DriveLuxe 51 updates (and all Drivexxx x1 devices!) Now they see Galileo sats

 

I don't think this has been reported yet. The DriveLuxe 51 has a couple of updates:

Software version 6.00 March 27, 2019:
Change History
Changes made from version 4.40 to 6.00:
-Added support for the new Garmin BC 40 Wireless Backup Camera.
-Enabled Galileo satellite support.
-Improved routing calculations.
-Improved the reliability of connections to Bluetooth devices.
-Fixed an issue that caused some spoken words to be mispronounced.
-Fixed an issue that could cause incorrect route calculations when using maps of Southeast Asia.
-Improved software stability.

DriveLuxe 51 Language Text software version 2.00 March 27, 2019
Change History
Changes made from version 1.90 to 2.00:
-Various translation updates.

[Later] Thanks to alandb for reporting that updates are available for all Drivexxx x1 devices to include Galileo support! I've revised the thread's Subject so that others will know of the update.

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Galileo

This is a surprise. When I bought my used DriveLuxe 51 on eBay, I never thought it'd be a Galileo-compatible device. But it is!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation)

Agree.

CraigW wrote:

This is a surprise. When I bought my used DriveLuxe 51 on eBay, I never thought it'd be a Galileo-compatible device. But it is!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation)

Yes, that is quite a surprise for a device introduced in early 2017. Garmin apparently used a premium chipset that had the Galileo support. It is great that Garmin enabled the capability through a software update.

Edit: It appears that there are software updates for the entire 2017 Drive x1 series (including the Drive, DriveSmart, DriveAssist and DriveLuxe models) and all of them include the enabled Galileo support.

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CraigW wrote:

I don't think this has been reported yet. The DriveLuxe 51 has a couple of updates:

~snip~

[Later] Thanks to alandb for reporting that updates are available for all Drivexxx x1 devices to include Galileo support! I've revised the thread's Subject so that others will know of the update.

The DriveSmart updates were announced a little while ago, I remember asking questions about the Galileo part of the update, hadn't heard of it before.

Since the update I've been checking what satelites my DS61 is connected to and it averages 4 Galileo to 5 GPS.

On the screen where you see the scattered satellites I also see the sun & moon, which are obvious, what about the circled dot, is that where I am? (the photo is pre update)

https://i.postimg.cc/HxhDZVhT/20190403-162429-1.jpg

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Thanks

soberbyker wrote:

On the screen where you see the scattered satellites I also see the sun & moon, which are obvious, what about the circled dot, is that where I am? (the photo is pre update)

https://i.postimg.cc/HxhDZVhT/20190403-162429-1.jpg

Thanks for your recollection.

The red dot is your GPS's last known direction of travel (east in your photo, assuming the sat display is North Up).

DriveLuxe 51 & Galileo Satellites

Thanks for the tip. I just did the update.

driveLuxe 51

alandb wrote:

...Garmin apparently used a premium chipset that had the Galileo support. It is great that Garmin enabled the capability through a software update.

It shows that Garmin is a quality product. The demise of the road GPS has been greatly exaggerated. No smartphone can come close to the GPS hardware and software in the Garmin Driveluxe 51.

dobs108 smile

How about this?

CraigW wrote:

Thanks for your recollection.

The red dot is your GPS's last known direction of travel (east in your photo, assuming the sat display is North Up).

CraigW, here's a screenshot with both, sometimes when I open this screen the Galileo satellites show as hollowed bars when the screen first opens, then a minute or so later go solid, (keeping the same heights) any reasoning for that?

https://i.postimg.cc/T32YsSR9/20190426-054334.jpg

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Satellite screen

With the outlined versus solid bars, I have assumed the outlined bar meaning that the device knows that that satellite should be seen, and that the solid bar meaning that it is actually receiving data from the satellite.

But I am sure someone here with more knowledge will be able to enlighten us.

/JCA

Ditto

jcavaa wrote:

With the outlined versus solid bars, I have assumed the outlined bar meaning that the device knows that that satellite should be seen, and that the solid bar meaning that it is actually receiving data from the satellite.

