Forced to Windows 10

 

Well, I have had two computers - on their own - start the process of updating from Windows 7 to Windows 10. I found my home desktop just beginning the process and was able to kill it and have it revert to Win 7.

One of the computers in our Television Ministry at church actually finished the update and was asking for us to accept the Terms. We pressed "Decline" and it let us revert to Win 7.

SO - what I did was install a utility recommended by Leo Notenboom, a computer guru that I follow.

https://askleo.com/block-windows-10-wi

In this link, Leo explains how to install and use the utility.

Now Win 10 may be a great system, and I may at some time embrace it, but I want to do it on my terms. So I installed this utility that Leo recommended.

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Window 10 update and Window 10 Full installation

As I can see many people have been forced to install window 10 with out theyr consent ,now this is how to prevent window 10 installation..Click on controll panel/window update/change setting.Change the setting from Automatic install window update to Notify me BUT LET ME CHOOSE TO INSTALL WINDOW UPDATE. This way window will never download window 10 with out your consent.

If you do an update only with out a full clean of window 10 installation you have 30 DAYS to uninstall it and go back to your previous window version that you had before..

If you do a clean and full installation YOU STUCK WITH IT FOR GOOD. unless you reformat your hard drive and install window again.

A very few important things to remember when updatating to window 10 regardaless if you do a clean installation or just update.

1) some programs they may stop working.After installing window 10
2) some driver not compatible with window 10
3) If you have a video card check first if it is compatible with window 10 or you are forced to trash your video card and buy a new one.
4) Window 10 setting must be change Microsoft will spy on you, on your activity and software that you have install it on your pc.
5) your window media player out the door is gone, you must download some other program for playing your video and songs..like VCL.

Many people are not very happy with window 10. window 10 is consider a polish version of window 8.

I have window 7 Professional I am happy with it. You know how they say.
If is not broken why fixit.

Windows 10 is a wonderful OS.

I have Windows 10 on three PCs - all three are a clean install that had Windows 7 previously installed. After I installed Windows 10 on one PC and used it for a few weeks I knew I wanted it on the others. Windows 10 is a wonderful OS. It is significantly better than Windows 7 - and I liked Windows 7 a lot. I have had zero issues with Windows 10, but all mine are clean installs. That said, I have seen (and heard about) a considerable number computers (and a rather high percentage) that were 'upgraded' to Windows 10 from Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 that have had all sorts of issues, which is what scares so many people. I think the problem comes from the upgrading, not from the Windows 10 OS itself.

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Windows 10

I like Windows 10 but resent having to learn new os.....same with android updates!

configuration is annoying

flourflngr wrote:

I like Windows 10 but resent having to learn new os.....same with android updates!

I just got new computer at work, and most annoying thing is system configuration. Why every time you got to dig after option in new places? In old version there was simple control panel with all settings together. Now it's some here, some there, and some options are just hidden so you can't access it in simple way. They really seem to thing that all user need to change is desktop wallpaper.

Rt Click

grzesja wrote:

I just got new computer at work, and most annoying thing is system configuration. Why every time you got to dig after option in new places? In old version there was simple control panel with all settings together. Now it's some here, some there, and some options are just hidden so you can't access it in simple way. They really seem to thing that all user need to change is desktop wallpaper.

If you haven't found it yet, a right click of the Start icon may help to quickly get to many things you may want to access.

win 10

I installed windows 10 on 3 of my computers and my wife doesn't like it so she kept win 7 on hers , for you people that don't like the way win 10 look at start up you can always install start is back its about $3 and it starts win 10 looking like windows 7 on the desk top or there are a couple of start up programs for free to try . I have my win 10 set up to boot directly to the desk top with out having to sign in on each boot I'm the only one using my computer so there is no reason to sign each time .as far as using win 10 it seems a little faster the programs and games all seem to run fine and they are old games like bioshock and rage halflife 2 windows 10 is like buying a new car it has gadget's and buttons that confuse you for a while but once you get used to it you like it !

Windows 7 is now the archaic OS

Now that I've been using Windows 10 for awhile I view the previous OS I used (Windows 7, which I really liked a lot) as archaic. As archaic or out-of-date as Windows 95 or 98 was to Windows XP, or Windows XP was compared Windows 7.

