ICC 200?

 

We have a major new highway that connects 95 and 270 between Baltimore and DC.

I wonder how long before Garmin catches on? I'll bet right now your Garmin will be re-calculating for a half hour! Could be a record.

Coords, please

We can check it. grin

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I'm a MD resident too. When

I'm a MD resident too. When using my old Garmin 350, it drives what appears off road while heading north on 95, but only for a couple of minutes. The screen shows us slightly off the roadway, but it doesn't bother me much.

I don't plan to use the ICC since it's the highest cost toll road per mile in the nation. Even gave up my EZ Pass since I rarely use it & in MD it comes with a monthly charge.

As you know the road is fully opened tomorrow for toll traffic. Let's see how long Garmin takes to getting an map update!!!

Fred

370 to 29

VicMatson wrote:

We have a major new highway that connects 95 and 270 between Baltimore and DC.

I wonder how long before Garmin catches on? I'll bet right now your Garmin will be re-calculating for a half hour! Could be a record.

from 370 to Rt 29 is on the latest maps. As the second segment was opened after this latest update, I expect it in 2013.1.

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370 to 97

Box Car wrote:
VicMatson wrote:

We have a major new highway that connects 95 and 270 between Baltimore and DC.

I wonder how long before Garmin catches on? I'll bet right now your Garmin will be re-calculating for a half hour! Could be a record.

from 370 to Rt 29 is on the latest maps. As the second segment was opened after this latest update, I expect it in 2013.1.

My version of 2012.3 shows the ICC complete only as far as Route 97.
Mark

Re: ICC

I traveled it yesterday before updating my maps and it showed us off road and only showed the roads we traveled under.

Tolls

FZbar wrote:

I don't plan to use the ICC since it's the highest cost toll road per mile in the nation.

The Delaware Turnpike has a higher per mile toll, it is 35.7 c/mi assuming you drove the whole length. (The effective rate would be higher otherwise). The ICC tolls top out at 25 to 35 c/mi.

FZbar wrote:

Even gave up my EZ Pass since I rarely use it & in MD it comes with a monthly charge.

As you know the road is fully opened tomorrow for toll traffic. Let's see how long Garmin takes to getting an map update!!!

There are a number of E-ZPass issuers that do NOT have a monthly fee.

Regarding Garmin updates, I would expect it to include a new freeway in the next scheduled update. They certainly have been doing a reasonable job updating exits (and even orange construction exit signs in the Junction View) on the I-495 Capital Beltway.

ICC on Garmin map

Box Car wrote:
VicMatson wrote:

We have a major new highway that connects 95 and 270 between Baltimore and DC.

I wonder how long before Garmin catches on? I'll bet right now your Garmin will be re-calculating for a half hour! Could be a record.

from 370 to Rt 29 is on the latest maps. As the second segment was opened after this latest update, I expect it in 2013.1.

The first segment was open to MD-28, not US 29. This section first appeared on the latest Garmin update released about a month ago (about 8 months after the road opened). I expect a similar 6-8 month timeline for the remaining section to be included in the Garmin map update.

Being a Montgomery County resident, I plan to update my maps after the full ICC and the new Father Hurley Blvd "missing link" (opened in August) in Germantown appear.

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dconsolla wrote:

The first segment was open to MD-28, not US 29. This section first appeared on the latest Garmin update released about a month ago (about 8 months after the road opened). I expect a similar 6-8 month timeline for the remaining section to be included in the Garmin map update.

It is likely that there is an internal "freeze" in map changes about 3 months before a map is released for download due to the time needed to prepare and test it. Even so, this is a fairly major new freeway and the open date was well publicized. I would be surprised if the mapping community has not already taken steps to add it, including NavTeq.

Not on Google Earth yet

If it ain't on Google yet, why blame Garmin? People say Google maps are the best... Hmm

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Why do you blame Garmin?

You know Garmin merely buys the map data from Navtek or others and so it makes no sense to blame Garmin. Vic, What have YOU done to correct the known mapping problem?

That's what I get for not checking

baumback wrote:
Box Car wrote:
VicMatson wrote:

We have a major new highway that connects 95 and 270 between Baltimore and DC.

I wonder how long before Garmin catches on? I'll bet right now your Garmin will be re-calculating for a half hour! Could be a record.

from 370 to Rt 29 is on the latest maps. As the second segment was opened after this latest update, I expect it in 2013.1.

My version of 2012.3 shows the ICC complete only as far as Route 97.
Mark

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Toll 200 Freeway is on Google Maps

Juggernaut wrote:

If it ain't on Google yet, why blame Garmin? People say Google maps are the best... Hmm

The MD Toll 200 Freeway has been on Google maps between I-370 and I-95 since late November. You may need to refresh your cache.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ll=39.102357,-77.042313&sp...

