Well 2019.3 must be coming
Fri, 07/06/2018 - 10:14pm
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   13 years
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Somebody has to start as to when 2019.3 will be released!
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13 years
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Somebody has to start as to when 2019.3 will be released!
Still waiting. Maybe Page 6
Still waiting. Maybe Page 6 will be the charm.
Frank DriveSmart66 37.322760, -79.511267
Does anyone know (or care to guess)
Does anyone know (or care to guess) how much it costs Garmin each time they come out with a quarterly map update? In other words - how much could Garmin save if they decided to cut back one or two map updates each year?
Politicians and Diapers must be changed often for the exact same reason...
cost
I suspect it's not that much they get their maps from another source just a mater of loading it their servers.
They probably have a contract for X number of updates so that is a fixed cost.
garry
Map update cost.
I am sure Garmin does not publish its arrangement with Here or how much they have to pay Here for map data. My guess is they have to pay Here a fee for each copy that is sold or downloaded. Then on top of that, you can add the cost of manipulating the Here map data and merging it with data from other sources into Garmin's proprietary formats (.img, .jcv, .sid, etc.). Then add the cost of the infrastructure and bandwidth required for the huge volumes of data that will be downloaded.
Only Garmin knows the true cost of a map update, but my guess is that it is significant. It makes me wonder how the "lifetime map update" model Garmin has adopted can be sustainable with the declining sales of new devices.
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Jack too
Thought it might have dropped.... But it was a Samantha Update!!!
And if using Garmin Express, if you change your device's active voice to Jack, then re-run GE, you'll get a Jack update to match Sam's.
It seems that updating POI data would be far more time-consuming
I am sure Garmin does not publish its arrangement with Here or how much they have to pay Here for map data. My guess is they have to pay Here a fee for each copy that is sold or downloaded. Then on top of that, you can add the cost of manipulating the Here map data and merging it with data from other sources into Garmin's proprietary formats (.img, .jcv, .sid, etc.). Then add the cost of the infrastructure and bandwidth required for the huge volumes of data that will be downloaded.
Only Garmin knows the true cost of a map update, but my guess is that it is significant. It makes me wonder how the "lifetime map update" model Garmin has adopted can be sustainable with the declining sales of new devices.
I think the cost of each map update is significant also.
It seems to me that updating POI data (restaurants, stores, shops, etc.) would be far more time-consuming compared to updating streets, roads, highways and Interstates - because businesses are added/changed far more often than roads. Personally I don't see how they [Here] does it.
Politicians and Diapers must be changed often for the exact same reason...
POIs are basically stored in
POIs are basically stored in a Database. There's probably a department assigned to maintain the data base. When Garmin gets an update on the map, one click attaches the database to the map data and Garmin makes the update for download to users.
I'd bet that the POI database is a fair chunk of the map download we get.
Frank DriveSmart66 37.322760, -79.511267
Well?
Not Yet?
With things the way they are...
...it wouldn't surprise me at all if Garmin goes to two updates a year. It seems that Garmin has been slowly extending the updates out. I think we got the first update this year in January and the last one was in June. It is starting to make sense that they may be moving to a January-June update schedule. I guess we will find out shortly if my thinking is correct. Personally, I like the three times a year schedule, but I guess I could live (if I have to) with two updates a year. The only issue is that in the area where I live, subdivisions and road changes are happening on a monthly basis. A new housing development here, a new interchange there, a new rotary (or roundabout, depending on where you are from), somewhere else. Constant changes.
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I'LL be watch the NLCS when this thing eventually gets released.
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With things the way they are...
...it wouldn't surprise me at all if Garmin goes to two updates a year. It seems that Garmin has been slowly extending the updates out. I think we got the first update this year in January and the last one was in June. It is starting to make sense that they may be moving to a January-June update schedule. I guess we will find out shortly if my thinking is correct. Personally, I like the three times a year schedule, but I guess I could live (if I have to) with two updates a year. The only issue is that in the area where I live, subdivisions and road changes are happening on a monthly basis. A new housing development here, a new interchange there, a new rotary (or roundabout, depending on where you are from), somewhere else. Constant changes.
Seems like that's the probable direction we are headed for ….. While there are constant changes, the impact for the user community in general is minimal …..
Jan and Jun seems the most practical …… I wouldn't mind that actually....
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lost business
due to cell phone gps and car gps and there improvement's Garmin is losing a lot of business, they even have wrist bands giving directions how far you walked, I don't even see garmin in the gps business in a few years unless the make some drastic changes like telling you when you need to stop for gas ,what's the weather like on the road your traveling on or something of that nature then again it seems all types of electronic devices are changing so fast you cant keep up with them. cars that park themselves TV's you talk to see what you want! the times they are changing
I rarely see a portable GPS in a vehicle nowadays.
due to cell phone gps and car gps and there improvement's Garmin is losing a lot of business, they even have wrist bands giving directions how far you walked, I don't even see garmin in the gps business in a few years unless the make some drastic changes like telling you when you need to stop for gas ,what's the weather like on the road your traveling on or something of that nature then again it seems all types of electronic devices are changing so fast you cant keep up with them. cars that park themselves TV's you talk to see what you want! the times they are changing
When you go into stores like Best Buy, Fry's Electronics, etc. the GPS section for vehicles is much reduced from what it used to be, and the device offerings keep dwindling. I rarely see a portable GPS in a vehicle nowadays. They will eventually go the route of the telephone booth.