My suggestion to those that have not moved to Windows 10 yet is - go ahead and do it. Just backup your files in case something happens. In the worse case scenario (if upgrading presents a problem), you could do a clean install (or have it done for you) and replace all your files...and your computer would be like a brand new one that came with Windows 10 installed.

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Thank You

Thanks for the links.

W10=Goodbye Privacy

Beware of your privacy if you use Windows 10. This O/S is very invasive and has too many tracking methods.

And Ewerton Point Is?

panama wrote:

Beware of your privacy if you use Windows 10. This O/S is very invasive and has too many tracking methods.

BAHHH. BAHHH. BAHHHH

Hail to the sheep!

BAHHH. BAHHH. BAHHHH?

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I don't believe consumers

I don't believe consumers have to resort to using third party tools to prevent an intrusive update.

WMC

No thanks, MS. The fact they removed Windows Media Center is the reason I refuse to upgrade. Bring it back and I'd reconsider. I use it every single day because it's a decent DVR for recording TV shows and watching videos after I added .mkv support to it.

Just use Never10,

Just use Never10, easy!
https://www.grc.com/never10.htm

Use KODI or VLC

nrbovee wrote:

No thanks, MS. The fact they removed Windows Media Center is the reason I refuse to upgrade. Bring it back and I'd reconsider. I use it every single day because it's a decent DVR for recording TV shows and watching videos after I added .mkv support to it.

https://kodi.tv/download/#devbuilds

Faster n' better n' WMC..

Besides, WMC isn't going to be updated any more.

IFF you are HELL BENT on using WMC on WIN 10, you can actually install it manually on Win 10.

There are numerous posts / instructions on the net that will walk you through the steps necessary to accomplish that task.

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A sure sign of old age is becoming stuck-in-time!

nrbovee wrote:

No thanks, MS. The fact they removed Windows Media Center is the reason I refuse to upgrade. Bring it back and I'd reconsider. I use it every single day because it's a decent DVR for recording TV shows and watching videos after I added .mkv support to it.

That's like saying you refuse to buy a newer car because the new ones no longer offer the old-fashioned hand-crank to start the engine. A sure sign of old age is becoming stuck-in-time!

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Peeve

My peeve with Windows 10 is about keyboard shortcuts. In Windows 7 I setup Ctrl+Alt+? keyboard shortcuts for various programs. Ctrl+Alt+W for Word, etc. I used C for calculator, X for Excel, etc.

With Windows 10 I can't find a way to do that unless I also have a shortcut for the program on the desktop. Ewwwwwwwww... Clutter. What a stupid thing to change.

I upgraded 2 laptops from Win 7 Pro without incident. My desktop kept failing. I finally downloaded the full .iso and did it that way without a problem. Weird. My wife's desktop is the only box left on Windows 7 and I'll get to it when I return from Alaska.

We leave for Alaska in 3 days. smile

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A $imple Request

thrak wrote:

We leave for Alaska in 3 days. smile

Please bring back an extremely large ICE IGLOO for those of us suffering some of this excessive HEAT! razz

Thank you and have a safe and enjoyable journey!

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Keyboard shortcuts are possible in Win 10

thrak wrote:

My peeve with Windows 10 is about keyboard shortcuts. In Windows 7 I setup Ctrl+Alt+? keyboard shortcuts for various programs. Ctrl+Alt+W for Word, etc. I used C for calculator, X for Excel, etc.

With Windows 10 I can't find a way to do that unless I also have a shortcut for the program on the desktop. Ewwwwwwwww... Clutter. What a stupid thing to change.

I upgraded 2 laptops from Win 7 Pro without incident. My desktop kept failing. I finally downloaded the full .iso and did it that way without a problem. Weird. My wife's desktop is the only box left on Windows 7 and I'll get to it when I return from Alaska.

We leave for Alaska in 3 days. smile

Method 2 in this article will show you how to do this:
http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/create-keyboard-shortcuts-...
I tested it by **right-clicking** Microsoft Word in the Start Menu, selecting Properties, then the Shortcut tab, putting the mouse cursor in the box at Shortcut key and pressing: CTRL, ALT, W and clicking OK. I tested it, and it worked, opening Word.

Two qualifications: You have to have Administrator privileges on this PC to set this up. You probably do, unless this is an office computer. (Just close the Administrator-privilege warning box to see.) Also you can't use a keyboard shortcut Windows 10 has already assigned, at least without undoing that assignment first; I didn't look up how to do that, but it's probably possible if needed.

