How Many Are Getting Their Real ID's?

 

Starting October 1, 2020, every state and territory resident will need to present a REAL ID compliant license/ID, or another acceptable form of identification, for accessing Federal facilities, entering nuclear power plants, and boarding commercial aircraft. The card, itself, must be REAL ID compliant unless the resident is using an alternative acceptable document such as a passport. The Act does not require individuals to present identification where it is not currently required to access a Federal facility (such as to enter the public areas of the Smithsonian) nor does it prohibit an agency from accepting other forms of identity documents (such as a U.S. passport or passport card).

Details are available here: https://www.dhs.gov/real-id-public-faqs

A Real ID isn't absolutely necessary and many won't need to get one. However, if you travel frequently, as many of us here at the Factory do, a Read ID can be convenient.

Although the deadline is a year away, my wife and I chose to get ours this past March when our home state began issuing them. In our case, it saves us the hassle of getting out and carrying our passports for domestic travel.

I'm curious. How many here have or are planning to get their Real ID's?

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johnnatash4 wrote:

plan to, why not, I hate carrying a passport all the time if flying domestically...

My wife got a new license and didn't opt for it, stating she'll just carry a passport.

The reason I hate carrying a passport is it's a privilege to have one. Lose it, and it doesn't have to be replaced, it's up to DOS. Don't ask me how I know. Like a SS card, there is a limit to how many can be lost in a lifetime. So why in the world would anyone not secure it?

p.s. anyone remember the fake IDs you could buy in Times Square? I can't even believe they were good for anything at all, yet they were.

Passport ID card might be a good option for flying domestically.

Guess at some point - more

Guess at some point - more likely that I'll remember as I'm refused boarding on a plane!

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Got Mine

Only difference on Texas license is a little star ⭐️

Same as PA

SilverRhino wrote:

Only difference on Texas license is a little star ⭐️

Pretty much the standard for all states.

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Real ID

My wife and I both got ours at last renewal. Considering it involved minor expense and inconvenience we decided to just do it and avoid any possible complications down the road.

needs to be

soberbyker wrote:
SilverRhino wrote:

Only difference on Texas license is a little star ⭐️

Pretty much the standard for all states.

I suppose it needs to be a standard so security folks, ticket counter folks, and such can decide whether to honor it. My New Mexico one also has the star.

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Since I fly a lot

I have no choice but to get one. Why is true the only difference is a little star on the actual license, the process to get one is daunting with the amount of paperwork needed to prove you’re who you really are. And of course since Illinois drug their feet, I’ll have to spend extra money now to upgrade my license since mine doesn’t expire for three more years.

Just another reason I’ll be leaving Illinois and never return someday soon.

Yep

New State, New license with real ID

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Got mine

Got mine. My license wasn't due for renewal until next year but I renewed it anyway. It was done as a "replacement" license. Oddly, it was quick and easy. I looked at appointment times and would have had to wait two months. GAH! I just showed up before opening time one morning and joined a line outside the building. When they let us in the woman at the door turned out to be someone I used to work with. As I went through the door she just said, "Window 4". I went right to her window and did the renewal. Sweet!

We both have the new license and renewed out passports so we're good to go for a while. Just got back from international travel. We cruise once or twice a year so need to have the ID for flights and international travel.

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I did

Got mine last month.

Not Me, Nor the wife...

I have a retired military ID Card; wife has a military dependent ID Card.
Good enough for the government, good enough for us.

I planning on getting a Real

I planning on getting a Real ID compliant driver's license as I fly frequently. Texas started issuing them several years ago, but my license won't expire until several months after the 10/22 mandate. Texas DPS has sent a letter to me indicating I can request a Real ID license online.

I got my Real ID, on top of

I got my Real ID, on top of my Passport, Passport Card, Federal ID, and probably another that I have today.

If you don't have a Real ID, don't fret. A passport (card) will work fine at the airport. Actually, you can board an airplane without any ID at all, you just have to prepare for the full wand and probe experience.

Got it.

Love the extra security.

For me it is a matter of convenience

telecomdigest2 wrote:

I got my Real ID, on top of my Passport, Passport Card, Federal ID, and probably another that I have today.

