and other threads. Search for them and you can get the whole story.

--
wil01