What Happened? Windows 10 Is Gone? New Windows 11

I guess I don't agree with you. I believe that hardware makers shouldn't be expected to support their products indefinitely. How do you propose they keep their hardware products current? And the same question about the software support. How long do software providers keep updating their products to support old hardware? There's no payback for them to do that.

Phil

downloaded and ran ms doesitworkwithwindows11_WindowsPCHealthCheckSetup

Brand new, all bells and whistles $2200 is not

cheap walmart acer bought to be the "i don't care if I lose it in the airport" $299 is

Yes, TPM 2.0 is the key. Lots of machines could be missing this component and will not get Windows 11 upgrade. I checked my Sony laptop which is 10 years old and running Windows 10 will not get Windows 11 upgrade. Most of the business laptops already come with TPM but consumer laptops may not. You need TPM for encryption purposes. I think their main focus is the security.

Yes, TPM 2.0 is the key. Lots of machines could be missing this component and will not get Windows 11 upgrade. I checked my Sony laptop which is 10 years old and running Windows 10 will not get Windows 11 upgrade. Most of the business laptops already come with TPM but consumer laptops may not. You need TPM for encryption purposes. I think their main focus is the security.

Yes, TPM 2.0 is the key. Lots of machines could be missing this component and will not get Windows 11 upgrade. I checked my Sony laptop which is 10 years old and running Windows 10 will not get Windows 11 upgrade. Most of the business laptops already come with TPM but consumer laptops may not. You need TPM for encryption purposes. I think their main focus is the security.

I am sorry for posting same message three times. Not sure how it happened. I cannot even delete messages.

The moderator will see it and delete the multiple posts.

dobs108

Some info from Wikipedia.

TPM implementations

Starting in 2006, many new laptops have been sold with a built-in TPM chip. In the future, this concept could be co-located on an existing motherboard chip in computers, or any other device where the TPM facilities could be employed, such as a cellphone. On a PC, either the LPC bus or the SPI bus is used to connect to the TPM chip.

The Trusted Computing Group (TCG) has certified TPM chips manufactured by Infineon Technologies, Nuvoton, and STMicroelectronics,[20] having assigned TPM vendor IDs to Advanced Micro Devices, Atmel, Broadcom, IBM, Infineon, Intel, Lenovo, National Semiconductor, Nationz Technologies, Nuvoton, Qualcomm, Rockchip, Standard Microsystems Corporation, STMicroelectronics, Samsung, Sinosun, Texas Instruments, and Winbond.[21]

There are five different types of TPM 2.0 implementations (listed in order from most to least secure): More info https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module

in order to run windows 11 you have to have a tmp 2.0 chip in your computer, i have 4 computers and none of them will load windows 11 as they do not have the chip. windows 10 will be supported untill 2025. they either go without any updates or support or buy new computer for windows till next time they pull this shit

unless you have a brand neww computer you may get a rude shock, win 11 looks for a tmp 2.0 chip if it is not found then you can not upgrade to windows 11.

I can not run win11 on any of my computers so when it becomes law then I am going to have to use win10 without suppost or use linex.

Anything that they don't charge you for means you are the product. Nothing is free, the 'you' product is quite profitable for them.

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GOOD NEWS! MacBook Pro won't run Windows 11!

It seems from what I read that if you have a newer PC that shows itself not to be ready for Windows 11 due to lack of TPM 2.0 that it may be worth checking online or looking at your motherboard for a TPM socket. If present, it may be possible to buy and install/configure the module allowing Win 11.

I may also have read that when the PC Health program reports a PC not to be ready for Win 11 that Win 11 could still be installed even though Microsoft suggests otherwise. I don't know if this would apply to a missing TPM 2.0 or higher.

Well that is disappointing. My 5 year old ACER desktop is not compatible with Windows 11. My CPU is not on the compatible CPU list. Intel Core I7-7700. It has the TPM 2.0 installed and functioning in the BIOS.

I found my TPM on Ebay for $401.56:

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/133799178744?hash=item1f270d71f8:g:K...

Yeah be careful about paying a lot for a TPM chip which should sell for $10 - $20, because you could buy it and still not qualify for Windows 11.

At first articles about the upgrade were saying you had to have TPM 1.2+. Now Microsoft is saying it's gotta be TPM 2.0:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibility/windo...

And even then, only CPUs that are fairly recent and powerful are going to qualify. I have one PC that has TPM 2.0 enabled and a new enough CPU to qualify for the upgrade. Another one has TPM 2.0 enabled but a CPU that is not powerful and new enough. And another one fails both the TPM and CPU tests and only offers TPM 1.2, even though it's only five years old.

