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Right on Red

 

In Tennessee, a ticket cannot be issued if you turn right on red if the only evidence is from a traffic camera.

RedFlix Traffic Systems, Inc. and American Traffic Solutions, Inc. tried to overturn the law in an attempt to issue more citations and thus their profits.

The judge turned down their request, noting that
"...lawmakers concluded use of traffic cameras to cite drivers for illegal right turns was less about traffic safety than about generating revenue." Associated Press

I guess that is clear enough.

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Tennessee judge way to go

The judge have the conviction and integrity to stand up against Money making companies that are in cahoot with local government.

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Which local government?

gwapaval wrote:

The judge have the conviction and integrity to stand up against Money making companies that are in cahoot with local government.

Which local government is Tennessee are you referring to? Any basis for your statement, or are you just ranting?

The

Apparently all the cities in East Tennesse
http://www.wbir.com/news/article/176975/2/Cities-with-red-li...

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Are there any States that Don't allow Right on Red after Stop

I realize that when posted no turn on red is the rule when posted. But are there states that do not allow right on red after a full stop?

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In cohoots?

spokybob wrote:

Apparently all the cities in East Tennesse
http://www.wbir.com/news/article/176975/2/Cities-with-red-light-cameras-not-ticketing-for-right-on-red

gwapaval wrote:

The judge have the conviction and integrity to stand up against Money making companies that are in cahoot with local government.

Since cities have "contracts" with Automated Traffic Enforcement companies, I probably should have asked gwapaval what secret agreements he was speaking of to justify the word "cahoots".

@spokybob, tThe link you provided seems to say that East Tennessee cities simply followed the new Tennessee law once it was enacted in 2011.

There can't

There can't still be states that don't allow right turns on red after a FULL stop, is there? rolleyes

I remember many years ago, Michigan didn't allow it but that's when I was a kid, and that's a very long time ago. grin

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Wiki to the rescue

t923347 wrote:

There can't still be states that don't allow right turns on red after a FULL stop, is there? rolleyes

I remember many years ago, Michigan didn't allow it but that's when I was a kid, and that's a very long time ago. grin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_turn_on_red

I especially like the section called Pedestrian Safety, since I may rant here to a similar extent in some threads.

The left-on-red section in the link is also handy to know.

all 50

t923347 wrote:

There can't still be states that don't allow right turns on red after a FULL stop, is there? rolleyes

I remember many years ago, Michigan didn't allow it but that's when I was a kid, and that's a very long time ago. grin

I read an article. There are NO states prohibiting red light turn after stop. I was surprised that NYC prohibits those turns, unless a sign allows it.
I returned to Illinois after my Navy service in California. I turned right on a red. A policeman honked and shook his finger at me. I guess he noticed my CA plates. This was a long time ago.

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That's

spokybob wrote:

I was surprised that NYC prohibits those turns, unless a sign allows it.

That's because of the danger of running over someone while they enjoy their 1oz of "almost legal" weed and sip on their "soon to be illegal" 32oz Big Gulp. confused

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Bad reporting

spokybob wrote:

Apparently all the cities in East Tennesse
http://www.wbir.com/news/article/176975/2/Cities-with-red-light-cameras-not-ticketing-for-right-on-red

Well, first off the first sentence in this article is incorrect to the intent of the article...

"Every city in East Tennessee that currently has red light cameras is not issuing citations for drivers caught on camera making a right turn without stopping."

To be clear, RLC companies issue citations to the registered OWNERS of vehicles - NOT THE DRIVERS. (You would think a reporter would get this very basic information correct.)

Funny how because of this change a right-on-red violation at a RLC intersection will now carry a stiffer penalty than previously (because an officer will be required to issue the citation rather than allowing the RLC to issue the citation.)

...oh, how we bend over backwards to make these cameras work.... No wonder 13 states have made them illegal.

Some common sense prevails...

Some common sense prevails...

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Only cities

kkkelleher wrote:

I realize that when posted no turn on red is the rule when posted. But are there states that do not allow right on red after a full stop?

New York City does not allow right-on-red except where it is posted.

dobs108 smile

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t923347 wrote:

There can't still be states that don't allow right turns on red after a FULL stop, is there? rolleyes

I remember many years ago, Michigan didn't allow it but that's when I was a kid, and that's a very long time ago. grin

All states allow turns on red unless posted (right turns or left turns when turning from a one way street to a one way street). The federal government requires this via the MUTCD. NYC applied for and received a special exception that is unique.

Some states tried playing games with the intent of the feds and hung up No Turn On Red signs everywhere, but the ones that had no traffic engineering justification were required to be removed. Some were.

But in some intersection of

But in some intersection of Toronto, you will be fined when you turn right on red if you don't full stop over 3 seconds.

Reason?

poi2012 wrote:

But in some intersection of Toronto, you will be fined when you turn right on red if you don't full stop over 3 seconds.

Is there any reason given for why one must stop for a full 3 seconds at some Toronto intersections? Like many laws, this makes no sense.

