New Speed Cameras in NYC

I will be in New York next month, maybe I'll test some of them out. School areas sound like a good place to put them up. I'm all for it.

I see speeding over the posted limits, on local streets, as big a problem as on the freeways, so bring on the speed cams. The only problem might be whether they assign points to the citation, since you don't know who is actually driving. That detracts from their intended impact if points are not issued. I ride my bike around the LI neighborhood at 6:00 am and have to watch out for speeders and stop sign 'passers' to avoid getting clobbered.

I really like the idea of speed cameras in school zones. We have days where at the close of school we have a line of cops out there just issuing warnings and tickets at a rate that saturates them (even if the entire precinct is there they can't get everyone b/c all the cops will already be busy when someone zooms by).

They've been talking about putting these in for about a year now and I hope they do. The cameras will keep people from speeding on EVERY school day and not just after the crossing guards report a close call!

They should make the fine $200 and that might slow most down.

Agreed. Maybe San Francisco @ $480 is too severe, but $50 is a joke. It has to be painful imho for the avg person. Such a person could get 2 violations daily and wouldn't flinch.

I agree, a fine is supposed to make you think twice about doing it. $50.00 is way too low.
In europe the fine is based on your income. The more you make the bigger the fine. (I know this will make a lot of people bitch) but $50 is a lot to some people and pennies to others.

They should take notes from here: http://autos.aol.com/article/highest-speeding-fines/

I especially like this part:

The 20 speed cameras will ONLY be installed (they are of the mobile type) in school zones.. They will be in effect 1 hour prior to school hours to 1 hour after school.. To be fined, you must be going 10 mph over the school limit.. I think it was 1350 feet prior to the school zone and 1350 feet after the zone.. If I find the paperwork the State gave me I'll fill you in with the rest of the law..

10 mph is pretty lenient IMO. So is the $50! Why not make it the same fine as if a cop pulls you over in a school zone?

I just seen a photo of a camera mounted in a crash barrier, looking at the barrier at 100km you wouldn't even notice, till the ticket arrived in the mail

Thats because the cameras are not about safety. They want to maximize the amount of money that comes in. The cameras need to be banned, plain and simple.

I didn't see anything mentioned about the crack down on speeding on I-80 over the last week at least in Iowa. the supposed point of the crack down was break drivers of the notion that it was ok to go 5 over the speed limit.

Which is possibly why only a $50 fine and 10mph grace. Many drivers will just not worry about it with those parameters, thereby increasing the city's coffers by volume of violators. An old retail formula being put to new use.

The danger of doing this in NY is that New Yorkers may take hostile action to the cameras. Getting the populace really angry is not a winning situation.

Fred

As a driver in NY for more than 50 years, trust me, New Yorkers' DON"T take "hostile " action over safety cameras.Please keep your paranoia of NY in check. Especially when the fine will only be $50.00. Our double parking tickets are $115.00. Now that is something to get hostile about, and we don't even do it over that.

For New York State, this is a trial balloon. Give it a year or two and the system will be changed to 5MPH and $150. Add another two years and you will see 1MPH and $300. Once they get a taste of the money, they will do whatever they can to increase it. I fully expect them to expand the program to Long Island and the major highways. We are limited (in theory) to 55MPH on the major highways and many of the secondaries have been dropped from 55MPH to 50MPH or even 40MPH now. This will bring in a lot of money.

Maybe when the fines get more frequent and costly the people will finally get some action to ban the cameras.

We're a long ways away from a camera ticketing at 1 mph. Most officers who are participating in crackdowns won't even ticket until 5 because of the mount of calibration that has to be constantly redone at 1 mph.

Our school zone enforcement will pull you over at 21 (in a 20) but to issue you a warning and ask you to slow down when kids are present. At 25 is when they start ticketing. I think that's a fair policy, and if speed cameras ticketed at the same rate that cops do, I would have nothing against it. I'm guessing the 10 mph grace is just to make it so the cameras don't have to be calibrated that often?