If you're sure you pass the CPU test and your motherboard supports TPM 2.0, but you need a TPM 2.0 chip to enable it, still be careful. Only TPM 2.0 modules work in TPM 2.0 sockets, and only TPM 1.2 modules work in TPM 1.2 sockets. Even if the pin count is right, there is no backwards or cross-compatibility with different versions of TPM as there are on many USB connections. There is no sense ordering a TPM 1.2 just to be able to upgrade, or ordering a TPM 2.0 module if you don't have a TPM 2.0 socket to put it in AND pass the CPU test, at least at this writing. You don't necessarily need a TPM module with your motherboard's brand name, but the TPM module does have to match the pin configuration as well as the TPM version on your motherboard to fit and work at all.

Maybe Microsoft will rethink these two requirements, because they would keep most PCs from being upgraded, and Microsoft generally wants PCs upgraded to their newest OS. It's one thing if their requirements knock out 12-year old PCs. But if they're knocking out fairly new ones, I'm not sure that's in their interest.

I see ways already showing up on internet to bypass the TPM requirement. One example https://www.wpxbox.com/bypass-tpm-requirement-windows-11-ins...

Thanks for sharing this information.

Quote from article: "Here’s how you can bypass the TPM 2.0 requirement while installing a fresh copy of Windows 11 on your PC. Fresh installation seems to work, but we doubt the upgrade will work unless someone can hack the check."

By 2025 I will probably have new hardware. Until then it's a no-brainer to keep W10 on my existing hardware whether it's upgradable or not.

If it isn't ENABLED, it won't appear in the device manager.
So if it isn't there, it doesn't mean it is not PRESENT.
Enabling it involves modifying your BIOS.

there will be a lot of machines that cannot upgrade running W10 for a long time. It is supported till 2025, but W10 is a good OS, so why by another computer just to have W11.
Lots of W7 machines that CAN run W10 are still sitting on W7. IMHO, that is dumb.

Unless you have some expensive hardware (like a slide scanner & flatbed scanners) which are no longer supported by the manufacturer. I did manage to get the "non-signed" drivers to work under W10, but it was a pain and they periodically need to be re-installed. Easier to to keep W7 running for scanning.
Mark

Check your Bios 1st before you buy a new PC or the mod chip.

I found mine under "Peripherals - Ftpm (I have a AMD-Gigabyte system)

You might find it almost anywhere.. some might be under Security, or even under Advance.

What does TPM do?
The main source of confusion is the TPM (Trusted Platform Module) chip, which was an uncommon hardware requirement until now. TPMs are a security component that monitors your PC for issues and can protect against potential malware and ransomware attacks.

Just search on your Favorite search engine for your Motherboard model Number and add "TPM.. It should turn up if you have the chip and wher it is in your Bios if it is there!

Good Luck!!!

If you go to your All settings in Windows 10 and type in security. Click on Windows Security settings and scroll down to Device Security and click on it. This is where you’ll find info about the security processor manufacturer and version numbers, as well as about the security processor’s status. Select Security processor details for additional info and options.

Note: If you don't see a Security processor entry on this screen then it's likely that your device doesn't have the TPM (Trusted Platform Module) hardware necessary for this feature.

On my previous post I said that my 5 year old computer is not compatible. After checking again, it is only 4 years old. That makes it worse.

According to some of the articles I have read. The requirement for cpus is a soft requirement. May be able to click trough a warning during dialog, during install.

Thanks for posting this info. Mine does not have a Security processor entry so it's too old (mfg. date 11-23-2012). There was some interesting information under the "Learn more" link on this screen.

I have a laptop and a PC, both bought within year or so of each other timewise. They are both ACER and have identical info listed for the TPM

Manufacturer Intel (INTC)
Manufacturer version 403.1.0.0
Specification version 2.0
PPI Specification version 1.3
TPM Specification sub-version 1.38 (1/8/2018)
PC client spec version 1.03

It will be free as an upgrade and support for Win10 till 2025

Windows 11

If you want to further destroy a user base...
Windows 11 is how you do it...

It's free only to people with windows 10 on their computer and upgrading to windows 11. If you build your own new computer then you have to pay for windows 11. Don't be so sure that you can update to windows 11. If your computer is older then 3 years then it is unlikely that you can upgrade at all. I have an expensive gaming computer that is 4 years old and my cpu isn't supported for the upgrade and I also don't have a tpm 2.0 module built into my computer. My 4 year old laptop does have the tmp 2.0 module built in but the CPU isn't supported. I was able to install windows 11 on that machine through the windows insider program, but it did show that my laptop didn't meet the CPU requirements but windows 11 is functioning normally. I have 4 computers in my house and not one of them meets the new requirements for windows 11.

I don't remember where I saw it, but I heard a rumor that it will be offered for free in a manner similar to the transition from Windows 7 to Windows 10.

Of course, this is not a definitive answer by any stretch of the imagination. We will probably have to wait to see what they do.

I've been seeing similar thoughts since asking my question.

Give me Windows 7!