Politicians and Diapers must be changed often for the exact same reason...
I agree
due to cell phone gps and car gps and there improvement's Garmin is losing a lot of business, they even have wrist bands giving directions how far you walked, I don't even see garmin in the gps business in a few years unless the make some drastic changes like telling you when you need to stop for gas ,what's the weather like on the road your traveling on or something of that nature then again it seems all types of electronic devices are changing so fast you cant keep up with them. cars that park themselves TV's you talk to see what you want! the times they are changing
When you go into stores like Best Buy, Fry's Electronics, etc. the GPS section for vehicles is much reduced from what it used to be, and the device offerings keep dwindling. I rarely see a portable GPS in a vehicle nowadays. They will eventually go the route of the telephone booth.
The only time we will use my Nuvi is for a back up to our car navigation. I like to put in a route when we go on road trips. Now that I can put them in to my car navigation I will only use the Nuvi for backup and to check if I need to change my route while on the road. It is better than my car navigation but now that we are used to the car we never use the Nuvi GPS unless we rent a car. I use Google Maps a lot to search for stops we want to make. Car Navigation and Google Maps is probable going to win out in the long run. I hope when we get another new car the navigation is better by then.
Mary, Nuvi 2450, Garmin Viago, Honda Navigation, Nuvi 750 (gave to son)
The only problem is - it takes some people longer to realize it
due to cell phone gps and car gps and there improvement's Garmin is losing a lot of business, they even have wrist bands giving directions how far you walked, I don't even see garmin in the gps business in a few years unless the make some drastic changes like telling you when you need to stop for gas ,what's the weather like on the road your traveling on or something of that nature then again it seems all types of electronic devices are changing so fast you cant keep up with them. cars that park themselves TV's you talk to see what you want! the times they are changing
When you go into stores like Best Buy, Fry's Electronics, etc. the GPS section for vehicles is much reduced from what it used to be, and the device offerings keep dwindling. I rarely see a portable GPS in a vehicle nowadays. They will eventually go the route of the telephone booth.
The only time we will use my Nuvi is for a back up to our car navigation. I like to put in a route when we go on road trips. Now that I can put them in to my car navigation I will only use the Nuvi for backup and to check if I need to change my route while on the road. It is better than my car navigation but now that we are used to the car we never use the Nuvi GPS unless we rent a car. I use Google Maps a lot to search for stops we want to make. Car Navigation and Google Maps is probable going to win out in the long run. I hope when we get another new car the navigation is better by then.
Mary,
I think how you use your Nuvi GPS is very common for people that once previously used only a portable GPS device, but now own newer vehicles with in-car navigation. They find that they really like the in-car navigation system. I personally cannot imagine owning a late model vehicle without an in-car navigation system.
Using a portable GPS device in your vehicle is kinda like still using a rotary-dial telephone, a corded keyboard, a black & white computer monitor, a phone book, a phone booth...or all those other things that people really do not ever want to see or use anymore. The only problem is - it takes some people much longer to realize it...
Politicians and Diapers must be changed often for the exact same reason...
Well said
due to cell phone gps and car gps and there improvement's Garmin is losing a lot of business, they even have wrist bands giving directions how far you walked, I don't even see garmin in the gps business in a few years unless the make some drastic changes like telling you when you need to stop for gas ,what's the weather like on the road your traveling on or something of that nature then again it seems all types of electronic devices are changing so fast you cant keep up with them. cars that park themselves TV's you talk to see what you want! the times they are changing
When you go into stores like Best Buy, Fry's Electronics, etc. the GPS section for vehicles is much reduced from what it used to be, and the device offerings keep dwindling. I rarely see a portable GPS in a vehicle nowadays. They will eventually go the route of the telephone booth.
The only time we will use my Nuvi is for a back up to our car navigation. I like to put in a route when we go on road trips. Now that I can put them in to my car navigation I will only use the Nuvi for backup and to check if I need to change my route while on the road. It is better than my car navigation but now that we are used to the car we never use the Nuvi GPS unless we rent a car. I use Google Maps a lot to search for stops we want to make. Car Navigation and Google Maps is probable going to win out in the long run. I hope when we get another new car the navigation is better by then.
Mary,
I think how you use your Nuvi GPS is very common for people that once previously used only a portable GPS device, but now own newer vehicles with in-car navigation. They find that they really like the in-car navigation system. I personally cannot imagine owning a late model vehicle without an in-car navigation system.
