Right on Red

 

In Tennessee, a ticket cannot be issued if you turn right on red if the only evidence is from a traffic camera.

RedFlix Traffic Systems, Inc. and American Traffic Solutions, Inc. tried to overturn the law in an attempt to issue more citations and thus their profits.

The judge turned down their request, noting that
"...lawmakers concluded use of traffic cameras to cite drivers for illegal right turns was less about traffic safety than about generating revenue." Associated Press

I guess that is clear enough.

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Same as any other traffic

Same as any other traffic signal. Traffic control.

You have a busy, one way street, E-W intersecting with a busy one way street going N-S. You need to stop traffic on one road so traffic on the other road can proceed. Most streets in Manhattan are one way and traffic lights are essential.

The point is left on red is frequently permitted.

Expense

lewc wrote:

Same as any other traffic signal. Traffic control.

You have a busy, one way street, E-W intersecting with a busy one way street going N-S. You need to stop traffic on one road so traffic on the other road can proceed. Most streets in Manhattan are one way and traffic lights are essential.

The point is left on red is frequently permitted.

Yeah, but he was talking about turning left from a one way onto another one way street. I saw his point, but wondered what the thinking was to justify the expense of having a traffic light.

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NUVI40 Kingsport TN

left on red

David King wrote:

Yeah, but he was talking about turning left from a one way onto another one way street. I saw his point, but wondered what the thinking was to justify the expense of having a traffic light.

Very few one way streets I have been on are a single lane. You can't have two or more lanes turning from any street onto another without some kind of traffic control device.

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You have a standard

You have a standard intersection (+) shaped. Two one way street. You still need a traffic light to control traffic, assuming the number of cars justify it.

You only need a specific left turn arrow if there are enough pedestrians to require it.

He must either be thinking of a reduced need for a turn arrow or for a L shaped intersection which would rarely need a light.

T Intersection

lewc wrote:

He must either be thinking of a reduced need for a turn arrow or for a L shaped intersection which would rarely need a light.

I was thinking of a one-lane street with another one-way street joining perpendicular to it. I didn't even consider a multiple lane street with two turn lanes.

Sometimes I ask a question just to be the devils advocate. It's the teacher in me. evil evil surprised

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educate

A person can sure get a education here

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left on red

David King wrote:
lewc wrote:

He must either be thinking of a reduced need for a turn arrow or for a L shaped intersection which would rarely need a light.

I was thinking of a one-lane street with another one-way street joining perpendicular to it. I didn't even consider a multiple lane street with two turn lanes.

Sometimes I ask a question just to be the devils advocate. It's the teacher in me. evil evil surprised

Either a T or a + intersection could need a light so cars going straight, on each of the two roads, don't collide.

Left on red, assuming one way streets, generally makes sense. Obviously depending on the amount of traffic and number of pedestrians.

RIght, no left!

This is the Right On Red thread. The left on red thread is <------ that way. Please be sure and come to a complete stop first, then proceed when safe to do so. Thank you

Even with multiple lanes on one way streets, it's still possible to turn left on red, from a one way to another one way.

Has anyone else seen when there are two right lanes, only the right right lane can turn right on red?

I've seen both options:

twix wrote:

This is the Right On Red thread. The left on red thread is <------ that way. Please be sure and come to a complete stop first, then proceed when safe to do so. Thank you

Even with multiple lanes on one way streets, it's still possible to turn left on red, from a one way to another one way.

Has anyone else seen when there are two right lanes, only the right right lane can turn right on red?

I've seen where it is as you have described, as well as BOTH turn lanes able to turn at the same time. Not sure which is more common.

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Judge Got it Right

Sounds to me like the judge got this one right. How refreshing!!!

Two right turn lanes with red arrow

At the bottom of an off-ramp near here, both lanes must turn right. I think the red arrow is confusing. A solid red would be appropriate. When I am stopped in far right lane, cars can pull up beside me, blocking my view of oncoming traffic.

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left on red

What about states that allow left on red, when it's a one-way, does that throw a monkey wrench into the red light cam setup?

Good

Good. Now let's see more judges rule this way

Yes dallas tx still lives in

Yes dallas tx still lives in the dark ages when it comes to no turn on red lights after a complete stop. Go figure. I guess if you where on a horse that would be ok, but then you would get a ticket for no turn signal or brake lights. LOL

I had a new one

RonJS wrote:
shrifty wrote:
jale wrote:
RonJS wrote:

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I've noticed that few of those morons bother to use their turn signals too.

Are they afraid they might wear out?

Ron

Turn signals are often a problem: First they work, then they don't work, then they work again, then they don't....

I have a '69 Honda CB350, and the right turn signal behaves as described unfortunately and I believe it has worn out after 40+ years. Sometimes it does work, then other times it doesn't. I think it could be a fault in the wiring at this point, the bulbs are still good.

Sounds like a warranty issue to me. I'd take it back to the dealer and demand a free replacement.

