Los Angeles to use Stop Sign Cameras

Oh great, I guess it was only a matter of time.

This one is going to get me for sure. I am good about stopping at a light - but in particular when on the motorcycle I am guilty of a "rolling stop" when no traffic is in sight. Bummer. What next?

I have to tell my son about this one.
He failed his first driving test, because of a rolling stop.
Even now we have to yell at him on this one.

that's just not right

I work across the street from a red light camera and I see it go off all the time for "California Stops". That is such a money maker that it makes perfect sense to have them for stop signs also. Not to mention the public safety of hopefully curtailing people blowing through a stop sign and causing an accident.

Without representation is tyranny...someone said this...hehehe

The contract is completely in violation of state law and these will be challenged and removed. I am firmly confident of this.

A California LEO.

It doesn't seem right. I would joing to fight this one.

Dont break the law, then you have nothing to worry
about. EXCEPT Camera Malfuntion!!!

There will be a lot of unhappy/surprised people when it takes place.

Even if you do stop at stop signs, you'll have to be fully stopped before the crosswalk or before the so-called limit line. Else smile your on candid camera

Cameras, Cameras everywhere where will it ever stop give these money hungry blood suckers the scent of a dollar and it will be just like taxes never ending.

DizzyFox

I heard this might be happening, but I am not sure if it will stay for good (right to face your accuser and all). I am guilty of numerous rolling stops myself so I guess I'll have to retrain myself. Someone told me it takes 2 weeks to establish a good habit and much less for a bad one. It will help bring revenue to the city that's for sure. In the meantime, I'll make sure to *smile* when I see one!

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if plan on having signs posted for stop signs the way they do for Red light cameras?

Duel(ing) stop signs

"Warning - Stop Sign Camera Ahead"

BTW - I haven't seen any warning signs for the redlight cameras around this part of Tx. I wish they had them.

Told my son about the stop sign cameras, since he drives in LA. He said he saw them, but they were currently only in a very selected area (street).

Dangerous logic - think about the governments that have used it & still continue to.

You're assuming that all the laws are always justified and should always be enforced without discretion. How would you like a ticket for every time you drove at least 1mph over the speed limit?

look at the bright side guys. we will be able to use our gps to its full potential with all the cameras going up.

I wonder how far the American people will allow things to go before we demand to get our rights back?

I see the cameras, the stop signs cameras as a further concept of taking away our rights. Sure, we shouldn't break the law. But where will the cameras stop?

Isn't it in England...that they have cameras on sidewalks? Is that next for here? Is it that when you go into a public building of any kind... that you will be filmed... and now you are afraid to joke about anything, afraid to have discussions with friends?

I think it's going to far. After we accept this... and that...and that... some day we will wake up and realize we have become a socialist nation much like Russia used to be.

...the last time this thread was at the top, absent a change in the California Vehicle Code, these are in violation of the law. I don't know if they were actually installed after the initial uproar. If you got a ticket from one, it should be a slam-dunk dismissal in court.

Calif. LEO

Dismissal for sure but you will lost a day of work anyway.

That's so crazy.. but at least we'll probably have a POI file with their locations anyway.

Camera on stop sign will definitely catch a lot of people because almost everyone is guilty of doing this. I'll be definitely interested in obtaining a POI on this.

CaptNorm took a picture of one of these stop sign cameras that are out in Santa Monica in the middle of the mountains.... Here is the link to the pics.

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/7603

Miss Poi

do the Californians have an update on this topic? Are the stop sign camera's now omnipresent?

I would welcome these in Philly. Yes, I'm a champion roll-stopper. But I would change b/c it would support making it safer to drive here where ran stop signs or red lights lead to so many auto-pedestrian accidents.

And there are how many other public uses for the government $$$ spent on these remote cameras?

I am not really sure about this one, but I almost got hit by someone did not make a fully stop at the stop sign.

hate those !

of those lights we got out here. On the parkway ramps during rush hour, there's a sign and a light. You stop at the red light then go when the light is green. This particular light has sensors on them pointing to the marked stop line I believe.

