"69 percent of Americans support the use of red-light cameras"

 
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That's because . . .

69% of people have yet to get caught by a red light camera.

Until you are involved in an accident; Or you get a ticket for doing something very typical, like travelling 2 over the limit people tend to be supoprtive of the enforcement technology.

Too bad it isn't about safety.

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No Way

The margin of error of a Speedometer isn't even that close out of the factory on a new car. Plus maybe just about 70 percent of folks actually are responsible drivers, and believe in following instructions (speed limits). So I think you have it Backwards and 30 percent don't follow the law, and find themselves defending their actions caught by a camera and not being supportive of the enforcement technology. Revenue just happens to be a spin off, and I have no problem with that.

So Slow down, Stop behind the stop Bar and keep your POI file updated.

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This is what I do at speed

This is what I do at speed cameras: I slow down to half the posted speed. Yes, it's a pleasure watching the long trail of cars behind. Naturally this ticks off the locals. If enough get upset then they'll vote to get rid of the damned things.

So do your part, really sloooooow down. The polizei won't make any money and you can do a crossword puzzle while you drive.

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Yikes

Can you say Road Rage, by lots of people, heck they aren't going to get rid of the camera. It's you they have in their sites fixed on, with a stunt like that.

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what

I must have not get the chance to express my opinion

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I don't buy it

You can prove ANYTHING with statistics. It's all about how you word the question and who you poll. Maybe the question should be worded like this:

"Would you vote for a politician who put 3 red light and speed cameras on your route to work?"

I actually don't have a big problem with the cameras, the methods of use and enforcement are VERY flawed.

I love them!

With out them we would not have this great site!!!

3 cheers for the red light camera!!! smile

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Referendums tell a different story

The issue has been put to a vote in a number of localities and the cameras have never won, to my knowledge. I wonder who initiated this "survey".

Why not

I stop at red lights and don't speed, now if he beat his wife i wouldn't vote for him. There could be one at every light on my way and it wouldn't matter.

So slow down, and when you see the Caution cycle start begin to stop. and don't worry about them.

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Red Light

Gary A wrote:

If you can believe this story out of New Orleans:

arrow http://www.cityofno.com/pg-1-302-city-story-viewer.aspx?storyid=720

Yea I can believe it, people get tired of almost getting run over at intersections by people who think yellow means "keep on truckin'"

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I have...

I have gotten a RLC ticket from NYC, and I do support them. I ran the light - it was in Manhattan, late at night, and I wasn't paying attention when the light changed. It was close, but I went through the red and deserved the ticket. In the end, don't run a red light, don't get a ticket.

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True

Moose135 wrote:

I have gotten a RLC ticket from NYC, and I do support them. I ran the light - it was in Manhattan, late at night, and I wasn't paying attention when the light changed. It was close, but I went through the red and deserved the ticket. In the end, don't run a red light, don't get a ticket.

How true, don't run a red light, don't get ticket.

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Support

I support the idea. I don't support the people who control them. There's talk in my area that they're going to put the cameras at busy intersections. Which I think is a good idea. Too many people run the lights. There have been 12 accidents in the last month at one corner due to someone running the light.

But the people who would be in control are corrupt. And not the typical corrupt. For example, the chief of police is now being investigated for a drug smuggling ring as well as a gun smuggling ring. The entire department is being investigated for jury tampering dating back to 1985 (that's a lot of criminals who can claim a mistrial). And numerous cases of police brutality.

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Most of the studies are done

Most of the studies are done by organizations / people with a hidden agenda to promote red light / speed cameras.

I support having more police officers on the street, prventing accidents and actually pulling people over and stopping their bad behavior right there and then, rather than a machine that simply sends a fine weeks later after the fact.

Police officers can stop a bad behavior immediately and save lives. Cameras simply generate revenue and does not prevent drunk drivers / bad drivers from harming others.

People who think cameras are a better solution than actual officers are high.

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IMHO

BobDee wrote:

So slow down, and when you see the Caution cycle start begin to stop. and don't worry about them.

In most localities, the yellow caution light means "proceed with caution". Check your local laws of course.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/yellow+light

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Cameras

I totally agree.

We need Law Enforcement Officers on the street, not cameras. Red Light cameras are not only generating revenue for the entities but for the COMPANIES that sells and maintains them as well. They are not there for safety!

