Cloning method Discussion Thread: How to install a map update directly to a SD card.

 

NOTE: This article has been updated and added as a FAQ. Please refer to the updated article here:
FAQ: Garmin Maps | Cloning Method: Install a Map Update Directly to the SD Card.

I posted this over on the GPS Review forum and thought it might be useful to the POI Factory members. This technique was suggested by member Boyd on that forum. I took his idea and tested it with my two nuvis (755T and 855).

You may have already noticed a certain peculiarity in Garmin software. If you have a removable drive on your computer (SD card or thumb drive) and create a \Garmin folder at the root of this drive, then copy the file GarminDevice.xml from your nuvi into this folder, the Garmin programs like POI Loader and my.Garmin.com seem to recognize the removable drive as a nuvi. Boyd speculated that you might be able to use this quirk to fool the map update installer and directly install a map update to a SD card.

It took some experimentation and several tries, but I was able to install the complete map on SD with both of my nuvis. Both nuvis operate correctly with ALL of the NA map data on the SD card. Here is a summary of the steps I used to install maps directly to the SD card:

1) Do a complete backup of your nuvi BEFORE you attempt this procedure. This MAY allow you to recover your nuvi if something goes wrong.

2) Use WebUpdater to make sure you have the latest software on your nuvi before you try this. If you have old software, you will have trouble with the map download because my.Garmin.com will try to do a software update on your (fake nuvi) SD card prior to the map download!

3) Start with a clean SD card in your computer or SD card reader. Make sure it is formatted FAT32. Create the \Garmin folder. Connect your nuvi to the computer in data mode and copy file GarminDevice.xml from the \Garmin folder on the nuvi into the \Garmin folder on the SD card. [Nuvi 8xx series only: Copy the complete ASR folder and its contents from the \Garmin folder on the nuvi into the \Garmin folder of the SD card.]

4) Safely remove the nuvi from the computer, but leave the SD card mounted on the computer. Log into my.Garmin.com. To verify that the SD card is recognized as your nuvi, go to the myDashboard tab and click on "Scan for devices". Your SD card should show up as your nuvi model in the drop down box. (Note: If you didn't remove your real nuvi from the computer as suggested, it will appear twice in the drop down box ... once for the real nuvi and once for your fake nuvi SD card. You won't be able to tell which is which!)

5) On myGarmin, click on the myMaps tab, select the map download link and use option 2 (Map update installer). Proceed to download and install the map files to the SD card. When the map update installer completes, all new map files are on the SD card in the \Garmin folder: gmapprom.img, gmapprom.gma, gmapprom.unl. On some models you will also have files gmaptz.img, gmap3D.img and DnnnnnnnA.JCV (in the \Garmin\JCV folder). Make sure all files are sucessfully downloaded to the SD card before continuing.

6) If your nuvi supports Junction View, this would be a good time to check the DnnnnnnnA.JCV file that was downloaded to the SD card. If you got the small file and want the large one, you may as well replace it now. Use the link provided elsewhere in the forum to download the large JCV file and copy it to the SD card in the \Garmin\JCV folder. Delete the small JCV file that was downloaded by the map update installer.

7) Connect the nuvi to the PC in data mode and delete the following files from the \Garmin folder on the nuvi internal drive: gmapprom.img, gmapprom.gma, and gmapprom.unl. Also delete file GMAP3D.img and the complete \JCV folder and its contents if they are present on your nuvi. [Nuvi 8xx series only: Delete the ASR folder and its contents from the \Garmin folder of your nuvi.]

8) If present, copy file gmaptz.img from the SD card back into the \Garmin folder of the nuvi. [Nuvi 8xx series only: Copy the entire updated ASR folder and its contents from the SD card back into the \Garmin folder of the nuvi.]

9) On the SD card rename the following files gmapprom.img to gmapsupp.img, gmapprom.gma to gmapsupp.gma and gmapprom.unl to gmapsupp.unl. Delete file GarminDevice.xml from the SD card, so it will no longer show up as a fake nuvi in Garmin software.

10) Safely remove the SD card and nuvi from the computer. Install the SD card in the nuvi.

11) Boot the nuvi, go to Tools > Settings > map > map info and make sure the full NA map (and 3D map if your model supports it) show up and are checked.