If you don't have a Real ID, don't fret. A passport (card) will work fine at the airport. Actually, you can board an airplane without any ID at all, you just have to prepare for the full wand and probe experience.

Personally, I was not concerned about flying as a reason forgetting the Real ID. I have to travel internationally for business once or twice a year, so I have to have a passport anyway. If I fly anywhere, it is planned well in advance, so I can expect to have my passport with me.

What I may not plan well in advance is entering a federal building. I always have my driver's license with me, so having the Real ID version of my DL is insurance that I will not run into a problem with entering a federal building.

- Tom -

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The only reason I can think

The only reason I can think of that I would have to enter a Federal Building is for Federal Jury Duty. The lack of the Real ID would get me out of Jury Duty!

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How Many Are Getting Their Real ID's?

phranc wrote:

The only reason I can think of that I would have to enter a Federal Building is for Federal Jury Duty. The lack of the Real ID would get me out of Jury Duty!

On a different forum that very topic came up. They stated that potential jurors, witnesses, etc., are exempt.

Useless

Jim1348 wrote:
phranc wrote:

The only reason I can think of that I would have to enter a Federal Building is for Federal Jury Duty. The lack of the Real ID would get me out of Jury Duty!

On a different forum that very topic came up. They stated that potential jurors, witnesses, etc., are exempt.

Then, to me, that means the Real ID ain't doodoo.

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A Found Fossil

How/why did this old fossil that was last posted to in January 2020 show up today under Popular Content/Today's: How Many Are Getting Their Real IDs? confused

Beats me

mcginkleschmidt wrote:

How/why did this old fossil that was last posted to in January 2020 show up today under Popular Content/Today's: How Many Are Getting Their Real IDs? confused

I don't understand it either, but this is a good time to get my weekly submission to the Factory done.

Phil

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Got mine in 2019... Was a

Got mine in 2019... Was a real nightmare. Took over 3 months. Few weeks ago applied for renewal. This was piece of cake. I guess law of averages.

Finally got my Real ID

I wrote about my problems getting Real ID back on page 1 of this thread - http://www.poi-factory.com/node/50240?page=0#comment-499741. Basically, my birth certificate has my name misspelled (both first and middle names) so it doesn't match every other identifying document I have from my entire life, going back to my baptism record, marriage license, education records, employment and social security, tax documents, deeds, contracts, bank accounts, investments, etc.

My driver's license was up for renewal in 2022, so about 6 months before my birthday, I called the Iowa DOT and explained my situation to find out what I needed to do. They said my only option for renewing my license with Real ID was to do a legal name change and get an updated birth certificate. I started checking into that and soon realized that it required a ton of red tape, court filings and fees, etc. I eventually hired a law firm to help me through all the rigamarole. My wife even had to provide a notarized sign-off saying she has been notified and has no objection to my name change even though my "new name" matches the name on our certified marriage certificate from 50 years ago! It took about 3 months and over $1000 in legal expenses and fees, but by the time my 2022 birthday happened, I had an updated certified birth certificate with the correct spelling of my name. With that, I was able to renew my license with the "gold star". So finally, I am who I always thought I was and will now be able to get a passport if I ever want one!

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@alan Yup... Similar. One

@alan Yup... Similar. One piece of paperwork had my middle initial, another (the one the dmv used) did not. My options - go through what you did, or lose the middle initial on my license. I went with the latter.

Also got mine automatically

Also got mine automatically last renewal and most states are the same way.

Got Mine

at last renewal also.

I got mine

during the pandemic in 2021. I remember thinking this makes a lot of sense, what if I get covid all over a DL. I'm not even driving very much. If memory serves me people didn't have to renew in 2020, but they did in 2021.

It was pretty organized with a huge huge huge line out into the parking lot due to distancing.