But I am sure someone here with more knowledge will be able to enlighten us.

/JCA

I think the same thing.

me too but ..

CraigW wrote:
jcavaa wrote:

With the outlined versus solid bars, I have assumed the outlined bar meaning that the device knows that that satellite should be seen, and that the solid bar meaning that it is actually receiving data from the satellite.

But I am sure someone here with more knowledge will be able to enlighten us.

/JCA

I think the same thing.

.. why the different correct heights, meaning when they fill in the strength is the same as before they filled in.

thanks.

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Ah

soberbyker wrote:

.. why the different correct heights, meaning when they fill in the strength is the same as before they filled in.

thanks.

Ah, good question. Here's a guess or two. The individual bar heights could be:

1) based on signal strength of each satellite's RF transmission but before your device has included the satellite data into a positioning aid, and

2) based on each satellite's expected location (directly above, near or at the horizon, etc.) from your device's stored almanac assuming it's current and the device hasn't been powered up at a vastly different location than where it was last used.

I lean towards #1 although #3 (None of the Above) must also be considered. wink

Bar Height is Signal

Bar Height is Signal Strength.

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yeah

phranc wrote:

Bar Height is Signal Strength.

I know that, I used the terms interchangeably.

The question is why the bars sometime look hollow as in my screenshot above, and once they fill in, the height, aka strength, remains the same.

Hollowed out could mean they haven't been found yet, filling in once found, but if that's the case how is the unit correctly guessing what the strength/height will be.

It's not important, just something I was wondering.

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My understanding ...

soberbyker wrote:

The question is why the bars sometime look hollow as in my screenshot above, and once they fill in, the height, aka strength, remains the same.

Hollowed out could mean they haven't been found yet, filling in once found, but if that's the case how is the unit correctly guessing what the strength/height will be.

It's not important, just something I was wondering.

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My understanding is that a hollow bar indicates your GPS receiver can
"see" that satellite (in other words it is receiving a signal from it), but has not yet determined its exact location in the orbit and is not yet "locked on" to it for position calculations. GPS satellites send very basic timing and orbital information. For a single satellite, this received data could put the satellite in more than one location within its orbit, so the GPS receiver must do mathematical calculations in relation to the signals received from other satellites to determine the exact position of the given satellite within its orbit. That is why it takes at least 4 locked in satellites to determine your position on earth. Once it figures out the exact orbital location for the satellite, it "locks in" (uses it in its positioning calculations) and fills in the bar on the signal chart. I am sure this explanation is over simplified and probably technically flawed, but it is my limited understanding of how the GPS system works.

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Hollow=I see you. Solid=I'm

Hollow=I see you.
Solid=I'm locked on.

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thanks

alandb wrote:

~snip~

it is my limited understanding of how the GPS system works.

Thanks alandb, sounds plausible to me.

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10 Foot Accuracy

The best accuracy I have seen so far is:

10 Foot Accuracy

Has anybody here seen a more accurate reading yet?

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Jim1348 wrote:

The best accuracy I have seen so far is:

10 Foot Accuracy

Has anybody here seen a more accurate reading yet?

I am getting 10ft consistently with the DriveSmart 61 in my office. Never think to check it when it's in my car. It is showing 5 to 7 regular satellites locked on and 4-5 Galileo.

My DriveLuxe 50, running beside the 61 gets 24ft accuracy.

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GPS Position Accuracy

Use caution when using position accuracy (EPE) readings. The number is an indication of precision or statistical level of confidence, not overall accuracy.

An interesting but somewhat technical article on the subject:

https://interpine.nz/gps-accuracy-estimate-epe-what-is-it/

While lower numbers are better, they are not a reliable indication of distance from an actual point on the face of the earth.

before and after

t923347 wrote:
Jim1348 wrote:

The best accuracy I have seen so far is:

10 Foot Accuracy

Has anybody here seen a more accurate reading yet?

I am getting 10ft consistently with the DriveSmart 61 in my office. Never think to check it when it's in my car. It is showing 5 to 7 regular satellites locked on and 4-5 Galileo.