Enjoy your trip. If you are taking a cruise or will otherwise be near the Pacific, or to Denali NP or north: a suggestion: pack clothing you can layer and maybe a light cap and light gloves. You probably don't need winter gear, but you might need 40-degree gear. You may not use the hat and gloves, but 40-degree ones take almost no luggage room. It can still be chilly now especially over cold Pacific water with the wind, especially if you're cruising not just the Inside Passage but the Gulf of Alaska. Layers give you more flexibility than a bulky warm jacket, and light hat and gloves will let you stay outside longer if you want. Good insect repellent is often essential on land in late June, but you probably won't need it only on a cruise. Binoculars are useful, as everything is s-p-r-e-a-d o-u-t up there. Have fun!

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Free download offer expriring

I have 2 laptops - one old with Windows 7 and one newer with Windows 10. i ma not sure i will download onto my older computer, still like my familiarity with Windows 7, and really not quite adept yet with Windows 10 but the free offer expires in July 2016. i have to make a decision soon.

thrak - You must first create a shortcut...

thrak wrote:

My peeve with Windows 10 is about keyboard shortcuts. In Windows 7 I setup Ctrl+Alt+? keyboard shortcuts for various programs. Ctrl+Alt+W for Word, etc. I used C for calculator, X for Excel, etc.

With Windows 10 I can't find a way to do that unless I also have a shortcut for the program on the desktop. Ewwwwwwwww... Clutter. What a stupid thing to change.

I upgraded 2 laptops from Win 7 Pro without incident. My desktop kept failing. I finally downloaded the full .iso and did it that way without a problem. Weird. My wife's desktop is the only box left on Windows 7 and I'll get to it when I return from Alaska.

We leave for Alaska in 3 days. smile

thrak - You must first create a shortcut to the file, program or calculator you wish to make a Keyboard Shortcut (Ctrl + Alt + ?) for. Right-click on the file or program and Send to > Desktop (create a shortcut). Then you will be able to right-click on the shortcut and choose Properties, and you'll be on the Shortcut Tab where you can choose your Keyboard Shortcut. (You can then delete the Desktop Shortcut after making a Keyboard Shortcut if you wish.)

You were probably trying to create a Keyboard Shortcut from the original file or program, which will NOT have the Shortcut Tab after clicking on Properties. You must first create a shortcut and (from that shortcut you'll have a Shortcut Tab to) create a Keyboard Shortcut (Ctrl + Alt + ?). This is the same as it is for Windows 7 - no different in Windows 10...

It should take you all of about 90 seconds to make three Keyboard Shortcuts for Word, Excel and the calculator. Then, you can rest up for your Alaska trip!

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I upgraded to Win 10 (from

I upgraded to Win 10 (from Win 8.1) in January. I never had it attempt to auto upgrade beginning when it was offered in July. I used no utility, but I probably tweaked my settings so that it wouldn't. If it does auto upgrade and you don't want it, just revert, you have 30 days from when you upgrade to revert back to your old system. As mentioned, you have until July 28 to upgrade from Win 7 forward for free. After that it will cost you $99 for the home version and $199.00 for professional. Currently it is free for home and $99.00 for professional unless your current system is professional in which case Win 10 professional is free, again only thru July 28 2016.

OT - alaska temps at the end of june for thrak

Apologies to jgermann for the off-topic post!

Several years ago, beginning the middle of May, we cruised from Seattle to Juneau, flew to Anchorage, took the train to Denali, and went on to Fairbanks. We were told the weather was normal for that time of year.

In southeast Alaska, for example near Ketchikan, expect rain with temps about 60 F (16 C).

If sailing near a glacier the ice will make the air colder miles away, 55 F (13 C).

Further North at Anchorage, expect sunshine and temps about 70 F (21 C).

In the interior near Fairbanks, even further North, due to the continental climate, expect sunshine and temps approaching 90 F (32 C), even though Fairbanks is only 200 miles (320 km) from the Arctic Circle.

Be prepared for hot weather with shorts and tee shirts.