Three Second Myth? (Ontario)

ericruby wrote:
poi2012 wrote:

But in some intersection of Toronto, you will be fined when you turn right on red if you don't full stop over 3 seconds.

Is there any reason given for why one must stop for a full 3 seconds at some Toronto intersections? Like many laws, this makes no sense.

I Googled this and found several references claiming that the "three second rule" is a myth, e.g.,

http://trafficticketsolutions.ca/stop-sign.php

Several of the discussions went on to claim that cops will issue tickets anyway, citing the "three second rule" verbally but just using the official name of the (alleged) offense on the ticket.

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I don't know the reason.

I don't know the reason. Maybe for the red light like stop sign when you turn right, you have to stop 3 seconds.

A famous intersection is

A famous intersection is Finch Av E/Don Mills Rd., many people were caught and fined 320 bulks.

Great Decision

The companies are all about making money, Safety is only a second concern and an argument that can use in order to implement their money makers.

Toronto Example

poi2012 wrote:

A famous intersection is Finch Av E/Don Mills Rd., many people were caught and fined 320 bulks.

That may well have happened, but the point of my previous posting was that while the officer issuing the ticket might say that there is a "three second rule", others claim that it is simply not a requirement under the Highway Traffic Act. The officer(s) might be misinformed, or they might be counting on a certain percentage of the tickets going uncontested. However, $325 + 3 demerit points (for "Red Light - Fail To Stop") is a strong incentive to fight the ticket.

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In Ontario, no points with

In Ontario, no points with the right light camera, only fine. For the police can not make certain who is the driver. So they give this ticket to the owner only.

And this ticket cannot be cancelled. Because the evidence is photo, we can't give any excuse.

After go to court, normally result is pay half fine + 35 court fee.

There is a right turn on red

There is a right turn on red camera in Griffin GA that is there strictly for revenue. A shame we don't have more judges that will stand up to that nonsense.

Ontario RLCs

poi2012 wrote:

In Ontario, no points with the right light camera, only fine. For the police can not make certain who is the driver. So they give this ticket to the owner only.

And this ticket cannot be cancelled. Because the evidence is photo, we can't give any excuse.

After go to court, normally result is pay half fine + 35 court fee.

Thanks for the additional information. Good to know!

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The Country of NYC

dobs108 wrote:

New York City does not allow right-on-red except where it is posted.

dobs108 smile

NYC has a many laws that don't follow State and Federal law or even the constitution. If we could at least move them outside of NYS, we could keep track of what is considered NYC to obey their special laws.

California should have the

California should have the same law like Tennessee. grin

Full Stop on Red...

kkkelleher wrote:

I realize that when posted no turn on red is the rule when posted. But are there states that do not allow right on red after a full stop?

The "full stop" part is an issue here in Chicago. Many people here have no clue that you are supposed to come to a "full stop" at a red light before making a turn. This is especially true with the Taxi cabs here in the city. I have been almost run over many time by these Morons who don't even slow down before coming around the corner on a red.

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Right on Red -

I'm a full believer in coming to a complete stop BEFORE turning right on red. There have been many instances when I have almost been run over - IN THE CROSS WALK WITH THE WALK LIGHT ILLUMINATED - because some idiot didn't even slow down when they turned.

Pedestrians have the right away. That should be enforced.

Riiiiight on red

trigon wrote:

I'm a full believer in coming to a complete stop BEFORE turning right on red. There have been many instances when I have almost been run over - IN THE CROSS WALK WITH THE WALK LIGHT ILLUMINATED - because some idiot didn't even slow down when they turned.

Pedestrians have the right away. That should be enforced.

Just because someone comes to a complete stop, doesn't mean they look to the right to make sure there are no pedestrians. If it's a problem, there should be no turn on red. Most red light camera intersections I encounter, there are no pedestrians.

Turning

redvino1963 wrote:

I have been almost run over many time by these Morons who don't even slow down before coming around the corner on a red.

I've noticed that few of those morons bother to use their turn signals too.

Are they afraid they might wear out?

Ron

Look at this

RonJS wrote:

I've noticed that few of those morons bother to use their turn signals too. Are they afraid they might wear out?
Ron

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q297/spokybob/blinker.jpg

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Very helpful link. Thanks.

Very helpful link. Thanks.

Turn Signals

RonJS wrote:

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I've noticed that few of those morons bother to use their turn signals too.

Are they afraid they might wear out?

Ron

Turn signals are often a problem: First they work, then they don't work, then they work again, then they don't....

Funny :)

jale wrote:
RonJS wrote:

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I've noticed that few of those morons bother to use their turn signals too.

Are they afraid they might wear out?

Ron

Turn signals are often a problem: First they work, then they don't work, then they work again, then they don't....

I have a '69 Honda CB350, and the right turn signal behaves as described unfortunately and I believe it has worn out after 40+ years. Sometimes it does work, then other times it doesn't. I think it could be a fault in the wiring at this point, the bulbs are still good.