My DriveLuxe 50, running beside the 61 gets 24ft accuracy.

I was getting "10 foot" before the addition of Galileo, still get the 10 foot number so I'm not sure how the addition helps, but more (satellites) is better right. Of course I get all kinds of numbers still but the 10 foot did happen prior to the update as well.

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So in the real world..

for those that have used Galileo enabled and non-Galileo units are we talking about like 10 feet better accuracy? Curious if they work better in areas where there are tall buildings like downtown area of major city where you're surrounded by tall buildings?

I would like to know as

I would like to know as well, my etrex 20 get within about 14 feet with good clear conditions but around tall buildings not so well

The last time I ever saw

The last time I ever saw better than 10 ft accuracy was with my old Nuvi 760 with the external antenna connected on top of the car. I remember seeing 5 ft, several times. But that's been a long time ago and Garmin stopped putting the external antenna jack on newer models.

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drive 51-LM no galileo

I recently have the new software update on my Drive 51-LM but I do not see Galileo satellite on the sattus menu? how do I turn on galileo?

No galileo sat on Drive 51 yet

alandb wrote:
CraigW wrote:

This is a surprise. When I bought my used DriveLuxe 51 on eBay, I never thought it'd be a Galileo-compatible device. But it is!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation)

Yes, that is quite a surprise for a device introduced in early 2017. Garmin apparently used a premium chipset that had the Galileo support. It is great that Garmin enabled the capability through a software update.

Edit: It appears that there are software updates for the entire 2017 Drive x1 series (including the Drive, DriveSmart, DriveAssist and DriveLuxe models) and all of them include the enabled Galileo support.

I received the update on my Drive 51 but I do not see Galileo satellite on my status menu?

Welcome

ladybug209 wrote:

I received the update on my Drive 51 but I do not see Galileo satellite on my status menu?

Welcome to The Factory.

Your Drive 51 should have received the update with software 6.0 (current version is now 6.1). Did you do the update with Garmin Express? You could try connecting the Drive to your computer and re-run Garmin Express to see if there's anything new.

When you say "status menu," what are you referring to? The new sats should be seen on the satellite page (long hold the upper left corner sat signal bars icon to see this page). I'm just checking to see that we're both looking in the same place.

If all fails, you could try (in this order):

-power down (long hold the power button until the shutdown screen appears and click shutdown) the Drive, then restart it.

-do hard hard reset of your Drive 51.

-call Garmin Support and have your Drive connected to your computer and see if they can resolve your issue.

Good luck!

Still not working

CraigW wrote:
ladybug209 wrote:

I received the update on my Drive 51 but I do not see Galileo satellite on my status menu?

Welcome to The Factory.

Your Drive 51 should have received the update with software 6.0 (current version is now 6.1). Did you do the update with Garmin Express? You could try connecting the Drive to your computer and re-run Garmin Express to see if there's anything new.

When you say "status menu," what are you referring to? The new sats should be seen on the satellite page (long hold the upper left corner sat signal bars icon to see this page). I'm just checking to see that we're both looking in the same place.

If all fails, you could try (in this order):

-power down (long hold the power button until the shutdown screen appears and click shutdown) the Drive, then restart it.

-do hard hard reset of your Drive 51.

-call Garmin Support and have your Drive connected to your computer and see if they can resolve your issue.

Good luck!

I did factory resetting and all not working and still not showing galileo satellites on the status page on my Drive 51. I contacted garmin chat support and twitter and to my surprised they told me all garmin auto gps do not support galileo and I was like you dont know what you are talking about lol. Garmin chat support say they will escalate my inquiries to the higher department and emailed me if it supports it but i forgot to get the ticket number so I hope she will follow-up my questions.

I wonder if Drive 51 hardware supports it or it's just the software I updated to the latest 6.10 and connected again and no more update. Does anyone has Drive 51 or any drive garmin that has Galileo satellite showing on the status page?

here are the screenshots of garmin twitter and my GPS satus not showing galileo.

