How Many Are Getting Their Real ID's?

 

Starting October 1, 2020, every state and territory resident will need to present a REAL ID compliant license/ID, or another acceptable form of identification, for accessing Federal facilities, entering nuclear power plants, and boarding commercial aircraft. The card, itself, must be REAL ID compliant unless the resident is using an alternative acceptable document such as a passport. The Act does not require individuals to present identification where it is not currently required to access a Federal facility (such as to enter the public areas of the Smithsonian) nor does it prohibit an agency from accepting other forms of identity documents (such as a U.S. passport or passport card).

Details are available here: https://www.dhs.gov/real-id-public-faqs

A Real ID isn't absolutely necessary and many won't need to get one. However, if you travel frequently, as many of us here at the Factory do, a Read ID can be convenient.

Although the deadline is a year away, my wife and I chose to get ours this past March when our home state began issuing them. In our case, it saves us the hassle of getting out and carrying our passports for domestic travel.

I'm curious. How many here have or are planning to get their Real ID's?

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I wonder

chewbacca wrote:

We see it differently. I'm not against real ID per se. The idea to provide more information (birth or naturalization certificate, SSN, utility bills etc) to the DMV scares me. We've had enough horror hacking stories. I don't trust the DMV can protect their database against breach. I bet hackers are preparing to hit the DMV database. It's a 1 stop shop (or hack)... they'll get everything they need.

I don't know the answer but wonder if this is anything to worry about. Does anyone know if the Real ID-needed info presented for a Real ID license or ID card is simply inspected by the DMV employee or is some of the info entered into the DMV database? The employee who inspects the paperwork needs to see the info to prove citizenship, address, SS, etc. but why would they need to scan or store info on a rent or utility bill, SS number, legal name change or whatever?

Maybe it's like the TSA agent at an airport who needs to see your aircraft boarding pass and ID but doesn't scan or store either...or do they? (I fly so infrequently so my thoughts may be wrong.)

PA

CraigW wrote:

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Does anyone know if the Real ID-needed info presented for a Real ID license or ID card is simply inspected by the DMV employee or is some of the info entered into the DMV database?

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IN Pennsylvania they scanned my info into the system.

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Had ours for a while now

Unfortunately, this is slow incremental spread of the "security" state.

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CraigW wrote:
chewbacca wrote:

We see it differently. I'm not against real ID per se. The idea to provide more information (birth or naturalization certificate, SSN, utility bills etc) to the DMV scares me. We've had enough horror hacking stories. I don't trust the DMV can protect their database against breach. I bet hackers are preparing to hit the DMV database. It's a 1 stop shop (or hack)... they'll get everything they need.

I don't know the answer but wonder if this is anything to worry about. Does anyone know if the Real ID-needed info presented for a Real ID license or ID card is simply inspected by the DMV employee or is some of the info entered into the DMV database? The employee who inspects the paperwork needs to see the info to prove citizenship, address, SS, etc. but why would they need to scan or store info on a rent or utility bill, SS number, legal name change or whatever?

Maybe it's like the TSA agent at an airport who needs to see your aircraft boarding pass and ID but doesn't scan or store either...or do they? (I fly so infrequently so my thoughts may be wrong.)

I don't know about that either but I assume worst case scenario, they have all the info in their database. Soberbyker verifies that in the state of PA. That's exactly what I'm trying to avoid.

More Security needed here in the USA

Steve R. wrote:

Unfortunately, this is slow incremental spread of the "security" state.

IMHO we need it because of encroaching problems that are becomimg threats to our way of life. I've been to a lot of countries where carrying your "papers" is a way of life. Try to find a job there without the proper papers, not like here.

If you think the REAL ID is a threat to your privacy, forget about it. Any reasonable sense of privacy has long since disappeared. Our data is spread everywhere. Have you ever been asked to verify your mother's maiden name? How about your father's place of birth? Wonder where they got that? No one needed to data mine too deep to find that.

So if anyone thinks they are staying "off the grid", and their data is safe, because they don't get a REAL ID, then they are only fooling themselves.

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KenSny wrote:

So if anyone thinks they are staying "off the grid", and their data is safe, because they don't get a REAL ID, then they are only fooling themselves.

To be clear I did not say I'm "staying off the grid" by not applying for a real ID. I got a passport so I know the government has my information. Limiting the spread of my info to all government entities is what I'm avoiding.

Same Here

soberbyker wrote:
CraigW wrote:

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Does anyone know if the Real ID-needed info presented for a Real ID license or ID card is simply inspected by the DMV employee or is some of the info entered into the DMV database?

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IN Pennsylvania they scanned my info into the system.

My information was also scanned by the Pennsylvania DMV.

I will be getting mine soon ..

