I did a search and I didn't find my answer, so I am asking.
If the airline allows the gps to be on, has anyone ever tried it? What does it show? Does it show the 'car' moving VERY fast across the map, so fast that you can't even tell where you are on land? How fast did the speedometer go?
As the 'guy up front', and a trained cartographer, of course I have played with personal GPSs in the cockpit.
Before we had digital moving maps in the cockpit, I stuck mine to the windscreen to be aware of the ground features that aviation navigation charts don't generally display. I'm the kind of pilot who will inform you of the route using cities or parks, instead of VORS....
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Captain, I want you to know that some of us really appreciate information from the cockpit. Thanks.
I also do not reset my maximum speed. It is presently 558 mph, from a Southwest flight from Tampa.
Looks like many airlines are putting WiFi in the aircraft for internet surfing during flight. It would be hard for them to justify no GPS but allow transmission of RF for the WiFi.
On a recent United flight, the flight attendant gave a thumbs up to using a GPS as long as it was FCC part B compliant. Having that information (from the spec page) was sufficient. Definitely needed a window seat to pick up satellites in the 757.
I've taken my old eTrex Vista on the plane several times. If they allow the use, I'll fire it up. Funny to have the speed show around 500mph.
That's great I could not get my Vista to work.
With the Vista if you travel x amount from your last position you have to search for satellites from a new location.
Since I did not fire it up until well after takeoff I was not sure of our exact location.
Never could get a sat read.
Looking forward to trying the Nuvi.
I recently used my 60CSx on a flight and it was incredible. The track back feature was also cool when I downloaded it to MapSource. The speed did however max out on mine.
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On a flight to Spokane Washington form LAX I tried setting Spokane as my destination on my 760 and as stated earlier it kept recalculating. I then set the 760 to pedestrian mode, off road mode, and it solved the recalculating problem...[/quote]
I've learned more about GPS fun and frolic in this single thread than in anything else I have read on this and other forums! For instance, I have a nuvi 760 and it never occurred to me to use 'off road' and pedestrian' mode together for ANYTHING, much less use it in an airplane - the ULTIMATE off road experience.
I guess I just assumed that ALL pedestrian travel was 'off road'. On the contrary, as near as I can tell in simulation mode ( it's kind of hard to actually do off-roading in downtown Cincinnati), the difference between off-road auto and off-road ped. is about 37 MPH. HO-HO-HO!! Nuvi calculates travel time in ped. mode at 3 MPH and in auto. mode at 40 MPH. Other than that, the route - a straight line between start and end points - is exactly the same.
yes it works great the magellan 800 .showed 650 miles per hour..should the states below and road..work great very interesting get the window seat..
I read this topic last night and happened to be taking an allegiant flight this morning.
Have nuvi 265w I turned it on about 30 minutes in to my flight. It took about 5-10 minutes for it to acquire a signal. I held it to the window (I hid it when the steward’s came around) turned all sorts of different directions and it just didn’t want to acquire it. So I gave up and set it on my knee and after a few minutes it started tracking. Kinda weird after all my effort. It was moving pretty fast along the map. I zoomed out a manageable distance and had fun with it for a bit. Max speed is at 484 now. If you would like a pic or video of my next flight let me know and Ill try it again.
Its been great wandering around the site!!!
Some airlines show a sort of "you are here" screen as one of the options on the in-flight entertainment system. If you've seen that, then you have a pretty good idea what your GPS will look like if you have it on during the same flight.
I did this LOL i have my max speed at 554 mph i tell people i did that at the speedway LOL
what im curious of is what if an astronaught took it into space.. would it still register being so close to the sattelites? or to the moon?
what im curious of is what if an astronaught took it into space.. would it still register being so close to the sattelites? or to the moon?
The satellites aim their signals down, so it would only work if you were below them. You would have to be significantly below the sats in order for your GPS to pick up multiple satellites.
>Looks like many airlines are putting WiFi in the >aircraft for internet surfing during flight. It >would be hard for them to justify no GPS but allow >transmission of RF for the WiFi.
Not necessarily. Wi-FI is up around 2.4GHz and GPS uses 1.57542 GHz (L1 signal) and 1.2276 GHz (L2 signal). They may have found that the higher freq. doesn't interfere as much with the onboard systems.
