For those who don't believe defragging a NUVI does anything>>>

 

here's my situtation. Ever since hooking up the Ecoroute HD I have had nothing but trouble with my 1490T. The HD screwed up the thing so bad that the Eco Challenge and Mileage Calculations became all but useless. Additionally, the sound on my unit (never a problem before the HD) refused to startup about 85% of the time; necessitating multiple (2-5) restarts before it would finally give directions and beep when buttons were touched.

A hard reset fixed the Eco Challenge and Mileage Calculation problems (thanks for the advice folks) but the sound was never right. Tonight, in desperation, after 4 or 5 hard resets in the last three weeks, I figured WTH and defragged the drive. The sound is working perfectly now. I turned the car on and off three times and it worked...every time...hard to argue a figment of my imagination or the "placebo" effect this time.

Of course, now since I shared this it will probably stop working smile

Ted

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"You can't get there from here"
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Glad that worked for you

Now, should everyone defrag their unit regularly?

Probably not...

However, if you're having problems as Ted was, it's worth a try.

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From what it sounds like,

From what it sounds like, the file pointers got messed up on the internal flash so most of the time the sound didn't work. In this case, a defrag solved your problem by rewriting the pointers, and that's cool.

However, constantly defragging flash memory won't improve performance. Please note, I said "constantly". A defrag once in a while won't hurt. It's the people that believe flash memory needs to be defragged just like a hard drive, every week or every month, that run into problems.

Besides, in your case, you couldn't have made the situation much worse. So it was worth the effort.

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Cool

Glad to hear that the problems have been solved. Have you tried the Ecoroute HD again? Curious because I have a 1490T and am considering buying the HD since the price is now below $100

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Flash Memory is re-written

kch50428 wrote:

Now, should everyone defrag their unit regularly?

Probably not...

However, if you're having problems as Ted was, it's worth a try.

Since a defrag reads, then re-writes the data that's being moved, I suspect the reason for the fix is that critical files that were once sitting on bad or marginal spots on the drive got moved to good spots. I agree, definitely worth a try.

But, subsequent defrags might move a critical file back to a bad spot. So, if its working good, no need to do an unnecessary defrag.

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Most units have a built-in defrag. I would say this is an exceptional case.

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nüvi 3790T | nüvi 775T | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable ~ JFK

No Way...No How>>>>

rocknicehunter wrote:

Glad to hear that the problems have been solved. Have you tried the Ecoroute HD again? Curious because I have a 1490T and am considering buying the HD since the price is now below $100

I will never hook up an HD again...don't care if this one unit was bad or if it is endemic to the gadget...caused me way too many problems.

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"You can't get there from here"

chkdsk

Sounds like a "chkdsk" on the drive would probably have helped too. The file system on a flash drive can get corrupted just like on a hard drive. Unplugging the device from your computer without using the "Safely Remove Hardware" feature can cause file system corruption if a write operation has not completed.

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Hmmm. Wonder if this would

Hmmm. Wonder if this would help the occasional "squelched" sounding .wav TourGuide POI name announcement. I know the .wav files are good. But once in a blue moon, on a reload of the POI files, one of my TourGuide announcements is truncated. Think I'll give defragging a try next time it happens.

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Defragging

How do you defrag your nuvi and will you lose any info?

defrag

Steve620 wrote:

How do you defrag your nuvi and will you lose any info?

Hook the nuvi to the PC. In "My computer" you will see the nuvi as a drive. Right click on the nuvi, choose the tools tap and then choose defrag.

Keep in mind that it may not resolve your problem.
As for losing data. Any defrag is not supposed to. All defrag does is put the files back in a order.

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defragging flash memory

TMK wrote:

...hard to argue a figment of my imagination or the "placebo" effect this time.....

So do you believe that if "A" happens and then "B" happens, that "A" caused "B"? I've had my nuvi go mute a few times. Once it even stayed mute after a hard reset. But it did start working again, without a defrag or any religious ritual, so indeed a mute nuvi can recover it's voice. I'm more inclined to believer that your's decided to start working again too than to believe that defragging a solid state memory solves anything. And if it did make the change, I would have to wonder how and why. And the only theory that I can come up with is that just maybe your flash memory was already starting to fail, and the location of the failure in some way affected the sound (maybe sound data storage, maybe software playback routines, for examples). If that was the case it is pretty likely that you just moved something else into that memory space, and a new intermittent problem will soon show up.