We're doing a story on these stop sign cameras. Have you received a ticket or know someone who has at one of these stop signs in Los Angeles? If so, we'd love to tell your story. We're looking into the legality of these.

Thanks!
Nicolette
Producer, CBS2
818-655-2441
nmedina@cbs.com

It is all about the money and they really need every single dollar.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101003/ap_on_re_us/us_stop_sign...

Seems like most of these articles quote the critics as saying that they object to the multiple citations. Perhaps, some city will be smart enough to figure out how to send only one citation (out of the initial multiple citations) and then set up their computer records to send the following citations (assuming there were any) only after a grace period that would be calculated to ensure that the owner of the vehicle had received the first single citation. If a city did this, I wonder what the reaction would be to their fairness?

Note that the person being quoted knew the camera was there.

No doubt other states will follow. And there will be debates for this.

I'm supposed to contact people in the article, or the person that wrote the article, all because I mentioned that the person might mean the stop sign, not the camera?

Last week, I drove up to a stop sign that said it was photo enforced. I thought it was a joke. Apparently, it's not.

http://www.ecriteria.net/eCriteriaSearchCriteriaAction.asp (link not working, trying to fix)

http://photoenforced.com/ "Type" select "stop sign camera," then select Chicago

Is this something that is included in the red light camera poi files?

Don't believe stops signs are included but it looks like we need to have it.

These are tracked, I will be adding these new ones in California to next week's update.

Miss POI

Are the stops signs with the camera tracked?Not the redlight camera when you turn on red with a rolling stop.

Yes I have the stop sign cameras in the file, they are fixed so I track them.

This is the topic I was refering to about stop sign cameras http://www.poi-factory.com/node/30629

I've been reading about the one I saw in Chicago. We already have a thread about it here.

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/28440

I'm going to scrutinize the intersection tomorrow. There's supposedly fine print that says, "soon to be installed" on the sign. I didn't see any cameras either, but I didn't look very hard.

In a reply to Boxcar, you said:
http://www.poi-factory.com/node/29505

I was thinking that we ought to be on a level playing field. I was merely asking you to do something to back up your argument that Wilson did not know a camera was there when the context clearly implied (and in my mind stated) that she did

Thank you Miss POI for keeping track of these for us.

I know I'll let you know every time I hear of one of them being installed or activated.

Bringing up conversations from other threads about other topics with other people is not going to help in this situation.

You're the one that stated she knew the camera was there. You prove it. Simply stating that she MIGHT have meant the stop sign is not arguing, it's pointing out another possibility. If you can't handle that it could be interpreted differently than how you see it, is not my problem.

Why do I have to prove anything anyway? Is this a court of law? Am I on trial?

In Nassau and Suffolk Counties NY we do not have stop sign cameras yet, but the equipment will be exactly the same as the existing red light cameras, which are all full-motion video cameras. They have to be this way to monitor right-on-red or green arrow turns. When authorized, they are ready to install the same equipment at stop signs.

Based on the description in this thread, stop sign cameras could be even more of a surprise to unsuspecting drivers and thus even more lucrative.

Miss Poi, it will work just fine to add the stop sign cameras to the red light camera file.

dobs108

The "photo enforced" stop sign camera in Chicago at Bryn Mawr and Washington Ave is not legit. It does have in small print "soon to be" above "photo enforced." There are no cameras to speak of.

I need some help getting the coordinates for the locations detailed in this report. I don't want to get the locations wrong.

I already have the Temescal Gateway Park location in the file.

Who wants to help me with this?

There are 3 locations and you should be local to the area.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2010/09/26/socal-stop-sign-ca...

Miss POI

We all know that red light cameras are triggered by some kind of sequence between the lights turning red, yellow and green and your location, but I wonder what they use to trigger the cameras at a stop sign.

Maybe something like a radar gun?