can not recommend TomTom after lastest 800 mile trip

 

I recently drove from Maryland to Florida. While the TomTom One is an excellent device, it is crippled by the TeleAtlas maps. Luckily I had printed out Mapquest directions, which are based on NavTeq maps.

Not only did the TeleAtlas try to send me in the wrong direction, it could not recognize roads that have been there for years. The Navteq directions had no such problems.

If you are contemplating buying a GPS, go with Garmin which use Navteq maps.

Thank you,
Robert

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Maps

mtplus wrote:

If you are contemplating buying a GPS, go with Garmin which use Navteq maps.

For now, anyway..... Looks like a change may be coming....... Bummer.

Joel

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Then go with Nokia :) Robert

Then go with Nokia smile

Robert

Google maps and Google earth

mtplus wrote:

Not only did the TeleAtlas try to send me in the wrong direction, it could not recognize roads that have been there for years. The Navteq directions had no such problems.

I just noticed a little note at the bottom of Google Maps and Google Earth. Google Map says NavTeq, while Google Earth says Tele Atlas.

Now I'm really confused....

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nüvi 750 & 760

Differences due to maps or routing engines?

I am not sure how much the maps have to do with routing decisions of the GPSr. I thought the difference was how the computer in the GPSr makes its decisions for best route. The influence of the map in that decision would be limited to having the most current roads, and having the right speeds for the roads in the database.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

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Brent - DriveLuxe 51 LMT-S

It really depends

mtplus wrote:

I recently drove from Maryland to Florida. While the TomTom One is an excellent device, it is crippled by the TeleAtlas maps. Luckily I had printed out Mapquest directions, which are based on NavTeq maps.

Not only did the TeleAtlas try to send me in the wrong direction, it could not recognize roads that have been there for years. The Navteq directions had no such problems.

If you are contemplating buying a GPS, go with Garmin which use Navteq maps.

Thank you,
Robert

Could I ask you what edition is your map? Remember that TomTom did update their map frequently and In my case it is much more accurate around my city then NavTeq so it really depends.

In addition, there are two type of maps in US and I happen to know that TomTom one has the lesser one. The routing and detail in TomTom one is significantly less than the 700 series and above due the SD card capacity limit. Your map is USA_and_Canada is only around 900 MB and the North_America version is closer to 1.5 GB. Besides the POI difference, the map detail and routing are quite different, as I tested both and the route is much more accurate for the larger one. You can get the bigger map but you must use the 700 series at the TomTom website to let you buy the North_America map.

Jeff

Can not recommend TomTom

My version of maps is 650 which is 922.5 MBs. I bought the unit in August.

Are you saying that if I tell TomTom.com that I have a 700 and request to purchase an updated map, that I will get the better map?

If so, I am frustrated that TomTom would pull this type of shenanigan. As a customer I need the best info about the products that the vendor (TomTom) can supply.

Thanks,
Robert

I have TomTOm6 on my palm

I have TomTOm6 on my palm TX. So, far, I have no problem using Canada and Northwest of the US. I will be in LA soon and I will ppl know about my TOMTOM 6. So far I love mine.

I have had no problems with

I have had no problems with my Tom Tom and i travel alot with it. It 98% on the money with the directions and roads.

That is right

mtplus wrote:

My version of maps is 650 which is 922.5 MBs. I bought the unit in August.

Are you saying that if I tell TomTom.com that I have a 700 and request to purchase an updated map, that I will get the better map?

If so, I am frustrated that TomTom would pull this type of shenanigan. As a customer I need the best info about the products that the vendor (TomTom) can supply.

Thanks,
Robert

Robert,

650 is a very old map (way over a year) and there are 660 (Dec. 2006) and 675 (Apr. 2007) updates for TomTom 6 and there are newer maps for TomTom 7 series unit as well. I was shocked to see that you got the unit in August this year and had the 650 map loaded. And the most interesting part is that people claims that 650 map is a NavTeq version and 660 and 675 are TeleAtlas. smile

If your unit can support 2 GB SD card, then yes if you go to the tomtom website asking for latest map for Tomtom go 700 or 900 and it will be 675.1409 and you will see North_America map which is about 1.5 GB at the same price as the 675.1409 for the USA_And_Canada map. Any other model (except the newer 520 and 720 which have the Tomtom 7 software thus slightly enhanced map which can be modified by user) will force you to take the smaller and inferior map for the same price. mad

Jeff

Glad I got a Garmin

If TomTom is pulling these kind of things... I am glad I got a Garmin. So far, I have not had to make a choice to get a bad set of maps.
I update... and get the latest. I like that.