DMV has come a long way by triaging. I remember the days when if you didn't have a pen, they'd point to the machine that sells them. If you didn't have any change, "NEXT!!"

p.s for the first time in my life I didn't have a valid passport, let it expire. Was able to renew online, even took my pic with the iphone front facing cam, did it all online. Passport photo services are like muffler shops, no need for them today so they need to reinvent themselves. It's no wonder Costco stopped offering, I heard they were like $7.95 long ago. My point is no more setting up the DSLR on a tripod and worrying if the background is white enough...just extend my arm and click

their software ruined my picture

johnnatash4 wrote:

p.s for the first time in my life I didn't have a valid passport, let it expire. Was able to renew online, even took my pic with the iphone front facing cam, did it all online.

We are taking a short trip that goes to North Africa next month. As my passport expired last year I went through the online renewal process also. I was disappointed that their automatic software took most of the contrast out of the picture that I provided. As printed on the passport it doesn't look much better than the usual drugstore ones of the past.

But it was nice not needing to go either to the Post Office or the drug store. The only scary part was when the expedited service I paid for gave the Post Office a chance to let an overnight delivery service piece of mail with my passport in it sit for four days with zero scans after being scanned leaving Tucson.

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the scanning

archae86 wrote:
johnnatash4 wrote:

p.s for the first time in my life I didn't have a valid passport, let it expire. Was able to renew online, even took my pic with the iphone front facing cam, did it all online.

We are taking a short trip that goes to North Africa next month. As my passport expired last year I went through the online renewal process also. I was disappointed that their automatic software took most of the contrast out of the picture that I provided. As printed on the passport it doesn't look much better than the usual drugstore ones of the past.

But it was nice not needing to go either to the Post Office or the drug store. The only scary part was when the expedited service I paid for gave the Post Office a chance to let an overnight delivery service piece of mail with my passport in it sit for four days with zero scans after being scanned leaving Tucson.

Process is curious indeed. I always wondered, do UPS, FedEx, USPS, carriers need the actual item, to be able to scan it?

What I mean is not only is scanning a convenience, it's a method of control. Say 25 Weber BBQs are leaving and heading for Lowe's, and the operator is able to manually type in the long oLPN number without scanning. Now only 23 show up and the carrier is fined. Or, 27 show up. Because an operator is able to bypass the system.

I've definitely gotten USPS confirmations of delivery, and the item shows up the next day. With the other 2, I've only gotten confirmations of delivery, and the item never shows up. Which makes me wonder if they have the ability to type in the tracking without scanning the item.

I did get mine last year....

maddog67 wrote:

will probably look at getting one of these the next time my license comes up for renewal.

...when I renewed my license. Brought in the right documents and easy peasy.

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Me too....

Got mine at the last renewal.

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My experience

alandb wrote:

...Basically, my birth certificate has my name misspelled (both first and middle names) so it doesn't match every other identifying document I have from my entire life, going back to my baptism record, marriage license, education records, employment and social security, tax documents, deeds, contracts, bank accounts, investments, etc.

My driver's license was up for renewal in 2022, so about 6 months before my birthday, I called the Iowa DOT and explained my situation to find out what I needed to do. They said my only option for renewing my license with Real ID was to do a legal name change and get an updated birth certificate... but by the time my 2022 birthday happened, I had an updated certified birth certificate with the correct spelling of my name. With that, I was able to renew my license with the "gold star". So finally, I am who I always thought I was and will now be able to get a passport if I ever want one!

My birth certificate also has a spelling discrepancy with the name I've been using since birth. My first name on the birth certificate is spelled Philip (one "l") but that's the only place on earth it's spelled that way. My parents intended two lls and never noticed the error. When I got my Real ID driver license I took my birth certificate which proved the first three requirements: my full legal name, date of birth, and legal residence. (Never was the discrepancy with my first name mentioned probably because the clerk never noticed it).
One of the prior year's 1099 IRS forms provided the fourth REAL-ID requirement of my SSN; and a utility bill and my Ohio concealed carry permit provided the fifth requirement of street address for the REAL-ID. I had absolutely no problem getting my license. I was in and out in about 15 minutes.

Phil

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With the package they can scan and say delivered.