It would be good to have.

The documents needed for a

The documents needed for a real ID were exactly the same as I needed to get my original state drivers license when I moved to my current state. They said that this time they scan them and send them to the feds. What federal agency? Nobody knew. Not sure what this really does for security. It is harder for an illegal immigrant to get a REAL ID then a driver's license they may be issued in many states, so I guess that is one reason.

But why does a driver's license REAL ID have more documents required than a simple passport/passport card, which provides the same access? The mind boggles.

 

chewbacca wrote:
KenSny wrote:

So if anyone thinks they are staying "off the grid", and their data is safe, because they don't get a REAL ID, then they are only fooling themselves.

To be clear I did not say I'm "staying off the grid" by not applying for a real ID. I got a passport so I know the government has my information. Limiting the spread of my info to all government entities is what I'm avoiding.

Not sure how getting a Real ID or a Not-Real ID makes much difference there. I needed to provide the same documents (e.g. passport/birth certificate and utility statements (or similar) to get my driver's license issued when I moved before the Real ID started.

So the state already had the information. Now I had to do it all over again for the Real ID, so they have it again, just updated dates.

No me!

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strange

to get the original drivers license I had to show my birth certificate and I had to show it again for the enhanced one ! makes you wonder what records do they keep ?

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telecomdigest2 wrote:
chewbacca wrote:
KenSny wrote:

So if anyone thinks they are staying "off the grid", and their data is safe, because they don't get a REAL ID, then they are only fooling themselves.

To be clear I did not say I'm "staying off the grid" by not applying for a real ID. I got a passport so I know the government has my information. Limiting the spread of my info to all government entities is what I'm avoiding.

Not sure how getting a Real ID or a Not-Real ID makes much difference there. I needed to provide the same documents (e.g. passport/birth certificate and utility statements (or similar) to get my driver's license issued when I moved before the Real ID started.

So the state already had the information. Now I had to do it all over again for the Real ID, so they have it again, just updated dates.

I just renewed mine about a year ago. It's a California driver license (non real ID compliant). I did not have to submit my passport, utility bills, paychecks, SSN, birth certificate, marriage license etc. I just filled out a renewal application online and went to the DMV to have a new photograph taken. That's it.

The last 2 renewals have been over the internet. I did not have to visit the DMV for the past 2 renewals. The third renewal I gotta have a new photo taken at the DMV so I could not do it online.

Done at Renewal of my DL

I had to renew my Driver's License anyway, so I just got it for the potential convenience. My passport already gives me the same access, but I don't carry that with me except for international flights.

This way I don't have to remember anything unusual to go into a federal facility, since I always have my Driver's License with me.

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I got one.

Getting into some secured facilities and federal sites when delivering is easier with real ID. Otherwise I have to carry my passport.

SS

Frside007 wrote:

Getting into some secured facilities and federal sites when delivering is easier with real ID. Otherwise I have to carry my passport.

And keep in mind that I expect this will apply to Social Security offices and possibly federal courthouses, etc.

How Many Are Getting Their Real ID's?

So, with the Real ID issue, what would happen if you get called for jury service at a federal courthouse. Would you not have to serve, if you didn't have a Real ID? Would the jury pool be exempt?

Use your passport. And I

Use your passport.
And I think they will find a way to let you serve on the jury....

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Got mine also even though I

Got mine also even though I also renewed my Passport so I'm good to go

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Got Mine

I did it on my last renewal

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Also did on last DL renewal about a year ago

As usual, CA DMV screwed up the system so badly when they first implemented the Real ID, that people were waiting in line all day, literally, and still not getting it! Appointments had to be made 3-4 MONTHS in advance, if they were available at all. I actually let my license expire until the lines were shorter, and was finally able to get in by going as a walk up late in the day on a Friday, when the DMV staff were anxious to get people through so they could go home. Only took about an hour. I was advised to get Veteran designation as well, and I'm glad I did even though it meant an extra trip to the County Veteran Affairs office. I no longer have to produce a DD-214 or separate VA card for veteran benefits, or even for something as simple as a free meal at many restaurants tomorrow! smile

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Planning On Getting Mine Soon

Planning on getting mine real soon. Waiting on a copy of my birth certificate I had to order from the state of New York to do so.

When you get a Passport they take the documents

When you get a Passport you surrender certain documents that are mailed back to you. This is to detect forgeries, thus they scan for "Real ID" to check and have evidence if you try fake documents.

YES

chewbacca wrote:

I just renewed mine about a year ago. It's a California driver license (non real ID compliant). I did not have to submit my passport, utility bills, paychecks, SSN, birth certificate, marriage license etc. I just filled out a renewal application online and went to the DMV to have a new photograph taken. That's it.