We just recently shot them down in Mississippi. A move that I am in favor of 100%.

nvm

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Yellow Light

Texas Law
"b) The operator of a vehicle facing a flashing yellow signal may proceed through an intersection or past the signal only with caution.

(e) An operator of a vehicle facing a steady yellow signal is warned by that signal that:
(1) movement authorized by a green signal is being terminated; or
(2) a red signal is to be given."

A "Thesaurus" definition is not the law.

There are three kinds of

There are three kinds of lies: Lies, damned lies, and statistics. A statement usually attributed to Samuel Clemens.

Here's a link to the original report. http://blog.pos.org/2009/05/poll-shows-strong-national-suppo... I can come up with a different conclusion from the ones New Orleans did based on my own prejudice.

They surveyed 800 likely voters by phone. The question was, "Do you support or oppose the use of red-light cameras to detect red-light runners and enforce traffic laws in your state’s most dangerous intersections?"

Note the last qualifier. In other words, it does not extrapolate to any redlight camera at any intersection.

Breakdown shows 45 percent "strongly supported" and 24 percent "somewhat supported." It's difficult to simply lump together and say 69 percent support for any redlight camera under any circumstances.

I looked up Public Opinion Strategies. They started out doing political campaign management. O-kay....

The only driver behavior change I see for a speed camera (which wasn't part of the study) is that people slow to 10 to 20 mph below posted speed, creating traffic congestion.

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Not quite simple

Moose135 wrote:

In the end, don't run a red light, don't get a ticket.

Yesterday, I "ran a red light." My mistake was not accounting for an idiot who slowed without any obvious reason. Maybe paranoid about a speed camera.

When I entered the intersection, the light was green. While a lot of us crept behind the slow driver, the light turned yellow as I crossed the midway mark. The light turned red before I could get out of the intersection.

Depending on how overzealous a law enforcement officer is, I could've been a big target for a ticket.

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No way

I just can not believe this is a correct number. We hate them in Lafayette, LA!

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Red Light Cameras

Do they work? Yes. The stats show accidents decrease at intersections with the Red Light Cameras.

Are they Lawful? No. In a criminal court a picture cannot testify against you. A person must testify a picture cannot. They get around this part of the evidence code by making it a civil infraction. But in the end it's the same outcome.

Do I like them? No. The setup can make the timing wrong and literally thousands of citations have been thrown out of court. It is a money generating machine for cities, nothing more.

The feds have a standard for the length of time the yellow light must be on before the red light. This is 1 second for every 10 mph. Turn down the yellow light by 1/10 of a second, and you generate an additional $50,000. It's done all the time just to generate more money.

Good news is that I now live in a state that has no red light cameras.

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No you didn't

spider_elliott wrote:

When I entered the intersection, the light was green. While a lot of us crept behind the slow driver, the light turned yellow as I crossed the midway mark. The light turned red before I could get out of the intersection.

In most jurisdictions, you didn't "run a red light". If you entered the intersection when it green, you are not penalized. I know the RLCs in NY work that way - you only get "flashed" if you cross the stop line after the light turns red.

Now on the other hand, I suppose an officer could stop you for entering the intersection when your exit wasn't clear, but that's different from running a red light.

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The main things I don't like about the cameras is you can only hope an honest person calibrated it and hope the car behind you is also paying attention and not too close. There wouldn't be a need for them if people would driver better and wait their turn.

I'd like to see more intersections have those countdowns on the crosswalk signs so you know how many seconds until the light changes. I see most people slow down when it's close and not punch it to beat the light. Those really help in busy areas where the intersection is backed up. They've kept me out of gridlock situations.

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Yellow Light Time

Racer X wrote:

The main things I don't like about the cameras is you can only hope an honest person calibrated it and hope the car behind you is also paying attention and not too close. There wouldn't be a need for them if people would driver better and wait their turn.

I'd like to see more intersections have those countdowns on the crosswalk signs so you know how many seconds until the light changes. I see most people slow down when it's close and not punch it to beat the light. Those really help in busy areas where the intersection is backed up. They've kept me out of gridlock situations.

You can figure how long the yellow light will be on. It's federally mandated to be 1 second for each 10 mph of posted speed. A 35 mph street will have a yellow light for 3.5 seconds.

