GXM30 Antenna?

 

Hey guys,

I just got my antenna in the mail. It's required so that I can receive XM radio/Nav-traffic/Weather/Stock updates in addition to being my nav antenna.

I opened the box and noticed that this thing is HUGE. It's like a hockey puck!

So, I'm contemplating mounting locations.

I drive a 1998 Subaru Forester. It's got a roof-rack with a tire mounted up top and two bike trays. My current XM antenna is located front-and-center on the roof right above the rearview mirror. The size of the GXM30 and the shape of the roof at that location (slightly curved) won't allow me to place the new antenna there.

But, since it's so large and awkwardly shaped, I was hoping I could do something else with it.

Does anyone have any experience dash-mounting this particular antenna?

I know they say you need a "line-of-sight" to the sky, but exactly how literal should I take that?

I know BMW guys using CarPC's mount GPS and XM antennas inside the third-brake-light housing on the rear decklid. I haven't heard complaints.

Here's my thought. On the dash, I have a compass/temperature/barometer readout. It's in a nice little plastic shell and it fits well. I haven't taken it apart recently, but I THINK there is enough room for me to mount the antenna between the pod and the compass unit. Would I significantly reduce the effectiveness of the GPS antenna by mounting it under a 1/8" sheet of plastic and having it on the dash?

My other idea is to pull down the overhead map-light pocket and stick the antenna to the underside of the roof skin beneath the headliner. It would be totally hidden here as well, but would that thin sheet of metal be enough to severely hinder the performance of the antenna (and thus my GPS)?

Does anyone have any experience with any of this?

Sorry for the long-winded post!

Phil

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Kenwood DNX7100

I just sit mine on the dash.

I just sit mine on the dash. I take the extra cable and tie it up so if it moved it does not have to far to go before it stops. I have not had any problem with it going anywhere because of the weight, I guess if you are in a crash that could change things.

If it's going to be inside

If it's going to be inside the cabin, it has to be out-of-sight. Real estate on the Forester dash is at a premium. I'd have to have it front-and-center, and that would reduce the efficiency of the winshield defroster. In the corners, it would just fall back. Plus, I DESPISE wires running throughout the cabin. That's one of the reasons I got the Kenwood. iPod integration so I can leave the cables tucked away and keep my iPod in the arm-rest.

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Kenwood DNX7100

GXM30 XM ANtenna

jamahosky wrote:

I just sit mine on the dash. I take the extra cable and tie it up so if it moved it does not have to far to go before it stops. I have not had any problem with it going anywhere because of the weight, I guess if you are in a crash that could change things.

Hi Jamahosky.

Do you subscribe to the XM NavTraffic ?

If so... what is your opinion of the Traffic service ?

I have tried it several times and fin dit pretty much useless.. not to mention EXPENSIVE.

Tim

Location

bac5.2 wrote:

Hey guys,

I just got my antenna in the mail. It's required so that I can receive XM radio/Nav-traffic/Weather/Stock updates in addition to being my nav antenna.

I opened the box and noticed that this thing is HUGE. It's like a hockey puck!

So, I'm contemplating mounting locations.

I drive a 1998 Subaru Forester. It's got a roof-rack with a tire mounted up top and two bike trays. My current XM antenna is located front-and-center on the roof right above the rearview mirror. The size of the GXM30 and the shape of the roof at that location (slightly curved) won't allow me to place the new antenna there.

But, since it's so large and awkwardly shaped, I was hoping I could do something else with it.

Does anyone have any experience dash-mounting this particular antenna?

I know they say you need a "line-of-sight" to the sky, but exactly how literal should I take that?

I know BMW guys using CarPC's mount GPS and XM antennas inside the third-brake-light housing on the rear decklid. I haven't heard complaints.

Here's my thought. On the dash, I have a compass/temperature/barometer readout. It's in a nice little plastic shell and it fits well. I haven't taken it apart recently, but I THINK there is enough room for me to mount the antenna between the pod and the compass unit. Would I significantly reduce the effectiveness of the GPS antenna by mounting it under a 1/8" sheet of plastic and having it on the dash?

My other idea is to pull down the overhead map-light pocket and stick the antenna to the underside of the roof skin beneath the headliner. It would be totally hidden here as well, but would that thin sheet of metal be enough to severely hinder the performance of the antenna (and thus my GPS)?

Does anyone have any experience with any of this?

Sorry for the long-winded post!

Phil

You DO need a line-of-sight location for the antenna. If anything gets in the way of the XM signal, you'll lose the signal. Even the thin sheet metal of your car will block the signal.

I have mine mounted on the box of my truck. When I had it on the roof of the cab, whenever I traveled NE, I lost the signal. The box was blocking it. So, in general, anywhere the antenna can "see" a full 360 deg is the place to put it.

And yes, it is a pretty large unit. Get the right location for it and you'll enjoy the features it has to offer.