Had that happen a number of times waiting on a 8:30am parts package. He "delivered" it so he said. Come to find out he couldn't find the house. That was like 6-7 years ago before they started taking pictures.

johnnatash4 wrote:
archae86 wrote:
johnnatash4 wrote:

p.s for the first time in my life I didn't have a valid passport, let it expire. Was able to renew online, even took my pic with the iphone front facing cam, did it all online.

We are taking a short trip that goes to North Africa next month. As my passport expired last year I went through the online renewal process also. I was disappointed that their automatic software took most of the contrast out of the picture that I provided. As printed on the passport it doesn't look much better than the usual drugstore ones of the past.

But it was nice not needing to go either to the Post Office or the drug store. The only scary part was when the expedited service I paid for gave the Post Office a chance to let an overnight delivery service piece of mail with my passport in it sit for four days with zero scans after being scanned leaving Tucson.

Process is curious indeed. I always wondered, do UPS, FedEx, USPS, carriers need the actual item, to be able to scan it?

What I mean is not only is scanning a convenience, it's a method of control. Say 25 Weber BBQs are leaving and heading for Lowe's, and the operator is able to manually type in the long oLPN number without scanning. Now only 23 show up and the carrier is fined. Or, 27 show up. Because an operator is able to bypass the system.

I've definitely gotten USPS confirmations of delivery, and the item shows up the next day. With the other 2, I've only gotten confirmations of delivery, and the item never shows up. Which makes me wonder if they have the ability to type in the tracking without scanning the item.

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An FYI re social security card as Real ID documentation

Here in Pennsylvania one form of ID can be a social security card, my card I had from the late 1960's and at some time had been laminated. That is unacceptable today so I had to get a replacement which took a few weeks.

If you have a laminated card, you can request a replacement at https://www.ssa.gov/ssnumber/?gclid=CjwKCAjwiOCgBhAgEiwAjv5w...

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Mine was laminated too. They

Mine was laminated too. They accepted it without issue. Just goes to show how consistently inconsistent the dmv is.

Interesting

John from PA wrote:

Here in Pennsylvania one form of ID can be a social security card, my card I had from the late 1960's and at some time had been laminated. That is unacceptable today so I had to get a replacement which took a few weeks.

If you have a laminated card, you can request a replacement at https://www.ssa.gov/ssnumber/?gclid=CjwKCAjwiOCgBhAgEiwAjv5w...

I also live in PA and got my Real ID back in 2019. I was the OP by the way and I have no idea how this old thread got resurrected.

At that time, PA accepted my laminated SS card. I guess the law has changed.

Got it....

....At last renewal. Just makes life simpler to have it. We do genealogy and getting into some court houses without it will become a problem as time goes on.

Also, got our passports renewed in case we decide to travel into Canada. If you have both up to date, you're covered.

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Not in Ohio

John from PA wrote:

Here in Pennsylvania one form of ID can be a social security card, my card I had from the late 1960's and at some time had been laminated. That is unacceptable today so I had to get a replacement which took a few weeks...

You said that in PA a SSN card can be used as one form of ID. In Ohio that's not necessarily true. A couple of years ago I got called for jury duty and I needed to provide my SSN card. When I got there for signing in, I was told that my SSN card couldn't be used because on the very bottom of the card it said (start bold print) FOR SOCIAL SECURITY PURPOSES • NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION (end bold print), so I, and probably half of the other potential jurors, were sent home to obtain the other kind of SSN card. What's interesting is that that card is stapled to a SSA-issued card holder that is decades old and has never be challenged before.

Phil

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Real ID

My wife and I travel a lot. Our DMV now requires you to make an appointment to go in. Hard to get one. But because I am old we just walked right up and were directed to the front of the line and got our Real ID's in a matter of minutes. When going to the DMV we had no idea that an appointment was required or being old put you at the front of the line. We just got lucky.
So we have our real ID for when needed for Domestic travel and also have our Global entry for when we travel international and also for the Domestic Pre Check line.
Traveling is so hard now a days that anything that makes your life easier is a must in my opinion.
Because of the job I had before retiring, I have been finger printed, photographed, poked prodded and everything imaginable. I don't think there is any private information I may have that the government does not have. Comes with having a top security clearance and traveling extensively. Funny thing is, I am a complete advocate of not putting any personal info on the internet ever, and I have never belonged to any social media web sites.

