Map Update 2018.20 Ready To Download

Thanks for the info, I'm not online much anymore.

Garmin Express was introduced as replacement to WebUpdater (device software) and MapUpdater (maps). MapUpddater was meant to be discontinued at all. But as with many software, there were serious problems with Express. It was unable to update maps on some devices for example.

Because of this problems Garmin maintained MapUpdater as emergency measure when Express didn't work. But as they improved Express functionality they are not prone to maintain MapUpdatet any longer.

As to enabling download of never maps through MapUpdater you have to download new version that was able to recognize and install newest map update.

So far, for long time i can't see anyone to publish link to newest MapUpdater, so it makes me think, that Garmin finally killed this software.

I don't remember ever using Mapinstall. What I always did was downloaded the new Garmin maps with MapUpdater directly to MapSource (the predecessor of Basecamp) on my computer, but first I had to hook up my 276C so MapUpdater recognized it. Then I would use the map selection tool on MapSource to transfer the maps I wanted - as many as could fit on my Garmin 512Mg memory card - to my 276C.

That's what the Garmin man told me a couple of days ago, MapUpdater will no longer be maintained - but then Garmin guys have been known to tell little fibs, like two years ago when they told me I could no longer update the (lifetime) maps on my 276C because the newest maps were incompatible with it and couldn't work on it.

I agree - I think MapUpdater is history.

I downloaded Garmin Express and used it to load map 2018.20, but my device is still showing the previous map along with 2018.20. (See below)

It appears Garmin has finally removed the demons from GE. I saw where you can choose to disable GE from running in the background of your computer, which was nice to see because so many people complained that GE constantly ran in the background needlessly using resources...however maybe the disable feature has been part of GE for awhile now - dunno.

The only thing that confuses me is that I now have [previously downloaded] 2018-10 Lower U.S. as well as 2018.20 Southern U.S. and Mexico loaded on my old nuvi 255 device. I saw no indication where I could choose to remove the old 2018.10 map nor choose just the Lower U.S. (without Mexico). So, I'm a bit confused.

I ran into a problem. I couldn't remember where I put the Garmin cable so I used the the type that plugs in to the powered mount. Well....the computer didn't see it through the powered mount. I finally found a cable that plugs directly into the unit and I am now updating.

Thanks to drewjb7 for letting us know that your previous report was inaccurate. That said, I think the process may still work for werewolf since he actually has a lifetime map update subscription on his 276c. The key will be if he can retrieve and apply the unlock code for his 276 after he has the map on his computer.

In terms of MapInstall vs the map selection tool in Mapsource, I think they are pretty much the same thing. Maybe our friend sussamb can clarify this for us.

Tried 3 times, just hangs... I'll wait a while and try again.

Downloaded the GE update and had to "re-register" each of my 5 GPS units when updating to 2018.20, didn't see any as familiar.

Other than that no problems with the 2018.20 updates.

Thanks! Downloaded in about 10 minutes, then another 30 to install.

Had to add a SD card, will it make the GPS any slower?

Took about 30 minutes, no glitches, problems, or stalls.

Got it. Thanks

Dang it! I'm supposed to already have done this and keep forgetting. We leave on a trip soon...

It doesn't make any noticeable difference on my 3597.

On my 8 year old 255W

Have to install maps on a SD card in the 855, speed makes no difference, maybe if you flew at MACH 2.Car topping at maybe 90Mph.

3790 has European map on SD card, no difference.

Just downloaded. No issues.

2018.20 was not offered with MapUpdater, at least as of yesterday. With a Win XP machine, up dating the maps onto a 265 WT that already had 2018.10 also presented an error (I forget the exact message) that led me on a wild goose chase. But I finally got 2018.20 installed with GE.

Are you by chance using a PC running Windows XP?

Thanks for the post on Garmin not cleaning their room. Has anyone asked Garmin to have junior fix their Garmin Express program to clean up when done?

It appears that Garmin has now re-enabled their servers for MapUpdater on CN NA 2018.20. Hopefully this will be GOOD NEWS for Werewolf

First, the downloads succeed; so the problem is "solved". Still others should know about this.

It appears that the size of the maps (by region) may have expanded beyond the 2GB limit of the Nuvi 650. The problem is that the Garmin software (Garmin Express) did not provide any informative information and simply crashed as if there was a software bug. Makes it very hard to figure out what was wrong.

After a couple hours of getting nowhere, I tried the obsolete Garmin Map Updater. That worked a bit better, it gave me the option to select a (smaller) region. (For some reason, when I attempted to select that option in Garmin Express, the drop-down list would not give me any region to select.)

Previously, I was able to get Canada and the US installed between both the Nuvi and SD card. Now I can only get the lower 48 states installed.

Better then nothing, but it would be nice if the Garmin software would be more informative concerning whether you are exceeding the map size limit.

Thanks for the heads-up!

I'm glad Garmin finally enabled MapUpdater to load the 2018.20 map.

