MapSource does not see new map ( SOLVED !!!!)

 

First a little information about this situation.

I bought a new laptop with a 128GB SSD. Which means I have to use an external HDD for almost all the programs I want to install. First off I needed to learn how to set up my registry so new programs will install on the external HDD instead of the C: drive.

BaseCamp and MapSource are installed on the C:/drive.

I downloaded/installed 2021.20 to the external D: drive.

I noticed that after the second 2021.20 map install BaseCamp was installed on the second HDD and the shortcut on the Desktop
was showing the new map. I created a shortcut for the BC from the second HDD and deleted the Basecamp folder from the C:/ drive Now the desktop shortcut would not work,so I brought back the deleted folder from the Recycle bin but it now does not see the map.

Now having searched the web I came across someone else with the same problem, but no solution offered to remedy.

There was a posting by our own member "SUSSAMB" who seems to have a solution for this, some way of moving MapSource to the second HDD, so if you could chime in I'd appreciate it.

TIA

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Make/model of your new laptop

Not that this is the answer to your question, but what is the make/model of the laptop? It may be very easy to upgrade the drive to something larger. SSD’s are very low in price and its been reported that they are likely to drop even more in the 4th quarter.

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John from PA

Try this:

Create a link from your 2021.2 map folder on the D: drive in C:ProgramDataGARMINMaps

SSD

You are far better off installing the programs to the C Drive. What you can do is move your Documents, Pictures, Downloads, Desktop, etc directories to the External drive.

When you go to "This PC" you can right click on each of directories, bring up the Properties. Click on Location. There you have the option to move it to the location of your choice.

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Sorry

Not sure I ever posted a way of moving MapSource or BaseCamp, but JaVaWa's program GMTK will move maps to any location so that both programs can access them correctly.

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i agree

jfossy wrote:

You are far better off installing the programs to the C Drive. What you can do is move your Documents, Pictures, Downloads, Desktop, etc directories to the External drive.

When you go to "This PC" you can right click on each of directories, bring up the Properties. Click on Location. There you have the option to move it to the location of your choice.

I agree. This is what I did with two PCs, each with an SSD C: drive and a spinning D: drive. The D: drive has Documents, Music, Pictures, and Videos.

Moving apps (programs) off the C: drive is complicated and doesn't save much space.

dobs108 smile

SWAP

John from PA wrote:

Not that this is the answer to your question, but what is the make/model of the laptop? It may be very easy to upgrade the drive to something larger. SSD’s are very low in price and its been reported that they are likely to drop even more in the 4th quarter.

It's a new DELL Inspiron and is still under warrantee !!!
In addition to that you do NOT get a OS system re-install disk with the purchase!

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Yeah, it's in a protected

Yeah, it's in a protected partition as a recovery disk. I have forgotten the exact keystrokes to boot into the Recovery Process.

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Move

sussamb wrote:

Not sure I ever posted a way of moving MapSource or BaseCamp, but JaVaWa's program GMTK will move maps to any location so that both programs can access them correctly.

Thanks for the reply. I cannot remember the exact site where i found your reply to someone else but it seems that you are a moderator on that site. If I recall your reply was something that there is a way to move the folder to the second HDD but it needs to be done a certain way so that it still works.

Neither BaseCamp nor MapSource gives me the option to install to my D:/ drive.

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No comprende?

BobHy wrote:

Create a link from your 2021.2 map folder on the D: drive in C:ProgramDataGARMINMaps

Sorry, but I do not follow your description. Please elaborate.

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Install almost always to secondary HDD in Windows.

This is what you have to do to facilitate this. If you're not comfortable mucking around the "Registry" make a backup beforehand.

In the searchbox that opens when you click the START button type "regedit" without the quotes and hit enter. Then look for:

“HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINESOFTWAREMicrosoftWindowsCurrentVersion”. And double click on “CurrentVersion”. Then on the right hand side the window will expand. Go for ProgramFilesDir from list. If your Operating System is 64 bit then there will be two entries ProgramFilesDir and ProgramFilesDir(x86)and double click each one to be able to edit the drive letter.

In there edit out the C: and substitute with D: or whatever your secondary drive letter may be.

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Recovery

phranc wrote:

Yeah, it's in a protected partition as a recovery disk. I have forgotten the exact keystrokes to boot into the Recovery Process.

Yes I know about the "Hidden" partition where a recovery OS will be.