So the advice that solid state memory does not need defragmented to resolve any fragmentation problems is still valid, and it will not speed up GPS operation. If you have failing memory it may indeed change the way that the memory failure manifests itself, but any user should also understand that defragging may read and write each location multiple times (many many times for the poor defragger that comes with Windows) and so even stress failing flash memory more.

It was the first time I ever defragged the unit>>>

Strephon_Alkhalikoi wrote:

From what it sounds like, the file pointers got messed up on the internal flash so most of the time the sound didn't work. In this case, a defrag solved your problem by rewriting the pointers, and that's cool.

However, constantly defragging flash memory won't improve performance. Please note, I said "constantly". A defrag once in a while won't hurt. It's the people that believe flash memory needs to be defragged just like a hard drive, every week or every month, that run into problems.

Besides, in your case, you couldn't have made the situation much worse. So it was worth the effort.

no plans to do it again unless a similar situation arises.

Ted

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"You can't get there from here"

Seeing as how this worked I am not interested in "playing" any>>

Aardvark wrote:

Sounds like a "chkdsk" on the drive would probably have helped too. The file system on a flash drive can get corrupted just like on a hard drive. Unplugging the device from your computer without using the "Safely Remove Hardware" feature can cause file system corruption if a write operation has not completed.

further...BTW, I always use the safely remove hardware feature so in my case that would not be a problem.

Ted

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"You can't get there from here"

So far, everything is still working normally>>>

Frovingslosh wrote:
TMK wrote:

...hard to argue a figment of my imagination or the "placebo" effect this time.....

So do you believe that if "A" happens and then "B" happens, that "A" caused "B"? I've had my nuvi go mute a few times. Once it even stayed mute after a hard reset. But it did start working again, without a defrag or any religious ritual, so indeed a mute nuvi can recover it's voice. I'm more inclined to believer that your's decided to start working again too than to believe that defragging a solid state memory solves anything. And if it did make the change, I would have to wonder how and why. And the only theory that I can come up with is that just maybe your flash memory was already starting to fail, and the location of the failure in some way affected the sound (maybe sound data storage, maybe software playback routines, for examples). If that was the case it is pretty likely that you just moved something else into that memory space, and a new intermittent problem will soon show up.

So the advice that solid state memory does not need defragmented to resolve any fragmentation problems is still valid, and it will not speed up GPS operation. If you have failing memory it may indeed change the way that the memory failure manifests itself, but any user should also understand that defragging may read and write each location multiple times (many many times for the poor defragger that comes with Windows) and so even stress failing flash memory more.

if in fact this is the beginning of a systematic failure I will send it back to Garmin for replacement as it is still under warranty. Better yet, I am hoping Tom Tom hires better 3rd graders to do their graphics and interface methods...then I can just switch over completely wink Do I always believe that A then B then A caused B...no...but I also believe that electronics being what they are it could happen that way even in a solid state device.

My point was simply that this was not a case of perceived "quickness" following a defrag there was an actual benefit following weeks of trouble. Maybe God or the Flying Spaghetti Monster intervened...maybe it was random...all I know is that empirically it did not work before the defrag and does now...that's good enough for me wink

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"You can't get there from here"

Defrag

Had tried defrag in the past with the nuvi as well as a cheap thumb drive. Never noticed any positive effects in doing so!

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Gotta try this on my nuvi

Gotta try this on my nuvi and see...

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-Chris

Well it improved mine

Hi All
my 1490T suffeered from lag and chipmunk voices and complete silence.
I defragged it with the suspicion that the voice rendering just coldnt keep up with the map display.
This in itself suggests an underpowered CPU.

When I did look at the nuvi there was a lot of fragmented space, on a normal HDD defragmentation reduces the seek time and makes sequential file reads quicker (or what they should be). The flahs is an order of magnitude faster than a HDD and can seek to specific addresses in the files so it really shouldnt be affected.

Now why did it work for me?
I believe that the CPU is underpowered and if it spends less time caching the prompts then it can keep up with the map display. This was the case for me.

My situation was most evident when I went of course deliberately forcing a recalculation, it did eventually catch up but it was quicker to reset and force it to resync map and voice that way.