Hmmm

Juggernaut wrote:

If it ain't on Google yet, why blame Garmin? People say Google maps are the best... Hmm

Not only is it on Google, it's on my Verizon Navigation.

As far as expensive tolls... you actually save more in gas than you spend on the toll... and that's not even counting the time savings. I never wanted the ICC built; however, I use it every chance I get.

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Google Maps

drbillk wrote:

Not only is it on Google, it's on my Verizon Navigation.

One interesting issue is that while the entire MD 200 route has been visible on Google Maps for about two weeks, it is currently only routable between I-370 and MD-97, aka Georgia Avenue.

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I never wanted the ICC built; however, I use it every chance I get.

That quote reminds me of the folks who hate airports...until it is time for vacation... smile

NavTeq Maps

Frside007 wrote:

You know Garmin merely buys the map data from Navtek or others and so it makes no sense to blame Garmin. Vic, What have YOU done to correct the known mapping problem?

While it is a bit premature to expect a new road to appear already on a map that only has a quarterly release, responsibility is another issue. If, for example, there was a longstanding map issue, it would make perfect sense to blame Garmin for a supplier's problem. After all, who selected that particular supplier? That said, I am content with Navteq, most of the time.

It is unreasonable to expect someone to "do something" to make corrections, if they are not affiliated with a company and not being paid to do so. Sure you might submit a correction, don't hold your breath waiting for it to be acknowledged or accepted.

I think 200 will be a big joke for years to come

I read in the news a month or two ago that every single bridge on I200 has cracks. The bridges will need to be either rebuilt or reinforced. While the bridges are deemed currently safe, they will not last their anticipated lifetime.

(A bridge is any part of the construction that is above ground or above another road - including on ramps and off ramps that are above ground)

I predict that few people will pay to use the toll road on their daily commute to work. It's just not worth paying a thousand dollars a year on saving a little time.

I also think few commercial drivers will find the new highway economically worth paying for.

The result will be tolls will be insufficient, and the tax payers of Maryland will be paying for the road's mortgage - a road that so many did not want to be built.

First of all, always blame

First of all, always blame the company you do business with, not their (mapping) supplier! Common sense don't you guy's think?

Secondly, for the poster that was concerned with the $1.50 a month that MTag charges, you can get one from New Hampshire. You won't be able to add local discounts, but you still can pass a boat load of cars at toll stations!

Now thirdly, Garmin took 7 years, give or take, to edit the maps in several of our congested areas. We have an area south of DC that has at least one accident every day, and it's usually a fatality. 5 years on that one, it's actually safer to turn the NAV off and deal with the many lane changes of death.

On the top of the Baltimore beltway I reported to Google about the left exit being right now, and they fixed it within a week. That one was a killer too.

I think the problem in these forums is the pro-company people, and the people who have no idea what the US's heaviest traveled roads can be like!

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VicMatson wrote:

First of all, always blame the company you do business with, not their (mapping) supplier! Common sense don't you guy's think?

Secondly, for the poster that was concerned with the $1.50 a month that MTag charges, you can get one from New Hampshire.

Or Massachusetts, Illinois, Virginia, maybe Ohio Delaware, New York-Not the PANYNJ)

Pennsylvania Turnpike has a fee, but it is cheaper than MD if you only have one or two tags--it's $6.00/yr per tag.

VicMatson wrote:

You won't be able to add local discounts, but you still can pass a boat load of cars at toll stations!

Does Maryland have any general discounts for MD tags only, other than very frequent crossing programs?

Agree about pinning responsibility on the company you do business with, not the ones they decide to contract with.

It's been quite

It's been quite controversial around here, in the news they focus on the fees, but neglect to mention the discounts available. For example we have 2 tunnels that went from 2 bucks and with the commuter plan was 40 cents, to 3 bucks and with the commuter plan 60 cents. Clearly useful if you only use them some of the time, just do the math.

I just used one State because I vacation there, but yes there are many others. Just wanted all of my Garmin buddies to know about it.

Btw, there are couriers in Maryland that have a Pa transponder and one from Maryland, but there is a lot of grief if you don't protect the one you don't want to be billed when, say, in Pa.

For someone like me, I save 50-100 bucks a month with them both.

And, of yea, the only other

And, of yea, the only other benefit of Mtags is being able to pass many other cars waiting in the smog line!

UPDATE:

I took the plunge yesterday and paid my $3.20 (actually customer paid, it was a rush package). Fantastic highway, but was about the only one using it, way to expensive.

My Garmin froze half way, I think because of some memory leakage, so I re-started it and just used it in map mode. When I got close to Germantown I got a 7 mile left on the unit, and do to the newness it didn't have a clue, but I saw what I thought was a road that I know...bingo Garmin took over!

Defiantly worth the thrill, but anyone using any PND will be very confused until the map catches up.

Next time I'll try with Google Navigation.