Beginning in June through September, watch out for the Alaska state bird, the mosquito! Because of the underlying permafrost, soil in Alaska is permanently moist, perfect for the reproduction of large numbers of the biggest mosquitos ever! They are a problem all day, not only in the evening. Bring insect repellant containing DEET.

dobs108 smile

And when people tell you...

dobs108 wrote:

Beginning in June through September, watch out for the Alaska state bird, the mosquito! Because of the underlying permafrost, soil in Alaska is permanently moist, perfect for the reproduction of large numbers of the biggest mosquitos ever! They are a problem all day, not only in the evening. Bring insect repellant containing DEET.

And when people tell you that having a harsh winter with severe sub-freezing temperatures kill bugs and mosquitoes - they are very, very wrong!

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too much daylight

This time of year daylight is the longest, and even more in Alaska. So much light you can't sleep. It never gets dark at night. You can't see the stars. Dark curtains are needed.

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heres an interesting take on Windows 10

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My Windows 7 pre 2013

BarneyBadass wrote:
dobs108 wrote:

I like the idea of a clean install. Both my PCs came with the Windows 7 x64 disc, and after running them for two years, I made a clean install and reinstalled all software.

Don't worry about drivers for your printers, scanners and those kinds of things. Make sure you can get the Windows 10 drivers for the chipsets and controllers on your motherboard. If you can't get these drivers, the ones for Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 MIGHT work.

dobs108 wrote:

How to do this with Windows 10 is still in doubt. This will not be clarified before the "free" deadline. I definitely will not do the Windows 10 upgrade.
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I've been working on a buddy's laptop for the last three days. Did the "can this machine be upgraded" test and everything said we were good to upgrade.

BUZZ

While Win 10 installed, once again, the chipset drivers for the Network hardware and the necessary updates for the HDD / SSD going from Win 7 x 64 to Win 10 x 64 couldn't be found.

I'm beginning to think if the system being upgraded is more than 5 years old, the upgrade is going to be painful at best.

I've swiped drivers from here, there and everywhere, installed them and now for the most part, the PC is starting to work. I've still got a minor issue with a display driver. It would have been nice if MS put out a list of what chipset drivers had to be acquired for installation.

Now you know why I didn't go head with my Windows 7 to Windows 10 install when I finally talked myself and husband into it. I researched it and read that the older systems (before 2013) were not checked and drivers were not updated to go with Windows 10. I would have like to upgrade to Windows 10 now that I am used to my laptop with Windows 10 but so afraid I would have problems.

Speaking of Problems I tried to install my PhotoShop Elements 8 to my Windows 10 and it would not open so I did a trouble shooting and after my computer was checked the statement "Windows 10 will not work with PhotoShop Elements 8 but we have an upgrade you can buy that will work on Windows 10" ............Well I worked with it a little more and could not get the program to open so I uninstalled it and emailed the photo I needed repaired to my daughter.... Still hope I can find a way to put my program on and not to have to pay more for a new upgrade...

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I'm using PhotoShop Elements 6 on Windows 10. No problem...

mgarledge wrote:

Speaking of Problems I tried to install my PhotoShop Elements 8 to my Windows 10 and it would not open so I did a trouble shooting and after my computer was checked the statement "Windows 10 will not work with PhotoShop Elements 8 but we have an upgrade you can buy that will work on Windows 10" ............Well I worked with it a little more and could not get the program to open so I uninstalled it and emailed the photo I needed repaired to my daughter.... Still hope I can find a way to put my program on and not to have to pay more for a new upgrade...

I'm using PhotoShop Elements 6 on Windows 10. No problem... Were you requested to enter the Product Key?

PS - My PCs were bought new in January, 2013...

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we Now Return You To The Insanity Of WINDOWS 10!

Windows 10 Nonsense

Security & Privacy

https://youtu.be/u1kGMCfb2xw

Make Windows 10 Run Blazingly Fast For Free

https://youtu.be/20XlwFb_XwA

How to Speed Up Your Windows 10 Performance (best settings)

https://youtu.be/Ej0L8tGCSxg

Windows 10: Amazing Facts You May Not Know

https://youtu.be/YPtiWS5WrAA

6 Hidden Features in Windows 10

https://youtu.be/41Luqd5XJok

Top 5 Reasons Not To Upgrade To Windows 10

https://youtu.be/DOSLCxMUM6Y

Torrents blocked on Windows 10, iPhone Recall, Obesity Cure Ep. 35

https://youtu.be/I-z1vIEOGbs

Remove Windows 10 Spyware from Windows 7/8/8.1

https://youtu.be/sY79D0K7938

Windows 10 is Spying on You Even When you Turn Privacy Settings to Off!