This time it took almost two weeks after the new map came out instead of the typical 2-3 days.

is that Garmin did not intend to open up 2018.20 to MapUpdater, but after numerous complaints on their support line from customers with XP and older devices ... they gave in.

Sometmes the "squeaky wheel method" works. That is why I suggested that the folks who want the large JCV file call (not email) and complain on EVERY map update.

...and that Garmin succeeded in having some true blue GarminMapUpdater folks install and used Garmin Express.

...when people can get it working, one way or the other!

I hate to add to the chaos, but I wish that Garmin would add Linux support, just as they phased in MacOS/OS X support a few years ago.

Nice to know it has arrived. Thanks.

thread yet?

Update when fine on an 2598 and to a Windows 10 PC.

Except for a few MS-Windows only programs, I am essentially all LINUX (Ubuntu 16.04). Garmin LINUX support, if done, should also include the POI loader.

With MacOS/OS X being based on FreeBSD, I would think that Garmin could port it and make the needed modification without a huge effort.

Oh man...and I just gave in and actually ordered that refurbed Garmin 3597 from GPS Store yesterday that you fellers have been telling me about, largely because I thought I wouldn't be able to update the maps on my 276C anymore! Maybe they haven't sent it yet and I can call them and cancel, or not accept the package when it arrives.

It has always been a struggle to download new maps from those bums at Garmin ever since they locked up their maps. Originally there was no locking system and it always went smoothly, but that was years ago.

but I would think about keeping the 3597, because I suspect this is not the last time you will have issues with the 276C map update. Having the 3597 will give you another option for getting the map to the computer. If I were you I would use the 3597 for road navigation and the 276C for off-road activities.

G'day LL. Seeing you're only paying around 230 bux for the 3597 i'd take alandb's good advice and keep it for daily use. You won't be able get fuel for that powerkero-fired GPSMAP276C too much longer anyway [lol, maybe convert it to Jet-A avtur?] but for offroad and marine use it's still viable. Indeed it's salable and good ones bring surprising prices, check ebay. It might even recoup all or most of your outlay for the 3597 especially if you fix the dodgy buttons. Replacements pads are available, e.g.: http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Rubber-button-Garmin-GPSMAP-276C.... I've got a US-purchased 3597LMTHD, i use it in AU even tho' my daily drive car has a Denso in-dash nav unit because it's vastly superior to the Denso in every possible way. Highly recommend it. The modern units have features for on-road use undreamed of when the 276C and it's ilk were made. I'll bet you all that beer you owe me that if you try the 3597 you won't want to return it.

Updated and working well

The refurb 3597 was only $180 US, Foo. Maybe that translates to 230 of your Australopithecine bux i don't know. Plus i ordered a friction mount for an additional $16 US. Free postage except to Australia. Thanks for the link to the new button pad. Here are instructions for taking it apart and replacing the second internal battery, and it probably can use that too.

http://www.moto-farkle.com/blog/2009/6/21/fixing-a-slow-garm...

Maybe you don't, but I do know Kilroy: It does, at least approximately = AU$230. I only deal in real money, i.e. polymer notes, not the linen paper stuff you gangsta breed light your 50¢ ce-gars with.

AFAIK only CA [greenies] and MN [Gopher State, nuff said] don't allow windscreen mounts so that's quite over 20 smackers in real dosh down the anticlockwise gurgler for an ex-NY AZ resident banned from the other 3 aforementioned States, also likely the remaining 46.

Thanks. I'll gladly forget to refer to that if one of those ancient devices passes my way. BTW, don't use a flat-tip screwdriver, use a guitar plectrum or old credit card/gift card to separate the case if you don't have a proper pry tool. That guy prob left his mark but didn't mention it in the tut. You're welcome, add it to the beer tab.

It's possible and even probable given your experience. With or without reading the instructions, there will be a learning or adjustment curve. What I've read here is that many folks upgrading from a nuvi 6xx to 2xxx series device to a 3597 have had to ask about the newer or moved-location features of the 3597 that were not what they had been expecting. While waiting for your delivery, you could read through this thread:

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/42345

Other tips:

-the 3597 uses MTP rather than MS mode by default. To view files, etc., you'll need MS mode.

-the 3597 comes with one English language TTS3 voice and one non-TTS voice. You can delete voices in languages you don't speak to have more free space and also can add English language voices to a total of all seven TTS3 and several more non-TTS voices in case you don't especially like Samantha. I'm a fan of Karen.

-if you have a smartphone, you may find that traffic is much better using the Garmin Smartphone Link app and pairing the phone and GPS, rather than using the HD traffic that comes with the 3597. (Here in AZ, HD traffic is only available near Greater Phoenix and Greater Tucson, while Smartphone link traffic is amazingly good as long as you have a cellular signal.)

All of them updated flawlessly, even those older units with maps on SD cards.

Thanks, Craig. I don't have a smart phone, only a stoopid phone + an Android tablet and a mobil hotspot ("jetpack"). Maybe I could pair the gps with the app on the tablet but I'd need to leave the jetpack on to get wifi reception. Good thread link too. Yes, I'll have to learn how to use it, probably even read the instructions, tho I usually save that for an absolute last resort when all else fails.