I got it! I run Win 7 as a Virtual machine on my Mac. I only have two Delorme programs that I use it for. And both those programs are 6 years old. Street Atlas 2015, is slowly getting obsolete, as it incorrectly shows a lot of Interstate speed limits incorrectly. It still does a good job with long distance routing, and I use it to check Basecamp's routing. SA doesn't do traffic, (as doesn't Basecamp), but I used SA from it's easy beginning as a AAA product. Hard to give it up.

Topo is another animal. While I have used it for Regular road travel, it's sometimes a little behind SA's software. What doesn't change is Topo features and most back roads. I used it for years wandering around Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, and Arizona. Garmin is pretty useless once you get off the State Routes into Forest Service Roads.

I tried Win 10 for a while, but even giving it 3/4 of my MacBooks resources, (CPUs and Memory), Win 10 bogged down and stalled, a lot. Win 7 screams on my MacBook, with less than half the resources I gave Win 10. 2019 MacBook Pro with MacBook Pro (13-inch, 2019, Four Thunderbolt 3 ports), Processor 2.4 GHZ Quad core, Memory 16GB.

Stunts like this have been implemented across the industry on many computing bases for decades.

In many cases, users can upgrade to the next Operating System level ( base ) with reduced functionality which permits users / organizations the opportunity to investigate and plan for the implementation of the new hardware and software implications.

In this case, Microsoft, should be summarily taken out and horse whipped then shot!

I assumed because it took Windows so long to update my PC with the last update that my PC would be one of the ones that would not be compatable to Windows 11.
I ran the Windows 11 test on my PC and was told my computer is ready for Windows 11. Great.
Now to pull my NetBook out of mothballs and see if it is capable of using Windows 11. I only use it to look at references while painting and haven't attached it to the internet in about 3 years.
Mary

Question for you all....

A few months ago, I was given a broken W10 Laptop (HP) and fixed the Swollen battery that expanded to 3X it's thickness, cracking the chassis, Jamming a hinge, and corrupting W10 from all the power cycles that the cracked chassis caused....
It's now good, with New Battery, glued chassis, and one hinge disassembled and gears removed.... and Fresh install of W10...

This would be a good candidate for me to "PLAY" With W11!!!

Can anyone suggest a known CLEAN W11 compatibility Test Software?

Thank You!

Clean Source? Why not go to the Microsoft source links shown above?

I passed overt it. Turns out cpu isn’t compatible

I agree with the rest of your post but don't think that sentence is accurate. If you saw that somewhere and remember where, I'd appreciate a link to verify. Many people like me who build their own desktop PCs install full retail ($200) Win 10 Pro, and I'm pretty sure they're just as eligible as people buying brand-name PCs with OEM Win 10 Home (much less expensive) to upgrade to Win 11 IF they meet the hardware requirements. That's the toughest challenge. Most current PCs, certainly those more than a few years old, as you say, do not and cannot satisfy Microsoft's current list of hardware mandates for Win 11.

Maybe what you were trying to say is that if you build a PC or buy a brand-name PC with an OEM Win 10 license and want to build a new PC, you can't transfer that Win 10 license to your new PC, whether or not you upgrade to Win 11. That would be accurate. But a full retail Win 10 license can be moved to a new PC and should be able to be upgraded to Win 11 as long as the old Win 10 license is no longer used. At least that's how it's generally worked in the past. That's a main reason many people building PCs prefer full retail to OEM Windows licenses, though the former are more expensive.

Just installed the preview I had to enable the TPM before it installed so far no problems. This is on a spare pc not my main the version is 21H2 22000.51

That is correct. Both OEM and retail licenses are eligible for free upgrade to Win 11 if the hardware meets the requirements.

It took me a while way back when to become proficient with DOS and there are still times where I need to use it.

But LINUX or any other flavor of that, to me is a learning curve like learning to operate DOS again. I've tried 2-3 versions of Linux and the constant "mount this" or "unmout" that to me is a royal PIA!

I have zero desire to spend a lot of money on new hardware, just to run a 'free' OS.

The sheep will flock, however.

I have an optional offer of an update (2021-06 cumulative update)for Windows 10 20H2.
Does anyone know what this is and if I should do it? This is the first Optional update offer I have had.
Mary

Not sure which one you may have. Many quality updates for 20h2. This is the last one out https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/may-11-2021-kb5003.... Here also is the link to the Update Microsoft catalog. https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=KB500...

Looks like you are a little behind on the quality updates. The latest is 21h1. I received it on 6-20-21. See https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/kb4023057-update-f... The latest Feature update to Windows 10, version 21H1 was received on 5-27-21. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/whats-new...

My policy is to run required updates only. I have never downloaded an optional update.

However like Charles says, you are a little behind.

dobs108

Just updated a week or so ago, here is what I have

Edition Windows 10 Home
Version 21H1
Installed on ‎6/‎27/‎2020
OS build 19043.1052
Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 120.2212.2020.0