It didnt solve the problem of volume dropping or locking up on the volume control, but at this point it did improve the voice prompt issue I had.

Defrag is good

I remember defragging my Nuvi 350 a while back, since I felt it was sluggish and definitely saw an improvement. I still made a complete backup .. just in case something went south.

MyDefrag has a special option for defragging flash memory

My 1490T has been feeling a bit sluggish after updating to 4.50. So, after reading this thread I decided to defrag it. It definitely feels better now. Screen painting feels smoother, and taps feel more responsive. From now on I will probably do a defrag after each software/map update.

MyDefrag (www.mydefrag.com) is an excellent free utility. The author knows what he is doing. MyDefrag has a special option for defragging flash memory. I used it to defrag my nuvi 1490T internal memory. I have used this program to defrag my desktop and laptop for years.

Screenshot 1 - MyDefrag set to defrag internal memory in my nuvi. Notice the words of wisdom written by the author in the upper right corner.
http://cid-c6483e8a197b8356.photos.live.com/self.aspx/GPS%20...

Screenshot 2 - memory map of nuvi before defragging
http://cid-c6483e8a197b8356.photos.live.com/self.aspx/GPS%20...

Screenshot 3 - memory map of nuvi after defragging
http://cid-c6483e8a197b8356.photos.live.com/self.aspx/GPS%20...

Black is free space.
An interesting feature of MyDefrag is that you can point to any place on the memory map and it will tell you what file is stored there.

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FYI, I had already deleted excess language files to make room for updates, Custom POI, and to improve performance. In addition, after updating firmware, I delete GUPDATE.GCD (26MB after fw 4.50 on my 1490T) so there is more free space available. This is discussed here...
http://forums.gpsreview.net/viewtopic.php?p=137860#137860

File corruption can happen, this is acknowledged by Garmin

Aardvark wrote:

Sounds like a "chkdsk" on the drive would probably have helped too. The file system on a flash drive can get corrupted just like on a hard drive. Unplugging the device from your computer without using the "Safely Remove Hardware" feature can cause file system corruption if a write operation has not completed.

Garmin acknowledges file corruption here...
http://www.garmin.com/garmin/cms/site/us/support/searchsuppo...

Quote:

Q: Why does my nuvi 1000 series device display the message Loader Loading during power up after an attempted software update

A: If your device is displaying the message Loader Loading during power up, the file that is used to update your device may have become corrupted.

To fix this problem, please follow the steps listed below to remove the update file from your device.

Defrag

jakas wrote:

I remember defragging my Nuvi 350 a while back, since I felt it was sluggish and definitely saw an improvement. I still made a complete backup .. just in case something went south.

I agree 100%.

Be sure you BACK-UP your GPS unit before doing anything like this.

In fact, it's prolly not a bad idea to back occassionly anyway just for the heck of it.

It may save you from having to send your unit back to Garmin to have some important files restored.

Quarantine Bad Blocks In FLASH Memory

This thread reminds me of a USB Thumb Drive that I once had that I knew had a bad spot in it. There was one file that if I tried to access (say by copying to a hard drive) would cause Windows to hang for quite a while before it either succeeded to copy the file, or gave up with an error message. Having backed up the contents of the drive, I deleted all the files, then copied a bunch of medium-sized files on the stick until it was full. Then I tried copying the entire stick back to the hard drive. Again, one of the files caused problems. To save the stick, and make it usable, I deleted all the files except for the one troublesome file, then renamed it to "Do Not Delete". The assumption is that the "Do Not Delete" file will sit on the bad spot and not move around. (Note: a defrag might move the file, and expose the bad spot) As a matter of luck, the bad spot wasn't in the FAT or file pointer area which would have really messed up the drive.

That was when USB sticks were awfully expensive for their capacity. Nowadays, if I have a stick that starts to exhibit this bad behavior, I just stop using it. Unfortunately, a Nuvi is just like the USB sticks of old. If there is a bad spot in its FLASH memory, you'd like to save it, because the Nuvi isn't cheap.

A useful utility might be one that automates the manual procedure I described above, and winds up with a sacrificial file sitting on the bad spot. I've tried Googling and found just one utility so far, but it is not a free program. Still looking for a freebee.

How do I fix bad sectors on a flash drive?

akapauan wrote:

... a Nuvi is just like the USB sticks of old. If there is a bad spot in its FLASH memory, you'd like to save it, because the Nuvi isn't cheap.