A friend has a TomTom I think it is a 720???
He and I compared routes about 2 weeks ago. We did the what if...
By far, Garmin was faster and the route was quicker.
He said he was putting his TomTom on ebay.

Problem with all this is that the next round of TomTom's will probably be better than Garmins.

What's a guy to do? lol

goobly gobly gook.

Google

Quote:

I just noticed a little note at the bottom of Google Maps and Google Earth. Google Map says NavTeq, while Google Earth says Tele Atlas.

Now I'm really confused....

Google use both NavTeq and TeleAtlas to search. That's why nobody can beat them.

glad I have a garmin

In july I took a trip from north TX to New Orleans,FT Walton beach, jacksonville,orlando, houston,reno nv n back to wf,tx. No maps just my c320. no probs.

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TomTom is faster

Quote:

By far, Garmin was faster and the route was quicker.

I have/used Garmin C320 & TT 510.
It's just the reverse. When missing a turn , TT re-calculates instantly. It takes the Garmin a couple a couple of blocks before waking up. Your friend's TomTom may be a ONE (weak CPU, and smaller RAM).

Good info

jeffH70 wrote:

Could I ask you what edition is your map? Remember that TomTom did update their map frequently and In my case it is much more accurate around my city then NavTeq so it really depends.

In addition, there are two type of maps in US and I happen to know that TomTom one has the lesser one. The routing and detail in TomTom one is significantly less than the 700 series and above due the SD card capacity limit. Your map is USA_and_Canada is only around 900 MB and the North_America version is closer to 1.5 GB. Besides the POI difference, the map detail and routing are quite different, as I tested both and the route is much more accurate for the larger one. You can get the bigger map but you must use the 700 series at the TomTom website to let you buy the North_America map.

Jeff

Thats good stuff to know. Right now I use TOMTOM in my wm5 phone, but I have thought about getting a regular TomTom.

I just bought a tom tom one

I just bought a tom tom one yesterday and when compared side by side with my garmin c530, it really is not better than the garmin.

It seems to me that the tom tom one is rather slow in providing the recalculation. But that is just my opinion.

Mine works fine

Used the Tom Tom Nav 6 in my Hp iPAQ rx5915 in Alaska, Florida, Ohio and Kentucky so far and all was accurate.

Cheers

mtplus wrote: If you are

mtplus wrote:

If you are contemplating buying a GPS, go with Garmin which use Navteq maps.

I am not partial to Garmin or Tomtom. I use them both.

that said, your statement is unfortunatly a bit misguided.

1) you have old maps. TomTom offers a latest map gaurantee. Hopefully you can still take advantage of this. Contact TomTom

2) NavTeq and TeleAtles are now more or less the same. Depending on your geographic area, there will be slight differences. At one point, a few years ago, TeleAtlas was indeed inferior. But then they changed their infrastructure and reporting capabilities and have made great changes since. Unfortunately, the bad name they earned then still carries on in the minds of many.

3) the gps will pick among many routes. are your preferences set for fastest? avoid toll roads? include highways? so much variability that you don't report on.

the grass is always greener on the other side. I bet if you ultimately switch over to Garmin, you will find similar issues to complain about.

Navteq Maps

I heard NavTeq maps are much more accurate.

Tom Tom

Thanks for the information! We are looking at getting a GPS and I had heard that the maps on the Tom Tom weren't as good, but the sale price was getting tempting. I will have to keep looking for a Garmin.

Satellite Fixes

Before anyone can say whether a GPSr (regardless of brand) is good or bad right out of the box, that particular unit should be updated with the latest satellite data (FIX).

If the satellite data (FIX) is not current then it will take the GPSr unit longer to acquire a signal and pinpoint your location. It could be said that a GPSr is only as accurate as its latest satellite FIX.

If, after weeks of idle use, your particular GPSr fails to accurately show you where you are then it probably needs a FIX (pun intended)!

ML wink

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Why I chose Garmin

If you read the detailed GPS reviews at GPSmagazine.com, you will find that their results show Tom Tom consistently has the poorest routing engine performance. Their results have Garmin as best, Magellan comes in second and Tom Tom is last.

Go to the link below, select a model they reviewed, then choose "routing engine preformance" form the contests list for that review.

http://www.gpsmagazine.com/reviews.php

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Garmin Nuvi 750 & c530 with RT's vol. mod., Vulcan Nomad

Just wanted to remind everyone about Navigon

gymkep wrote:

If you read the detailed GPS reviews at GPSmagazine.com, you will find that their results show Tom Tom consistently has the poorest routing engine performance. Their results have Garmin as best, Magellan comes in second and Tom Tom is last.