No galileo: https://ibb.co/M1P4PKr

Garmin twitter conversation: https://ibb.co/sC0hpqH

Keep us in the loop

ladybug209 wrote:

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here are the screenshots of garmin twitter and my GPS satus not showing galileo.

No galileo: https://ibb.co/M1P4PKr

Garmin twitter conversation: https://ibb.co/sC0hpqH

Several folks here have stated Garmin voice phone support is better than chat or email so that may be worth a try.

Garmin definitely states that the plane Drive 51 (not Assist/Smart/Luxe) is Galileo-capable starting with update 6.0 unless this page is in error:

https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=1028...

so please let us know how the escalation works for you. And let's hope you also get a response from one or more users here with a Drive 51 to see their findings.

still waiting...

CraigW wrote:
ladybug209 wrote:

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here are the screenshots of garmin twitter and my GPS satus not showing galileo.

No galileo: https://ibb.co/M1P4PKr

Garmin twitter conversation: https://ibb.co/sC0hpqH

Several folks here have stated Garmin voice phone support is better than chat or email so that may be worth a try.

Garmin definitely states that the plane Drive 51 (not Assist/Smart/Luxe) is Galileo-capable starting with update 6.0 unless this page is in error:

https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=1028...

so please let us know how the escalation works for you. And let's hope you also get a response from one or more users here with a Drive 51 to see their findings.

Yes I have escalated two emails regarding if Drive 51 supports Galileo. They escalated it to their "engineers" all garmin support team do not know about all this Galileo update they thought this is only in Europe alone so I have to refer the pictures shared on this website about other garmin who has Galileo Satellites and links all reference including that software update web page. I will be waiting also their engineer respond. I just received small update about texts error and such but no galileo yet.

yea if the software update shows galileo for both drive and smart why they included galileo support if these two devices don't even have the hardware? I think Drive models release in 2017 and galileo enabled in 2016 in europe so it should have the hardware.

Did you guys have the Driveluxe 51 Galileo enabled? can you show pictures?

what are Garmin gps's support galileo?

Yes

ladybug209 wrote:

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Did you guys have the Driveluxe 51 Galileo enabled? can you show pictures?

what are Garmin gps's support galileo?

I bought a used DriveLuxe 51 on ebay before the software updates and of course had no Galileo sats appear. I received the update through Garmin Express and Galileo sats appeared. It was a very pleasant surprise.

For images of of satellite screen before and after the Galileo update, look to two posts in this thread made by soberbyker which each contain a link to a screenshot on his DriveSmart.

From this and other Garmin web pages:

https://www.garmin.com/en-GB/blog/the-garmin-drive-sat-navs-...

Garmin states the entire Drive series of devices have access to Galileo so to me, either 1) Garmin has repeatedly stated this while the plain Drive (not Assist/Smart/Luxe) models, in fact, do not have the feature meaning Garmin needs to revise these pages to correct the misstatements; or 2) there's some specific issue with your device that Garmin needs to resolve either through a software update or a replacement if yours is still under warranty.

At least in the past, users here have reported that calling Garmin Phone Support while at their computer with the device connected, Garmin with your permission can access online the files in the device and if need be, correct problems due to missing or corrupt files, settings, etc. Assuming Garmin still does this, my suggestion is to call them next week after the Monday holiday and get a live person on the phone to check things out.

2 Drive 51 units updated to

2 Drive 51 units updated to 6.10, no Galileo, so I have to assume that this is not available on the Drive units.

!0 ft is good enough for me so I won't worry about it.

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Drive 51 do not have galileo?

CraigW wrote:
ladybug209 wrote:

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Did you guys have the Driveluxe 51 Galileo enabled? can you show pictures?

what are Garmin gps's support galileo?

I bought a used DriveLuxe 51 on ebay before the software updates and of course had no Galileo sats appear. I received the update through Garmin Express and Galileo sats appeared. It was a very pleasant surprise.

For images of of satellite screen before and after the Galileo update, look to two posts in this thread made by soberbyker which each contain a link to a screenshot on his DriveSmart.