A useful utility might be one that automates the manual procedure I described above, and winds up with a sacrificial file sitting on the bad spot. ...

According to guru Leo Notenboom of Ask Leo, the procedure you described may not be valid for flash memory.

http://ask-leo.com/how_do_i_fix_bad_sectors_on_a_flash_drive...

Quote:

... Most flash memory chips have error detection and correction built in, using a variety of techniques to avoid you ever seeing any defects on the device.

Well, that is until the device has so many problems that the error correction logic simply can't compensate any more.

What that means is that if you are seeing simple read/write errors, CRC errors and the like - either from the operating system or your own tests, then the device is much worse off than you think. In my opinion you're on the verge of serious failure and data loss.

Hence: buy a new one.

Unfortunately tools like chkdsk, scandisk and the like are unreliable when it comes to scanning flash drives for what on a hard disk would be called a "surface error". Flash drives aren't hard drives, and don't live, or die, by the same rules.

...snip...

One of the advanced techniques that flash drive manufacturers now use is called "wear levelling". This means that while you or the operating system might think you're writing to a specific location on the device, the device itself is randomly re-mapping the actual physical location. For example, you might think you're writing to sector #23 over and over again, but in order to balance the wear across the entire device to maximize longevity the flash drive circuitry is moving where, exactly, sector #23 lives each time you write to it.

That means the file that you think has the bad sector today might not have it tomorrow - it could show up somewhere else entirely.

A lot depends on exactly how each specific flash drive is designed as well. Some have wear leveling and some do not. Most have error correction. Exactly how the error correction might happen, and how or when errors become visible, will vary a great deal not only on the specific error, but also on the specific manufacturer and design. ...

defragged my 765t

Thanks for the link to the free program.... I just defragged my 765T. While running it I noticed a directory called LOST.000 (or somesuch). It had one file 327M, so I deleted the directory and file. I imagine that was junk left over from a failed update a few months ago.

Had to do a dir/a to confirm the file was there as it was hidden. I was wondering where all the free space had gone!

Larry

Knowledgeable members

This site never ceases to amaze me. The technical info found here is better than any manual. I did not even know that you could defrag flash memory.Anyone tried it on the 265wt yet?

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Just hooked up my nuvi 500

Now when I type, the lag is gone. Nice wink

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Striving to make the NYC Metro area project the best.

Defragging is usually a bad idea

bpaine wrote:

This site never ceases to amaze me. The technical info found here is better than any manual. I did not even know that you could defrag flash memory.Anyone tried it on the 265wt yet?

Search defragging on this site and you'll see other threads about the topic. Overall it is a bad idea. The point of this thread is TMK had a serious problem with his Nuvi after trying to use his Ecoroute HD unit. After defragging his Nuvi started working correctly again. For the most part defragging a flash memory is a useless endeavor, but on very rare occasions it may fix a problem that eludes all other resolutions.

Moral of the story. Defrag you GPS only as a last resort.

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Very interesting thread

and wonder what DorkusNimrods opinion of all this is rolleyes

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rocknicehunter wrote:

Moral of the story. Defrag you GPS only as a last resort.

I would agree with your synopsis.

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nüvi 3790T | nüvi 775T | Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable ~ JFK

agreed

Juggernaut wrote:
rocknicehunter wrote:

Moral of the story. Defrag you GPS only as a last resort.

I would agree with your synopsis.

Since defrag involves moving data around, there's always the chance that good data might get corrupted in the process. Doing it as a last resort, yes, but not as a maintenance routine.

Have to agree...I am not advocating defragging as a regular>>>

rocknicehunter wrote:
bpaine wrote:

This site never ceases to amaze me. The technical info found here is better than any manual. I did not even know that you could defrag flash memory.Anyone tried it on the 265wt yet?

Search defragging on this site and you'll see other threads about the topic. Overall it is a bad idea. The point of this thread is TMK had a serious problem with his Nuvi after trying to use his Ecoroute HD unit. After defragging his Nuvi started working correctly again. For the most part defragging a flash memory is a useless endeavor, but on very rare occasions it may fix a problem that eludes all other resolutions.

Moral of the story. Defrag you GPS only as a last resort.

excercise but I was out of ideas and figured it could not hurt...worked very well for my particular problem...YMMV!