Most devices that receive a modulated signal need to generate a copy of that signal's carrier to pull the modulation back off. There are exceptions of course, like demodulating AM) That's why even receivers have to be turned off. Their signal generating circuits tend to be leaky and radiate some of their signal.
On flight tests in our Bonanza, we have to avoid dialing in certain Instrument Landing System (ILS) frequencies because the leakage from the ILS receiver causes the GPS to lose satellite lock.
I just did this on a US Airways flight to Cancun and back using a 660. My "Max" speed on the trip detail page is now set at 587 mph. I refuse to reset it.
It is pretty cool to use since many times you see major roads, rivers, lakes, cities, etc. and wonder what they are - not know the flight pattern - and this helps greatly. We were flying at 42,000 feet -based on the GPS - so thngs may not match up exactly to the maps perspective. I did not zoom in, but I bet that would look pretty interesting as you say.
BTW - I used the route planner (set to direct path) just to see how the flight pattern compared to the direct line route. Have fun!!
LOL I can imagine the cop that wants to see your GPS when they pull you over.....587 Max speed
Thanks for the link MM. I was wondering which airlines allow the use. I flew US Air and American and they both announced before the flight that GPS's had to be turned off.
Both airlines allow you to use the GPS after you have gained over 10,000 feet altitude.
I plan on flying for my next vacation to CA in July or so. I don't know which airline I will be using - since I am still shopping for a good deal. I will love to bring my GPS along. For the Garmin, I heard that you should change the setting to "off road".
Yeah I fly out at the end of the month, I'm going to try it also. It doesn't transmit any waves so I don't see why it would be an issue.
I'm assuming you're talking about an automotive unit. Certainly an IFR certified unit mounted in the panel does not cause this problem.
I used my Garmin 750 on a Southwest Airlines flight to Baltimore a month or so ago.
The airline brochure in the seat pocket gave a list of approved and unapproved devices. (GPS were specifically approved, but only at cruising altitude (when flight attendant announces its ok.)
Worked well at a window seat (note that my other GPS, an older Magellan Sportrak got no signal at all.)
As others have noted, very neat to be able to tell what cities I was looking at... a couple times the pilot announced the city, but of course, I had already known it well ahead of time!
One tip... don't try to use your road routing while flying... at the high speeds, the constant recalculating ended up crashing my unit, and I had to restart it.
We drove back from Baltimore, and it was funny to see the breadcrumb trail from the flight actually cross our road path several times.
I would think that at least one other person should have a GPS to make sure the pilots don't overshoot their destination.
...and in fact war surplus equipment from WWII and Korea is still in use today. ...
Only in aircraft of that era. Certainly not true in any recently designed cockpit. Those old tubes and other components took up so much room there wasn't room for much equipment.
DFW to Ohare in Chicago on Oct 15th. My Nuvi 200 now shows a speed of 590 MPH. This was on an MD 80 aircraft at 34,000 feet.
Old thread, I know but with the recent overflight by Northwest flight 188 (overflew Minneapolis by 150 miles) I dug up my old screenshots of my Nuvi 660 I took on a round trip from MSP to SEA last year.
Airline was Sun Country (they allow GPS units to be used in flight)...
Link shows the map page (in off-road use) of us returning to Minneapolis (MSP) as we cross the border between North and South Dakota. The satellite map page shows us at 39,752 feet altitude.
31 foot accuracy while traveling 585MPH.
I was an Aviation Electronics Tech with the Navy & I remember when we started installing GPS on our aircraft. I still find GPS technology amazing. And amazingly simple to use.
I used my Garmin 265WT on a Delta airlines flight to Detroit. I was zoomed out enough to see the topography. It was pretty neat watching the map and landscape below match pretty close. My top speed was 505mph.
The stewardess walked by and just smiled. I almost told her that I'd let her know if the pilots missed Detroit...
a friend of mine saw this thread and decided to bring his gps on jet blue. he said he mounted it on the window from the runway until eventually the airplain reachead a crusing altitude. the flight atendant aske him to put it away becuase " people were getting nervous"
Had a ball with my 680 on a recent trip from MD to AZ and back. Southwest airlines lists GPS on the seatback card as "acceptable" electronic devices.
I disabled the bluetooth, wasn't sure about that.
I did not stick it to the window, I just held it there until it would lock the signal, then it usually worked from the tray.
I always enjoy seeing where we are in the flight.