https://youtu.be/YOZ-mwaDhlo

Windows 10 Spying is worse than I ever imagined

https://youtu.be/RVzc5wK2-pc

Can Microsoft Access Your Hard Drive With Windows 10?

https://youtu.be/FuYtQGfORwY

Windows 10 How To Stop It Spying On You & Logging Your Activity | Step By Step Guide

https://youtu.be/octjhIXkcf0

Windows 10 Privacy and Freedom Concerns Surrounding the EULA | Vlog

https://youtu.be/ULq1ajA1Jek

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talked to some IT

folks and they said Win 10 does not simply upgrade on its own. Take it with a grain of salt, just throwing it out there.

on my personal ThinkPad, I get a pop-up asking me to schedule an upgrade. According to the folks I talked to, if I do not do that, my laptop will not upgrade on its own.

Because I installed some car/dealer/mfg. software on this laptop and it is working and communicating with the car (supposedly it works in Win10 but why bother), I don't want to upgrade as the setup is worth 1/2 as much as the laptop. I may get another laptop and let that one be Win10 and this one Win7 Pro (T460S)

Yes put in my Product Key

koot wrote:
mgarledge wrote:

Speaking of Problems I tried to install my PhotoShop Elements 8 to my Windows 10 and it would not open so I did a trouble shooting and after my computer was checked the statement "Windows 10 will not work with PhotoShop Elements 8 but we have an upgrade you can buy that will work on Windows 10" ............Well I worked with it a little more and could not get the program to open so I uninstalled it and emailed the photo I needed repaired to my daughter.... Still hope I can find a way to put my program on and not to have to pay more for a new upgrade...

I'm using PhotoShop Elements 6 on Windows 10. No problem... Were you requested to enter the Product Key?

PS - My PCs were bought new in January, 2013...

Yes, I was asked to put in my Product Key and did.
I bought my laptop new with Windows 10 on it but it was real early in Windows 10 and it looks to me like HP did an update from Windows 7 to Windows 10 before they sold it. Don't know if that will cause the problem.
I installed it and when I go to open the program nothing happens... Does not open. Tried from the icon and from the all apps place.
Maybe I should try to install it again. Did you have problems at all with 6? If 6 works one would thank 8 would work.

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There is no surprise.

jgermann wrote:

Well, I have had two computers - on their own - start the process of updating from Windows 7 to Windows 10. I found my home desktop just beginning the process and was able to kill it and have it revert to Win 7.

One of the computers in our Television Ministry at church actually finished the update and was asking for us to accept the Terms. We pressed "Decline" and it let us revert to Win 7.

SO - what I did was install a utility recommended by Leo Notenboom, a computer guru that I follow.

https://askleo.com/block-windows-10-wi

In this link, Leo explains how to install and use the utility.

Now Win 10 may be a great system, and I may at some time embrace it, but I want to do it on my terms. So I installed this utility that Leo recommended.

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MS has said that it wanted its users to upgrade, and offered it for free. MS has stopped supporting XP, and eventually will do the same with the rest of its operating systems.

I've had no problems at all installing or using PhotoShop 6

mgarledge wrote:
koot wrote:
mgarledge wrote:

Speaking of Problems I tried to install my PhotoShop Elements 8 to my Windows 10 and it would not open so I did a trouble shooting and after my computer was checked the statement "Windows 10 will not work with PhotoShop Elements 8 but we have an upgrade you can buy that will work on Windows 10" ............Well I worked with it a little more and could not get the program to open so I uninstalled it and emailed the photo I needed repaired to my daughter.... Still hope I can find a way to put my program on and not to have to pay more for a new upgrade...

I'm using PhotoShop Elements 6 on Windows 10. No problem... Were you requested to enter the Product Key?

PS - My PCs were bought new in January, 2013...

Yes, I was asked to put in my Product Key and did.
I bought my laptop new with Windows 10 on it but it was real early in Windows 10 and it looks to me like HP did an update from Windows 7 to Windows 10 before they sold it. Don't know if that will cause the problem.
I installed it and when I go to open the program nothing happens... Does not open. Tried from the icon and from the all apps place.
Maybe I should try to install it again. Did you have problems at all with 6? If 6 works one would thank 8 would work.

