Small engines, like chain saws, weed eaters, and my Chrysler minivan all run better on 100 percent gas, with no ethanol. Anybody working on a POI file like that? Weigels is a local brand in the Knoxville TN area, and Most have one octane that is Ethanol free, for example.
There is also this link: http://pure-gas.org/index.jsp
Ethanol is junk and should be stopped...get rid of that mess. It is terrible in small engines and drives up grocery prices
Good POI file to have. I knew about the station near me but this helps locate others in the area.
gas is gas and didn't buy into the top tier thing.
When Costco became top tier, I said ok, now at least even though I don't believe it, I can get it at a cheap price. Then Citgo too became top tier.
One day about 2 yrs. ago I was talking to a gas station owner (Exxon) and I asked him his opinion. He stated there is a difference.
I said then how come a truck say Eye Land Transport LLC, can pull into your station, and the Quick E Mart next door, and fill both of you up?
He pointed out it may be the same transport co., but it is not the same truck on the same day. Stated that at the terminal, various branded gasolines get their shots of additives, so that Exxon, BP, Mobil, Costco, they are not the same as Wawa. Wawa is the same as US Gas and Quick E Mart, as they are unbranded. He pointed out that Sunoco is different and has their own refinery. So I was sold on top tier ever since.
I know this may not help in avoiding ethanol, but I thought I'd chime in what I have learned recently..
Great topic. We have at least 2 sources in local stations.
This wont help with automobiles, but I use Trufuel in my chain saw, leaf blower, and weed eater because I don't use them a lot and I am a slacker when it comes to storage protocol.
They sit all winter and sometimes much longer and start right up. Much cheaper than having a shop overhaul the carburetor, is my logic.
Thanks for the info!
but had no idea what it was until I bought a new Hyundai Azera last year. Upon checking the owners manual, it stated that only top tier gas should be used in the vehicle. If you didn't use top tier, you would have to have Hyundai add an additive once a year to keep the engine clean. So, I did a quick check on what brands were considered top tier. Here they are:
Amoco (USA, Canada)
ARCO (USA, Canada, Mexico)
Beacon (USA, Canada)
BP (USA, Canada)
Breakaway (USA, Canada)
Break Time (USA)
Chevron (USA, Canada, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Panama)
CITGO (USA, Canada)
Co-op Diesel (Canada - select locations only)
Costco Wholesale (USA, Canada, Mexico)
Costco Wholesale - Diesel (USA, Canada - select locations only)
CountryMark PLUS (USA)
Diamond Shamrock (USA, Canada)
Express Mart (USA - Wisconsin)
Fast Fuel (USA)
Fast Stop - Diesel (USA - select locations only)
Fast Stop Express - Diesel (USA - select locations only)
HFN - Hawaii Fueling Network (USA)
Holiday (USA, Canada)
Irving Oil (USA, Canada)
Kirkland Signature Gasoline (USA, Canada, Mexico)
Kirkland Signature - Diesel (USA, Canada - select locations only)
Kwik Star (USA, Canada)
Kwik Trip (USA, Canada)
Kwik Trip Express (USA, Canada)
Metro Petro (USA)
Mobil (USA, Canada)
Ohana Fuels (USA)
Phillips 66 (USA)
PUMA (El Salvador, Guatemala, Panama, Puerto Rico)
Ranger (USA, Canada)
Ranger Mustang (USA, Canada)
Ranger Stallion (USA, Canada)
Ranger Thoroughbred (USA, Canada)
Shamrock (USA, Canada)
Shell (USA, Canada, Puerto Rico)
Sinclair (USA, Canada)
Sunoco (USA, Canada)
SuperAmerica (USA, Canada)
SuperFuels (USA, Canada)
Texaco (USA, Canada, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Panama)
Tri-Par Qwik Stop (USA)
Valero (USA, Canada)
Win Win (USA)
And, this is the reason why, according to the top tier website:
"The intention of the TOP TIER™ Detergent Gasoline standards is to create a winning situation for gasoline retailers, auto manufacturers and drivers. Currently, many gasoline retailers provide fuels with lower-quality additive packages that can build up deposits on fuel injectors and on intake valves. Others can build up deposits in combustion chambers and may lead to intake valve sticking. These lower levels of additives can have negative impacts on engine performance and vehicle responsiveness." Just in case anyone wanted to know!
While in the US the starting point for the gasoline at almost any pump is a standardized base shipped in a commodity product pipeline, the location where it is tapped off the product pipeline has individualized storage for different brands, and they add the rest of the additive package (and, sadly, the ethanol--which does not travel by the petroleum product pipeline--as it would ruin the pipe) before trucking it to stations.