All correct finbar! Here is the law -

http://public.leginfo.state.ny.us/LAWSSEAF.cgi?QUERYTYPE=LAWS+&QUERYDATA=$$VAT1180-B$$@TXVAT01180-B+&LIST=SEA2+&BROWSER=BROWSER+&TOKEN=39948966+&TARGET=VIEW

The law says the city MAY post signs that a speed camera is in use. Existing school speed limit signs may not be 1350 feet away from the school. Other sections of the NYS Vehicle and Traffic Law require the existing speed limit signs to include the school hours.

dobs108

Like someone said above, it starts at school zones with restricted hours and a small fine. All of it will expand as time goes on and the populace grows accustomed to it and the politicians look for a way to raise revenue without raising taxes.

Don't be so sure about that. There are several articles available via Google about the practice already in place:

http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/95181939.html

"Drivers recorded exceeding the speed limit by up to 5 mph will be fined $25." The key phrase is "up to" meaning 1 to 5.

Chicago is toying with the 1MPH over idea as well. Basically it will boil down to the recipient of a ticket having to take a day off from work and going to court to fight it. Just like a red light camera. I assume the government's point of view is that most people will pay it because there are no points or insurance surcharges. The few that do challenge it will probably be found guilty anyhow thus making the whole exercise a waste of time.

I have my paranoia in check. I grew up in NYC.
What's not in check is the municipalities & the many creative ways they've taken to "enhance" their budgets. What's foolish is that their constituents either don't understand or don't care.

Fred

NYC of late has been putting SPEED BUMPS in 'school zones' be they public or private schools.

Cameras should be an interesting addition in these zones!

ML

Wait a second, isn't it a good thing to be able to raise more revenue WITHOUT raising my taxes on my hard-earned money???

Interesting... But if they have the technology to make it accurate to +/- 1 mph, I say go for it! But I wouldn't think that that technology (if it even exists at this consumer level) would be cheap enough to make it cost effective.

There is of course another thing to keep in mind. What they say and what they actually do might be two different things. They might SAY they are allowed to ticket at 1mph over, but might not actually do it. It might just be to get people to slow down. Of course our law enforcement's opinion around here is it doesn't matter how we make the roads safer, just that we do. If placing an empty police care of a box on a pole with wires coming out of it gets people to slow down, then so be it!

Unless they are retractable speed bumps, why would you put in permanent fixtures for traffic calming for speeds that need to be achieved for 2-3 hours out of the day and about 180 days out of the year? Keep the camera, tear down the speed bumps!

Of course I'm also biased against speed bumps--do you know how it feels to go over one of those things in a Fire Engine or an Ambulance? Not comfortable!!! It also slows down our response by quite a lot--we have a 60 second response time to most places in our area except for the street with speed bumps. It takes about 3-4 minutes to navigate that street

AfroDuck? They guy even stopped at all red lights, and Commish Kelly is out to get him?

http://youtu.be/v_4ghLXaEVM

He got arrested. I guess cameras don't lie. The irony is he stopped at all red lights.

How did you find out he was arrested? I would love to know who he was and his attitude towards total disreguard for others safety..

It's interesting that if a police commissioner wants someone, NYPD will get him/her. It only took 8 days. Social media is interesting, he could have done this 10 times, but not posted to youtube, and he would be fine. Again, he stopped at the red lights, watch his video.

PS NYC--how do you know how fast he was going? Is it based on the premise of his time and distance? The other day, aerospace engineers invented something call the pc, and video editing software. Maybe AfroDuck has something up his sleeve.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/cops-arrest-speedster-...

Cops also took away the BMW — with a maximum speed of 155 mph — driven by the racing madman.

Don't think his BMW did 155mph.. Quoting for effect how fast a car can go doesn't indicate he actually went that fast.. It's all made up.. Smoke and mirrors. And if this is real he should never drive a car again..

welcome to NY

its all bull

I live in Lindenhurst NY and not all school yet having installed anything to expensive for NY,

I live in Lindenhurst NY and not all school yet having installed anything to expensive for NY, we keeping dreaming to keep our kids save

Mass media is funny. Anybody who knows cars can see that the BMW is a Z4 without zsp and the 3.0 version, not the 3.5. It is NOT capable of 155, it would be limited to 130. The media says anything they want, but they would make very poor FBI agents where details do matter.

But it shows how if you f*** with NYC, it has the resources to dispose of you any way it wants to. A modern day Billy the Kid.

time is money.....

I just got my ticket $80.00 in Suffolk county NY long island . brand new red light camera .

Which camera? One of the new ones around West Babylon?