The last 2 renewals have been over the internet. I did not have to visit the DMV for the past 2 renewals. The third renewal I gotta have a new photo taken at the DMV so I could not do it online.

CA's policies of ID are another reason the rest of the country needs better ID's. Basically they give anyone a driver's license. BTW: how many languages are the voting ballots now printed in for each election? SF was over 60 when I left. Must cost taxpayers a small fortune because anyone can vote.

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Hacking

chewbacca wrote:
plunder wrote:

I suppose it's better to have a RealID and not need it than to need it and not have it.

Phil

We see it differently. I'm not against real ID per se. The idea to provide more information (birth or naturalization certificate, SSN, utility bills etc) to the DMV scares me. We've had enough horror hacking stories. I don't trust the DMV can protect their database against breach. I bet hackers are preparing to hit the DMV database. It's a 1 stop shop (or hack)... they'll get everything they need.

I'd be willing to bet that a substantial percentage of the US population has already been "hacked" in one way, shape or form.

Hackers have so many potential targets to pick from that the chance of being an identity theft victim is roughly the same as winning the lottery. These odds just keep shrinking with time and every new hack.

Yes, there will always be that slight chance but to me, it isn't worth depriving myself of things that make my life easier.

not secret years ago

bdhsfz6 wrote:

I'd be willing to bet that a substantial percentage of the US population has already been "hacked" in one way, shape or form

These days most people count Social Security Number as a really important thing to keep secret.

But when I went to college in 1967 attitudes were different. My SSN was my college student ID number. I wrote it on the checkout card every time I checked a book out of the college library. So I have trouble imagining my information is secret at all.

To flip sides of the argument, however, I had an episode just a couple of years ago in which some crook called up my credit card company and persuaded them to change my address. I learned this after spotting an unexpected $700 charge to my credit card at a hunting supply store several states away. The perpetrator apparently had placed an order, with instruction for delivery to the (new) address on the credit card. Fortunately someone on the store staff had smelled a rat, and they had not prepped the order for shipment when I called up a few hours later.

I suspect most people on this forum would improve their fraud odds more by adopting the habit of daily reviewing their credit card and financial account transactions than they would be avoiding Read ID registration.

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Real ID

I got mine. I had to go to DVM office, but went to one that wasn't busy. I may never use it. My flying days may be over - if I am lucky.

got the enhanced driver license instead ...

I figure that will be good until the Government decides it's not.

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Yes

We will get ours soon.

Rumors

Since the deadline for obtaining a Real ID is one month before the 2020 general election, there are rumors circulating about Real ID's being required to vote.

As of now, this is NOT the case in all 50 states. More information is available here:

https://www.voteriders.org/do-i-need-a-real-id-to-vote/

Done

Although I didn't have to, I decided to avoid the mad rush and took care of it about a month ago. I got very lucky and found a day when the MVA wasn't busy.

Did scan in New Mexico

CraigW wrote:

The employee who inspects the paperwork needs to see the info to prove citizenship, address, SS, etc. but why would they need to scan or store info on a rent or utility bill, SS number, legal name change or whatever?

I did not pay close attention when I got my RealID in October here in New Mexico, but thought perhaps the agent just typed numbers and such from my documents into the system. But my wife was more attentive when she got her ID in November. Her passport would not fit directly into their scanner, so they did the intermediate step of photocopying one page, and the other three documents each had one to two pages scanned directly.

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Got It

Had driver license renewed in the spring, then took required documents in this summer. All ready to go. Now I just need somewhere to go!

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Nope

Passport for me.

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got mine at my last renewal

I dont have to waorry about bringing my passport when traveling in the US.

There is also an Enhanced DL (EDL) in five states

Quoting from the U. S. Passport Office

Quote:

A State-issued Enhanced Driver's License (EDL) provides travelers not only a license to drive but also a proof of identity and citizenship when exiting and re-entering the United States borders. This is a card under the Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI) that has security features and technology that make travel a lot easier and safer. They provide travelers with a low-cost, convenient alternative to a passport for entering the United States from Canada, Mexico or the Caribbean through a land or sea port of entry, in addition to serving as a permit to drive. The states of Michigan, Minnesota, New York, Vermont and Washington State are currently the only states issuing these enhanced drivers licenses. This license cannot be used for air travel in any of the above mentioned countries.

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doesn't it have to be a

doesn't it have to be a PICTURE ID. I don't think a baby picture will suffice even if they included one on your BC

not in NM

ruggb wrote:

doesn't it have to be a PICTURE ID. I don't think a baby picture will suffice even if they included one on your BC

Assuming you are talking about documents supplied to support a Real ID application: Nope.