The result is not the same everywhere and everytime for even the same brand. In the 1960s, watching TV in Ohio, I saw advertising in which Mobil, I think it was, bragged about customizing their gasoline to local conditions in each state. I expressed favor, and my father, who was a Sohio employee (a very strong refiner and retailer in Ohio, but confined there by the terms of the Standard Oil breakup) pointed out that Sohio divided the small state of Ohio into several local regions, and adjusted their additive package many times a year to best suit local needs at current weather conditions.
Whether the additive package differences will matter to you personally in a way you'll notice is not certain, but I am very sure that not all gasoline is the same.
One thing that is becoming more and more untrue, is the bit about the intake valves, since on a direct injected motor, fuel does not come in contact with the intake valves. 2/3 of our cars have direct injection at home, only the 2006 Lexus has port fuel injection...still I seek out "cheap" top tier which is Costco and Conoco where I live....Citgo seems to be gone...
Good job with the foresight to think of this poi file. thanks a bunch!
Good info. It seems that all gasoline is now Top Tier. Is there any that is not? Beside racing fuels.
Two common to southeast Pennsylvania are Sheetz and Speedway.
It should also be noted, that Top Tier gas does contain ethanol. From the Top Tier website (see https://www.toptiergas.com/deposit-control/), I quote (in part)
"22.214.171.124 Base Fuel. The base fuel shall conform to ASTM D 4814 and shall contain commercial fuel grade ethanol conforming to ASTM D 4806."
"Contain nominally 10.0% ± 1% by volume ethanol as measured by ASTM D 4815 or D 5845."
Top Tier gasoline in general has more detergents (typically twice the the EPA mandates)then non-top tier blends. Shell regular has twice the detergents and their premium has 5 times the detergents required. Exxon is pretty uniform with their detergent package across their grades and don't require you to buy premium to get the most detergents as Shell does.
Beware, right now ethanol blends in gasoline are typically 10%. Unfortunately 15% may be coming. There is talk of making it optional (pay more for 10%), it is unknown at this point. Yes, with 15% we will take another hit with mpg and is horrible on engines not designed for it. uggg
I find all these so called ethanol free gas stations around me sell racing fuel. No ethanol free gas available to the public. Racing fuel is leaded.
In other thoughts, I wish all this ethanol was directed to making bourbon and whiskey.
I do wonder as I think lately I've done nothing with the snowblower--used to use Stabil.
I have a garage queen, and then I saw YouTubes saying gas goes bad blah blah blah and I got kind of worried.
Checking my app on my android, the last time I got gas was December 2017, and here it was late June. Technically, the gas is too old.
Well, at any rate, I did take a couple of trips and essentially did 3 fill-up, nothing seems to be wrong. So I get that if you had a 1933 car that sat in a garage all this time, the fuel system would turn into something else, but I even wonder about 1 year....if anything bad really happens or Stabil is invented by, well, Stabil lol
Well, at any rate, I did take a couple of trips and essentially did 3 fill-ups, nothing seems to be wrong. So I get that if you had a 1933 car that sat in a garage all this time, the fuel system would turn into something else, but I even wonder about 1 year....if anything bad really happens or Stabil is invented by, well, Stabil lol
In my experience, it doesn't take years for varnish to build up in a carb or other places in a gas line. 6 months is plenty of time. One of these winters I will not forget to do the Stabil thing. I keep putting the Stabil bottle in plain view and my wife keeps putting something in front of it.
I never had a problem ethanol gas, both cars I have are fuel injected. I drive them regularly I don't need to worry about stale gas. Besides there are no gas stations in my area that have ethanol free gas.
However, owning several engines like riding mower, generator, power washer, etc, I have always used Stabil when storing my equipment. Ethanol gas is poison on carburetors that get gummed up and may be costly to replace. I've only used the regular Stabil up until now. I just ordered from Amazon Stabil 360 Performance that "prevents ethanol damage and clean fuel systems". I paid $ 11.91 for 32 oz for 160 gallon mixture.
I just received the bottle from Amazon, it indicates Stabilizes fuel for 1 year. While on Amazon site I found a product that had outstanding reviews and I'm now sorry to have made the Stabil purchase. The product is STAR TRON concentrated 8-oz Fuel Additive, for 128 gallons for $7.94 and lasts up to 2 years.
The next time I purchase, I will buy the Star Tron based the reviews it received. I don't know the prices of pure gas as opposed the ethanol blend so I would think adding the additive would be cheaper than pure gas.
Those who own lawn power equipment I would suggest you use additives when using ethanol gas and save yourself aggravation and expense when the carburetors will need replacing.
Link For Star Tron:
Link For Stabil:
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