Go to the link below, select a model they reviewed, then choose "routing engine preformance" form the contests list for that review.

http://www.gpsmagazine.com/reviews.php

I purchased a Navigon 1200t from Staples black Friday for $106.00--------------Guess what maps it uses?

NAVTEQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Granted it isn't a Garmin 660 or a Tom Tom 920 But it gets the job done with text to speech included!

Just wanted to point it out to all your readers!
No I don't work for Navigon----but side by side to the TT LE----Guess whose mapping was much more accurate?

NAVIGON!

Thanks for reading!

Navigon 2100T

bopen wrote:

I purchased a Navigon 1200t from Staples black Friday for $106.00--------------Guess what maps it uses?

NAVTEQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Granted it isn't a Garmin 660 or a Tom Tom 920 But it gets the job done with text to speech included!

Just wanted to point it out to all your readers!
No I don't work for Navigon----but side by side to the TT LE----Guess whose mapping was much more accurate?

NAVIGON!

Thanks for reading!

I too purchased navigon 2100 w/ free traffic for life from staples

touch screen response is slow (even though it uses 400 mhz samsung cpu) and entering data is really hard w/ tiny virtual keyboard. poi search is confusing.

Now onto some pros - as bopen noted maps are up-to-date, i might even add better than new garmin 2008 maps. free traffic for life!!! that too for < $100 can't be beat and eye-candy interface.

so now i am in a conundrum to live with it flaws or to get solid garmin...

TomTom1

Robert I have used the tomtom 700 go for the last 2 or 3 yrs and was not impressed with the map program on it, I recently purchased the tomtom 1 XL with the map version 710.1575 and I am impressed with the accuracy and ease of use also it has the capability of correcting the map errors and sharing with others with a share down load for the first year.If you will Download tomtom home program I would bet that your tomtom one will be able to update to the 710.1575 map, I think you will like the new maps.

Walt

Unfortunately,

Robert had the version 6 software and older map. The version 6 software can not use the version 7 map so it is not an option for him....

Jeff

gpsmagazine - garmin biased

gymkep wrote:

If you read the detailed GPS reviews at GPSmagazine.com...Their results have Garmin as best

This web site is Garmin biased. So take what they say with a grain of salt.

Other websites (eg. [url=http://www.gpsreview.net]www.gpsreview.net[/url]) offer more balanced views on different GPS devices.

Just saying...don't base opinions on just ONE site b/c "research" is always slightly biased.

I am always skeptical of

I am always skeptical of people who like
to post how much better their item is than
another one. Espeically when they go out
of their way to post on a forum that isn't
the forum of their unit. I have a Tomtom
one LE with v 7.10 maps and I do a lot of
traveling and have had no problems with my
maps. It even has a recently completed major
highway next to me on it. I love that I can
add POI's and download other POI's, and finally
I haven't felt the need whatsoever to read
and/or post on a Garmin forum.

Uh...

joewee wrote:

I haven't felt the need whatsoever to read and/or post on a Garmin forum.

Uh, news flash... Ya just did.

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Newest to oldest... Nüvi 660, Street Pilot 2720, Magellan SporTrak Pro, Lowrance Global Map 100

Uh...newsflash...the top of

Uh...newsflash...the top of the
forum reads tomtom talk!
I guess your Garmin got you
lost into the wrong forum.
smile

This whole forum is

This whole forum is primarily dedicated to Garmin, therefore, yes... He did post on a GARMIN forum by starting a Tom Tom discussion.

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Newest to oldest... Nüvi 660, Street Pilot 2720, Magellan SporTrak Pro, Lowrance Global Map 100

Okay..

buffettck wrote:

This whole forum is primarily dedicated to Garmin, therefore, yes... He did post on a GARMIN forum by starting a Tom Tom discussion.

Looks like it is dedicated to many different
brands to me. But whatever.

This site supports all makes

This site supports all makes and models of GPS. A large amount of the traffic that finds their way to our site comes from the Garmin site.

Miss Poi

There's a Tom Tom forum as well

tomtomforums.com to be exact! So, what you can't/don't find here at the POI Factory you'll probably find over there! wink

ML

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Brand flaming

Brand flaming is always going to exist... Just remember, things will come around in circle, such as Garmin use better map etc. As far as I can tell, it will be TeleAtalas soon for Garmin. TomTom also uses Navteq maps in U.S. Their rider model and their 650 maps are Navteq...