12) Test the nuvi to make sure all map detail is working.

On the 755T, the detail NA maps, 3D map, and JCV file all work correctly from the SD card. The only file from the map download that has to be on the internal drive is the gmaptz.img time zone file. After completing this procedure with CN NA 2012.30, I had 3.5 GB of free space on the 755T's 4 GB internal drive.

On the 855, the speech recognition files are updated as part of the map update. The easiest way I found to handle this was to copy the ASR folder to the SD card, perform the map install, then copy the updated ASR folder back to the nuvi. These steps are included in the above procedure.

This procedure worked well for me, but be aware that you are removing your detail map files from the internal storage of your nuvi. TRY IT AT YOUR OWN RISK! Note that these steps are for the older 7x5 and 8x5 nuvis that do not have the hidden .system folder and enhanced map naming features. It seems likely that the procedure can be easily adapted to the other nuvi models of this generation like the 2xx, 7xx and 8xx. I am not sure what additional considerations there are for the newer 1xxx, 2xxx and 3xxx models that have the .system folder. If anyone tries this, please post your results here.

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@CraigW - It Works

Here is a screenshot of the 660’s map info page:
http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab32/muell9k/660%20Map%20...

To simplify the route I created a route from my home in NY to the Marriott hotel in Quebec Canada, this used both segments of the map. I entered the address of the Marriott and saved the location in my favorites.
Then selected the favorite and hit go. Surprisingly it calculated rather quickly and showed the arrival time about 8 ½ hours later.

So obviously it can create a route using both segments.

Edited: I did find a flaw in using this method.
Since it lists the two segments of the map in Map Info screen, there is no way to disable one segment only. If you only want to have the lower 48 activated the only way to do that is remove the SD card. You CANNOT only have the Canada, Mexico, Alaska & Hawii activated without unchecking the CN NA 2014.40 map. That will only give you a basemap map.

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Nuvi 2460LMT 2 Units

Wow

muell9k wrote:

Here is a screenshot of the 660’s map info page:

http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab32/muell9k/660%20Map%20Screenshot/660CNNAMapScreen_zps5a1fc4bc.png...

Wow, I never would have expected (or almost believed) that both maps would be controlled with a single check. Thanks for the info with image.

Something Else To Ponder

CraigW wrote:

Wow, I never would have expected (or almost believed) that both maps would be controlled with a single check. Thanks for the info with image.

I suppose the reason for only having one check box is that both maps have the same map ID number so the Nuvi sees it as one map.

Now I'm thinking what if one would use the 2014.40 map for the lower 48 and the 2014.30 on the SD card for Alaska, Hawaii, Mexico, and Canada.
I'm pretty sure that would provide two check boxes for the maps. Unfortunately I have no way to test since I don't have the original files for the 2014.30 map. It's far simpler just to remove the SD card when only needing the lower 48 to speed up the boot time.

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Nuvi 2460LMT 2 Units

1490 Cloning

I just finished cloning the newest map for my Nuvi 1490. Everything seems to be working correctly.
Just have one question; On the map info screen it shows the newer and older maps with a tick mark for each.
Should I uncheck the older map tick mark or should I keep both checked?

Only Check One

Since your new map is on the SD card, I'm assuming its 2014.40, you can uncheck the older map present on your 1490, In fact I recommend doing so.

Another suggestion is you can copy the old map on the Nuvi to your PC as a backup, then delete it from the Nuvi. The map file will be "gmapprom.img" and should be in your .System folder.

Another option is to leave the old map on the Nuvi and just rename it, perhaps "gmapprom.OLDimg.
Using either method above will now only display the newest map (2014.40) in your Map Info screen.

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Nuvi 2460LMT 2 Units

Another thought

edserrano wrote:

I just finished cloning the newest map for my Nuvi 1490. Everything seems to be working correctly.
Just have one question; On the map info screen it shows the newer and older maps with a tick mark for each.
Should I uncheck the older map tick mark or should I keep both checked?

In addition to the advice already given, note that the nuvi 1490 does not need to use the clone method to install a map update to a SD card. The 1490 will be auto-offered the update to SD when the updater determines that the largest map the nuvi is entitled to be received will not fit internally to the nuvi:

https://support.garmin.com/support/searchSupport/case.faces?...