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Statisticalness

“People can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. Forfty percent of all people know that.” Homer Simpson

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no

alpine1 wrote:

Do they work? Yes. The stats show accidents decrease at intersections with the Red Light Cameras.
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Don't buy into the lie that they work. There was a study from a story posted here that showed a state sponsored study of red lights, and 1 year after install, that accidents had gone up, not down.

Here's a link to the discussion with the story http://www.poi-factory.com/node/21626

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http://www.poi-factory.com/node/21626 - red light cameras do not work

you must be a rocket scientist or something on the side

denversao wrote:

I totally agree.

We need Law Enforcement Officers on the street, not cameras. Red Light cameras are not only generating revenue for the entities but for the COMPANIES that sells and maintains them as well. They are not there for safety!

What the different cities need is, people that drive responsibly on the streets, then the cameras wouldn't generate revenue. That is a move I am completely in favor of by 100%.

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I Dont believe in New Orleans..

Gary A wrote:

If you can believe this story out of New Orleans:

arrow http://www.cityofno.com/pg-1-302-city-story-viewer.aspx?storyid=720

These Numbers are about about as Fake as the Numbers during Katrina.

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You must be reading a different book

alpine1 wrote:

You can figure how long the yellow light will be on. It's federally mandated to be 1 second for each 10 mph of posted speed. A 35 mph street will have a yellow light for 3.5 seconds.

The Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices, which is the only federal standards for signs and signals only states there will be a transition period. Nothing about it being any length, only that there will be a transition signaled.

Now, the Institute of Traffic Engineers has guidelines on setting the timing of a signal including the yellow duration, but it is not 1 second for every 10 mph. I'll have to ask my Traffic Engineer for the formula, but there are a lot of variables that go into setting the duration and speed is only one.

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They are better then speed cameras

I certainly like the red light cameras better then the speed cameras. For the most part, I think we all try to stop at red lights, but your speed can creep up quick if you are not paying attention.

Red-Light Cameras

This issue with the cameras will not go away, It is simply a case of obeying the law as given, or suffer the consequence.
No law is perfect, but we do not abolish laws because not one is perfect.
This is why we have Judges to interpret the laws, and if by chance, remote chance they side with you, then walk away happy, as long as you know for certain that you DID NOT break the law.

I was in South America in Guyana which is a third world country, just a few months ago doing some missions work, and they have digital count down timers to let you know when the light is about to change.
I believe that would be a viable asset to out traffic lights in the USA.
Let's end this debate and all of us just pile onto my boat and go crusing on Lake Erie and watch the sunset. But I guess it takes forums like these to keep Miss POI with something to do when Mr. POI gives her a hard time.

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You Must Be....

Well I retired 16 years ago, they may have changed a few things since then. There was also a federal requirement that all traffic enforcement patrol cars be all white or black and white, with a seal of the enforcement agency on the drivers door.

Are those gone also?

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If you ain't got pictures, I wasn't there.

Not me. Money makers for

Not me. Money makers for the company and the city is all they are good for.

colors

alpine1 wrote:

Well I retired 16 years ago, they may have changed a few things since then. There was also a federal requirement that all traffic enforcement patrol cars be all white or black and white, with a seal of the enforcement agency on the drivers door.

Are those gone also?

its going this way. "undercover" cars are showing more often and they are rather not painted in any specific color. white or black and white colors you can see only on "official" patrol cars.
and there is more and more plain clothes cops in unmarked cars.

The cameras should be banned

No one is suggesting that the need to stop at a red light be eliminated, just that enforcing them with cameras be eliminated. 14 states currently have such bans. See list:

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/27/2769.asp

And yes, we do abolish bad laws, such as photo enforcement. This is done by getting lawmakers to change it, or by having referendum issues put on the ballot, usually by collecting signatures of registered voters. So far, the cameras have not won any of the referendum votes that I know of.

Arizona published some story

Arizona published some story about how the speed cameras here were reducing the # of accidents. Unfortunately for the truthfulness of the article, I read that accidents are pretty much down throughout the country, as is traffic overall. Thus, to conclude it's from speed cameras (not present throughout the country) is bogus.

I've not read anything that I think reasonably says these cameras are anything more than money makers.

Politics

Folks step away from the keyboard and pickup a petition form! Tell the politicians to get rid of the cameras and raise your taxes!

