Tamap Adds Red Light Camera (Total Now 48)

Good, you can look forward to a safer driving experience since it's to improve safety, not about the money.

ROFL

I guess some people still don't understand the difference between a reason and an excuse...

But what do I know?

Summary: It's a pretty ill-founded argument to keep insisting that cameras, like humans, make mistakes.

I have yet to see anybody conclusively show that rlcs make mistakes. a) pic of car behind stop line when light turned red b) pic of car proceeding through intersection, with light red c) close-up of license plate

A camera cannot concoct the above, if it didn't happen. One person on this forum said they can, yet when asked for some more details, mysteriously disappeared.

Recently, someone I knew got rear-ended, when at a complete stop. When the woman who hit him got out of her car, first thing she said, "Why did you suddenly slam on your brakes like that?" He was like WTF are you talking about, I was completely stopped. She kept insisting he slammed on his brakes, and I told him I have a feeling her iPhone was recording all this.

imho people tend to not tell the truth. Technology makes that not possible. So it's pretty unproductive to be against technology that prevents lying and lawbreaking. my .02

Personally at some point I will get a dash cam, because the s*** I see every day on my commute is amazing.

City issued speed camera ticket to motionless car.
Google it and report back.
OR
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-12-12/news/bs-md-speed...

Interesting article, but why is the vehicle really out of the lane. Hopefully moving into the other.

Do we accept that DC is blanketed with various cams? do we agree that people do not, in general, run red lights and speed in DC? Besides the mobile units, where the cameras are, are no secret. They are posted on the Commonwealth's website.

How much easier, can a govt. entity make it? Here are where our cameras are located. Do not speed or run red lights, and you will not be fined.

That example in Baltimore, per the article, was the first of its kind. The technology didn't fail, the humans did--if a human reviewed what the technology captured, and still decided to issue a ticket to a motionless vehicle, then the overall system did fail. This one time.

When I grew up, people routinely shoplifted. My grandpa told me some of the shenanigans they did when they were in school, with the opposite sex. None of that happens today. Today, people do not routinely shoplift. The risk v. reward is not there. Many people do not like getting caught, and so they blame technology. Or they blame everything including the moon and the stars, as long as they don't have to take a look at their own behavior.

Ok let me rephrase--someone on this forum claimed they got a rlc ticket, when they did not run the red light. When asked for more information, they mysteriously disappeared.

If technology is so great?

Maybe not using the situation you posited, but ...

When an RLC camera was installed near me a few years ago I saw its camera flash for every single car, regardless of the color of the light, for about 2 minutes straight. After I finished my errand 1.5 hours later, I drove by the same camera that was still flashing every single car, including my own. I didn't receive a ticket, presumably because a human being then reviewed the photos and concluded that a red light camera should only issue tickets during red lights.

In any event, even without errors, RLCs can be misused in any number of ways, such as using them at lights that have improperly short yellows. Private companies own and operate many RLCS and profit-share with municipalities so the private companies will suggest placing the cameras where they issue the most tickets, knowing that most people are too ignorant or busy to fight improperly issued tickets.

My personal favorite now is seeing RLCs placed to spot cars that don't stop at the line before making right turns. Plenty of these lines are poorly located such that the driver is unable to determine whether it is safe to make the turn, so the driver reasonably stops a little past the line before making the turn. Guess what, they still get a ticket. Unlike a police officer, who probably would not issue a ticket in such a situation, RLCs have no shame.

Further, if a police officer received a portion of the proceeds from every ticket he issued, he would have zero credibility in a court of law, as he would have a huge incentive to lie. The RLCs are programmed by people working for companies which have an incentive to lie. These companies also presumably have access to the advanced top secret "copy and paste" functionality in "Microsoft Paint for Windows XP", so the ability to falsify data, that only the the RLC vendor has access to, is there. It's probably only a matter of time before it happens, but best of luck convincing a court that the camera is lying.

Early next year, Tampa will add cameras to 5 more intersections.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/transportation/roads/tampa-poli...

The way Tampa is heading before you know it every intersection in the city limits will have a camera!