The clone method is generally used for the several models described in the above link that are not offered the auto-SD-update.

Using the Garmin map update to SD option should replace the old map files with the new ones leaving no old map to occupy space and possibly mess up the device's operation. Given that you currently have the old and new maps on the device (I assume the old map is the gmapprom in the nuvi and the new map is gmapsupp on the SD card), it might be best to do the next map update--or redo the current update--with an empty SD card, then let the map updater auto-update the map to the SD card which will remove the old files in the nuvi.

The 1490 can also benefit from replacing the map update's default tiny Junction View file with the large jcv file. Given that the new map is over 2GB and the large jcv is about 0.8GB, I'd use a 8GB SD card rather than a smaller one.

You would thnk that......

If us 'lowely' user's had found out how to get around the 2GB limit (Breaking map into two files, each less than 2GB), that since Express now can determine that a file greater than 2GB won't work on an 8GB Drive, that GARMIN Should be able to automatically break the file and store it into <2GB pieces???

COME ON, GARMIN!!!

Doesn't this also mean that multiple other maps for other locales have the capability to load and stay resident as well? All you'd have to do is enable that area (Europe, etc). Seeing that us 'Lifetime' purchaser's entered a code to enable lifetime NA, why not a "Lifetime World" License, whose pieces would each be less than 2GB...??

Wouldn't that be a new profit center?

Kudo's for the folks that figured that out!!

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A 2689LMT in both our cars that we love... and a Nuvi 660 with Lifetime Maps that we have had literally forever.... And a 2011 Ford Escape with Nav System that is totally ignored!

Cloning

My thought and purpose of cloning and leaving the older map in the Nuvi is; in case there is a problem or something happens to the SD Card, I would still have a functioning map in the Nuvi, even if it is an old map and would still have a functioning GPS.

Same here

Same idea here..
I alternate between two SD cards, and left the 'last map that would fit' in the 660...

This way, I have backup maps for SD can a failsafe backup in the 660.

I did disable the older map in the 660... I found both enabled once...

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A 2689LMT in both our cars that we love... and a Nuvi 660 with Lifetime Maps that we have had literally forever.... And a 2011 Ford Escape with Nav System that is totally ignored!

Lots of great info here. It

Lots of great info here. It would be nice to have a simple set of instructions that are updated as necessary without a huge number of posts.

Just a thought...

Isn't

Isn't that what the FAQ link is in the very top post of each page of this thread which is the opening post of this thread? Or see:

http://www.poi-factory.com/node/39231

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Nuvi 350, 760, 1695LM, 3790LMT, 2460LMT, 3597LMTHD, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, SmartDrive 61 and TomTom XXL540s.

Minor Detail May Prevent Cloning

It seemed sensible to put a Volume Label on the SD card when I formatted it as per the instructions, but GMU v3.3.30 errored out and exited, saying it couldn't find a device to update according to the Setup Log file.

Not finding any good way to delete the Volume Label, I reformatted--this time leaving the Label blank--and everything progressed as described in the procedure.

At ~10 hrs (low bandwidth here) to complete, I'm not planning to retest by duplicating the initial attempt, but offering this experience as another checklist item when troubleshooting.

Error

Error may have been caused by something other than the Volume Label of the SD Card. I have cloned my 3597 on an SD card with the label 3597Clone and it creates the map files and runs perfectly.

I really don't need to clone the 3597 but thought I'd give it a try mainly to see if there were any performance issues reading the map data from a Class 4 16GB card. We just returned from a 900+ mile road trip and it wasn't until I got home that I remembered that the Nuvi was using the SD cards maps. Obviously there was no performance issues as far as I could tell. smile

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Nuvi 350, 760, 1695LM, 3790LMT, 2460LMT, 3597LMTHD, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, SmartDrive 61 and TomTom XXL540s.

Possible Difference

The Volume Label I initially applied included a space (a couple of 'em, actually) in the label.

Most lIkely

That was most likely the problem. Most OS don't like Volume Names that don't match the 8.3 format, with no spaces or symbols. You may use the underscore _ between letters instead of a space.