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Real ID

I already go my Real ID at my last renewal Now NY state has extended the deadline.

yep

plunder wrote:
John from PA wrote:

Here in Pennsylvania one form of ID can be a social security card, my card I had from the late 1960's and at some time had been laminated. That is unacceptable today so I had to get a replacement which took a few weeks...

You said that in PA a SSN card can be used as one form of ID. In Ohio that's not necessarily true. A couple of years ago I got called for jury duty and I needed to provide my SSN card. When I got there for signing in, I was told that my SSN card couldn't be used because on the very bottom of the card it said (start bold print) FOR SOCIAL SECURITY PURPOSES • NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION (end bold print), so I, and probably half of the other potential jurors, were sent home to obtain the other kind of SSN card. What's interesting is that that card is stapled to a SSA-issued card holder that is decades old and has never be challenged before.

Phil

True. I have my original SSN card issued in early 1960, they never even asked for it back when I got the RealID license. All I showed was my valid Ohio license and passport. Old license already had Veteran status noted, so no DD214 was necessary either. I was actually out of there in less than 20 minutes.

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Nope

phranc wrote:

The only reason I can think of that I would have to enter a Federal Building is for Federal Jury Duty. The lack of the Real ID would get me out of Jury Duty!

Quoting from Homeland Security "Passed by Congress in 2005, the REAL ID Act enacted the 9/11 Commission's recommendation that the Federal Government “set standards for the issuance of sources of identification, such as driver's licenses.” The Act established minimum security standards for state-issued driver's licenses and identification cards and prohibits certain federal agencies from accepting for official purposes licenses and identification cards from states that do not meet these standards. These purposes are:

Accessing certain federal facilities
Boarding federally regulated commercial aircraft
Entering nuclear power plants

Federal courts are not included.

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imho

KenSny wrote:
plunder wrote:
John from PA wrote:

Here in Pennsylvania one form of ID can be a social security card, my card I had from the late 1960's and at some time had been laminated. That is unacceptable today so I had to get a replacement which took a few weeks...

You said that in PA a SSN card can be used as one form of ID. In Ohio that's not necessarily true. A couple of years ago I got called for jury duty and I needed to provide my SSN card. When I got there for signing in, I was told that my SSN card couldn't be used because on the very bottom of the card it said (start bold print) FOR SOCIAL SECURITY PURPOSES • NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION (end bold print), so I, and probably half of the other potential jurors, were sent home to obtain the other kind of SSN card. What's interesting is that that card is stapled to a SSA-issued card holder that is decades old and has never be challenged before.

Phil

True. I have my original SSN card issued in early 1960, they never even asked for it back when I got the RealID license. All I showed was my valid Ohio license and passport. Old license already had Veteran status noted, so no DD214 was necessary either. I was actually out of there in less than 20 minutes.

A SS# or card is not useful. Also, I had heard you can only have ten replacements in a lifetime. After that a person needs to be reincarnated.

This highly ingenious measure of security worked well with SBA loans during covid.

Sweet Heaven

alandb wrote:

I wrote about my problems getting Real ID back on page 1 of this thread - http://www.poi-factory.com/node/50240?page=0#comment-499741. Basically, my birth certificate has my name misspelled (both first and middle names) so it doesn't match every other identifying document I have from my entire life, going back to my baptism record, marriage license, education records, employment and social security, tax documents, deeds, contracts, bank accounts, investments, etc.

My driver's license was up for renewal in 2022, so about 6 months before my birthday, I called the Iowa DOT and explained my situation to find out what I needed to do. They said my only option for renewing my license with Real ID was to do a legal name change and get an updated birth certificate. I started checking into that and soon realized that it required a ton of red tape, court filings and fees, etc. I eventually hired a law firm to help me through all the rigamarole. My wife even had to provide a notarized sign-off saying she has been notified and has no objection to my name change even though my "new name" matches the name on our certified marriage certificate from 50 years ago! It took about 3 months and over $1000 in legal expenses and fees, but by the time my 2022 birthday happened, I had an updated certified birth certificate with the correct spelling of my name. With that, I was able to renew my license with the "gold star". So finally, I am who I always thought I was and will now be able to get a passport if I ever want one!