Why use a Road GPS in an airplane?
I used my GPSMap60 once, but could not get the pilot to stop for geocaches!
1. Door to cockpit is locked.
2. Aviation GPS requires an external antenna. (I'm not going to drill a hole thru the skin, would you?)
3. My garmin is way cheaper than an FAA approved GPS.
I used my Nuvi 660 on a flight from San Francisco, CA to New York, NY.
What fun! I zoomed way out and set the Nuvi to off road. It showed where we were and how fast we were going - accidentally erased my 579 mph - direction headed.
I had a great time on the going and return flight. Sure would be nice if there was a GPSr in each seat on every flight. Boy oh boy - that would be ANOTHER reason for a special charge.
Hope you get to try it and have fun.
There is a GPS in the back of each seat in the plane we went to London in 2005. Not sure what kind of plane (I'm sure my husband could tell you) but it was so nice watching just where we were and how fast we were going.
I would say that almost all international flights - at least the ones going over an ocean - have a GPS display in every seat. I know that all my flights to Europe had a display showing you where you are in mid-flight.
I saw this thread early in the week, but did not have a chance to reply until today.
For my job I traveled 90% of the time in a given week. I had Delorme Street Atlas loaded on my laptop and a Garmin III+ in my bag w/pc cable. Due to the amount of traveling I was premier with the airlines, so I would ask the flight attendant immediately if I can use the GPS. Only a handful said NO, even fewer said let me ask the pilot. It was fun tracking the plane, not on it's screen, but on a map program via laptop.
From memory, the altitude matched the pilots announcements, "We have reach our crusing altitudue of xxxxx feet." And the speed of the plane varied by aircraft and by FAA flight plans and instructions. I think the fasted I took my GPS was 630+ - it's still in the GPS memory - kewl... It was interesting and fun when pilots allowed air traffic over one of the audio channels and I was tracking via GPS.
Happy Turkey Day all!!!
Recalculating, Recalculating, Recalculating.....
I have used my Zumo 550 on a plane. I have had speeds up to 600 mph. You will end up zooming out in order to tell where you are on the map. You cannot put in a destination because your unit will always be recalculating because the flight does not follow the roads. However you will get a pretty good eta.
A space shuttle would fly WELL below a GPS satellite. I can't say from experience, but I see no reason why a GPS couldn't get a fix on a space shuttle. Their relative distance from the earth wouldn't be terribly significant to a satellite 12000 miles from the earth's surface.
The 4 flights from US to Europe on American did not have GPS or TV displays in any seat. The British Air had them in the seat backs. Sure makes for a nicer flight on British Air!!
Going to use my GPS. Have owned one for years, and it never occurred to me to use it on a plane. lol, I used one all the way to the airport, and just never thought twice to turn it on in air.
I have tried my 770 on a plane a couple times and both times I could not get a signal. Maybe I was just in the wrong spot?
although I will be flying with Lufthansa soon, too bad they disapprove GPS use on board ... I wanted to check it out myself too hehe
These are some interesting posts to read.
I did use my GPS over the summer when I flew from Atlanta, GA to Mason City, IA. It's always nice to know "where am I"
I used my garmin once on a Southwest Airlines flight about 2 years ago. I forget the speed but it was around 400 mph and at 35,000 feet the garmin tracked my location just fine if I held it up to the window. Beleive most airlines that have the tv screen have a station that looks like a gps screen and shows general location and speed. I think the last time I flew Frontier they had it.
Next time I fly I will try the GPS, just so I can be aware what we are flying over.
I flew SW Oct 2009. At that time it was completely allowed above 10000 feet, as were other electronics as well( mentioned right in their brochure). It worked fine(I had an external antennae on the window. Had readings as high as 35000ft and at times over 600 mph. FUN
EVA Airline is OK with GPS use. The instruction in the in-flight magazine just request that they are off during take-off and landing and anytime the plane is below 10000 ft.
Download an airplane from the Garmin Garage so at least it looks like you are flying and your car is not driving 500mph It's also funny to put your GPS into walking mode and see it say "Walking 500mph"
I tried to get my Nuvi 350 to work but I get no signal when I am up in the air. surprisingly it worked on the ground in India when I used mymapindia maps on my unit. I was unable to enter in an address. I had to look at the map and select where i need to go or use my favorites.
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