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Frank Nuvi 3597LMT 37.322760, -79.511267

wow! that is very

wow! that is very interesting, i didn't know that was possible

Great Help

Thank you all.

No FAT32 option

My brand new Dell 8700 computer does not have the FAT32 option when I right click to format. I only have three choices.They are , NTFS, FAT,and exFAT. Am I missing something? My computer is running Windows 7.1 professional

What size card?

reg26 wrote:

My brand new Dell 8700 computer does not have the FAT32 option when I right click to format. I only have three choices.They are , NTFS, FAT,and exFAT. Am I missing something? My computer is running Windows 7.1 professional

What size SD card are you trying to format?

FAT32

We have seen this before with different computers. One way to get around it to format the old fashioned way (command prompt) and use the /FS:FAT32 switch. Open a command prompt window and type the following command, where "x:" represents the drive letter of your SD card:

FORMAT x: /FS:FAT32

CAUTION: be ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN you have the correct drive letter for your SD card. We don't want you accidentally formatting your nuvi internal storage or some other important device!

Edit: CraigW's advice is good (as always). If your SD card is > 32GB it will want to be formatted exFAT and will not work in your nuvi. 8 GB is the maximum recommended size, although many users have successfully used 16 GB and 32 GB cards.

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

Clone process failed woth Garmin 265WT

Garmin methods have failed so I attempted the cloning method. Everything went well except when complete the Garmin 265WT fails the boot process. I get the message "Loading Maps" but the progress bar never quite finishes, probably reaching the "equivalent" of about 95% (more or less).

Thoughts, suggestion would be appreciated.

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John from PA

Welcome

John from PA wrote:

Garmin methods have failed so I attempted the cloning method. Everything went well except when complete the Garmin 265WT fails the boot process. I get the message "Loading Maps" but the progress bar never quite finishes, probably reaching the "equivalent" of about 95% (more or less).

Thoughts, suggestion would be appreciated.

Welcome to The Factory.

It's unlikely that the 265WT can not use the clone method, so there may be a problem with the SD card or the .img map file. I assume you did rename the files on the SD card from gmapprom to gmapsupp as required by the clone method. What size and brand of SD card are you using? What is the size of the installed gmapprom.img file on your SD card (that you manually renamed to gmapsupp.img)? I also assume that you safely disconnected the SD card from the computer at the end of the clone method to ensure that files were not still be written when you pulled the card from the computer.

If the files are corrupt or the SD card bad, you will need to redownload the map update from Garmin. Either use a new SD card or at least format the old SD card using FAT32 before downloading and using the clone technique.

From the link, it appears that the 265WT should be given the automatic installation to a SD card using Garmin Express or GarminMapUpdater, so using the clone method may be adding layers of complexity to your map update that are unneeded:

https://support.garmin.com/support/searchSupport/case.faces?...

Why are you using the clone method rather than letting the map update proceed directly to the SD card using one of Garmin's two map update software programs? The clone technique is basically desired in only two situations: 1) you have an older nuvi (listed in the above link) that is not auto-offered the map update to a SD card; or 2) you want the new map on the SD card while keeping the older map on the nuvi. If done for Reason #2, you will not want both maps to be simultaneously enabled. You will need to go to MapInfo and unselect one of the maps.

One last thought: If you remove the SD card, your 265WT should still boot using the older map that's installed to the nuvi's internal storage. I wonder if the 265WT has a problem trying to load two maps, the old one in the nuvi and the new one on the SD card. You could try disabling the old map on the nuvi, then power down, insert the SD card, and power up. This would leave your nuvi trying to just load the new map from the SD card.

To disable the old map, power up the nuvi without the SD card, tap Tools/Settings/Map/MapInfo, then uncheck the old version of City Navigator North America that's there.

Good luck and report back.

also

You need to delete the device.xml file from the card.

I used the clone method successfully on my 265WT for the last update.

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I finally got the Garmin

I finally got the Garmin process to work. What I was told is that Garmin Express may not initially recognize the SD card. I was told to use MapUpdater and follow the steps below:

Connect to the 265WT, run MapUpdater. Follow the prompts until it says there isn't enough space.
1. Please select the largest region.
2. Please continue and it should start reading your SD card.
3. It will tell you the SD card needs to stay in the device. Please continue and then you should see the map update starting.