I've had no problems at all installing or using my PhotoShop Elements 6.

I would go to your Control Panel > Programs and Features and remove your PhotoShop Elements 8. Then, try installing it again.

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oh... This Doesn't Sound Like Fun...

mgarledge wrote:

I installed it and when I go to open the program nothing happens... Does not open. Tried from the icon and from the all apps place.

Maybe I should try to install it again. Did you have problems at all with 6? If 6 works one would thank 8 would work.

This is One of the issues I was fighting the other day after the initial upgrade...from win 7 -> win 10.

The only way I could solve this was to format the drive and do a complete clean install.

Then it was the drivers nonsense.

After I waded through all that, then the installs of everything else seemed to work fine.

I shudder to say this, but doing a complete clean install from scratch on a freshly formatted HDD <_MIGHT_> address and solve all your issues.

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I have no problems with photoshop elements 5 with windows 10

koot wrote:

I've had no problems at all installing or using my PhotoShop Elements 6.

I would go to your Control Panel > Programs and Features and remove your PhotoShop Elements 8. Then, try installing it again.

I had the same pleasant experience when I installed Photoshop Elements 5 on my Windows 10 64 bit desktop computer and it installed and runs with no special gyrations that I had to go though to get it to run on Windows 7 when I did that upgrade.

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win 7 to win 10

I cloned my win 7 disk then I will upgrade....if I don't like 10 I will just put the old disk back in...any else done this? I'm wondering if the upgrade affects the status of the old untouched 7?

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mikeehmm wrote:

I cloned my win 7 disk then I will upgrade....if I don't like 10 I will just put the old disk back in...any else done this? I'm wondering if the upgrade affects the status of the old untouched 7?

It doesn't. I've upgraded and went back to Windows 7 on both laptop and desktop. They both activate and run without a problem.

Before You Start Your Upgrade

Take the time to run a full CHKDISK on the disk you are found to install Win 10 onto.

There are a number of cases where at the beginning or the end of the install you can get numerous
0x8nnnnn-bbbbb something happened messages that will cause you untold grief tiring to figure it out.

These messages tell you they don't know what happened and might decide to restore your previous environment or just quit.

It's not like M$ couldn't have run the CHKDISK command at various points during the upgrade / install process.

I'm so happy I can't upgrade my desktop machine to
Win 10 I could just....

Next is is linux

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I'm sure you'll like Windows 10

mikeehmm wrote:

I cloned my win 7 disk then I will upgrade....if I don't like 10 I will just put the old disk back in...any else done this? I'm wondering if the upgrade affects the status of the old untouched 7?

I'm sure you'll like Windows 10. People not liking Windows 10 is not the reason some have reverted back to their previous OS. The reason they revert back to the previous OS is because either (1) their computer's age (drivers, memory, etc.) couldn't handle Windows 10, or (2) the upgrade conflicted with their current OS, or (3) both. Their computer no longer worked properly... Personally, I have not run into anyone that doesn't like Windows 10...as long as it operates as designed.

I'm of the opinion that upgrading to Windows 10 from Windows 7, 8 or 8.1 is a bit like piggy-backing - you will always have some of your previous Operating System's ghosts and shadows lurking and competing with the new Windows 10. And, that may indeed be why some people experience a problem soon after they upgrade.

As I've mentioned before - a clean install always beats an upgrade. If you don't feel comfortable doing a clean install, someone like Best Buy's Geek Squad will do it for you for $99.00. Just backup your files (documents, pictures, music, videos, address books, etc.) on large thumb drives or DVDs so you can re-install them on your new-ish Windows 10 computer. Or, you can have Geek Squad (or whomever you use) backup your files for you and re-install them for you.

For the price of a nice meal-for-two you can forget about worrying about upgrading and get a fresh, clean install. Or, you can wait (or procrastinate) another month and the Windows 10 upgrade will cost you $99.00 from Microsoft. The choice is yours...

Choice #1: Upgrade and hope it works correctly, but if not do Choice #2

Choice #2: Have someone (e.g. Geek Squad) do a clean install

Choice #3: Wait and pay Microsoft $99 for Windows 10, plus another $99 for a clean install if wanted/needed.

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good idea

mikeehmm wrote:

I cloned my win 7 disk then I will upgrade....if I don't like 10 I will just put the old disk back in...any else done this? I'm wondering if the upgrade affects the status of the old untouched 7?