Just checked, the ICC is on

Just checked, the ICC is on Google Maps now the whole way, but it won't route using it! Seems to catch on at rt 97.

ICC on Google Maps

VicMatson wrote:

Just checked, the ICC is on Google Maps now the whole way, but it won't route using it! Seems to catch on at rt 97.

Also, the new section doesn't appear until you are zoomed in enough.

Still Not Added

The latest February 2012 map update still does not show MD 200 east of MD 97. sad It opened in late November, which was probably just after the freeze for the February map cycle.

Still though, the opening was forecast for many months prior. It looks like Garmin users will not be able to see the eastern section on their devices until the May 2012 map update, at the earliest.

Lawsuits

telecomdigest2 wrote:

The latest February 2012 map update still does not show MD 200 east of MD 97. sad It opened in late November, which was probably just after the freeze for the February map cycle.

Still though, the opening was forecast for many months prior. It looks like Garmin users will not be able to see the eastern section on their devices until the May 2012 map update, at the earliest.

I'd guess Navteq would want to wait until the road exists before including it on the map update. If construction were delayed and the road not open, I could only imagine the lawsuits from someone claiming that the GPS told them to take the road directly into the construction site and crashing into a crane.....

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Traffic, smog or family??

I have to disagree with some of the post made about the ICC. I travel from Laurel to Gaithersburg everyday and love the ICC. To me, the cost of the tolls outweighs the cost of me sitting in traffic and burning gas going nowhere every day. I get home at least 45 minutes fsster than I used to and that is on a good day for local traffic. My time with my family, in particular my 3 1/2 year old, is worth the few extra dollars. Of course, that is my opinion. Many folks look at the picture in front of them and don't really look at the larger picture that surrounds them. Going in a bit earlier saves me the cost of what the rush hour toll is, thus saving me a bit more. How much is spending more time with your family worth to you? Just sayin.....

On a side note, I bought my EZ Pass in Virginia many years ago when I traveled the Dulles Access Road and the Greenway so I don't get charged the monthly fee from MD. Maybe you should do the same and get one from VA. Same unit, no fee. Safe travels!!

ICC is fixed.

ICC 200 is now on the latest Garmin Map update. I noticed, the same thing on my Nuvi immediately after the ICC 200 was opened. I immediately took an update which was useless, because it was not there. I went on to take about 3 more map updates until I finally got fed up & reached out to Garmin. Garmin in turn told me to reach out to Navteq. I reported it online, & politely gave Navteq a link to GoogleMaps which shows the ICC 200. I also asked in my msg why after about 9 months of icc 200 operation, & about 4 map updates later. They still had no ICC 200. Funny thing is Google try's to map the whole world & it shows the ICC. Heck for fun, when Osama got whacked, I went to google maps & zoomed right to the compound. Yet Navteq, has a map update package for 1 continent, & they can't find a whole highway. Well it is, what it is, & it is, pretty pathetic. Well I reported it online, & got a robot msg from Navteq saying thanks for the input. Just the same I am sure someone at Navteq read it & saw how pathetic they are for not being able to find a whole highway. The smart thing would be for Garmin to hook there wagon up with Google. Then we would really start seeing some real map updates, & fast.

Looks like they added too much!

Judging by the preview map on the Garmin website, it looks like they included a section of MD-200 between I-95 and Virginia Manor Dr which hasn't even opened yet!

I notice I200 on the maps,

I notice I200 on the maps, and it will try to route me onto it unless I set the Nuvi to avoid toll roads.

However, the speed limit is not shown.

I am not on the latest maps, I am one behind.

Cost per mile?

It's been a while, but do you have any references for the cost of toll roads? I can't seem to find what each of them costs per mile.

cost of toll

remember the toll is "variable" according to time of use

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If you're responding to me,

If you're responding to me, I know (I'm the OP that goes by it many times a day/week) . What I'm looking for is a database (of sorts)that one can determine what tolls will cost anywhere!

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It took Garmin (Navteq) a while to put the first section of Route 200 (Inter County Connector) on the map, but much longer to put the section connecting to I-95. That section opened in November 2011, IIRC and appeared in Garmin maps with the August 2012 update.

Google does a great job with its maps and rapid updates. Until a few years ago, Google used Navteq. They switched to TeleAtlas (worse) before finally sourcing their maps in-house.

Garmin Update

It may not take as long as you might think. There's been an extension of US 78 from Memphis to Birmingham under construction for the past 5 or 6 years. It took Garmin a good while to catch up to the newer sections for several years, but more recent map updates have gotten caught up pretty quickly.

road is call "Icc" in Garmin

After updating my maps a few weeks, I drove on the ICC while on my way to BWI Airport. To my surprise, the road is simply called "Icc" on my Garmin (e.g., "continue on Icc for 12 miles") rather than "MD-200" or something more official.