Once this process is done, you should have the maps loaded to the SD card. [B]With the next update, Express should see that you are using the SD card and it should be easier.[/B]

This seems to have worked but we will see about the use of "GE" for the next update.

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John from PA

Interesting

John from PA wrote:

I finally got the Garmin process to work. What I was told is that Garmin Express may not initially recognize the SD card. I was told to use MapUpdater and follow the steps below:

Connect to the 265WT, run MapUpdater. Follow the prompts until it says there isn't enough space.
1. Please select the largest region.
2. Please continue and it should start reading your SD card.
3. It will tell you the SD card needs to stay in the device. Please continue and then you should see the map update starting.

Once this process is done, you should have the maps loaded to the SD card. [B]With the next update, Express should see that you are using the SD card and it should be easier.[/B]

This seems to have worked but we will see about the use of "GE" for the next update.

Wow, that's interesting as it seems to be a new-to-us bug with Garmin Express, assuming the reply you got from Garmin Support is correct.

Do you now have all of North America installed to the SD card? Let's hope future updates do see the SD card and flawlessly install all of North America to the SD card.

It appears as if everything

It appears as if everything is installed. At least I can put in a route starting in southeast Pennsylvania to a casino in Las Vegas and it calculates a route.

My initial indication of an issue by the way was a map update late in 2013. The 265 worked fine around home which is southeast Pennsylvania. Two weeks ago I went to Las Vegas and the state of Nevada wasn't even listed, hence I couldn't program an address. Garmin theorized only the "border states" had been installed and this later was verified. Hence the reason it worked at home (Pennsylvania is "near" Canada) but not in Nevada.

By the way, if ever faced with this issue and the inability to update your maps, I found I could input latitude and longitude, as obtained from a web source using my tablet. That would get me reasonably close to my destination.

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asr files

Can anyone point me in the direction to get the ASR files for te 2014-40 map set. trying to update an OEM dodge unit and they are required.

Speech Recognition Files.

Normally the ASR files will be downloaded with your map update, either with Garmin Express or Garmin MapUpdater. However, missing ones are also offered to me via WebUpdater for both my nuvi 855 and 3597LMTHD. They are listed as Speech Recognition files.

So if your OEM Dodge unit is recognized by these Garmin programs as a speech recognition capable device, it seems like they should be offered to you.

How do you apply map updates to the unit?

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asr

the system is updated via usb

However according to dodge /garmin there is no available updates for the car.

however the car has 2012 maps on it so yes we both know other maps will work. Infact I can put the newest Gmapsupp and 3d file on a usb and it will update but I will loose speech . The car is capable of using all.

the workaround with getting maps is to use a 3490lmt (I believe that is the model number)unit and allow it to download the files and then simple put the files on to a usb drive. however I have researched and obtained all files except the ASR files. the one site I found them on only allows 1 download every 6 hours and at a max speed of 50kb/s with 10 total parts you can imagine its been frustrating downloading 105mb files at 50kb/s and it taking 35 minutes to do so, then having to wait 6 hours to do the next. now I wouldn't mind registering/ paying for the site if
1. it was in English
2. even after using translator to enter the right info in the registration purchase fields it still fails.

so I resort to asking for it instead of searching it out as 3 days of searching and all I can find is the one person who posted it. to that site.

to my knowledge the ASR files need to match the specific map pack. as I have 2013-40 but would like to get the 2014-40 files.

and I would rather not buy a navigation unit I will never use besides the lifetime updates and how it downloads them from garmin using garmin express.

which isn't an option as there is no way to interface with the car and computer. ONLY method is via usb.

thanks,

use a laptop

nyintaller wrote:

the system is updated via usb

...

which isn't an option as there is no way to interface with the car and computer. ONLY method is via usb.

thanks,

Try connecting a laptop to the USB and running the updater.