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nonsense

In the big picture, red light cameras are meaningless. When is the last time that anyone here got a ticket in the mail? We don't have anything more interesting to talk about? LOL

On / Off

jale wrote:

Turn signals are often a problem: First they work, then they don't work, then they work again, then they don't....

I see what you did there. grin

much ado about nothing

It's amazing how these topics are so beaten to death. Usually as we get older, we become more responsible. There are two places that I have been to often, California, and Ontario. In both places, pedestrian and turn laws are enforced by human police officers. I wonder what people have to say about humans enforcing the law? Unconstitutional? Don't work? They aren't calibrated? What now? LOL

I refuse to make a right on red turn at a Cam location

Let the people behind me honk, hopefully some are RL Cam lovers and will insist we need more of them!!!

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imho

windwalker wrote:

Let the people behind me honk, hopefully some are RL Cam lovers and will insist we need more of them!!!

It's not a requirement, but not turning right on red where it's legal, creates a bottleneck. It's definitely inconsiderate.

If you're not confident that the RLC functions as designed, watch what a FedEX or UPS truck does. They most certainly turn right on red at red light intersections.

Left turn signal

My one complaint is when I get a left turn signal and as I turn left have the idiot with a red light opposite me make a right turn on red light in front of me. There are many idiots out there and one has to keep an eye out for them.

Check with your dealer?

shrifty wrote:
jale wrote:
RonJS wrote:

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I've noticed that few of those morons bother to use their turn signals too.

Are they afraid they might wear out?

Ron

Turn signals are often a problem: First they work, then they don't work, then they work again, then they don't....

I have a '69 Honda CB350, and the right turn signal behaves as described unfortunately and I believe it has worn out after 40+ years. Sometimes it does work, then other times it doesn't. I think it could be a fault in the wiring at this point, the bulbs are still good.

Sounds like a warranty issue to me. I'd take it back to the dealer and demand a free replacement.

Ron

Tennessee

When I moved to Tennessee, I was told that, if I see a car with it's turn signals blinking, the owner probably bought it that way.

I think it's true.

grin

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Up Here

David King wrote:

When I moved to Tennessee, I was told that, if I see a car with it's turn signals blinking, the owner probably bought it that way.

I think it's true.

grin

Up here in Vancouver Canada, no proof of course, but it seems that turn signals are an option when you buy a new Car. Why pay for it if you not going to use them anyways?.... grin

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I should...

RonJS wrote:
shrifty wrote:
jale wrote:
RonJS wrote:

...

I've noticed that few of those morons bother to use their turn signals too.

Are they afraid they might wear out?

Ron

Turn signals are often a problem: First they work, then they don't work, then they work again, then they don't....

I have a '69 Honda CB350, and the right turn signal behaves as described unfortunately and I believe it has worn out after 40+ years. Sometimes it does work, then other times it doesn't. I think it could be a fault in the wiring at this point, the bulbs are still good.

Sounds like a warranty issue to me. I'd take it back to the dealer and demand a free replacement.

Ron

If the dealership is still in business (no idea where the bike was purchased) I should take it in and see what they say. Who knows, they may be impressed to see it is still on the road and fix it for free!

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Maybe a discount...

It could be out of warranty based on the number of (s)miles ....

Ron

Low Mileage

RonJS wrote:

It could be out of warranty based on the number of (s)miles ....

Ron

The mileage is actually quite low, around 17K. Being 43 years old, I'd say well outside any warranty smile

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Ironically...

You can make a left turn on red from a one way to a one way with the exception of certain states and NYC.

http://www.driversedguru.com/driving-articles/drivers-ed-ext...

Guess there's no traffic cameras on these type of intersections.

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At Least Someone Is Paying Attention...

Good for that judge!

Those camera's "might" reduce some accidents or slow some people down and pay more attention, but, this goes to show that these camera companies will do anything to increase "their" revenues and try to convince municipalities to go along to increase their revenues as well.

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One way?

Preroll wrote:

You can make a left turn on red from a one way to a one way with the exception of certain states and NYC.

http://www.driversedguru.com/driving-articles/drivers-ed-ext...

Guess there's no traffic cameras on these type of intersections.

A traffic light on a one way street that turns onto another one way street? What is the purpose of the light? Pedestrian safety? Why not just a stop sign?

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Consider

David King wrote:

A traffic light on a one way street that turns onto another one way street? What is the purpose of the light? Pedestrian safety? Why not just a stop sign?

Several years ago, we had your situation and boy was I glad we did.

The major street was 4 lanes going into town. The one way cross street came from another major street two block away that was 4 lanes going out of town.

I would mostly be trying to cross the 4 way inbound street in order to get to church (where I have been involved with its Television Ministry for many years and there need to be there during the week for editing, etc). Had it not been for the trafic light, I would not have been able to cross safely.

Now, the major streets have been changed into two way - 2 lanes each.

I think that we would agree that these situations are best left to the decision of a traffic engineer.

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