This is a good idea for me. I want a clean install and was reluctant to backup and format just to get Windows 10. To swap out the drive is the answer.

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Um... Er... Uh... Well Now....

koot wrote:

As I've mentioned before - a clean install always beats an upgrade.

Koot, I agree, but the way I understand it is that comming from windows 7 -> windows 10, you are required to perform the upgrade first. Then do the clean install. Be sure to get a microsoft id as you won't have any product keys to enter. Somehow, the product keys of your existing product are associated to your machine.

Unlike FULL VERSIONS OF WINDOWS OS's of YesterYear, (windows 7 full versions), (not os's distributed with a new machine), with window's 10, you can't burn an install disk, and when you upgrade your system to a new motherboard, video card, etc... you can't re-use the windows 10 os on your DVD install disk when upgrading your system hardware.

So then you need to purchase a new copy of win 10... Gezzz... what will they think of next?

koot wrote:

If you don't feel comfortable doing a clean install, someone like Best Buy's Geek Squad will do it for you for $99.00.

Just backup your files (documents, pictures, music, videos, address books, etc.) on large thumb drives or DVDs so you can re-install them on your new-ish Windows 10 computer. Or, you can have Geek Squad (or whomever you use) backup you files for you and re-install them.

Actually, if your going to have someone else do this for you; back off your data to usb / dvd an external disk or whatever.

Then get the SDELETE program from here:

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/sdelete

There are two ways to delete the files you move.

Way one is after you backup your files; you can issue

SDELETE against each individual file; or directory or you can have sdelete wipe slick any "free space".

Here are the instructions:

Using SDelete

SDelete is a command line utility that takes a number of options. In any given use, it allows you to delete one or more files and/or directories, or to cleanse the free space on a logical disk. SDelete accepts wild card characters as part of the directory or file specifier.

Usage: sdelete [-p passes] [-s] [-q] ...
sdelete [-p passes] [-z|-c] [drive letter] ...

-a Remove Read-Only attribute.
-c Clean free space.
-p passes Specifies number of overwrite passes (default is 1).
-q Don't print errors (Quiet).
-s or -r Recurse subdirectories.
-z Zero free space (good for virtual disk optimization).

You can read about SDELETE in the link above.

Me, I tend to backup my data, delete the files, then issue the

sdelete [-p passes] [-z|-c] [drive letter] ...

and let sdelete scrub all free space on the drive rather than file by file. Sure it takes a tad longer, so get all your data backed up on Sunday before you go to church (you do know about going to church on Sunday don't you? razz ) then run the sdelete program; with the number of passes you want (I usually select 7); then go to church, have lunch; go to the movies, go to dinner, then go to bed. Sometime Tuseday, it should be done!.

Oh wait, that's on my 4TB HDD. Your 1TB drive that is only has some 100 GB of space used (meaning there's about 850 GB of free space should only take about 30 hrs to complete presuming it's a 5400 RPM drive).

Best of luck

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You are no longer required to perform the upgrade first...

BarneyBadass wrote:
koot wrote:

As I've mentioned before - a clean install always beats an upgrade.

Koot, I agree, but the way I understand it is that comming from windows 7 -> windows 10, you are required to perform the upgrade first. Then do the clean install. Be sure to get a microsoft id as you won't have any product keys to enter. Somehow, the product keys of your existing product are associated to your machine.

Unlike FULL VERSIONS OF WINDOWS OS's of YesterYear, (windows 7 full versions), (not os's distributed with a new machine), with window's 10, you can't burn an install disk, and when you upgrade your system to a new motherboard, video card, etc... you can't re-use the windows 10 os on your DVD install disk when upgrading your system hardware.

So then you need to purchase a new copy of win 10... Gezzz... what will they think of next?

You are no longer required to perform the upgrade first before having access to making a clean install. With the November Update for Windows 10, Microsoft now allows users to provide the Product Key for Windows 8, Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 during the installation process. Previously, Microsoft forced users to upgrade to Windows 10 before they could start fresh and do a clean install, which was annoyingly complicated and time-consuming. Now, things are much easier, since you can activate Windows 10 with a Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 Product Key.

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How To Do a Clean Install of Windows 10

How To Do a Clean Install of Windows 10:

http://www.gottabemobile.com/2016/04/19/how-to-do-a-clean-in...