Ted

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"You can't get there from here"

Once was it for me

All that was fragmented was the maps I loaded and the archive files. Otherwise, most of the stuff in there is static, so there's no reason to do this again. The POIs are all on the SD memory chip. And of course I made a complete backup first...

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Striving to make the NYC Metro area project the best.

I seriously doubt the defrag

I seriously doubt the defrag did anything to fix the issues.

Something else probably may have caused the issues to "seem" to go away.

Uneducated guesses about a "defrag" fixing data is pretty crazy. I have never heard of defrag ever fixing data on a computer, let alone a GPS.

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Who knows...

Mine appears to be acting better. Maybe real, may be Memorex.... I don't know. It was free and it made me happy. I don't need much more than that...

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I am a man of reasonable intelligence>>

nuvic320 wrote:

I seriously doubt the defrag did anything to fix the issues.

Something else probably may have caused the issues to "seem" to go away.

Uneducated guesses about a "defrag" fixing data is pretty crazy. I have never heard of defrag ever fixing data on a computer, let alone a GPS.

nothing "seems" to be working better it is in fact working better...I know the difference between "turn left on Main Street" coming from the unit and silence...of course it could just be the voices...but my doctor said they should not come back until next February...plus mine sound like Linda Blair in The Exorcist not British Daniel!

Whatever makes you think that the rest of us are uneducated is a tad snooty...but hey, that's just me.

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"You can't get there from here"

My two cents

Corsair (a memory producer) says you would have to write to EVERY BLOCK on a flash drive 2.7 times per day for 10 years to get 10,000 write cycles. This equates to writing 21G to an 8G drive every day for 10 years.

I don't think an occasional defrag is harmful at all. It won't fix all of your problems, won't regrow your hair, won't get you a date with Miss Poi... But it may speed up booting a bit if things are really fragmented. I ran it once, may do it again in a year or so if things slow down a bit. I'll never run it daily or weekly for 10 years!

Have you ever heard of anyone ruining flash memory by writing to it too much? The number of 'toasted by defrag' GPS and flash drive units is probably equal to the number of swimmers who drowned from cramps... by entering the water before 1 hour was up.

Larry

Once...

larry_larry wrote:

The number of 'toasted by defrag' GPS and flash drive units is probably equal to the number of swimmers who drowned from cramps... by entering the water before 1 hour was up.

I rode a roller coaster right after lunch. I got to keep lunch too! wink

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Ecoroute HD

Gah!! I JUST ordered an Ecoroute HD for my 1490T about 20 minutes ago...now I'm nervous! I was feeling pretty good about it because I found one for $80 (new)....but now I'm wondering if I just bought myself a bag of trouble.....

I've been lucky with my 1490T - had it for almost a month now & haven't had any of the problems others had reported with this unit - it's been 100% reliable so far (I did the firmware update right away) & I've used it for a couple of hours a day.. The free traffic reporting is outstanding, and its a lot faster than my old C340 Road Pilot.

Oh well, I'll keep my fingers crossed......

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"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks" ~ Excerpt from the notebooks of Lazarus Long, from Robert Heinlein's "Time Enough for Love"

yes you can defrag

if can read & rite it can be defragged solid sate or not. this is not the first time we have discussed this . here we go again rolleyes

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Ecoroute HD

ddmau wrote:

Gah!! I JUST ordered an Ecoroute HD for my 1490T about 20 minutes ago...now I'm nervous! I was feeling pretty good about it because I found one for $80 (new)....but now I'm wondering if I just bought myself a bag of trouble.....

I've been lucky with my 1490T - had it for almost a month now & haven't had any of the problems others had reported with this unit - it's been 100% reliable so far (I did the firmware update right away) & I've used it for a couple of hours a day.. The free traffic reporting is outstanding, and its a lot faster than my old C340 Road Pilot.

Oh well, I'll keep my fingers crossed......

Tell me, why would anyone want an Ecoroute HD.

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Where?

ddmau wrote:

Gah!! I JUST ordered an Ecoroute HD for my 1490T about 20 minutes ago...now I'm nervous! I was feeling pretty good about it because I found one for $80 (new)

I haven't seen it for that low yet. Where did you get it?

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Why? Why not?

rthibodaux wrote:

Tell me, why would anyone want an Ecoroute HD.