From this and other Garmin web pages:

https://www.garmin.com/en-GB/blog/the-garmin-drive-sat-navs-...

Garmin states the entire Drive series of devices have access to Galileo so to me, either 1) Garmin has repeatedly stated this while the plain Drive (not Assist/Smart/Luxe) models, in fact, do not have the feature meaning Garmin needs to revise these pages to correct the misstatements; or 2) there's some specific issue with your device that Garmin needs to resolve either through a software update or a replacement if yours is still under warranty.

At least in the past, users here have reported that calling Garmin Phone Support while at their computer with the device connected, Garmin with your permission can access online the files in the device and if need be, correct problems due to missing or corrupt files, settings, etc. Assuming Garmin still does this, my suggestion is to call them next week after the Monday holiday and get a live person on the phone to check things out.

I bought my Drive 51 on ebay as well and i think drive 51 and drivesmart 51 just that smart has some added feature but when it comes to GPS chipset they should be the same..

So this device dont have Galileo? Then why it doesnt say there drivesmart only that galileo is enabled? I thought garmin has been putting galileo on their gps long time ago but it was not enabled like around 2015.

who knows.

CraigW wrote:

https://www.garmin.com/en-GB/blog/the-garmin-drive-sat-navs-...

Garmin states the entire Drive series of devices have access to Galileo so to me, either 1) Garmin has repeatedly stated this while the plain Drive (not Assist/Smart/Luxe) models, in fact, do not have the feature meaning Garmin needs to revise these pages to correct the misstatements; or 2) there's some specific issue with your device that Garmin needs to resolve either through a software update or a replacement if yours is still under warranty.

I think you are assuming too much. If the article is taken at face value (published Jan 2019) about NEW Drive units and some of us have older (1 or 2 years ago), then who knows what is going to happen.

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Satellites

KenSny wrote:

2 Drive 51 units updated to 6.10, no Galileo, so I have to assume that this is not available on the Drive units.

!0 ft is good enough for me so I won't worry about it.

The more satellites the more accurate specially on tall buildings and trees. Galileo Satellites are position on the highest Latitude higher than any GPS satellites this is for accuracy on cities and trees. The higher the Latitude the more it can see your devices.

yes

I understand that, but I normally see 10-15 ft accuracy. I don't drive in any urban canyons which means I can do without it.

If you need the accuracy then you should probably be thinking of getting one of the newer Drivexxx units.

I think we are beating the "dead horse" here Wanting new stuff on the entry level devices.

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DriveDeluxe 51

The Drivedeluxe 51 does have the Galileo sattellites. After updating, I shut the gps down and when I hooked it up to power source, it wanted me to download another file. I did so and up pops the Galileo and GPS screen. Had the gps hooked up to power source. That may be the difference

Gps

KenSny wrote:

I understand that, but I normally see 10-15 ft accuracy. I don't drive in any urban canyons which means I can do without it.

If you need the accuracy then you should probably be thinking of getting one of the newer Drivexxx units.

I think we are beating the "dead horse" here Wanting new stuff on the entry level devices.

No GPS units are more accurate than cellphone with A-GPS and galileo. If i go to cities i prefer using cellphone because it is 99% more accurate but it be better if i use one unit only rather than switching back and forth. Galileo may not be more accurate but it will have better coverage better than just using GPS satellites..

Drive 51 was built on 2017 i think so the chipset should support it maybe it needs to activate the hardware. I can see on this device has wifi settings under the hood settings but it is disabled unless garmin enabled thro software so i believe galileo is there until garming enabled it through hardware update because software is there already or maybe just plain this unit do not have the chipset of Galileo satellites.

Did you guys happen to call garmin about drive 51?

Update..

raycock wrote:

The Drivedeluxe 51 does have the Galileo sattellites. After updating, I shut the gps down and when I hooked it up to power source, it wanted me to download another file. I did so and up pops the Galileo and GPS screen. Had the gps hooked up to power source. That may be the difference

This does to me last night i shut it down and when i turn it ON it prompts me there are updates need to download so i downloed it but it was only small update like text to speech and such.