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Thanks, will try again

koot wrote:
mgarledge wrote:
koot wrote:
mgarledge wrote:

I've had no problems at all installing or using my PhotoShop Elements 6.

I would go to your Control Panel > Programs and Features and remove your PhotoShop Elements 8. Then, try installing it again.

Thanks, will try again.

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That makes 2 of you with no problem

rjrsw wrote:
koot wrote:

I've had no problems at all installing or using my PhotoShop Elements 6.

I would go to your Control Panel > Programs and Features and remove your PhotoShop Elements 8. Then, try installing it again.

I had the same pleasant experience when I installed Photoshop Elements 5 on my Windows 10 64 bit desktop computer and it installed and runs with no special gyrations that I had to go though to get it to run on Windows 7 when I did that upgrade.

I must have done something incorrectly. Will try again. Thanks

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Do it right the second time - you can do it!

mgarledge wrote:

I must have done something incorrectly. Will try again. Thanks

Do it right the second time - you can do it!

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Now the scams are starting

I have always received the call saying he was from Windows and that I had a virus on my computer but today's call was different.
The actually left a message with a call back number on my answering machine saying
"This is Microsoft and your license to your Microsoft Software has expired. It is very important you call us back"

Wonder how many people will call back because of the timing of the end of upgrading free to the new Windows 10 software.

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And The Only Appropriate Reply Is....

mgarledge wrote:

I have always received the call saying he was from Windows and that I had a virus on my computer but today's call was different.
The actually left a message with a call back number on my answering machine saying
"This is Microsoft and your license to your Microsoft Software has expired. It is very important you call us back"

Wonder how many people will call back because of the timing of the end of upgrading free to the new Windows 10 software.

Drum roll please...

I DONT HAVE A COMPUTER!

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Compatibility mode

mgarledge wrote:

I must have done something incorrectly. Will try again. Thanks

Try this first. Find the program .exe in the folder, right click, choose properties, and choose Compatibility. Pick the last OS in ran correctly with. If it still doesn't work, choose the one before that.

I've done this with a few old progs. smile

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When I receive those scam calls I usually say...

BarneyBadass wrote:
mgarledge wrote:

I have always received the call saying he was from Windows and that I had a virus on my computer but today's call was different.
The actually left a message with a call back number on my answering machine saying
"This is Microsoft and your license to your Microsoft Software has expired. It is very important you call us back"

Wonder how many people will call back because of the timing of the end of upgrading free to the new Windows 10 software.

Drum roll please...

I DONT HAVE A COMPUTER!

When I receive those scam calls (saying they are with Microsoft) I usually say; "My wife takes care of the computers - please hold on and I'll get her." Then, I mute the phone and put it on Speaker to see how long he'll wait, and what he says, before he hangs up. After awhile the scam artist realizes he's been bamboozled and hangs up.

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So if I understand this Koot?

If I remove the win 7 hard drive from my computer (to safe guard it)and put another clean hard drive in it I can do a clean install of win 10 since I have my win 7 key?
This safe guards my win 7 OS and allows me to start fresh. Of course I need to reinstall my programs I use and move any data if i like win 10.

koot wrote:
BarneyBadass wrote:
koot wrote:

As I've mentioned before - a clean install always beats an upgrade.

Koot, I agree, but the way I understand it is that comming from windows 7 -> windows 10, you are required to perform the upgrade first. Then do the clean install. Be sure to get a microsoft id as you won't have any product keys to enter. Somehow, the product keys of your existing product are associated to your machine.

Unlike FULL VERSIONS OF WINDOWS OS's of YesterYear, (windows 7 full versions), (not os's distributed with a new machine), with window's 10, you can't burn an install disk, and when you upgrade your system to a new motherboard, video card, etc... you can't re-use the windows 10 os on your DVD install disk when upgrading your system hardware.

So then you need to purchase a new copy of win 10... Gezzz... what will they think of next?

You are no longer required to perform the upgrade first before having access to making a clean install. With the November Update for Windows 10, Microsoft now allows users to provide the Product Key for Windows 8, Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 during the installation process. Previously, Microsoft forced users to upgrade to Windows 10 before they could start fresh and do a clean install, which was annoyingly complicated and time-consuming. Now, things are much easier, since you can activate Windows 10 with a Windows 7, 8, or 8.1 Product Key.

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