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Something, that reminds me of old days in Soviet Union, where you needed government permit to do any travel.

...The state Senate yesterday voted 40-0 to expedite consideration of legislation introduced by state Delegate Tom Rust (R-Herndon) and Senator Mark Herring (D-Leesburg) allowing the use of automated ticketing machines to fine people up to $600 for driving on a road without a state-approved purpose...
...Under existing statutes, drivers who have "airport business" may use the access highway. Such purposes are not clearly defined, but the airport grounds include a hotel and gas station that many frequently use in order to escape the increasing cost of the adjacent toll route. Because a machine is unable to determine purpose, Rust and Herring's bill would automatically convict any vehicle owner who receives a bill in the mail...

source: http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/30/3038.asp

But of course, you can take matter to court and defeat ticket. Well, not really:

...The law admits no defense to the charge made against the vehicle owner other than proving the car had been stolen or supplying the name of someone else who may have been driving...

So you are damned unless you supply somebody else in your place. It is fascinating, where it will stop. But seeing what kind of "law" is being pass lately I don't have big hopes.

How does a machine know why you are on the road?

I am not sure how the machine could know what every car was doing on the road. Does not make sense to me.

Can you say Obamaland

grzesja wrote:

Something, that reminds me of old days in Soviet Union, where you needed government permit to do any travel.

...The state Senate yesterday voted 40-0 to expedite consideration of legislation introduced by state Delegate Tom Rust (R-Herndon) and Senator Mark Herring (D-Leesburg) allowing the use of automated ticketing machines to fine people up to $600 for driving on a road without a state-approved purpose...
...Under existing statutes, drivers who have "airport business" may use the access highway. Such purposes are not clearly defined, but the airport grounds include a hotel and gas station that many frequently use in order to escape the increasing cost of the adjacent toll route. Because a machine is unable to determine purpose, Rust and Herring's bill would automatically convict any vehicle owner who receives a bill in the mail...

source: http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/30/3038.asp

But of course, you can take matter to court and defeat ticket. Well, not really:

...The law admits no defense to the charge made against the vehicle owner other than proving the car had been stolen or supplying the name of someone else who may have been driving...

So you are damned unless you supply somebody else in your place. It is fascinating, where it will stop. But seeing what kind of "law" is being pass lately I don't have big hopes.

The government is not your friend

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I'm confused...

Double Tap wrote:

Can you say Obamaland

What does this have to do with President Obama? It's a Virginia state issue, and the legislation was introduced by both a Republican and Democrat. I guess some people will gripe about him even when he isn't involved, as long as it gives you a reason to gripe.

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Hmm

Somehow, I don't think this would pass a Constitutional test.

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I guess those of us living

I guess those of us living in VA know who to vote against and who campaign against. I guarantee all of my friends will know who these two idiots are and they won't be voting for them. They should count their days left in office because they are now numbered.

We don need no steenkin Constitutions.. eet's for a greater good

schvidah wrote:

I am not sure how the machine could know what every car was doing on the road. Does not make sense to me.

They admit it can't so they covered that with "Because a machine is unable to determine purpose, Rust and Herring's bill would automatically convict any vehicle owner who receives a bill in the mail..."

But they have had police with binoculars watching and timing cars traveling past the airport loop for at least 15 years as I recall. If you didn't spend enough time they would ticket you, as a coworker found out.

Juggernaut wrote:

Somehow, I don't think this would pass a Constitutional test.

Not a factor. Too trivial, and using their roadways are a privilege .. Similar justification for the current ban on radar detectors in VA. Only 1 in (insert your guess here) people use a radar detector as a proactive cautionary warning of upcoming roadside activity. The vast majority have the criminal intent to avoid a speeding ticket. So everyone is assumed guilty. Most Lemmings clearly agree.

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Crazy

grzesja wrote:

Something, that reminds me of old days in Soviet Union, where you needed government permit to do any travel.

...The state Senate yesterday voted 40-0 to expedite consideration of legislation introduced by state Delegate Tom Rust (R-Herndon) and Senator Mark Herring (D-Leesburg) allowing the use of automated ticketing machines to fine people up to $600 for driving on a road without a state-approved purpose...
...Under existing statutes, drivers who have "airport business" may use the access highway. Such purposes are not clearly defined, but the airport grounds include a hotel and gas station that many frequently use in order to escape the increasing cost of the adjacent toll route. Because a machine is unable to determine purpose, Rust and Herring's bill would automatically convict any vehicle owner who receives a bill in the mail...

source: http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/30/3038.asp

But of course, you can take matter to court and defeat ticket. Well, not really:

...The law admits no defense to the charge made against the vehicle owner other than proving the car had been stolen or supplying the name of someone else who may have been driving...

So you are damned unless you supply somebody else in your place. It is fascinating, where it will stop. But seeing what kind of "law" is being pass lately I don't have big hopes.

What if you just took a wrong turn or were lost or whole slew of other reasons that you could be on the road but not to avoid the tolls.

crazy?

Moose135 wrote:
Double Tap wrote:

Can you say Obamaland

What does this have to do with President Obama? It's a Virginia state issue, and the legislation was introduced by both a Republican and Democrat. I guess some people will gripe about him even when he isn't involved, as long as it gives you a reason to gripe.

Easy it's a socialist Ideal, and that falls right into BHO hands. so he is involved, he makes it possible!

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Whatever

This is a GPS forum. Take your politican comments elsewhere.

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Take your politican comments elsewhere?

dave817 wrote:

This is a GPS forum. Take your politican comments elsewhere.

The thread started off with:
Something, that reminds me of old days in Soviet Union, where you needed government permit to do any travel.

Dave you seem to have had a shiver go up your spine, you need to read the whole thread and not read selectively. I could have used the word communist but dumbed it down for those of you that happen to like that Ideal817, I don't.
And censorship falls right into it Dave.. I was just replying to other posts, the way I see it even if you don't.

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What do you expect ?

BobDee wrote:
dave817 wrote:

This is a GPS forum. Take your politican comments elsewhere.

The thread started off with:
Something, that reminds me of old days in Soviet Union, where you needed government permit to do any travel.

Dave you seem to have had a shiver go up your spine, you need to read the whole thread and not read selectively. I could have used the word communist but dumbed it down for those of you that happen to like that Ideal817, I don't.
And censorship falls right into it Dave.. I was just replying to other posts, the way I see it even if you don't.

There are many net nannies on this forum, I have learned to ignore them. Come November many will just shrivel up and go away smile

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"Ceterum autem censeo, Carthaginem esse delendam" “When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”

Can you say ridiculous

Can you say ridiculous connection between a STATE legislature and the President?

As far as I know Politics is not a POI, either.

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