Are you saying after the 6.10 update you did not see galileo and then after the 2nd update with power connection you then see galileo?

Yes

Yes, after shutting it down and getting the small update, it was there.

But then there's this

KenSny wrote:
CraigW wrote:

https://www.garmin.com/en-GB/blog/the-garmin-drive-sat-navs-...

Garmin states the entire Drive series of devices have access to Galileo so to me, either 1) Garmin has repeatedly stated this while the plain Drive (not Assist/Smart/Luxe) models, in fact, do not have the feature meaning Garmin needs to revise these pages to correct the misstatements; or 2) there's some specific issue with your device that Garmin needs to resolve either through a software update or a replacement if yours is still under warranty.

I think you are assuming too much. If the article is taken at face value (published Jan 2019) about NEW Drive units and some of us have older (1 or 2 years ago), then who knows what is going to happen.

But then there's this from May 6, 2019:

https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=1028...

Drive and DriveSmart 51 software version 6.10
as of May 6, 2019

...Changes made from version 4.40 to 6.00:

DriveSmart 51 Only - Added support in the for the new Garmin BC 40 Wireless Backup Camera.

Enabled Galileo satellite support.

Improved routing calculations.

Improved the reliability of connections to Bluetooth devices.

Fixed an issue that caused some spoken words to be mispronounced.

Fixed an issue that could cause incorrect route calculations when
using maps of Southeast Asia.

Improved software stability...

Drive release dates

From alandb's FAQ

Release dates:

1/2017 Drive 51, 61;
2/2017 DriveSmart 51; DriveAssist 51; DriveLuxe 51

We know 2 of the 3 Drives released in 2/17 have Galileo with a currently unknown Drive 61 and 51 Assist status.

Possibly unknown status for the Drive 51 although Kensny's report of 2 Drive 51 units updated to 6.10, no Galileo, so I have to assume that this is not available on the Drive units makes it sound potentially doubtful.

High latitudes?

ladybug209 wrote:

The more satellites the more accurate specially on tall buildings and trees. Galileo Satellites are position on the highest Latitude higher than any GPS satellites this is for accuracy on cities and trees. The higher the Latitude the more it can see your devices.

I am curious about how you are using your Drive device for high latitudes. Do you mean navigating somewhere in the artic circle? It is true that Galileo satellites have improved coverage there, but that doesn't fit with your statement about tall buildings and trees. It is also true that more visible satellites will improve accuracy in "urban canyons", so having a Galileo enabled device may impact that, but I don't think higher latitude coverage will improve accuracy in most cities. In any case, here is an interesting article about why GPS use is difficult in high latitude regions: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/news/navigating-the-arctic-...

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Tall bldgs

alandb wrote:

I am curious about how you are using your Drive device for high latitudes. Do you mean navigating somewhere in the artic circle? It is true that Galileo satellites have improved coverage there, but that doesn't fit with your statement about tall buildings...

Whitehorse YT Canada

https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/log-skyscrapers-of-white...

twisted

Higher orbit

alandb wrote:
ladybug209 wrote:

The more satellites the more accurate specially on tall buildings and trees. Galileo Satellites are position on the highest Latitude higher than any GPS satellites this is for accuracy on cities and trees. The higher the Latitude the more it can see your devices.

I am curious about how you are using your Drive device for high latitudes. Do you mean navigating somewhere in the artic circle? It is true that Galileo satellites have improved coverage there, but that doesn't fit with your statement about tall buildings and trees. It is also true that more visible satellites will improve accuracy in "urban canyons", so having a Galileo enabled device may impact that, but I don't think higher latitude coverage will improve accuracy in most cities. In any case, here is an interesting article about why GPS use is difficult in high latitude regions: https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/news/navigating-the-arctic-why-gps-might-fail-you/

When i say higher latitude i meant higher orbit, higher than GPS and Glonass the higher the orbit the better view from the surface. Put the flashlight 1 foot above the floor facing down and compare it to 6 feet above the floor what difference you see? Wider coverage right? Do some research why galileo is better i dont need to put infos here you guys know whats the benefits.