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Should this be discussed here?

nyintaller wrote:

the system is updated via usb

However according to dodge /garmin there is no available updates for the car.

however the car has 2012 maps on it so yes we both know other maps will work. Infact I can put the newest Gmapsupp and 3d file on a usb and it will update but I will loose speech . The car is capable of using all.

the workaround with getting maps is to use a 3490lmt (I believe that is the model number)unit and allow it to download the files and then simple put the files on to a usb drive. however I have researched and obtained all files except the ASR files. the one site I found them on only allows 1 download every 6 hours and at a max speed of 50kb/s with 10 total parts you can imagine its been frustrating downloading 105mb files at 50kb/s and it taking 35 minutes to do so, then having to wait 6 hours to do the next. now I wouldn't mind registering/ paying for the site if
1. it was in English
2. even after using translator to enter the right info in the registration purchase fields it still fails.

so I resort to asking for it instead of searching it out as 3 days of searching and all I can find is the one person who posted it. to that site.

to my knowledge the ASR files need to match the specific map pack. as I have 2013-40 but would like to get the 2014-40 files.

and I would rather not buy a navigation unit I will never use besides the lifetime updates and how it downloads them from garmin using garmin express.

which isn't an option as there is no way to interface with the car and computer. ONLY method is via usb.

thanks,

I don't see how Garmin's City Navigator NA NT map update can work with multiple devices (3490 and a built in vehicle device) unless the map is pirated with its unlock code removed. Having to download from a foreign web site with the map arriving in segments is pretty suspicious as well.

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Excellent thread. I've bookmarked it for reference in case my main memory starts to go.

Thanks Alan!

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asr

THE main part of the software which is the gmapsupp and gmap3d files are all the same and the JCV is the same as well depending on which one you want across the different devices so logically it makes sense why it works.

yes the site is questionable but so is many sites out there and the reason the file is in parts is because it is a total of 800+ mb's and the specific site restricts anything more than 110 or so per file. Many file sharing sites practice the same rules.

anyway anyone can easily search for both locked and unlocked versions of the files.

usb to car

Cant really do that either as the connections are the same on both ends. even if i wired one up to be the same it will not display or connect to a computer like a lets say garmin unit will.

Are they...

nyintaller wrote:

Cant really do that either as the connections are the same on both ends. even if i wired one up to be the same it will not display or connect to a computer like a lets say garmin unit will.

Are they both mini-a (male) connectors?

Reminder

Just a quick reminder about the POI Factory forum rules (http://www.poi-factory.com/node/28855) which read in part:

Quote:

We reserve the right to remove posts or to ban anyone who willfully violates the forum rules.

•Do not discuss pirating maps or other software.

Does your Dodge OEM GPS have the GarminDevice.XML file? SInce you posted in the cloning discussion thread I assume it does. If that is the case, what happens when you run Mapupdater or Garmin Express against the cloned device?

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Very Nice!

Thanks.

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Good to know

Thanks.

Thank you so much!

Using your method and the Garmin Express 3.2.5.0, I was able to clone the 2015.10 Canada and US maps on my Nuvi 660. I did get the message that 2GB was the max that could be handled, but the maps was just over 2gb and loaded.

I found out that as long as I do not try to navigate too much over a 1200 mile distance, everything is fine. Once I try to navigate past that limit, I get an "Out of Memory" error.

For example when I navigated from Florida to Albuquerque (1190 miles), everything worked fine. When I attempted to navigate from Florida to Quebec (1409 miles), I got an "Out of Memory" error. This is really no big deal since I will just pick a point along the route between my destination to navigate to first (when the distance is over 1200 miles) and then reside navigation to the destination from there.

Once again, thank you so much!

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Garmin Nuvi 2699 with 2017.30 Maps

Cloning 660

Glad the cloning method worked for you. I think the "out of memory" issue refers to the operating RAM in your device, not to the on board storage, SD card storage or map file size.

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1490 strange with Large JCV for 2015.10

I have been using the cloning method for maps and the large JCVs on this 1490 since I got it 2 years ago.

I thought something was wierd when driving the other day, so I just ran a Simulate through three interstate off-ramp situations.

The 1490 DOES go to JCV mode, but the screen is blank (bright white) except for the back arrow in the lower left.

Any ideas what is going on?

right JCV file

sethr wrote:

I have been using the cloning method for maps and the large JCVs on this 1490 since I got it 2 years ago.