Just recently I was trying to re-partition my older Gateway. Unfortunately the Partition Magic version I have stopped working after Windows 8. So I used EaseUS and fiddled with it until it said for the changes to take effect I'll have to reboot.
Well it never rebooted again and just sat there with a blank screen. After some time rebooting and holding down F2, F8 and F10 as well as the power button for many seconds on bootup or shutdownI managed to get into a recovery screen which I had never ever seen before. After several tries using every option I found there it finally seemed to want to go back to a Windows 10 operation which took several hours to accomplish. So somehow it found a (Automatic???) backup of Windows from some 2 months ago and used it to make it work again. But it was not the "Recovery Partition" since it showed me a June 2020 time stamp on certain files or folders.

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Here is the solution !

Totally uninstalled BaseCamp, MapSource and the 2021.20 files
using Revo Uninstaller.

Next re-installed 2021.20, BaseCamp and Mapsource
just letting them install where they wanted.

Next I followed the directions I actually found on the Garmin website after quite a bit of searching.
Those instructions follow !
Don't let the Windows Vista scare you off, Im usng Windows 10 v.2004

Now I have one more question. In the C:/Garmin/Core/Download folder is another copy of the same 2021.20 at almost 4 GB in size. Does anyone know if this can be removed? Is it there only to be used if one wants to install the 2021.20 file to another GPS???
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Moving Installed Garmin Maps to Another Location on a Windows Computer

Installing maps to the computer will allow them to be viewed in BaseCamp and other applications. In some circumstances, it is beneficial to relocate the map data to save space on the system drive.

To move the map files to an alternate location:

Windows Vista and higher:

Press the Windows key + R
Type %programdata% and press Enter
Open the Garmin folder
Open the Maps folder
Right-click the desired map to move
Click Cut
Browse to the desired alternate location
Right-click a blank area in the directory
Click Paste
Browse back to the Maps folder on the C: drive (%programdata%GarminMaps)
Right-click a blank area in the directory
Select New
Select Shortcut
Click Browse and browse to the location of the relocated map
Click Next
Click Finish

Start BaseCamp or MapSource to view the maps. The maps will be loaded from the alternate location.

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Hmmm, seems you have a point

Melaqueman wrote:
John from PA wrote:

Not that this is the answer to your question, but what is the make/model of the laptop? It may be very easy to upgrade the drive to something larger. SSD’s are very low in price and its been reported that they are likely to drop even more in the 4th quarter.

It's a new DELL Inspiron and is still under warrantee !!!
In addition to that you do NOT get a OS system re-install disk with the purchase!

You raise a good point and open a somwwhat grey area. The thread at https://www.dell.com/community/Customer-Care/Hard-Drive-Warr... discusses this exact thing and it seems as though you are correct.

I have to say, I have had Dell laptops for about 25 years, mainly becuase for much of that time Michael Dell was on the Board of the company I worked for and employee discounts were substantial. I never knew of the policy that a drive replacement could void the warranty. Having said that, any laptop I purchased for my personal use was always configured bare bones, at least with respect to RAM and storage. Dell just palin charges too much. I have to add that in those 25 years I’ve only had one issue and that was related to some encryption software, not the Dell hardware.

Your Dell Inspiron likely has a model number similar to xx-xxxx. If you can get me that info I can point you to the service manual So once that warranty expires, you can upgrade things. It usually is very easy to accomplish; my current Dell took less than a 1/2 hour active work to go from a 256GB drive to a 500GB drive and bump the RAM from 8GB to 16GB. To clone the original drive took about 2 hours but that didn't;t involve active time. When I was done, I placed the original drive in an enclosure ($15 item) and use it for additional external storage.

One last thing, RAM and SSD prices are anticipated to drop drastically in the 4th quarter of 2020.

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John from PA

Melaqueman

Melaqueman, rather than use the technique you describe the program GMTK that I referenced earlier will move the maps for you.

Your question about the maps in CoreServiceDownloads, they can be safely deleted, the files are downloaded initially to create the files etc that BaseCamp and your device uses, once that's done you can remove them.

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Symbolic Link

Sounds almost like a symlink, but the process for creating the symlink is a bit different. Used symlinks for some stuff at work. Once setup they seem to work flawlessly.
Mark

Thanks

John from PA wrote:

You raise a good point and open a somwwhat grey area. The thread at https://www.dell.com/community/Customer-Care/Hard-Drive-Warr... discusses this exact thing and it seems as though you are correct.