Still no galileo

raycock wrote:

Yes, after shutting it down and getting the small update, it was there.

Okay thanks for confirming. I just received few small updates but the updates were force it didnt show up right away i have to click the map and go back and the update shows up but still no galileo for me.

Uh ... OK

ladybug209 wrote:

When i say higher latitude i meant higher orbit, higher than GPS and Glonass the higher the orbit the better view from the surface. Put the flashlight 1 foot above the floor facing down and compare it to 6 feet above the floor what difference you see? Wider coverage right? Do some research why galileo is better i dont need to put infos here you guys know whats the benefits.

Sorry I missed your point. I think you are using the wrong word then. Latitude is part of the earth coordinate system … the position on the earth's surface in degrees north or south of the equator. Latitude values range from 90 degrees north (north Pole) to 90 degrees south (south pole) with the equator being 0 degrees latitude. It seems you are talking about altitude (distance above the earth's surface) rather than latitude. Your post makes more sense to me in that context.

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I seen that

CraigW wrote:
KenSny wrote:
CraigW wrote:

https://www.garmin.com/en-GB/blog/the-garmin-drive-sat-navs-...

Garmin states the entire Drive series of devices have access to Galileo so to me, either 1) Garmin has repeatedly stated this while the plain Drive (not Assist/Smart/Luxe) models, in fact, do not have the feature meaning Garmin needs to revise these pages to correct the misstatements; or 2) there's some specific issue with your device that Garmin needs to resolve either through a software update or a replacement if yours is still under warranty.

I think you are assuming too much. If the article is taken at face value (published Jan 2019) about NEW Drive units and some of us have older (1 or 2 years ago), then who knows what is going to happen.

But then there's this from May 6, 2019:

https://www8.garmin.com/support/download_details.jsp?id=1028...

Drive and DriveSmart 51 software version 6.10
as of May 6, 2019

...Changes made from version 4.40 to 6.00:

DriveSmart 51 Only - Added support in the for the new Garmin BC 40 Wireless Backup Camera.

Enabled Galileo satellite support.

Improved routing calculations.

Improved the reliability of connections to Bluetooth devices.

Fixed an issue that caused some spoken words to be mispronounced.

Fixed an issue that could cause incorrect route calculations when
using maps of Southeast Asia.

Improved software stability...

Garmin's announcements are confusing me. It would be VERY interesting if anyone is getting the Galileo updates on ANY plain DRIVE unit. By that I mean a NON Drivexxxx. At this point I have my doubts, it's not the first time information from Garmin has been misleading.

FYI: 1 of my Drive 51 was purchased new in the Fall of 2017 and the other in Oct 2018.

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Odds are...

KenSny wrote:

Garmin's announcements are confusing me. It would be VERY interesting if anyone is getting the Galileo updates on ANY plain DRIVE unit. By that I mean a NON Drivexxxx. At this point I have my doubts, it's not the first time information from Garmin has been misleading.

FYI: 1 of my Drive 51 was purchased new in the Fall of 2017 and the other in Oct 2018.

Odds are in your favor right now given your two results. If ladybug agrees, then I think it's 100% case closed unless a future update comes along assuming the hardware needed in a Drive 51 is even there.

Yes. And since version 6.00

Yes. And since version 6.00 was the update where I first read of support and it did not appear I did not hold out any hope for 6.10.

I doubt the hardware is there on the plain Drive units.

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drivesmart 51

KenSny wrote:

Yes. And since version 6.00 was the update where I first read of support and it did not appear I did not hold out any hope for 6.10.

I doubt the hardware is there on the plain Drive units.

If drive and drivesmart 51 have a complete different hardware then it should have different software the only addition to smart is i think bluetooth and wifi which is another hardware but when it comes to GPS chipset it should be the same throughout the series i think. but i am still waiting for their engineer responds.

I wonder if drivesmart 51 has Galileo since both have the same software update.

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