I thought something was wierd when driving the other day, so I just ran a Simulate through three interstate off-ramp situations.

The 1490 DOES go to JCV mode, but the screen is blank (bright white) except for the back arrow in the lower left.

Any ideas what is going on?

Did you download and install the correct JCV file and is it in the correct location?

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Over 2GB ?

Holydoc wrote:

Using your method and the Garmin Express 3.2.5.0, I was able to clone the 2015.10 Canada and US maps on my Nuvi 660. I did get the message that 2GB was the max that could be handled, but the maps was just over 2gb and loaded.

I found out that as long as I do not try to navigate too much over a 1200 mile distance, everything is fine. Once I try to navigate past that limit, I get an "Out of Memory" error.

For example when I navigated from Florida to Albuquerque (1190 miles), everything worked fine. When I attempted to navigate from Florida to Quebec (1409 miles), I got an "Out of Memory" error. This is really no big deal since I will just pick a point along the route between my destination to navigate to first (when the distance is over 1200 miles) and then reside navigation to the destination from there.

Once again, thank you so much!

That's quite interesting that your 660 was able to read a map over 2GB, my own 660 was never able to do that.

I do think there is a possibility the US & Canada map you have is NOT over 2GB, even slightly.

To confirm, open up Windows Explorer and write down the size of the map displayed in Kilobytes.
For example, 2,080,800kb.

Now go to the link below and type in the numbers in the kilobyte field, do not include the commas (2080800). Now read the size in GB.
The example I showed (2,080,800) indicates 1.984405518 GB.
This size the Nuvi can read. The kilobyte figures may fool you into thinking it's over 2GB when in reality it's not after converting.

Please use the link below and convert the kilobytes indicated by you US Canada map and let me know what the conversion showed.

http://www.unitconversion.org/data-storage/kilobytes-to-giga...

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Nuvi 2460LMT 2 Units

Cloning with Garmin 885

Thanks very much for posting this method, which I used to successfully move the 2015 NA map from my Garmin 885's internal memory to a microSD card (I first replaced the maps on the 885 Lifetime Update device with old 2009 maps from a spare 885).

I had noticed that the (relatively new to me) 885's internal 4Gig space was almost full after the update to the 2015 maps, and that I was getting wonky behavior - freezeups, reboots, sticking on SPELL NAME POI searches, randomly switching from Jack's to Jill's voice, etc.

I assumed that the nearly full 885 drive needed to be cleaned up, and cleared just about everything that could be cleared, but still had a pretty full drive and the same issues.

So I made a backup of the 885 and replaced ALL of its files with those from another 885 that still has 2009 maps. Surprisingly, the 885 booted fine - displayed 2009 maps - and I could tell that it was faster in all searches, etc. For instance, if I 'spell name' in a POI search, it now works seamlessly and does not hang on input of letters. (With the 2015 map loaded in the internal memory, it would take almost 30 seconds for the second letter to "take" - and the device seemed to be hung unless you waited it out.)

So then I updated the 885 to the 2015 maps again, but cloned them to the microSD using the method described here, assuming that the leaner internal 885 memory would fix things.

No luck - there is no difference - the searches hang just as if the map was internal. I'm now thinking that the 885's processor needs time to search the huge 2015 map regardless of whether the map is on the device or an SD card.

I'm almost ready to assume that the 885 is just not "man" enough to handle the huge new maps (it works fine with the smaller 2009 maps) - but it seems odd to me that my Lifetime update Garmin 765 with the same memory will handle the 2015 maps and searches just fine. Maybe it has a better processor than the 885?

I tried to opt for a smaller map on the 885 - East Coast only - but was given a warning that I'd lose TTS unless I downloaded the huge NA map.

I acknowledge that the 885 is old, but I really need the external audio and antenna jacks, and the microphone jack, for my particular application.
Again, the 765 seems to work fine with the big map loaded directly to the device.

Would really appreciate any thoughts?

Thanks.

System Reset?

Have you tried a system reset on the 885 after updating the map? That will sometimes fix odd problems like this.