Seriously?!?

Government in Action.

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Driver license isn't for ID

KenSny wrote:
plunder wrote:
John from PA wrote:

Here in Pennsylvania one form of ID can be a social security card, my card I had from the late 1960's and at some time had been laminated. That is unacceptable today so I had to get a replacement which took a few weeks...

You said that in PA a SSN card can be used as one form of ID. In Ohio that's not necessarily true. A couple of years ago I got called for jury duty and I needed to provide my SSN card. When I got there for signing in, I was told that my SSN card couldn't be used because on the very bottom of the card it said (start bold print) FOR SOCIAL SECURITY PURPOSES • NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION (end bold print), so I, and probably half of the other potential jurors, were sent home to obtain the other kind of SSN card. What's interesting is that that card is stapled to a SSA-issued card holder that is decades old and has never be challenged before.

Phil

True. I have my original SSN card issued in early 1960, they never even asked for it back when I got the RealID license. All I showed was my valid Ohio license and passport. Old license already had Veteran status noted, so no DD214 was necessary either. I was actually out of there in less than 20 minutes.

I assume that the various IDs required for a REAL-ID are EXACTLY the same in all states and territories. As such, a driver license can't be used for identification, only as proof of address. See this Ohio BMV .pdf:

https://publicsafety.ohio.gov/static/bmv2430.pdf

Phil

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well

@Plunder

I don't know where you get the idea that a driver's license can obly be used as a proof of address.

That document is referring to GETTING the new compliant ID, and that's a completely different application then using it daily as a regular ID.

However, they are using a current driver's license as a form of ID when you first get the new ID. All I had to show was a driver's license and a passport. Done deal. Of course it all depends on the clerk or office and how they follow the written rules.

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Interesting

In reading this thread, I'm amazed at how the process to obtain a Real ID varies from state to state. Since it's a federally mandated document required for travel and access to federal facilities, shouldn't it be a standard process approved by the fed?

It seems to me, the states that make it easier to obtain, compromise the integrity of the Real ID program.

Likely a problem

Wife encountered a similar situation when she requested a 'real id' at her last license renewal. As I recall, the problem was that the name on her license didn't match the name on her social security card, and that happened because her mother opted to give her a compound first name rather than separate first and middle names - that is, her birth certificate lists her first name as 'First Name + Middle Name', and no separate middle name.

Eventually went to the social security office where they were able to correct the records. Minor hassle.

I got my real ID when I last renewed my driver's license. No problem other than the usual DMV 'stand in line' thing.

I renewed my passport earlier this year - that also was relatively painless, and surprisingly, it didn't take nearly as long as they said it would. I think it was about a month from beginning to end.

I will say that the quality of the pictures on both the real ID/license and passport have degraded significantly over the years.

It's in the .pdf

KenSny wrote:

@Plunder

I don't know where you get the idea that a driver's license can obly be used as a proof of address.

That document is referring to GETTING the new compliant ID, and that's a completely different application then using it daily as a regular ID.

However, they are using a current driver's license as a form of ID when you first get the new ID. All I had to show was a driver's license and a passport. Done deal. Of course it all depends on the clerk or office and how they follow the written rules.

Ken, if different states have different rules about the docs required for a REAL-ID then you're correct. I'm assuming that because the whole REAL-ID thing is a federal mandate that all states would have the same rules. In the Ohio .pdf which has Ohio's requirements, our driver licenses are only used to prove one's address. Any Ohioans care to chip in?

Phil

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"No misfortune is so bad that whining about it won't make it worse."

I am in Ohio......

I am in Ohio...... as I stated previously.

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Okay

KenSny wrote:

I am in Ohio...... as I stated previously.

Okay, your Ohio driver license + passport got the job done, but without the passport your license would not have been enough. According to the Ohio .pdf an old style driver license is valid only for establishing your address. On the other hand, what your local BMV office allows is an entirely different issue.

Phil

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