Jeff

thanks Mike. I do have that

thanks Mike. I do have that in my
favorites. Thanks for your
contributions to this forum.

Garmin and Navteq

jeffH70 wrote:

Brand flaming is always going to exist... Just remember, things will come around in circle, such as Garmin use better map etc. As far as I can tell, it will be TeleAtalas soon for Garmin. TomTom also uses Navteq maps in U.S. Their rider model and their 650 maps are Navteq...

Jeff

According to the following link Garmin will be using Navteq maps through to 2015 with an option to add 4 years.

www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/stories/2007/11/12/daily33.ht...

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Garmin Nüvi 855 & 760, iPhone, Magellan RM860T

Interesting...

So Garmin finally gave up bidding on TeleAtlas... As long as they lock up price, it shouldn't matter to them as Navteq is a Chicago company in US and Nokia can't just cut off the supply link, may be price hike...

Jeff

I Do Recommend TomTom

mtplus wrote:

I recently drove from Maryland to Florida. While the TomTom One is an excellent device, it is crippled by the TeleAtlas maps. Luckily I had printed out Mapquest directions, which are based on NavTeq maps.

Not only did the TeleAtlas try to send me in the wrong direction, it could not recognize roads that have been there for years. The Navteq directions had no such problems.

If you are contemplating buying a GPS, go with Garmin which use Navteq maps.

I have used my TomTOM910 now for about a year, in the United States, Germany and Italy. The only time that I get weird instructions is when I ask for the shortest route not the fastest. My instructions are usually exactly the same as mapquest over several comparisons. Two intersections near my home upgraded 18months to 2 years ago are not in the database, but the same thing exists on mapquest.

How can you possibly recommend the competition when you own the TomTom without also owning the Garmin? I can tell you that the TomTom 910 is a great unit and it uses the same maps as the other TomToms.

The 910 is not perfect but the other manufacturers are likely no better. Sometimes I have trouble with the last 300 yards finding something. This is a VAST HUGE improvement from maps and asking questions to get help. We even used my TomTom to find a store to buy my dad a TomTom One in Cincinnatti.

You would not believe how much help this is in a foreign country where you have difficulty with the language.

Stunned

That anyone would write that the Navigon's have accurate routing, unless you've only had it a few days and haven't used it much. I have a Navigon 2100T bought on BF from Staples, and the routing is very, very poor.

For example, routing from San Francisco to Alameda, the Navigon wanted me to exit to the left on Treasure Island! Then it showed a route driving under the bridge and entering the bridge again on the right-hand side going in exactly the same direction as before the exit. Completely illogical.

There are many users on GPSPassion reporting their routing errors, and threads dedicated to editing the XML file to try and fix the routing issues. Navigon has promised a software update for January which we all hope fixes these errors.

I had given my TomTom One away when I got the Navigon 2100, but this past Friday I went to BestBuy and bought the TomTom One 3rd Edition. I will be using TomTom unless (or until) Navigon fixes the routing issues.

incorrect

mtplus wrote:

I recently drove from Maryland to Florida. While the TomTom One is an excellent device, it is crippled by the TeleAtlas maps. Luckily I had printed out Mapquest directions, which are based on NavTeq maps.

Not only did the TeleAtlas try to send me in the wrong direction, it could not recognize roads that have been there for years. The Navteq directions had no such problems.

If you are contemplating buying a GPS, go with Garmin which use Navteq maps.

Thank you,
Robert

You're mistaken about the mapquest maps. They are based on navteq and/or teleatlas. It says so on the copyright section of each map. Plus, navteq maps are not necessarily better for the US. Only gpsmagazine, a garmin biased site, pushes navteq while other sites say there's no difference, YMMV, or teleatlas is better. Don't believe the hype about Garmin or NAVTEQ. TomTom and TeleAtlas is just as good or better, YMMV.

Both have flaws

Ducati wrote:

You're mistaken about the mapquest maps. They are based on navteq and/or teleatlas. It says so on the copyright section of each map. Plus, navteq maps are not necessarily better for the US. Only gpsmagazine, a garmin biased site, pushes navteq while other sites say there's no difference, YMMV, or teleatlas is better. Don't believe the hype about Garmin or NAVTEQ. TomTom and TeleAtlas is just as good or better, YMMV.