Ron

I had a new Honda CB350, they didn't work on that either

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Right on Red

I have always believed that it is OK to turn on red if there are no posted signs and it is safe to do so.

Me too!

Jose98 wrote:

I have always believed that it is OK to turn on red if there are no posted signs and it is safe to do so.

Of course I just realized yesterday that my favorite beef sausage lists as its primary ingredients lymph nodes and salivary glands, so I may not be living life quite as I should. sad

funny I saw this last night

spokybob wrote:

At the bottom of an off-ramp near here, both lanes must turn right. I think the red arrow is confusing. A solid red would be appropriate. When I am stopped in far right lane, cars can pull up beside me, blocking my view of oncoming traffic.

I was leaving a Phillies game last night and there is a road with two right turn lanes and a sign that said far right lane only may turn on red.

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Any idea if this ruling is recognized....

in other states?

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Right on Red

Well done!!!

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Alan-Garmin c340

Turn Signals

Here in Central Indiana the turn signals are activated AFTER the brakes have been applied for the upcoming turn. Having been taught to drive in the Chicago area in the 60's, I was taught that the turn signal gave those behind you a warning that brakes were going to be applied soon for a turn. When I see a vehicle that does not use their turn signals, I always say to myself, "Hmmm...must not have been an available option on that model."

That's hilarious, Prof. I

That's hilarious, Prof. I live in Chicago and always think to myself 'turn signals must be optional if you drive an SUV." Had one tool cut across 3 lanes of traffic a couple of weeks ago, because (s)he decided to turn left instead of right.

I've seen that in a number of places as well ...

soberbyker wrote:
spokybob wrote:

At the bottom of an off-ramp near here, both lanes must turn right. I think the red arrow is confusing. A solid red would be appropriate. When I am stopped in far right lane, cars can pull up beside me, blocking my view of oncoming traffic.

I was leaving a Phillies game last night and there is a road with two right turn lanes and a sign that said far right lane only may turn on red.

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Turn Signals in Florida

Not required??? Duhhhhhhh.

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A good ruling.

A good ruling.

isn't that silly

A camera proves that someone did something illegal, but it's illegal to use this evidence against them. What kind of society have we become? It's like we love OJ and Cos types of stories.

They Get Reviewed Here

Here in Lakeland there was a lawsuit over the right turn on red traffic camera issue. A bunch were throw out and now the PD has a computer review sworn traffic officer look at every right turn on red camera violation. I believe they review them all now so they have a better chance of holding up in court.

flabbergasting

Box Car wrote:
David King wrote:

Yeah, but he was talking about turning left from a one way onto another one way street. I saw his point, but wondered what the thinking was to justify the expense of having a traffic light.

Very few one way streets I have been on are a single lane. You can't have two or more lanes turning from any street onto another without some kind of traffic control device.

When people won't take a legal left on red in Phila.

Just imagine, you are at a stop light. The one-way street goes from your right, to left. there is a no turn on red sign. What does this imply? That left on red is legal, unless a sign says it is prohibited. I'm a transplant--there are people who have lived here their entire lives and for some reason they don't know how to drive. Ever see people merge in Phila.? They are at a 45 degree angle at the beginning of the ramp, so odd.

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

johnnatash4 wrote:

When people won't take a legal left on red in Phila.

Just imagine, you are at a stop light. The one-way street goes from your right, to left. there is a no turn on red sign. What does this imply? That left on red is legal, unless a sign says it is prohibited. I'm a transplant--there are people who have lived here their entire lives and for some reason they don't know how to drive. Ever see people merge in Phila.? They are at a 45 degree angle at the beginning of the ramp, so odd.

I've lived and worked in the Philly area my entire life and I drive a tri-axle dump truck for a living, you can't begin to imagine what I see every day. First traffic laws are governed by the state, not the city, it's just the city doesn't care what the rest of the state does.

I want to know who thinks dumping slow moving merging traffic onto a high speed road into the left lane is a good idea. That's not the only problem either, most of the city's highways are old and don't have any running lane to get you up to speed for a merge, like more modern highways give, it's do or die. All it takes is the person up front on the ramp to stop then the chaos begins, people pulling out from behind the hesitant car onto the highway causing a near domino effect of carnage. Not a day goes by where there are several accidents on the city's interstates.

I could go on ... and on and on and on ....

I have a friend who refuses to turn right on red, at all. He won't put his signal until the green to keep people behind him from honking.

PA law concerning turn on red.

"When there is a STEADY RED LIGHT, you must stop before crossing the marked stop line or crosswalk. If you do not see any lines, stop before entering the intersection. Wait for a green light before you start.

You may turn right while the light is red, unless a NO TURN ON RED sign is posted at the intersection. You must first stop, check for and yield to pedestrians and other traffic.

You may also turn left after you stop at a red light, if you are in the left lane and are turning left from a one-way street onto another one-way street, unless a sign tells you not to turn. You must first stop and yield to pedestrians and other traffic."

http://www.dot.state.pa.us/Public/DVSPubsForms/BDL/BDL%20Man...

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