Using a portable GPS device in your vehicle is kinda like still using a rotary-dial telephone, a corded keyboard, a black & white computer monitor, a phone book, a phone booth...or all those other things that people really do not ever want to see or use anymore. The only problem is - it takes some people much longer to realize it...
You stated it great.
Mary, Nuvi 2450, Garmin Viago, Honda Navigation, Nuvi 750 (gave to son)
Portable GPS
If you live in an area with constant cell coverage then you may not need a portable GPS. If you have in car GPS, you might not need one either. But, if you travel to some of the areas around the US where there is no cell coverage or sporadic coverage then I feel having a portable GPS is a must. Many of the places I travel have limited or no cell coverage.
My car GPS map is 8 years old. My Garmin map is as current as possible and awaiting the newest update.
I'm surprised this thread is
WHEN
Don't know why I care I'm on a metered connection for the next few months so I have a couple of months before I can update.
My new guess is Jan 2019.
garry
january ?
January hmm I think your probably right, imagine a 2020-1 release in the year 2020 , and after only 2 releases a year what's next one a year! Garmin has to do something to stay alive or go under the competition is at its gates.
Built-in car nav systems suck and too expensive to update
The only time we will use my Nuvi is for a back up to our car navigation. I like to put in a route when we go on road trips. Now that I can put them in to my car navigation I will only use the Nuvi for backup and to check if I need to change my route while on the road. It is better than my car navigation but now that we are used to the car we never use the Nuvi GPS unless we rent a car. I use Google Maps a lot to search for stops we want to make. Car Navigation and Google Maps is probable going to win out in the long run. I hope when we get another new car the navigation is better by then.
Mary,
I think how you use your Nuvi GPS is very common for people that once previously used only a portable GPS device, but now own newer vehicles with in-car navigation. They find that they really like the in-car navigation system. I personally cannot imagine owning a late model vehicle without an in-car navigation system.
Using a portable GPS device in your vehicle is kinda like still using a rotary-dial telephone, a corded keyboard, a black & white computer monitor, a phone book, a phone booth...or all those other things that people really do not ever want to see or use anymore. The only problem is - it takes some people much longer to realize it...
You stated it great.
Except so many, if not most car nav systems are so deficient you need a good portable device. $200 or so to update evey year is nuts and a rip-off.
So when the next Garmin updates finally arrive I have lifetime maps & traffic AND can install my own POIs. No contest.
Well?
Is it ready yet?
When you are dead, you don’t know that you are dead. It is only difficult for the others. It is the same when you are stupid.
nope
Is it ready yet?
Need 10 pages before Jan 2019
garry
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Long Thread
Yup
POIs are basically stored in a Database. There's probably a department assigned to maintain the data base. When Garmin gets an update on the map, one click attaches the database to the map data and Garmin makes the update for download to users.
I'd bet that the POI database is a fair chunk of the map download we get.
We seem to overlook all other data besides the maps. There is quite a bit of data in a "map" besides the mapping. All those company names, categories, addresses, utilities, etc.
When you are dead, you don’t know that you are dead. It is only difficult for the others. It is the same when you are stupid.
Great Question
any idea when the new basecamp will be released
BC for MacOS hasn't been updated in a very long time.
When you are dead, you don’t know that you are dead. It is only difficult for the others. It is the same when you are stupid.
I just
hope that 2019.3 comes out this week before Saturday. Would be nice for my annual 3,000 mile drive south. Hoping the new map will have a new toll showing for me.
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Not Yet, Eh??
Not Yet, Eh??
A 2689LMT in both our cars that we love...
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I haven't updated my 350 in a wile(2018) and I want to bad waiting for the new update Uggg...
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Knowing...
my luck Garmin will release the update the day after I finish the current trip.
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to page 7 yet ?
Will it be worth the wait? I
Will it be worth the wait? I kinda doubt it!
Politicians and Diapers must be changed often for the exact same reason...
Still waiting....
Still waiting....
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Why?
Won't be up to date for my area.
Still no update
Back from my road trip and still no update.
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page 7
It won't be long now.
Page 7 or update whichever comes first.
garry
This Week?
Would be great.
Gonna happen
But when ?
Looooooooooooooooong wait this time
It's been a long wait this time for sure. May not happen until page 10.
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7 yet??? (Now that we have
7 yet??? (Now that we have GE updated!)
A 2689LMT in both our cars that we love...
In week 17.3
If.. Garmin updates 3 times a year.. (52/3 = 17.3) we will need to wait a couple more weeks. Currently we seem to be in week 15.. based on how long this thread is running.
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Time for
Time for page 7
garry
are we there yet?
are we there yet?
It'll be awhile
It'll be awhile.
Politicians and Diapers must be changed often for the exact same reason...
You're probably right ...
It'll be awhile.
... it's looking more and more like the map updates will be fewer and far between. Sign of the times I suppose.
Weekend
bump as we push forward to page 7.
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Page 7 Yet?
Page 7 Yet?
A 2689LMT in both our cars that we love...
One more!
One more!
Frank DriveSmart66 37.322760, -79.511267