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Politics and Taxes

onestep wrote:

Folks step away from the keyboard and pickup a petition form! Tell the politicians to get rid of the cameras and raise your taxes!

Raising taxes is preferable to the cameras, as it would share the burden among everyone, instead of the unlucky people who get caught by a short yellow ligth. More preferable is that the politicians spend the money they already recieve more wisely so that the additional money is not needed.

69 % of America supports the use of red-light cameras, is Crap

onestep wrote:

Folks step away from the keyboard and pickup a petition form! Tell the politicians to get rid of the cameras and raise your taxes!

you forgot and take away services and close parks and rec areas (pools).

Just slow down, drive the speed limit, stop at red lights and load your GPSr with the POI Factory Camera Files.

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That is the problem.

spider_elliott wrote:
Moose135 wrote:

In the end, don't run a red light, don't get a ticket.

Yesterday, I "ran a red light." My mistake was not accounting for an idiot who slowed without any obvious reason. Maybe paranoid about a speed camera.

When I entered the intersection, the light was green. While a lot of us crept behind the slow driver, the light turned yellow as I crossed the midway mark. The light turned red before I could get out of the intersection.

Depending on how overzealous a law enforcement officer is, I could've been a big target for a ticket.

It's not the red light camera but the short yellow lights that cause the problem. The yellow is supposed to be a warning that the light is turning red. If the yellow is too short, it doesn't serve its purpose.

HA!

I have a hard time believing that 69% of people with half a brain support red light cameras.

How true

Quote:

The margin of error of a Speedometer isn't even that close out of the factory on a new car.

How true that is... Our GPS's are more accurate than the car's speedo anyways.

Sorry, NO improvement

alpine1 wrote:

Do they work? Yes. The stats show accidents decrease at intersections with the Red Light Cameras.

Now look at the stats for accidents OUTSIDE of the intersections. Particularly from rear end collisions.
IIRC it is somewhere between 4x and 10x.

Improvement? My posterior!

May you get what you wish for

BobDee wrote:

I stop at red lights and don't speed, ... There could be one at every light on my way and it wouldn't matter.

So slow down, and when you see the Caution cycle start begin to stop. and don't worry about them.

May this come to pass and may you get bit at every one of them by 2 1/2 second yellows. I think you will then change your mind.

Until we have a federal law stipulating the 1 second per 10 MPH yellow time, I'm agin' them! Until then, they are all just unsafe money makers.

Not in Maryland

alpine1 wrote:

Well I retired 16 years ago, they may have changed a few things since then. There was also a federal requirement that all traffic enforcement patrol cars be all white or black and white, with a seal of the enforcement agency on the drivers door.

Are those gone also?

I think that may have been a State requirement. There have always been "unmarked" patrol cars of all types in Maryland. Both Rockville and Gaithersburg City marked police cars are mostly a silverish blue color. Maryland State Police drive a greenish brown marked patrol car.

Get Involved!!!

Sure, don’t run red lights, don’t speed, yada, yada, yada…

OR

Vote out the politicians who support RLC's! This is the only way RLC's will disappear in your local area. Attend town hall and city council meetings and ask them to go on record if they do/do not support RLC’s. This November, ask the candidates if they support RLC’s. Get involved and vote the RLC’s out!!!

My new anti-statistic quote

9 out of 10 people involved in a gang rape enjoy it.

Doh! That'll get 'em thinking.

Paul

Great Idea

npittari wrote:

Sure, don’t run red lights, don’t speed, yada, yada, yada…

OR

Vote out the politicians who support RLC's! This is the only way RLC's will disappear in your local area. Attend town hall and city council meetings and ask them to go on record if they do/do not support RLC’s. This November, ask the candidates if they support RLC’s. Get involved and vote the RLC’s out!!!

Let's vote them all out. Then scrap the RLC's and make GPS's.

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Referendums work too.

npittari wrote:

Sure, don’t run red lights, don’t speed, yada, yada, yada…

OR

Vote out the politicians who support RLC's! This is the only way RLC's will disappear in your local area. Attend town hall and city council meetings and ask them to go on record if they do/do not support RLC’s. This November, ask the candidates if they support RLC’s. Get involved and vote the RLC’s out!!!

Agree that we should elect politicians who do not support cameras whenever possible. Better yet is putting the actual question of whether to allow cameras on the ballot. Here is an article listing some of those efforts:

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/28/2837.asp

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