I hope the Karen voice speaks quickly and more to the point than the voices on my 276. That is one of my complaints with the thing - when I am approaching an intersection and time is critical to know which lane the exit is on, the right or the left, or which way to turn, my 276 voices take their time drawling out the instructions and leave the critical left-right instruction for last, for example: "In- 500 - feet - turn - right."

And speaking of stoopid things: my two posts above - Mod, could you please delete them. I was able to edit the 2nd one and turn it into dots but unable to edit the first one (6/1 8:26PM). How come?

Replies can be edited by the creator until your reply has been replied to. So my reply to your first one ended your ability to edit it. No one had replied to your 2nd when your dotted it.

The exception to forum messages is the original post in a thread which can always be edited by its creator.

As you've found, posted messages can't be deleted, only edited to next-to-nothing...until someone else has replied to it and froze it.

Of course, our two moderators on the site can delete or edit anyone's message but it's rarely done without a good reason.

Thanks for explaining CraigW.
If you do have something you want removed after the window for altering the post has past you can also email me.

~Angela

Thanks for deleting my stoopid messages. The reason I wanted them deleted was because I didn't want to hurt the feelings of the Australian feller who is very sensitive and cries easily, and I might actually be needing his services to tell me how to do anything with GPS's that I don't know how to do, which will probably seriously start tomorrow when the 3797 is scheduled to arrive.

What I really need is someone who can edit and delete stuff I've said and done in the past in real life. If no one "else has replied to it and froze" things I said and did in, say 1973, can I just edit it or delete myself?

Oh yes, once Garmin put the 2018.2 on their MapUpdater it installed with out a hitch on to my computer, after hooking up my 276C, and then I moved the appropriate maps to the GPS via MapSource, same as always. So, when I wasted all that time with Garmin tech support on the phone last week, first with the friendly tech, and then with their lord high "muckety muck" - the first tech's own words - they - Muckety that is - once again told me a fib when he said I need to buy a new GPS because they will no longer put the new maps on MapUpdater, same as the high muckety muck told me ayear or two ago when he said the same thing, only the reason I was given then was it was not possible for the new maps - 2016 or 2017 or whatever it was - to work on my old 276C because they were just not compatible - and again that was not the regular tech who told me that but the boss tech, the muckety muck.

Perhaps I should have switched to Tom Tom or just used HERE or something on my Android tablet instead of continuing with nasty Garmin, but it is just that I have been with Garmin for so long, since Model 2, way before maps, way before selective scrambling was turned off, back when hardly anyone knew what GPS meant. One question I have about switching is would I be able to move all my waypoints over to the new system? I'm sure the Australopithecine feller, Foo, knows how to do it, another reason I have to try to force myself to be nice to him yuk yuk.

Uh oh...another post that will be a future candidate for a deletion request!

@werewolf ... I am glad you were able to get your map updated on the old 276C. I was pretty sure you would be able to do that if you could just get the map installed to the computer first. I suspect Garmin did intend to never put 2018.20 on MapUpdater, but probably gave in after getting complaints. I don't blame you for being upset with their tech support for being unwilling to help you with something that was clearly solvable.

As far as transferring your waypoints over to the 3597, there is a FAQ here on POI Factory about moving waypoints from one device to another. That said, since your old 276C doesn't have a mass storage mode most of those methods won't work. Your best approach would be to use Mapsource ... save your waypoints from the 276C in Mapsource, then hook up the 3597 and send the waypoints from Mapsource to the 3597. They will show up in the 3597 under "Saved" on the Where To menu. (You could also use the newer BaseCamp program for this, but I suggested Mapsource since you are familiar with it.)

While switching to TomTom or a smartphone app would be an option for you, no solution is perfect. If you look through forums, you will find plenty of complaints about TomTom also. So I think you probably made the right choice to stick with Garmin since you are familiar with their products and software.

Damn that muckety muck...especially that high muckety muck!

For those with older devices: as I've seen above you can experience crash when updating maps. I have this problem with my 770. My solution is to install maps with option "Computer only" and than transfer required map to device with MapInstall. This way you can choose what region you like and control size of map file.

This can be workaround as well when you get info that you need to put SD card into device because there is not enough storage, and than update process crashes.

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First observations of my refurbed 3597 from GPS Store: It looks like new from the outside, though the box wasn't sealed. All I've done so far is updating the software and getting the new 2018.2 maps, and it went amazingly smoothly using Garmin Express, compared to all the trouble I always have trying to update my old 276C.

One question: Do people put screen protectors on it, like I do on my Android tablets?

I better put any further questions and comments about it on the 3597 thread, which I must admit I haven't even read yet.

I've never screen-protected a GPS used in a vehicle since it's a pretty tame environment. I do keep them in cases when not in use. But I wouldn't fault or even look askew of anyone for adding one, especially if carried around or stored uncased around coins, keys, etc. I do protect my cell phone's screen given how I carry it around.

I'm glad to hear all is well with your 3597.