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America Moves By Truck --- Streetpilot 7200 & OOIDA --- www.accutracking.com userid= poifactory password= guest; "Don't gamble; take all your savings and buy some good stock and hold it till it goes up, then sell it. If it don't go up, don't buy it."

What makes you say it's

What makes you say it's worthless? Do you live in an area where they offer coverage? Thankfully, I don't HAVE to subscribe to the traffic service, so if it doesn't work well, I can always cancel it.

I live outside of Washington DC and commute within DC, Baltimore, and Frederick almost exclusively. XM's headquarters was a few blocks from my old apartment. Plus, with the Kenwood, it will re-route around traffic. It's only a few bucks more a month.

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Kenwood DNX7100

Ideas?

EagleOne wrote:

You DO need a line-of-sight location for the antenna. If anything gets in the way of the XM signal, you'll lose the signal. Even the thin sheet metal of your car will block the signal.

I have mine mounted on the box of my truck. When I had it on the roof of the cab, whenever I traveled NE, I lost the signal. The box was blocking it. So, in general, anywhere the antenna can "see" a full 360 deg is the place to put it.

And yes, it is a pretty large unit. Get the right location for it and you'll enjoy the features it has to offer.

The box vs. the roof?

I'm not sure where to mount it. If I put it on the roof, I still have a big basket and spare tire above it. My current antenna provides fine service, though it goes out sometimes under short bridges and such.

What features does it have to offer? I got it because it's the only nav-traffic/XM/GPS antenna that is compatible with my headunit.

Can you disassemble the unit? I really dislike how the Garmin/XM logo isn't centered on the wire. It needs to turn 90 degrees.

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Kenwood DNX7100

Wow

bac5.2 wrote:

Can you disassemble the unit? I really dislike how the Garmin/XM logo isn't centered on the wire. It needs to turn 90 degrees.

Are you testing us?

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XM

bac5.2 wrote:

The box vs. the roof?

Picture...Big Truck

bac5.2 wrote:

I'm not sure where to mount it. If I put it on the roof, I still have a big basket and spare tire above it. My current antenna provides fine service, though it goes out sometimes under short bridges and such.

Why do you carry your tire on the roof?

All XM radios lose signal when going under a bridge or tunnel unless you're in a large metro area that has ground-based repeaters.

bac5.2 wrote:

What features does it have to offer? I got it because it's the only nav-traffic/XM/GPS antenna that is compatible with my headunit.

It offers XM radio, XM traffic nav and basic weather. Just go to the Garmin website and it'll tell you all about it.

bac5.2 wrote:

Can you disassemble the unit? I really dislike how the Garmin/XM logo isn't centered on the wire. It needs to turn 90 degrees.

Sure you can disassemble it. Might have to use a screwdriver and hammer. But I'll guarantee it won't work again! It's a sealed unit.

As far as the Garmin logo...you'll have to get with Garmin on that!

mrgreen

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... No?

bentbiker wrote:
bac5.2 wrote:

Can you disassemble the unit? I really dislike how the Garmin/XM logo isn't centered on the wire. It needs to turn 90 degrees.

Are you testing us?

...No?

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Kenwood DNX7100

Gotcha

EagleOne wrote:

Picture...Big Truck

Gotcha. A tractor. Not up to date on tractor terminology.

Quote:

Why do you carry your tire on the roof?

All XM radios lose signal when going under a bridge or tunnel unless you're in a large metro area that has ground-based repeaters.

Because the spare tire well is full of an amp, off-road recovery gear, and an air compressor. The only logical location to put it is on the roof.

I feel like my XM cuts out a little more than it should. For example, my mom's Buick has XM and it cuts out far less under the same bridges. Short overpasses and it kills it in my car. When I had Sirrius, the receiver would buffer 30 seconds of radio for brief losses in signal.

I haven't used the Kenwood yet, so I don't know. I do know that I can monitor satellites tracked and the signal from each, so I'll experiment.

Quote:

It offers XM radio, XM traffic nav and basic weather. Just go to the Garmin website and it'll tell you all about it.

I briefly leafed through the included booklet and it appears that there are a lot of options, mostly nautical with relatively detailed weather and tidal capability. I'll have to fiddle around with it.

Quote:

Sure you can disassemble it. Might have to use a screwdriver and hammer. But I'll guarantee it won't work again! It's a sealed unit.

As far as the Garmin logo...you'll have to get with Garmin on that!

mrgreen

Hmm, a brief inspection through the clear cover shows a few standoffs that have screws threaded into them. I haven't tried, and I might not try, but I was hoping that you could unscrew those screws, pull the top off and rotate it 90 degrees. I'll look into it.

Hopefully I can find a location that won't look too funny and still work well. Security is key though. The magnet on the bottom isn't too strong, so I need a flat surface to put it, which means mounting it further back... under the basket.