Your DELL link gave me a lot of help. I was able to download a PDF service manual and a number of updates. I was also able to create a OS recovery USB which I assume would/should also work if a brand new SSD were installed.I also found out I can bump my DDR 4 memory from 8 GB up to a total of 32 GB and changing the SSD is apparently quite easy. As per DELL my warrantee is good until July 2021.

Thx

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Thx

sussamb wrote:

Melaqueman, rather than use the technique you describe the program GMTK that I referenced earlier will move the maps for you.

Your question about the maps in CoreServiceDownloads, they can be safely deleted, the files are downloaded initially to create the files etc that BaseCamp and your device uses, once that's done you can remove them.

The process I used as described earlier did not involve downloading and installing a new program. All it involved was a few copy and paste keystrokes.

I have deleted the maps in the CoreService downloads and BC and MS work A1 still.

But thanks in any case.

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Yep

GMTK does way more than move maps though. It and JaVaWa's Device Manager are extremely useful programs. Wouldn't be without them smile

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...the recovery USB

Melaqueman wrote:

Your DELL link gave me a lot of help. I was able to download a PDF service manual and a number of updates. I was also able to create a OS recovery USB which I assume would/should also work if a brand new SSD were installed.I also found out I can bump my DDR 4 memory from 8 GB up to a total of 32 GB and changing the SSD is apparently quite easy. As per DELL my warrantee is good until July 2021.

Thx

The OS recovery USB that you made would only restore the operating system and only to the extent of when the recovery image was generated. It will not restore anything else that may exist on your PC, If you ever want to increase the size of your existing SSD, you would be best to get a USB enclosure for the existing drive (typically around $15). You would put your new drive (of the same type) into the enclosure and then clone the existing drive to the new drive. Then you simply remove the existing drive and replace it with the newly cloned and larger drive. You can then place the old drive into the enclosure until you throughly wring out the new drive. I do this as part of my business and rarely have issues, the only one I remember is a printer didn’t work but when I reloaded the driver it worked fine.

Should you decide to upgrade the drive, I highly recommend an appropriate drive made by Samsung. It comes with the cloning software (Samsung Magician) which is very easy to use.

For memory upgrades I suggest Crucial and buy direct from them, not Amazon. The price may differ by only a few bucks, but you know it is genuine. With regard to memory, with an SSD there is little reason to go to 32GB unless you are into gaming or post processing of photographic images. 16GB is the sweet spot. My Dell has 16GB and a utility I run in the tray area always says I use about 6GB of the 16GB so plenty to spare.

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John from PA

https://www.javawa.nl/gmtk_en

https://www.javawa.nl/gmtk_en.html

One can create a full system image using Macrium Reflect - free for home users.

https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

Click the blue home use icon to download. No email addr necessary.

This will need to be installed, then you can generate a bootable media (iso or usb) to boot from. Once booted, this creates a full system snapshot outside of windows. Includes the OS, installed software and any user data. You can specify full disks or partitions to image.

My configs are usually a bit more complicated -

Physical SSD - OS
Mechanical HD - Data

Once configured, the OS drive doesn't change much, so that gets backed up less often.

100% correct, a full SYSTEM image, but not much more

zx1100e1 wrote:

https://www.javawa.nl/gmtk_en.html

One can create a full system image using Macrium Reflect - free for home users.

https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

Click the blue home use icon to download. No email addr necessary.

This will need to be installed, then you can generate a bootable media (iso or usb) to boot from. Once booted, this creates a full system snapshot outside of windows. Includes the OS, installed software and any user data. You can specify full disks or partitions to image.

The “free” Macrium does not back up everything, only the OS. Go to the link provided and scroll down to the provided table that compares features and look specifically at the “free” edition capabilities. You have to scroll down quite a bit to find what it won’t do.

When the time to upgrade the SSD, most of the better brands of drives included free cloning software, sometimes only with a 1-year license. Sandisk includes Acronis True Image, another good cloning package. I’m not sure who might include Macrium, perhaps Crucial?

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John from PA

Are you referring to the

Are you referring to the backup files and folders option? If so, that means back up individual, selected files and folders, as opposed to making an image of the entire disk.

The free version does images, not individual files/folders. The image is of the whole disk or partition. This is not as granular as backing up selected files, it does make recovery easier by restoring the whole disk (or partition). This is exactly what's needed when cloning a disk.

I have acronis backup and restore (more advanced version of true image). I'm old school, prefer to do all imaging outside of the OS.

I just had a new tablet I tried acronis bootable media on, wouldn't boot. Something about video drivers. Ended up using macrium. The tablet was a hp envy x360. Probably too new to have drivers for the bootable media.