To your point about MapQuest, add Google Maps, Google Earth, and Yahoo Maps to that. They all use either NavTeq, Tele Atlas, or a combination. I've found Yahoo Maps to be the most consistantly accurate, but then they are using both sources. That said, where Navteq falls short, mostly in POIs, Tele Atlas seems to be better. And vise/versa. Most Tom Tom owners are pretty happy, and most Garmin owners are pretty happy.

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Chuck - Nuvi 200, Nuvi 255W

TOMTOM and Maps

I have a tomtom one for about a year now. The latest 7.10 maps North America 2gb for the 720. The 1 gb sd card has been replaced with 2gb. The maps are not perfect, but it is better that a paper atlas. My dislikes are:

1)the fact that in a known three hour trip, tomtom says it will take four hours.
2)route me on freeways when other routes are better.

I have learned to use alternate routes, tyre with google maps and google earth to minimize the errors.

.

It's important to remember that the unit is not programmed to give you the "best" route.

Based upon the map data on the unit and the routing preferences and avoidances you have selected on your unit, it attempts to perform a mathematical solution in accordance with those parameters.

Fastest is usually the best choice for most people and most situations, but it may not always be.

The first thing to check is to see what if any avoidances you have set on your unit. "Avoid tolls" seems to be one that often gives people problems.

Also, the unit doesn't know anything about traffic (unless using a traffic receiver) or traffic lights. So, it won't take these into consideration.

Also, I like to advise people to think of the GPS unit as a co-pilot not an autopilot. And I usually recommend not to rely on a single source/tool/medium for navigation particularly in areas with which you are not familiar. Always have a back up plan. The back up plan can be in the form of internet routing, paper maps, or local knowledge. If you know a better way, take it. The unit will catch up. And, perhaps most importantly, don't forget to use that thing between your ears. : )

I like Tomtom

After I tried Tomtom 910 and 510, I start to like Tomtom. Very stron signals.

I have never had a problem

I have never had a problem with my C550 ever losing a signal. Garmin has a very strong signal.

can not recommend TomTom after lastest 800 mile trip

Motorcycle Mama wrote:

It's important to remember that the unit is not programmed to give you the "best" route.

Based upon the map data on the unit and the routing preferences and avoidances you have selected on your unit, it attempts to perform a mathematical solution in accordance with those parameters.

Fastest is usually the best choice for most people and most situations, but it may not always be.

The first thing to check is to see what if any avoidances you have set on your unit. "Avoid tolls" seems to be one that often gives people problems.

Also, the unit doesn't know anything about traffic (unless using a traffic receiver) or traffic lights. So, it won't take these into consideration.

Also, I like to advise people to think of the GPS unit as a co-pilot not an autopilot. And I usually recommend not to rely on a single source/tool/medium for navigation particularly in areas with which you are not familiar. Always have a back up plan. The back up plan can be in the form of internet routing, paper maps, or local knowledge. If you know a better way, take it. The unit will catch up. And, perhaps most importantly, don't forget to use that thing between your ears. : )

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Different GPS - Same Problem with TeleAtlas

I had a Pioneer Avic-D1 (in dash) GPS. A very nice piece of hardware, but it too was crippled with TeleAtlas.

I found many roads were non-routable, addresses were almost always on the wrong side of the road, etc. I didn't have any routing problems though (but the routes did stick to only routable roads).

The address problem was fixed with a map update, but that update made all side roads in my city non routable.

I suspect TeleAtlas may be nice is some areas of the US/Canada and real garbage in other parts of the country. NavTeq seems to be for the most part good and pretty consistent everywhere (for North America anyway).

As mentioned, you may have had some avoidances turned on that modified your route. Maps can be modified, maybe with the next TelaAtlas map update, things will get fixed up.

Tom Tom Maps

The saleslady told me that Tom Tom uses the same map data that Google Maps use. There are also updates every time I sync my Tom Tom. This seems better than waiting for an entire year.
Jen

Makes good reading

For more detailed information on both NAVTEQ and Tele Atlas, check out "NAVTEQ vs. Tele Atlas, Which one is Better?

http://www.gpsmagazine.com/2006/07/navteq_vs_teleatlas_which...

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nüvi 3590LMT "always backup your files"

NAVTEQ vs Tele Atlas

I made this comment in an earlier post, but I think TomTom really made a good strategic move purchasing Tele Atlas.

While the reviews may not favor that map at this time, TT will have the advantage of many thousand people verifying and uploading real time map changes with their new Mapshare.

So in theory, the day the pavement is put down, someone can upload the new road and have it in the system!

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