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Kenwood DNX7100

Magnet

bac5.2 wrote:

The magnet on the bottom isn't too strong

On the contrary. I've had mine on the truck and have traveled over 50,000 miles without it ever moving. And believe me, trucks don't ride nearly as smoothly as cars do!

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America Moves By Truck --- Streetpilot 7200 & OOIDA --- www.accutracking.com userid= poifactory password= guest; "Don't gamble; take all your savings and buy some good stock and hold it till it goes up, then sell it. If it don't go up, don't buy it."

Good to hear.

EagleOne wrote:

On the contrary. I've had mine on the truck and have traveled over 50,000 miles without it ever moving. And believe me, trucks don't ride nearly as smoothly as cars do!

Good to hear. Compared to my current antenna, the magnets is weaker and it's got significantly more mass. As long as it'll handle 90mph and bumpy off-road stuff then it's all gravy.

Still don't know where to mount it though.

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Kenwood DNX7100

xm traffic

pratzert wrote:
jamahosky wrote:

I just sit mine on the dash. I take the extra cable and tie it up so if it moved it does not have to far to go before it stops. I have not had any problem with it going anywhere because of the weight, I guess if you are in a crash that could change things.

Hi Jamahosky.

Do you subscribe to the XM NavTraffic ?

If so... what is your opinion of the Traffic service ?

I have tried it several times and fin dit pretty much useless.. not to mention EXPENSIVE.

Tim

I have the traffic, it works well depending where I am. I find that some areas do not offer traffic flow, which is a pain. I have the gtm20 cable and that works well too, but will all traffic reporting, they are not 100%. I use the gtm20 for traffic in Baltimore since it gives traffic flow. The gxm30 I use on the road in areas I know that is gives traffic flow and areas not covered by the gtm20 fm service.

GXM30

bac5.2 wrote:

What makes you say it's worthless? Do you live in an area where they offer coverage? Thankfully, I don't HAVE to subscribe to the traffic service, so if it doesn't work well, I can always cancel it.

I live outside of Washington DC and commute within DC, Baltimore, and Frederick almost exclusively. XM's headquarters was a few blocks from my old apartment. Plus, with the Kenwood, it will re-route around traffic. It's only a few bucks more a month.

I've used mine a couple of times for some real long trips from Baltimore to Florida and I would end up in jams on I95 for which there were no alerts. Or it would show an alert and indicate a 20 minute delay and it ended up onyl being a slight slowdown.

I know it's not an exact science and it relies on the human factor, but it's just too far off to make it worthwhile for me.

It's not just a "few" dollars extra per month.

It costs me $9.95/month.

I have OEM Built-in XM Radio in my Honda and I use a Garmin 2730 GPS which has the GXM30 antenna.

But XM refuses to let me receive "just" the NavTraffic on my GXM30 for $3.95/month.

It's crazy to pay for Full blown XM service on the GXM30 when I already subscribe to XM on my Car Radio.

If XM would let me get just the NavTraffic as an XM subscriber for the $3.95, I would consider it.

But not for $120/year when I only use it two or three times the entire year anyway.

Tim

They won't let you combine

They won't let you combine your car radio XM with the NAVTraffic?

For me, it would be $9.95/month for radio AND traffic as I already have XM radio. Just need to add traffic.

I'll try it out. I've got a 6 hour road trip coming up in May, so I'll give it a shot and we'll see how it goes.

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Kenwood DNX7100

I confirmed it with some of

I confirmed it with some of the Guru's at MP3Car.com

According to them, plastic won't hamper performance. I will have to try it out to see if they are right.

The unit DOES kill the performance of my dash-top compass though. Hopefully that won't be there for long though.

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Kenwood DNX7100

Well, I got it all setup and

Well, I got it all setup and it does work under the plastic. That's a relief!

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Kenwood DNX7100

Best On Top Of Dash

I have a Land Rover LR3 and when the attenna was first installed it was recessed under the dash. I lost a lot of XM signals. I moved it up to on top of the dash...just 2 inches and it improved reception at least 50 percent. I still have some signal loss but it is now acceptable.

Hocky Puck Antenna

I have the same antenna for my Garmin 396 aviation GPS. I use it in my car to receive XM radio and in the air to receive XM weather. I've stuck it on my dash and it will lose signal in the hills and valleys I drive in MD. In my airplane, it works fine in the window and never loses signal.

It seems to want to "look" about SW for satellite(s?). If I am driving east or north, it will lose the signal more easily than heading south or west. In my 4Runner, I put it just under the moon roof glass, on top of the sun shade and it almost never lost signal, but it will on the dash.

The XM antenna is a lot more sensitive to losing signal than the GPS. I guess because there is only one, or maybe two XM satellites, where the GPS has to lock onto 4 out of 24 satellites.

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The signal is also MUCH weaker.