Here in New Mexico the "1 from column A" options that most people will use are either a passport or a birth certificate. I think the majority here are using birth certificates, and I've never seen one of those with a picture. Yes, passports do, but they are not the only option, nor even the most common one.

The primary candidate for "1 from column B" is a social security card--no picture there, either. Most of the other candidates don't, either.

The most common candidates for "2 from column C" are utility bills, financial account statements, or insurance papers, none of which commonly has a picture.

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Did it

several years ago

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Yup

archae86 wrote:

I suspect most people on this forum would improve their fraud odds more by adopting the habit of daily reviewing their credit card and financial account transactions than they would be avoiding Read ID registration.

I agree. In my case I don't even have to remember to check my credit card transactions. I have mine set up to send me an e-mail every time there is a transaction over $25, and since I need to read my e-mail regularly for other reasons, I should see anything bogus very quickly.

No fraudulent transactions yet on my personal cards, but six years ago I got a call about the card from my employer that I carry. Two days earlier I had returned from a business trip to New Orleans and the card company called to ask if I had attempted to use that card an hour earlier to buy a stereo in another city. I assume that someone in NOLA had snagged the CC number and security code and figured it was free cash.

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You trust the DMV?

The California Department of Motor Vehicles is generating revenue of $50,000,000 a year through selling drivers’ personal information, according to a DMV document obtained by Motherboard.

DMVs across the country are selling data that drivers are required to provide to the organization in order to obtain a license. This information includes names, physical addresses, and car registration information. California’s sales come from a state which generally scrutinizes privacy to a higher degree than the rest of the country.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/evjekz/the-california-dmv...

humm

chewbacca wrote:

The California Department of Motor Vehicles is generating revenue of $50,000,000 a year through selling drivers’ personal information

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California’s sales come from a state which generally
scrutinizes privacy to a higher degree than the rest of the country.

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It's against Pennsylvania law to sell that info. In fact PA had to repeal a law to allow Real ID to be issued here because the law had prohibited it.

Quote:

Why did PennDOT wait so long to begin the REAL ID process?

Until May 2017, Pennsylvania law prohibited PennDOT from complying with the federal REAL ID Act. Act 3 of 2017 repealed this prior legislation and allowed PennDOT to seek REAL ID compliance. REAL ID-compliant driver's licenses and ID cards are now available to customers who want them.

https://www.dmv.pa.gov/pages/real-id-frequently-asked-questions.aspx

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Got mine last year

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Passport card

Been using passport card as my ID.

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SSN card not ID

We had an interesting gotcha in the RealID process for some people here in New Mexico recently. Apparently some of the "good old days" social security cards bear a legend declaring not to be for identification purposes. Some counter clerks advised applicants this meant they could not be accepted for RealID documentation.

This was an error and new training guidance has been issued. The column 1 document (usually a birth certificate or passport) IS for identification. But the column 2 document (usually a social security card, 1099, or such) is for providing your ID number (SSN for most of us), and the old cards were intended for that and are again accepted for that.

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I

plan to, why not, I hate carrying a passport all the time if flying domestically...

My wife got a new license and didn't opt for it, stating she'll just carry a passport.

The reason I hate carrying a passport is it's a privilege to have one. Lose it, and it doesn't have to be replaced, it's up to DOS. Don't ask me how I know. Like a SS card, there is a limit to how many can be lost in a lifetime. So why in the world would anyone not secure it?

p.s. anyone remember the fake IDs you could buy in Times Square? I can't even believe they were good for anything at all, yet they were.

Not ID

archae86 wrote:

We had an interesting gotcha in the RealID process for some people here in New Mexico recently. Apparently some of the "good old days" social security cards bear a legend declaring not to be for identification purposes. Some counter clerks advised applicants this meant they could not be accepted for RealID documentation.

This was an error and new training guidance has been issued. The column 1 document (usually a birth certificate or passport) IS for identification. But the column 2 document (usually a social security card, 1099, or such) is for providing your ID number (SSN for most of us), and the old cards were intended for that and are again accepted for that.

My original SS card had the not for ID on it, an example at the link below. It also had "For Social Security Purposes Only" on it.

I got a new SS card this past summer because either the real ID or passport, can't remember which, said the SS card couldn't be laminated. I had laminated mine with scotch tape, still in good shape too.

Even though I had the new one on me, when I went to the DMV to enter my 'real' info in for the next time my CDL comes up for renewal, I used the taped one to see if it would work, it did.

By the way, although the new SS cards no longer say not for ID, the paper they are attached to suggests you do not carry it on you.

https://i.postimg.cc/25Dh58H8/ssn-no-id.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/43Nr7tNW/Social-Security-Card-1.jpg

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Don't have one yet

That reminds me I need to renew my passport too

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