For the same reason someone would want a Scan Gauge II, KIWI, or any of the other performance monitoring devices.

That KIWI app looks pretty cool... works with the Droid/BT too.. and for $100.

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nuvi 1690 with ecoRoute HD, SP2610 (retired), Edge 305, Forerunner 405

Food For Thought -

This is all good food for thought! Something to keep in mind if there is a "last resort" that has to be taken.

Thanks to all.

In my case I am an information junkie and toy freak :) >>>

rthibodaux wrote:
ddmau wrote:

Gah!! I JUST ordered an Ecoroute HD for my 1490T about 20 minutes ago...now I'm nervous! I was feeling pretty good about it because I found one for $80 (new)....but now I'm wondering if I just bought myself a bag of trouble.....

I've been lucky with my 1490T - had it for almost a month now & haven't had any of the problems others had reported with this unit - it's been 100% reliable so far (I did the firmware update right away) & I've used it for a couple of hours a day.. The free traffic reporting is outstanding, and its a lot faster than my old C340 Road Pilot.

Oh well, I'll keep my fingers crossed......

Tell me, why would anyone want an Ecoroute HD.

hard to say if anyone else will have problems...I read the reports here in detail and everyone seemed happy...my experience was awful...but, worst case scenario...hard reset plus defrag and you will be back to normal...at least I finally am smile

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"You can't get there from here"

Hmm!

cellmerch wrote:

Had tried defrag in the past with the nuvi as well as a cheap thumb drive. Never noticed any positive effects in doing so!

I would not call a nuvi a "cheap" thumb drive unless you paid <$10 for yours. As for me, my nuvi is much more expensive than a thumb drive. grin

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Ecoroute HD

rocknicehunter wrote:
ddmau wrote:

Gah!! I JUST ordered an Ecoroute HD for my 1490T about 20 minutes ago...now I'm nervous! I was feeling pretty good about it because I found one for $80 (new)

I haven't seen it for that low yet. Where did you get it?

I found one on eBay yesterday from a seller who buys merchandise from bankrupt businesses. He offered a buy-it-now price of $80.99 & free shipping (brand new)....so I jumped on it. He's a Platinum seller with 99% Positive feedback, so I thought it would be worth the chance.

I don't know if he has any more, but here's the URL for the auction - he may have more in his store:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370423880...

As to the question about why I would want an Ecoroute HD in the first place: I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Motor-head, always have been. I've always worked on my own vehicles, and still do. I love to putter around in my garage with my bikes, cars & truck - its my hobby.
I've got more tools than many professional garages do - and know how to use them. If I had the money - I'd have a full-blown Dynomometer in there as well ☺

Anyway.... the ability to monitor fuel pressure, manifold pressure, intake air temps, etc. in real-time is a dream come true for someone who likes to fiddle with modern computer-controlled engines. I have a couple of hand-helds to load various tunes into my vehicles, so it will be another tool to monitor the results.....

There are a number of other products that do basically the same thing, but most are pretty expensive (average over $500), and would require an additional display. For me - this was the perfect solution and a bargain to boot.

Drive safe.

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"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks" ~ Excerpt from the notebooks of Lazarus Long, from Robert Heinlein's "Time Enough for Love"

NY

rocknicehunter wrote:

Glad to hear that the problems have been solved. Have you tried the Ecoroute HD again? Curious because I have a 1490T and am considering buying the HD since the price is now below $100

Here in NY all the major chains still want north of $200 for the 1490T. Where do you find them under $100?

Edit: or is it for the accessory you are talking about?

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Ecoroute HD

The MSRP for the Ecoroute HD unit is now <$100, not the 1490T. Sorry for any confusion.

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Accessory not GPS

Thanos_of_MW wrote:
rocknicehunter wrote:

Glad to hear that the problems have been solved. Have you tried the Ecoroute HD again? Curious because I have a 1490T and am considering buying the HD since the price is now below $100

Here in NY all the major chains still want north of $200 for the 1490T. Where do you find them under $100?

Edit: or is it for the accessory you are talking about?

The accessory.... and given the amount of data that is available, that is a great price, almost scary.

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John Nuvi 750 765T Winnipeg, MB

Defrag

I didn't know it was necessary to defrag a flash drive. Good info to know.

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