The 8x5 series is kind of notorious for lockups, reboots and sluggisn behavior, although I have had very little problem with my 855. I always do a hard reset after a map update or any other update. One thing that can cause problems on this model is if you use POI alerts agressively, especially using "Tour Guide" alerts with a large radius on large high density files (like Wifi sites, Macdonalds, etc).

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

Thanks for your thoughts. I

Thanks for your thoughts. I did indeed remove and replace the battery after each update (I think this serves to reset the unit?).
I don't use POI alerts at all (indeed do not even know what they are), but do sometimes type in the name of a business, i.e. Killarney House (restaurant). With the old/small 2009 map, I can enter the entire name and hit DONE and it gives me the hourglass.
With the large/2015 maps loaded, I enter "K" and then "I", but it appears to hangup and the "I" does not insert into the field for about 25-30 seconds. Some subsequent letters appear immediately, some do not.
Again, my 765 does not have this issue.
I purchased two 885s recently, and kind of like the Voice Recognition feature and the brighter screen (than the 765), but am almost ready to deem this a failed experiment if I can't update to current maps without bogging down other functionality.
I wish current units has the aux out and external antenna jacks, as well as the MIC in.

Also, in your excellent method, when you copy the ASR file from the SD to the device (replacing the device's ASR file, I'm assuming you then delete the ASR file from the SD, correct? Your instructions leave a nbit of ambiguity here. And although MapUpdater worked the first time around for me, it will no longer recognize either the SD card OR the device itself, while Express recognizes both.
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Power reset different than hard reset

On the 8x5, removing the battery forces the unit to do a full boot (instead of just bringing it out of sleep mode), but that's not the same as a system reset (hard reset). The hard reset is a little tricky on the 8x5, but DorkusNimrod describes the procedure in detail in this post: http://www.poi-factory.com/node/26136.

Make sure you back up your saved Favorites and routes (file current.gpx) before you do the hard reset.

You can delete the ASR folder and files from the SD card after you move or copy them to the internal storage. They won't hurt anything if you leave them there. I usually remove them.

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Alan - Android Auto, DriveLuxe 50LMTHD, Nuvi 3597LMTHD, Oregon 550T, Nuvi 855, Nuvi 755T, Lowrance Endura Sierra, Bosch Nyon

RE: Cloning with Garmin 885

The 8x5 series is a horse of a different color when it comes to devices that are its contemporaries. The 8x series used Linux as the root for its operating system which in itself is part of the problems you are experiencing. The processor isn't that powerful and gets bogged down quite easily.

Alan speaks of the lockup issues, the one I kept running into was an alert message being delivered at the same time the unit was attempting to give a direction. Most of the time it will function without problems, but throw another message on top of the two and the effects ranged from a complete freeze to the unit operating with the exception the map stopped scrolling.

And yes, removing the battery forces a "cold boot" which is a reset but it isn't a full factory reset. A cold boot can also be initiated by holding the power switch in the off position for about 10 - 15 seconds which is handy if you are driving and the unit locks.

If you are interested in adding alert messages, click on the learn tab. There are instructions both there and under the FAQ tab on adding alerts and icons to your unit.

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"In order to be old and wise, one first must have been young and stupid."

Thank you both for your

Thank you both for your responses. Clearly, I should have researched the 885 more fully before purchasing two used ones. I'll play with them a bit more but may shelve them for the 765, of which I also have a spare. Disappointingly, I just "Lifetime Mapped" one of the 885s.

don't give up on the 885

Kimolaoha wrote:

Thank you both for your responses. Clearly, I should have researched the 885 more fully before purchasing two used ones. I'll play with them a bit more but may shelve them for the 765, of which I also have a spare. Disappointingly, I just "Lifetime Mapped" one of the 885s.

Don't give up on the 885's. They are still some of the better units Garmin produced in that time frame. The voice recognition is a little quirky but much superior to the new units (and I own a 3795). The vocabulary on the 8X5 is quite extensive. Besides the listed commands it understands, it also understands any information posted on the screen. If you are willing to work with the limitations of a dated (6 - 7 years) system, it will continue to give you some great service. The primary reason I upgraded was for a slightly larger screen (5 inch vice the 4.3). I miss the MP3 playback and some of the other features you mention, but the larger screen does have its merits.

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"In order to be old and wise, one first must have been young and stupid."
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